三哥砖家说黑丝是伊朗丝带机理念,是4.75带鸡,并抱怨黑 ...

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三哥砖家说黑丝是伊朗丝带机理念,是4.75带鸡,并且抱怨黑丝出现严重影响他们的MRCA采购计划

Chinese J-20 stealth aircraft can influence Indian Air Force MMRCA tender

By P. Chacko Joseph | January 30th, 2011 | Category: General Indian Armed Forces News | No Comments »


The internet is full of videos and pictures of the Chinese J-20 aircraft that has a potential stealth design. In my view the concept is more of an Iranian stealth plane Shafaq, (按照我的理念这更多的是一个伊朗丝带机 沙发球 的隐身鸡理念) 波斯的隐身鸡 Shafaq是个神马东东,从来木有听说过。
which is an attempt to marry low radar absorbing design with available electronics. In my opinion, Chinese will try to marry a low radar absorbing design J-20 with electronics developed for its J-10 aircraft. I expect it not to be a true blue stealth plane and may designate it as a 4.75 generation plane.(三哥砖家预测这不是一个真正的隐身鸡,他是一个4.75带鸡的设计)

There are two aspects of J-20. Looking at images, the plane has a low observable front and not so low observable rear. Irrespective if it is a ground attack or heavy interceptor, the head on engagement and detection may be a difficult proposition. With proliferation of the Beyond Visual range missiles, the possibility of a dog fight and the opportunity of getting behind J-20 will be remote. J-20 could possibly host future generation electronics testbed too. This makes the Chinese J-20 a possible game changer over Indian skies.(黑丝的出现将改变印度天空的游戏规则)

India is expected to face some 2000 odd 4.5 gen fighter planes and equal number of advanced bomber / support planes from China and Pakistan. The Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender is to address similar or inferior possible deployments in the region. J-20 could possibly alter the current definition of the MMRCA. Indian Air force already has a study


Image: Eurofighter
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in progress on possible impact of the Chinese J-20 over Indian skies.
The MMRCA could be affected in terms of cost, design and avionics. On the design front, IAF may be forced to buy, possibly partially, a fighter with lowest RCS. On avionics part, IAF would look for even more powerful radars and detection techniques. IAF, like most air forces around the world believes in early and longer range. This in turn will affect the cost of the tender.

In my opinion, the Eurofighter with its 15% metallic surface, Meteor and advertised avionics would be the best fit against the possible 4.75 generation J-20. Limited numbers could be acquired considering Chinese ability in delivering J-20 in short time period. The internally squabbling Eurofighter partners will have to speed up the development of a AESA radar or deliver it just in time the Chinese will be ready to field J-20′s in threatening numbers. India could also explore a composite airframe for SU-30 MKI, but, it is not a near term option. Rafale could be another potential candidate provided French make operational their mythical active cancellation.

The MMRCA split may increase the aircraft type serving IAF, but, the threat is multi faceted. One other option could be India not splitting the MMRCA, but look at F-15 Stealth Eagle. But, the possibility is unlikely.


链接:
http://frontierindia.net/chinese ... -force-mmrca-tender

三哥砖家说黑丝是伊朗丝带机理念,是4.75带鸡,并且抱怨黑丝出现严重影响他们的MRCA采购计划

Chinese J-20 stealth aircraft can influence Indian Air Force MMRCA tender

By P. Chacko Joseph | January 30th, 2011 | Category: General Indian Armed Forces News | No Comments »


The internet is full of videos and pictures of the Chinese J-20 aircraft that has a potential stealth design. In my view the concept is more of an Iranian stealth plane Shafaq, (按照我的理念这更多的是一个伊朗丝带机 沙发球 的隐身鸡理念) 波斯的隐身鸡 Shafaq是个神马东东,从来木有听说过。
which is an attempt to marry low radar absorbing design with available electronics. In my opinion, Chinese will try to marry a low radar absorbing design J-20 with electronics developed for its J-10 aircraft. I expect it not to be a true blue stealth plane and may designate it as a 4.75 generation plane.(三哥砖家预测这不是一个真正的隐身鸡,他是一个4.75带鸡的设计)

There are two aspects of J-20. Looking at images, the plane has a low observable front and not so low observable rear. Irrespective if it is a ground attack or heavy interceptor, the head on engagement and detection may be a difficult proposition. With proliferation of the Beyond Visual range missiles, the possibility of a dog fight and the opportunity of getting behind J-20 will be remote. J-20 could possibly host future generation electronics testbed too. This makes the Chinese J-20 a possible game changer over Indian skies.(黑丝的出现将改变印度天空的游戏规则)

India is expected to face some 2000 odd 4.5 gen fighter planes and equal number of advanced bomber / support planes from China and Pakistan. The Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender is to address similar or inferior possible deployments in the region. J-20 could possibly alter the current definition of the MMRCA. Indian Air force already has a study


Image: Eurofighter
[img][/img]


in progress on possible impact of the Chinese J-20 over Indian skies.
The MMRCA could be affected in terms of cost, design and avionics. On the design front, IAF may be forced to buy, possibly partially, a fighter with lowest RCS. On avionics part, IAF would look for even more powerful radars and detection techniques. IAF, like most air forces around the world believes in early and longer range. This in turn will affect the cost of the tender.

In my opinion, the Eurofighter with its 15% metallic surface, Meteor and advertised avionics would be the best fit against the possible 4.75 generation J-20. Limited numbers could be acquired considering Chinese ability in delivering J-20 in short time period. The internally squabbling Eurofighter partners will have to speed up the development of a AESA radar or deliver it just in time the Chinese will be ready to field J-20′s in threatening numbers. India could also explore a composite airframe for SU-30 MKI, but, it is not a near term option. Rafale could be another potential candidate provided French make operational their mythical active cancellation.

The MMRCA split may increase the aircraft type serving IAF, but, the threat is multi faceted. One other option could be India not splitting the MMRCA, but look at F-15 Stealth Eagle. But, the possibility is unlikely.


链接:
http://frontierindia.net/chinese ... -force-mmrca-tender
三哥砖家期望这不是一个真正的隐身鸡

三哥很实诚,说是期望而非认定:D
随意百度一下4.75代机。。。。出来最多的竟是T50
谁能告诉我4.75是怎么算出来的?
三哥。。。。。。
预料J20不是一个真正的隐身鸡”
-_, 三哥又想把F15SE列入竞标计划?

- 发送自我的Xperia X10i


伊朗沙发




伊朗沙发


A3专家那个搞笑……其实他裤衩比我们都红……
他说中巴两国将拥有2000架左右的4.75代战斗机和同样数量的轰炸机……
India is expected to face some 2000 odd 4.5 gen fighter planes and equal number of advanced bomber / support planes from China and Pakistan.

这是什么搞笑人士??
说老实话。伊朗这个还是看起来很不错的。
说老实话。伊朗这个还是看起来很不错的。{:hao:}
总之J20比F22还大
伊朗能搞出来么?
阿三又搞得出来么?
天高任鸿飞 发表于 2011-1-31 01:14


    就是说20达不到5代机的水平,22和50都号称5代。
dreadnaught 发表于 2011-1-31 04:08
可能是玩具制造厂的工作人员 我们就原谅他的不专业吧
伊朗那个可作高教。
三哥还真不如波斯人实干
廪君蛮 发表于 2011-1-31 02:50


    这个家伙。。。武器外挂??
波斯机的第一张怎么那么像隐改发财啊!下面几张又很像“心神”啊!
呵呵A3又开始搞笑了
总是得有点美好的梦想不是?三哥是木办法啊
对付三锅 棍子大改都不用  直接上发财大改 秒杀!
三锅的话不值一拨,伊朗的JJ也挺酷的


根据外国专家的理论:

J-20是4.1代机
J-22是4.2代机
J-24是4.3代机
J-25是4.5代机
J-27是4.8代机
J-29是4.13代机
J-30是4.21代机
J-33是4.34代机
J-34是4.55代机
J-35是4.89代机
J-37是4.144代机

因为5代机必须是民主的,所以LCA是,J-88不是。

根据外国专家的理论:

J-20是4.1代机
J-22是4.2代机
J-24是4.3代机
J-25是4.5代机
J-27是4.8代机
J-29是4.13代机
J-30是4.21代机
J-33是4.34代机
J-34是4.55代机
J-35是4.89代机
J-37是4.144代机

因为5代机必须是民主的,所以LCA是,J-88不是。
廪君蛮 发表于 2011-1-31 02:50

这不是米高扬的那啥咩
波斯这个气动,要超巡的话估计鸭梨比较大,要发动机非常地给力才行。
理他做甚,一帮自以算是白鬼的黑皮猪.
三哥还真不如波斯人实干
超级霉菌 发表于 2011-1-31 04:09


    好像是早期的米格2000的翻版
已经按0.25代划分了啊,工作就是细致
波斯的玩意儿到现在还没飞起来的风声……
三哥很实诚,说是期望
我很期待看到LCA枪挑20的文章{:2_62:}
伊朗这个JJ,看上去很像换成V形双垂尾的L-15啊?
他们的lca是几代?
4.75代,小数点后二位,好精确的数字,不愧是砖家!
zhuang3900 发表于 2011-1-31 18:01


    迟早都会有
看看阿三军粉yy的lca二世
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看了我崩溃了,这不一山寨鹰狮吗?
回复 34# 装甲老鼠


    同感
三哥真敢说实话,我们的丝带还真就是抄袭的伊朗设计,而伊朗设计师抄袭的米格局设计,而总所周知的是,米格局一般都是抄袭印度斯坦航空公司的设计,HAL板载!

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