超级军网阿三的看法：中国报纸说其喷气战机(J15)优于俄罗斯战斗 ...
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China’s new fighter aircraft J-15 is not a copy of the Russian Su-33 and is in fact superior to it, a state-run Chinese daily said Thursday.
中国的国营报纸周四说:中国的J-15舰载机并没有抄袭俄罗斯的SU-33,实际上J-15要优于SU-33.
On Nov 25, China’s carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet successfully underwent a series of tests on the Liaoning, China’s first aircraft carrier. People’s Daily said the J-15 is equipped with two high-power engines and a brand-new system of high lift device, takeoff and landing device and arrester hook.
在11月25日,中国的J-15舰载喷气式战机在其首艘航空母舰辽宁号上成功的进行了一些列的测试,人民日报说:J-15配备有两个大功率发动机全新的增升装置系统,起飞和着陆装置以及停机钩.
(译注:增升装置,机翼上用以改善气流状况以增加升力的装置.目前使用较广泛增升装置有前缘缝翼，后缘襟翼、前缘襟翼等.)
Its wing can be folded up to both maintain the excellent combat capability and meet the special requirement of landing on the Liaoning. Featuring large combat radius, excellent maneuvering performance and high bombs carrying capacity, the J-15 has a fighting capability of full sea and full airspace.
它的机翼可以折叠起来以保持良好的作战能力同时满足在辽宁号上降落的特殊要求.其具作战半径大,良好的机动性,可以装载较多的武器弹药的特点.J-15具有全方位的海空作战能力.
The Russian media guessed that the J-15 is a copy of Russian Su-33 carrier-borne fighter jet because its appearance is similar to Su-33.
俄罗斯媒体猜测J-15是仿造的俄罗斯SU-33舰载战斗机,因为其外观和SU-33非常相似.
Geng Yansheng, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense of China, was quoted as saying that many weapons have the same design principle and some command and protection methods are also similar. “Therefore, it at least is non-professional to conclude that China copied the aircraft carrier technology of other countries only by simply comparison.”
中国国防部发言人耿雁生说:"许多武器具有相同的设计原则指挥和防护方法也不尽相同,因此许多非专业人士只是通过简单的比较便认为中国复制了其他国家的航母技术."
The state-run daily then cited areas in which it says the Chinese fighter is ahead of the Russian jet.
国营的报纸其后列举了在哪些领域中国的战机领先俄罗斯战机.
First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.
首先,J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的航空电子设备.su-33装备的是老式的ARINC 429单向低速数据总线离散系统.而J-15采用的是双向数据总线的联合航空电子系统.
TS-100, the Su-33′s fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15′s fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second, said the media report.
The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.
The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight.
媒体报道说:su-33的火控计算机TS-100,其运算速度只有每秒170,000次.而J-15的火控计算机运算速度估计在每秒百万次以上.
J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的雷达系统.由于其落后的航电系统,su-33只能作为拦截机,而不能进行空对地的精确打击.
J-15采用的改良生产技术和机体材料,因此机体具有更高的强度和更轻的重量.
Finally, the J-15 is powered by Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33′s engine.
“Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States’ F-18 and France’s Rafale,” the daily concluded.
最后,J-15装备的是太行涡扇发动机(WS-10),比su-33的发动机更为强劲.人民日报总结道:"总体而言,J-15要比su-33更为优秀.可以媲美其他世界级的舰载机,例如美国的F-18,和法国的阵风."
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Today 12:58 AM jhungary 地区:Lund, Sweden(瑞典,隆德)
When you cannot see the similiarity between Su-33 and J-15, you would also be thinking they are better than F-18 or Rafale, as you were blind, how can you see the different
当你无法看到J-15与su-33之间的相似之处时,你也可以认为它比F-18或者阵风更好.你瞎了双眼,怎么能看出他们之间的不同之处？？
Today 01:09 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
comon...thats a chinese daily...ppl need fun aftrall
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
Today 01:18 AM 1ndy 地区:29.87°N 77.88°E
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
绝望的中国人正非常努力证明它并不是抄袭的su-33.
Today 01:20 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by 1ndy
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
well the sun rises from the west...
回复1ndy :
除非太阳从西边升起来....
Today 01:28 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
copy or not all that matters is their capability...i wonder weather are they superior to mki????nybody care to help me??
抄袭或者不是并不重要,重要的是他们的能力....我怀疑是不是他们的天气优于mki？？有人可以帮助我么？？
Today 01:34 AM even7seven 地区：UK（英国）
No one will know if the Chinese claims are accurate or not until they are tested in a real conflict scenario. I have no reason not to believe the Chinese, but like many military followers, I will reserve judgement on them until they have been used in anger. Not that I want China to go to war with anyone though.
没有人知道中国说法是否准确的,除非他们在一场真正的冲突之中进行测试.我没有理由不相信中国人,但像很多军事爱好者一样，我将保留对它们的看法,直到它们被用于冲突之中.但是我并不希望中国和任何人打仗.
Today 01:35 AM ChinaToday 地区:uk(英国)
Absolutely no doubt about is it a more superior than the russia antique fighter, apart from internal politics china daily is pretty accurate in all their reporting
它当然比俄罗斯的古董战机更为优秀,这是毫无疑问的.在所有的报道中,除了内部政治中国报纸可以说是相当准确的.
Today 08:23 AM shree835 地区:Bangalore(印度,班加罗尔)
A good example of "CHORI AUR SINAJORI".
一个最好的例子是:"CHORI AUR SINAJORI"
Today 08:58 AM Beast 地区：Australia（澳大利亚）
Our Indian friend are desperate to downplay our carrier fleet capabilites. I can't understand yr feeling since you got a broken carrier and lagging behind. If it happen to CV liaoning. We all will feel the same. I can feel the Indian pain. Poor thing :(
我们的印度朋友正极力贬低我们航母舰队的能力,当你得到一个破旧落后的船体就像辽宁号会怎么样.我们都会有相同的感觉,我能感到印度的痛苦.可怜的人啊..
Today 10:21 AM rcrmj 地区: Wenzhou(中国,温州)
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
即使无能的印度人也可以将LCA称为先进的战机,那为什么我们就不能夸耀一下J-15？？
Today 10:33 AM danger007 地区：india（印度）
Hahaha ...... chinese..... i like their spirit after looking at the casino... Russian tech is well known for all... but chinese are still mysterious... No body knows how they are developed j-15 or j- > >.... it might be smuggled tech or taking russians help secretly..
哈哈哈。。。。中国人。。。我喜欢他们的娱乐精神....俄罗斯的技术是所有人众所周知的...但中国至今为止还是神秘的....没有人知道他们是怎么研发J-15或者J-XX的....它们可能是窃取而来的技术或者俄罗斯暗中帮助的结果.
Today 10:41 AM veekysingh 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by rcrmj
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
we never claim tejas is superior then f-16 , but you saying your cheap copy is better then su-33
回复 rcrmj:
我们从来没有声称光辉优于F-16,但是你却说你们廉价复制的战机比su-33更好.
Today 10:53 AM Cherokee 地区:Pune(印度,浦那)
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
那为什么他们仍然在使用俄罗斯的劣质发动机？？噢,等一下,还是让我们的中国朋友流着眼泪来解释这个问题吧.
Today 11:15 AM faithfulguy 地区: US(美国)
Originally Posted by Cherokee
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
回复Cherokee :
这是因为中国一直在加快发动机的研发工作,但是J-15是不是使用的中国国产发动机呢？？
Today 11:22 AM veekysingh 地区： india（印度）
Originally Posted by faithfulguy
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
really?
回复faithfulguy ：
真的？
Today 12:14 PM Black Widow 地区：India（印度）
CHinese Daily == Communists Propaganda..
What do you expect govt mouthpiece to speak???
人民日报=GCD的宣传
你们怎么能相信政府喉舌所说的话？？本贴论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=116996&extra=page%3D1%26filter%3Dauthor%26orderby%3Ddateline%26orderby%3Ddateline
China’s new fighter aircraft J-15 is not a copy of the Russian Su-33 and is in fact superior to it, a state-run Chinese daily said Thursday.
中国的国营报纸周四说:中国的J-15舰载机并没有抄袭俄罗斯的SU-33,实际上J-15要优于SU-33.
On Nov 25, China’s carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet successfully underwent a series of tests on the Liaoning, China’s first aircraft carrier. People’s Daily said the J-15 is equipped with two high-power engines and a brand-new system of high lift device, takeoff and landing device and arrester hook.
在11月25日,中国的J-15舰载喷气式战机在其首艘航空母舰辽宁号上成功的进行了一些列的测试,人民日报说:J-15配备有两个大功率发动机全新的增升装置系统,起飞和着陆装置以及停机钩.
(译注:增升装置,机翼上用以改善气流状况以增加升力的装置.目前使用较广泛增升装置有前缘缝翼，后缘襟翼、前缘襟翼等.)
Its wing can be folded up to both maintain the excellent combat capability and meet the special requirement of landing on the Liaoning. Featuring large combat radius, excellent maneuvering performance and high bombs carrying capacity, the J-15 has a fighting capability of full sea and full airspace.
它的机翼可以折叠起来以保持良好的作战能力同时满足在辽宁号上降落的特殊要求.其具作战半径大,良好的机动性,可以装载较多的武器弹药的特点.J-15具有全方位的海空作战能力.
The Russian media guessed that the J-15 is a copy of Russian Su-33 carrier-borne fighter jet because its appearance is similar to Su-33.
俄罗斯媒体猜测J-15是仿造的俄罗斯SU-33舰载战斗机,因为其外观和SU-33非常相似.
Geng Yansheng, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense of China, was quoted as saying that many weapons have the same design principle and some command and protection methods are also similar. “Therefore, it at least is non-professional to conclude that China copied the aircraft carrier technology of other countries only by simply comparison.”
中国国防部发言人耿雁生说:"许多武器具有相同的设计原则指挥和防护方法也不尽相同,因此许多非专业人士只是通过简单的比较便认为中国复制了其他国家的航母技术."
The state-run daily then cited areas in which it says the Chinese fighter is ahead of the Russian jet.
国营的报纸其后列举了在哪些领域中国的战机领先俄罗斯战机.
First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.
首先,J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的航空电子设备.su-33装备的是老式的ARINC 429单向低速数据总线离散系统.而J-15采用的是双向数据总线的联合航空电子系统.
TS-100, the Su-33′s fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15′s fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second, said the media report.
The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.
The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight.
媒体报道说:su-33的火控计算机TS-100,其运算速度只有每秒170,000次.而J-15的火控计算机运算速度估计在每秒百万次以上.
J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的雷达系统.由于其落后的航电系统,su-33只能作为拦截机,而不能进行空对地的精确打击.
J-15采用的改良生产技术和机体材料,因此机体具有更高的强度和更轻的重量.
Finally, the J-15 is powered by Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33′s engine.
“Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States’ F-18 and France’s Rafale,” the daily concluded.
最后,J-15装备的是太行涡扇发动机(WS-10),比su-33的发动机更为强劲.人民日报总结道:"总体而言,J-15要比su-33更为优秀.可以媲美其他世界级的舰载机,例如美国的F-18,和法国的阵风."
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Today 12:58 AM jhungary 地区:Lund, Sweden(瑞典,隆德)
When you cannot see the similiarity between Su-33 and J-15, you would also be thinking they are better than F-18 or Rafale, as you were blind, how can you see the different
当你无法看到J-15与su-33之间的相似之处时,你也可以认为它比F-18或者阵风更好.你瞎了双眼,怎么能看出他们之间的不同之处？？
Today 01:09 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
comon...thats a chinese daily...ppl need fun aftrall
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
Today 01:18 AM 1ndy 地区:29.87°N 77.88°E
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
绝望的中国人正非常努力证明它并不是抄袭的su-33.
Today 01:20 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by 1ndy
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
well the sun rises from the west...
回复1ndy :
除非太阳从西边升起来....
Today 01:28 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
copy or not all that matters is their capability...i wonder weather are they superior to mki????nybody care to help me??
抄袭或者不是并不重要,重要的是他们的能力....我怀疑是不是他们的天气优于mki？？有人可以帮助我么？？
Today 01:34 AM even7seven 地区：UK（英国）
No one will know if the Chinese claims are accurate or not until they are tested in a real conflict scenario. I have no reason not to believe the Chinese, but like many military followers, I will reserve judgement on them until they have been used in anger. Not that I want China to go to war with anyone though.
没有人知道中国说法是否准确的,除非他们在一场真正的冲突之中进行测试.我没有理由不相信中国人,但像很多军事爱好者一样，我将保留对它们的看法,直到它们被用于冲突之中.但是我并不希望中国和任何人打仗.
Today 01:35 AM ChinaToday 地区:uk(英国)
Absolutely no doubt about is it a more superior than the russia antique fighter, apart from internal politics china daily is pretty accurate in all their reporting
它当然比俄罗斯的古董战机更为优秀,这是毫无疑问的.在所有的报道中,除了内部政治中国报纸可以说是相当准确的.
Today 08:23 AM shree835 地区:Bangalore(印度,班加罗尔)
A good example of "CHORI AUR SINAJORI".
一个最好的例子是:"CHORI AUR SINAJORI"
Today 08:58 AM Beast 地区：Australia（澳大利亚）
Our Indian friend are desperate to downplay our carrier fleet capabilites. I can't understand yr feeling since you got a broken carrier and lagging behind. If it happen to CV liaoning. We all will feel the same. I can feel the Indian pain. Poor thing :(
我们的印度朋友正极力贬低我们航母舰队的能力,当你得到一个破旧落后的船体就像辽宁号会怎么样.我们都会有相同的感觉,我能感到印度的痛苦.可怜的人啊..
Today 10:21 AM rcrmj 地区: Wenzhou(中国,温州)
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
即使无能的印度人也可以将LCA称为先进的战机,那为什么我们就不能夸耀一下J-15？？
Today 10:33 AM danger007 地区：india（印度）
Hahaha ...... chinese..... i like their spirit after looking at the casino... Russian tech is well known for all... but chinese are still mysterious... No body knows how they are developed j-15 or j- > >.... it might be smuggled tech or taking russians help secretly..
哈哈哈。。。。中国人。。。我喜欢他们的娱乐精神....俄罗斯的技术是所有人众所周知的...但中国至今为止还是神秘的....没有人知道他们是怎么研发J-15或者J-XX的....它们可能是窃取而来的技术或者俄罗斯暗中帮助的结果.
Today 10:41 AM veekysingh 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by rcrmj
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
we never claim tejas is superior then f-16 , but you saying your cheap copy is better then su-33
回复 rcrmj:
我们从来没有声称光辉优于F-16,但是你却说你们廉价复制的战机比su-33更好.
Today 10:53 AM Cherokee 地区:Pune(印度,浦那)
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
那为什么他们仍然在使用俄罗斯的劣质发动机？？噢,等一下,还是让我们的中国朋友流着眼泪来解释这个问题吧.
Today 11:15 AM faithfulguy 地区: US(美国)
Originally Posted by Cherokee
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
回复Cherokee :
这是因为中国一直在加快发动机的研发工作,但是J-15是不是使用的中国国产发动机呢？？
Today 11:22 AM veekysingh 地区： india（印度）
Originally Posted by faithfulguy
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
really?
回复faithfulguy ：
真的？
Today 12:14 PM Black Widow 地区：India（印度）
CHinese Daily == Communists Propaganda..
What do you expect govt mouthpiece to speak???
人民日报=GCD的宣传
你们怎么能相信政府喉舌所说的话？？
China’s new fighter aircraft J-15 is not a copy of the Russian Su-33 and is in fact superior to it, a state-run Chinese daily said Thursday.
中国的国营报纸周四说:中国的J-15舰载机并没有抄袭俄罗斯的SU-33,实际上J-15要优于SU-33.
On Nov 25, China’s carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet successfully underwent a series of tests on the Liaoning, China’s first aircraft carrier. People’s Daily said the J-15 is equipped with two high-power engines and a brand-new system of high lift device, takeoff and landing device and arrester hook.
在11月25日,中国的J-15舰载喷气式战机在其首艘航空母舰辽宁号上成功的进行了一些列的测试,人民日报说:J-15配备有两个大功率发动机全新的增升装置系统,起飞和着陆装置以及停机钩.
(译注:增升装置,机翼上用以改善气流状况以增加升力的装置.目前使用较广泛增升装置有前缘缝翼，后缘襟翼、前缘襟翼等.)
Its wing can be folded up to both maintain the excellent combat capability and meet the special requirement of landing on the Liaoning. Featuring large combat radius, excellent maneuvering performance and high bombs carrying capacity, the J-15 has a fighting capability of full sea and full airspace.
它的机翼可以折叠起来以保持良好的作战能力同时满足在辽宁号上降落的特殊要求.其具作战半径大,良好的机动性,可以装载较多的武器弹药的特点.J-15具有全方位的海空作战能力.
The Russian media guessed that the J-15 is a copy of Russian Su-33 carrier-borne fighter jet because its appearance is similar to Su-33.
俄罗斯媒体猜测J-15是仿造的俄罗斯SU-33舰载战斗机,因为其外观和SU-33非常相似.
Geng Yansheng, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense of China, was quoted as saying that many weapons have the same design principle and some command and protection methods are also similar. “Therefore, it at least is non-professional to conclude that China copied the aircraft carrier technology of other countries only by simply comparison.”
中国国防部发言人耿雁生说:"许多武器具有相同的设计原则指挥和防护方法也不尽相同,因此许多非专业人士只是通过简单的比较便认为中国复制了其他国家的航母技术."
The state-run daily then cited areas in which it says the Chinese fighter is ahead of the Russian jet.
国营的报纸其后列举了在哪些领域中国的战机领先俄罗斯战机.
First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.
首先,J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的航空电子设备.su-33装备的是老式的ARINC 429单向低速数据总线离散系统.而J-15采用的是双向数据总线的联合航空电子系统.
TS-100, the Su-33′s fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15′s fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second, said the media report.
The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.
The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight.
媒体报道说:su-33的火控计算机TS-100,其运算速度只有每秒170,000次.而J-15的火控计算机运算速度估计在每秒百万次以上.
J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的雷达系统.由于其落后的航电系统,su-33只能作为拦截机,而不能进行空对地的精确打击.
J-15采用的改良生产技术和机体材料,因此机体具有更高的强度和更轻的重量.
Finally, the J-15 is powered by Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33′s engine.
“Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States’ F-18 and France’s Rafale,” the daily concluded.
最后,J-15装备的是太行涡扇发动机(WS-10),比su-33的发动机更为强劲.人民日报总结道:"总体而言,J-15要比su-33更为优秀.可以媲美其他世界级的舰载机,例如美国的F-18,和法国的阵风."
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Today 12:58 AM jhungary 地区:Lund, Sweden(瑞典,隆德)
When you cannot see the similiarity between Su-33 and J-15, you would also be thinking they are better than F-18 or Rafale, as you were blind, how can you see the different
当你无法看到J-15与su-33之间的相似之处时,你也可以认为它比F-18或者阵风更好.你瞎了双眼,怎么能看出他们之间的不同之处？？
Today 01:09 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
comon...thats a chinese daily...ppl need fun aftrall
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
Today 01:18 AM 1ndy 地区:29.87°N 77.88°E
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
绝望的中国人正非常努力证明它并不是抄袭的su-33.
Today 01:20 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by 1ndy
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
well the sun rises from the west...
回复1ndy :
除非太阳从西边升起来....
Today 01:28 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
copy or not all that matters is their capability...i wonder weather are they superior to mki????nybody care to help me??
抄袭或者不是并不重要,重要的是他们的能力....我怀疑是不是他们的天气优于mki？？有人可以帮助我么？？
Today 01:34 AM even7seven 地区：UK（英国）
No one will know if the Chinese claims are accurate or not until they are tested in a real conflict scenario. I have no reason not to believe the Chinese, but like many military followers, I will reserve judgement on them until they have been used in anger. Not that I want China to go to war with anyone though.
没有人知道中国说法是否准确的,除非他们在一场真正的冲突之中进行测试.我没有理由不相信中国人,但像很多军事爱好者一样，我将保留对它们的看法,直到它们被用于冲突之中.但是我并不希望中国和任何人打仗.
Today 01:35 AM ChinaToday 地区:uk(英国)
Absolutely no doubt about is it a more superior than the russia antique fighter, apart from internal politics china daily is pretty accurate in all their reporting
它当然比俄罗斯的古董战机更为优秀,这是毫无疑问的.在所有的报道中,除了内部政治中国报纸可以说是相当准确的.
Today 08:23 AM shree835 地区:Bangalore(印度,班加罗尔)
A good example of "CHORI AUR SINAJORI".
一个最好的例子是:"CHORI AUR SINAJORI"
Today 08:58 AM Beast 地区：Australia（澳大利亚）
Our Indian friend are desperate to downplay our carrier fleet capabilites. I can't understand yr feeling since you got a broken carrier and lagging behind. If it happen to CV liaoning. We all will feel the same. I can feel the Indian pain. Poor thing :(
我们的印度朋友正极力贬低我们航母舰队的能力,当你得到一个破旧落后的船体就像辽宁号会怎么样.我们都会有相同的感觉,我能感到印度的痛苦.可怜的人啊..
Today 10:21 AM rcrmj 地区: Wenzhou(中国,温州)
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
即使无能的印度人也可以将LCA称为先进的战机,那为什么我们就不能夸耀一下J-15？？
Today 10:33 AM danger007 地区：india（印度）
Hahaha ...... chinese..... i like their spirit after looking at the casino... Russian tech is well known for all... but chinese are still mysterious... No body knows how they are developed j-15 or j- > >.... it might be smuggled tech or taking russians help secretly..
哈哈哈。。。。中国人。。。我喜欢他们的娱乐精神....俄罗斯的技术是所有人众所周知的...但中国至今为止还是神秘的....没有人知道他们是怎么研发J-15或者J-XX的....它们可能是窃取而来的技术或者俄罗斯暗中帮助的结果.
Today 10:41 AM veekysingh 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by rcrmj
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
we never claim tejas is superior then f-16 , but you saying your cheap copy is better then su-33
回复 rcrmj:
我们从来没有声称光辉优于F-16,但是你却说你们廉价复制的战机比su-33更好.
Today 10:53 AM Cherokee 地区:Pune(印度,浦那)
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
那为什么他们仍然在使用俄罗斯的劣质发动机？？噢,等一下,还是让我们的中国朋友流着眼泪来解释这个问题吧.
Today 11:15 AM faithfulguy 地区: US(美国)
Originally Posted by Cherokee
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
回复Cherokee :
这是因为中国一直在加快发动机的研发工作,但是J-15是不是使用的中国国产发动机呢？？
Today 11:22 AM veekysingh 地区： india（印度）
Originally Posted by faithfulguy
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
really?
回复faithfulguy ：
真的？
Today 12:14 PM Black Widow 地区：India（印度）
CHinese Daily == Communists Propaganda..
What do you expect govt mouthpiece to speak???
人民日报=GCD的宣传
你们怎么能相信政府喉舌所说的话？？本贴论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=116996&extra=page%3D1%26filter%3Dauthor%26orderby%3Ddateline%26orderby%3Ddateline
China’s new fighter aircraft J-15 is not a copy of the Russian Su-33 and is in fact superior to it, a state-run Chinese daily said Thursday.
中国的国营报纸周四说:中国的J-15舰载机并没有抄袭俄罗斯的SU-33,实际上J-15要优于SU-33.
On Nov 25, China’s carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet successfully underwent a series of tests on the Liaoning, China’s first aircraft carrier. People’s Daily said the J-15 is equipped with two high-power engines and a brand-new system of high lift device, takeoff and landing device and arrester hook.
在11月25日,中国的J-15舰载喷气式战机在其首艘航空母舰辽宁号上成功的进行了一些列的测试,人民日报说:J-15配备有两个大功率发动机全新的增升装置系统,起飞和着陆装置以及停机钩.
(译注:增升装置,机翼上用以改善气流状况以增加升力的装置.目前使用较广泛增升装置有前缘缝翼，后缘襟翼、前缘襟翼等.)
Its wing can be folded up to both maintain the excellent combat capability and meet the special requirement of landing on the Liaoning. Featuring large combat radius, excellent maneuvering performance and high bombs carrying capacity, the J-15 has a fighting capability of full sea and full airspace.
它的机翼可以折叠起来以保持良好的作战能力同时满足在辽宁号上降落的特殊要求.其具作战半径大,良好的机动性,可以装载较多的武器弹药的特点.J-15具有全方位的海空作战能力.
The Russian media guessed that the J-15 is a copy of Russian Su-33 carrier-borne fighter jet because its appearance is similar to Su-33.
俄罗斯媒体猜测J-15是仿造的俄罗斯SU-33舰载战斗机,因为其外观和SU-33非常相似.
Geng Yansheng, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense of China, was quoted as saying that many weapons have the same design principle and some command and protection methods are also similar. “Therefore, it at least is non-professional to conclude that China copied the aircraft carrier technology of other countries only by simply comparison.”
中国国防部发言人耿雁生说:"许多武器具有相同的设计原则指挥和防护方法也不尽相同,因此许多非专业人士只是通过简单的比较便认为中国复制了其他国家的航母技术."
The state-run daily then cited areas in which it says the Chinese fighter is ahead of the Russian jet.
国营的报纸其后列举了在哪些领域中国的战机领先俄罗斯战机.
First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.
首先,J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的航空电子设备.su-33装备的是老式的ARINC 429单向低速数据总线离散系统.而J-15采用的是双向数据总线的联合航空电子系统.
TS-100, the Su-33′s fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15′s fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second, said the media report.
The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.
The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight.
媒体报道说:su-33的火控计算机TS-100,其运算速度只有每秒170,000次.而J-15的火控计算机运算速度估计在每秒百万次以上.
J-15拥有比su-33更为先进的雷达系统.由于其落后的航电系统,su-33只能作为拦截机,而不能进行空对地的精确打击.
J-15采用的改良生产技术和机体材料,因此机体具有更高的强度和更轻的重量.
Finally, the J-15 is powered by Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33′s engine.
“Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States’ F-18 and France’s Rafale,” the daily concluded.
最后,J-15装备的是太行涡扇发动机(WS-10),比su-33的发动机更为强劲.人民日报总结道:"总体而言,J-15要比su-33更为优秀.可以媲美其他世界级的舰载机,例如美国的F-18,和法国的阵风."
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Today 12:58 AM jhungary 地区:Lund, Sweden(瑞典,隆德)
When you cannot see the similiarity between Su-33 and J-15, you would also be thinking they are better than F-18 or Rafale, as you were blind, how can you see the different
当你无法看到J-15与su-33之间的相似之处时,你也可以认为它比F-18或者阵风更好.你瞎了双眼,怎么能看出他们之间的不同之处？？
Today 01:09 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
comon...thats a chinese daily...ppl need fun aftrall
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
Today 01:18 AM 1ndy 地区:29.87°N 77.88°E
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
绝望的中国人正非常努力证明它并不是抄袭的su-33.
Today 01:20 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by 1ndy
Desperate Chinese are trying really hard to prove that it isn't a copy of su-33.
well the sun rises from the west...
回复1ndy :
除非太阳从西边升起来....
Today 01:28 AM neehar 地区:india(印度)
copy or not all that matters is their capability...i wonder weather are they superior to mki????nybody care to help me??
抄袭或者不是并不重要,重要的是他们的能力....我怀疑是不是他们的天气优于mki？？有人可以帮助我么？？
Today 01:34 AM even7seven 地区：UK（英国）
No one will know if the Chinese claims are accurate or not until they are tested in a real conflict scenario. I have no reason not to believe the Chinese, but like many military followers, I will reserve judgement on them until they have been used in anger. Not that I want China to go to war with anyone though.
没有人知道中国说法是否准确的,除非他们在一场真正的冲突之中进行测试.我没有理由不相信中国人,但像很多军事爱好者一样，我将保留对它们的看法,直到它们被用于冲突之中.但是我并不希望中国和任何人打仗.
Today 01:35 AM ChinaToday 地区:uk(英国)
Absolutely no doubt about is it a more superior than the russia antique fighter, apart from internal politics china daily is pretty accurate in all their reporting
它当然比俄罗斯的古董战机更为优秀,这是毫无疑问的.在所有的报道中,除了内部政治中国报纸可以说是相当准确的.
Today 08:23 AM shree835 地区:Bangalore(印度,班加罗尔)
A good example of "CHORI AUR SINAJORI".
一个最好的例子是:"CHORI AUR SINAJORI"
Today 08:58 AM Beast 地区：Australia（澳大利亚）
Our Indian friend are desperate to downplay our carrier fleet capabilites. I can't understand yr feeling since you got a broken carrier and lagging behind. If it happen to CV liaoning. We all will feel the same. I can feel the Indian pain. Poor thing :(
我们的印度朋友正极力贬低我们航母舰队的能力,当你得到一个破旧落后的船体就像辽宁号会怎么样.我们都会有相同的感觉,我能感到印度的痛苦.可怜的人啊..
Today 10:21 AM rcrmj 地区: Wenzhou(中国,温州)
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
即使无能的印度人也可以将LCA称为先进的战机,那为什么我们就不能夸耀一下J-15？？
Today 10:33 AM danger007 地区：india（印度）
Hahaha ...... chinese..... i like their spirit after looking at the casino... Russian tech is well known for all... but chinese are still mysterious... No body knows how they are developed j-15 or j- > >.... it might be smuggled tech or taking russians help secretly..
哈哈哈。。。。中国人。。。我喜欢他们的娱乐精神....俄罗斯的技术是所有人众所周知的...但中国至今为止还是神秘的....没有人知道他们是怎么研发J-15或者J-XX的....它们可能是窃取而来的技术或者俄罗斯暗中帮助的结果.
Today 10:41 AM veekysingh 地区:india(印度)
Originally Posted by rcrmj
even the clueless indians to claim LCA is an 'advanced' plane``why cant we boast a bit for J-15?
we never claim tejas is superior then f-16 , but you saying your cheap copy is better then su-33
回复 rcrmj:
我们从来没有声称光辉优于F-16,但是你却说你们廉价复制的战机比su-33更好.
Today 10:53 AM Cherokee 地区:Pune(印度,浦那)
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
那为什么他们仍然在使用俄罗斯的劣质发动机？？噢,等一下,还是让我们的中国朋友流着眼泪来解释这个问题吧.
Today 11:15 AM faithfulguy 地区: US(美国)
Originally Posted by Cherokee
So pray why are they still using inferior Russian Engines . Oh Wait let the Tears of Explanation from our Chinese Friends flow .
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
回复Cherokee :
这是因为中国一直在加快发动机的研发工作,但是J-15是不是使用的中国国产发动机呢？？
Today 11:22 AM veekysingh 地区： india（印度）
Originally Posted by faithfulguy
It's because China is still coming up to speed on engine development. But isn't j-15 using Chinese made engine?
really?
回复faithfulguy ：
真的？
Today 12:14 PM Black Widow 地区：India（印度）
CHinese Daily == Communists Propaganda..
What do you expect govt mouthpiece to speak???
人民日报=GCD的宣传
你们怎么能相信政府喉舌所说的话？？
最后一句是亮点 。哈哈
LZ手好快。刚在龙腾那边看完。。。其实我觉得三哥的内心深处还是很忧伤的。。。
亮点在最后，哈哈！
可他们老说CNN, BBC最可性
有些翻译不准确，chinese daily是统称中国报纸，不是人民日报
里面不是还有其他地方的评论么，牛牛大师的看得要清楚点
谁把醋坛子打翻了？
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
我们娱乐都看你们。不看报纸。
我们娱乐都看你们。不看报纸。
绝望的中国人？“绝望”的中国人已经迎来自己改造成功的航母和自造成功的重型舰载机，并成功起降。而三哥还在充满希望地等待爆肛的神器
此时此刻去非常理解三哥的心情
但我要说的是睡自己老婆，让三哥嫖鸡去
但我要说的是睡自己老婆，让三哥嫖鸡去对于印度来说，中国是当今世界上最相似、最有借鉴价值的国家。如果印度一直看不到中国的优点，那对印度将是一个相当悲哀的事情。反之亦然，中国人也应当清醒看到印度的优点和长处。
温州那位很过分。。。你这是在破坏张局的成果
有些翻译不准确，chinese daily是统称中国报纸，不是人民日报
您也翻错了，应该叫《中国日报》
您也翻错了，应该叫《中国日报》
印度人的杯具在与他哦们不肯承认兔子已经超越的现实，进而催生出无奈而又自欺欺人的心态。任何一个民族如果不能辅下身子学习其他民族的优点，那么只有去当鸵鸟了
您也翻错了，应该叫《中国日报》
那是china daily
那是china daily
真的假的
我们从来没有声称光辉优于f16……
这句话笑死我了
这句话笑死我了
阿三太搞笑了，就阿三那水平，给兔子提鞋也不够格啊！
阿三太搞笑了，就阿三那水平，给兔子提鞋也不够格啊！
Noxnic 发表于 2012-12-8 01:32 ![]()
LZ手好快。刚在龙腾那边看完。。。其实我觉得三哥的内心深处还是很忧伤的。。。
望了一山又一山，全球军购把名传；
公鸡大毛全都有，回扣收到手发软；
家中阿琼已二世，超日光辉玩得转；
待到集齐五神龙，常任席位来召唤。
LZ手好快。刚在龙腾那边看完。。。其实我觉得三哥的内心深处还是很忧伤的。。。
望了一山又一山，全球军购把名传；
公鸡大毛全都有，回扣收到手发软；
家中阿琼已二世，超日光辉玩得转；
待到集齐五神龙，常任席位来召唤。
您也翻错了，应该叫《中国日报》
是china daily
是china daily
rogerkkk123 发表于 2012-12-8 08:39 ![]()
对于印度来说，中国是当今世界上最相似、最有借鉴价值的国家。如果印度一直看不到中国的优点，那对印度将是 ...
中国似乎更应该看到印度为什么这么失败，从中吸取教训。印度的优点能拿出来让中国学的，实在不多
对于印度来说，中国是当今世界上最相似、最有借鉴价值的国家。如果印度一直看不到中国的优点，那对印度将是 ...
中国似乎更应该看到印度为什么这么失败，从中吸取教训。印度的优点能拿出来让中国学的，实在不多
小月没雨听 发表于 2012-12-8 08:33 ![]()
此时此刻去非常理解三哥的心情但我要说的是睡自己老婆，让三哥嫖鸡去
我非常不理解你这句话的深刻内涵
此时此刻去非常理解三哥的心情但我要说的是睡自己老婆，让三哥嫖鸡去
我非常不理解你这句话的深刻内涵
ydsns 发表于 2012-12-8 14:37 ![]()
我非常不理解你这句话的深刻内涵
夫妻俩人在一起，既没性生活，也坚决不离婚！ 这种现象就是传说中的：“一不做，二不休！“
我非常不理解你这句话的深刻内涵
夫妻俩人在一起，既没性生活，也坚决不离婚！ 这种现象就是传说中的：“一不做，二不休！“
让三哥继续欢乐吧，我基本上不太想评论了。
阿三那么厉害怎么不抄SU33? 还要买米格29呢？ 还有资格笑人家？
阿三什么都造不出来 嘿嘿
游弋沙滩 发表于 2012-12-8 14:44 ![]()
夫妻俩人在一起，既没性生活，也坚决不离婚！ 这种现象就是传说中的：“一不做，二不休！“
神解释。。。
夫妻俩人在一起，既没性生活，也坚决不离婚！ 这种现象就是传说中的：“一不做，二不休！“
神解释。。。
H2SamHon 发表于 2012-12-8 08:42 ![]()
您也翻错了，应该叫《中国日报》
中国日报应该是China 不是Chinese
您也翻错了，应该叫《中国日报》
中国日报应该是China 不是Chinese
hkswzy 发表于 2012-12-8 08:14 ![]()
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
我们娱乐都看你们。不看报纸。
你的话太伤人了
很常见....这是一家中国报纸....人们都需要娱乐而已....
我们娱乐都看你们。不看报纸。
你的话太伤人了
9、10、11、13的回答都很精屁
魔术杨 发表于 2012-12-8 14:19 ![]()
中国似乎更应该看到印度为什么这么失败，从中吸取教训。印度的优点能拿出来让中国学的，实在不多
冒似他的IT民工政策很成功。软件代工相当的不错。
中国似乎更应该看到印度为什么这么失败，从中吸取教训。印度的优点能拿出来让中国学的，实在不多
冒似他的IT民工政策很成功。软件代工相当的不错。
看三哥才是我们的娱乐方式
原来三哥看我们也跟我们看三哥差不多啊！
djztzy 发表于 2012-12-8 07:46 ![]()
里面不是还有其他地方的评论么，牛牛大师的看得要清楚点
在与自己的利益相关不大的时候牛牛还是会说实话的，这一点上牛牛还是有点绅士风度比白头鹰要强。
里面不是还有其他地方的评论么，牛牛大师的看得要清楚点
在与自己的利益相关不大的时候牛牛还是会说实话的，这一点上牛牛还是有点绅士风度比白头鹰要强。
一代神机LCA……
话说舰载型搞定了没？
话说舰载型搞定了没？
598238925 发表于 2012-12-8 16:20 ![]()
冒似他的IT民工政策很成功。软件代工相当的不错。
哈哈哈哈，我猜你就要说这个，说印度的都是说且仅说这个。。。
不过事实是整个印度的IT产业不过就是对欧美的软件项目外包而已，对印度自身的工业服务业一点贡献都没有，软件没有为印度产业服务。当然三哥软件外包这件事确实有语言、沟通、成本上的优势，也占据了市场的大头，但是对中国一来没法学（语言），二来这事就像菲律宾出口菲佣很成功一样不值得大规模学。
冒似他的IT民工政策很成功。软件代工相当的不错。
哈哈哈哈，我猜你就要说这个，说印度的都是说且仅说这个。。。
不过事实是整个印度的IT产业不过就是对欧美的软件项目外包而已，对印度自身的工业服务业一点贡献都没有，软件没有为印度产业服务。当然三哥软件外包这件事确实有语言、沟通、成本上的优势，也占据了市场的大头，但是对中国一来没法学（语言），二来这事就像菲律宾出口菲佣很成功一样不值得大规模学。
羡慕嫉妒恨啦
澳洲那兄弟说的不错
ydsns 发表于 2012-12-8 14:37 ![]()
我非常不理解你这句话的深刻内涵
说的是我们有自己制造的航妈、丝带等等，而YD需要购买别人的吧（玩别人的东西当然需要付钱了）。
我非常不理解你这句话的深刻内涵
说的是我们有自己制造的航妈、丝带等等，而YD需要购买别人的吧（玩别人的东西当然需要付钱了）。