我是火星人 打听下地球兔鳖国10吨级直升机现在的在研方 ...

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Z15已经首飞

Z15不是5.5吨级的么

peishens 发表于 2010-12-21 16:40


    真难得，P神好久没露面了。另2P可是很活跃。

peishens 发表于 2010-12-21 16:40


    发图到首飞得等几年？

peishens 发表于 2010-12-21 16:40


    P神您多说一句能太监啊

ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-21 16:35


    7吨级的

我看除了发动机，其他都好搞。

回复 11# 绿光游骑兵
重量一路飙升啊，一开始就号称是5.5吨级项目，后来改口说6吨级，现在居然又变成7吨级的了……究竟是Z15在日益完善，还是因为超重呢？

p神出没

p神你就不能多说一句？ 把我的问题回答了？ 机身扁不扁？发动机有着落没?

ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-21 16:35


    直15是6吨级的

尾巴翘一翘，改前三点。。。

    直-15/EC 175原先说是6吨级的，但其最终落实却是7吨级的

http://www.eurocopter.com/site/en/ref/Overview_867-819.html

Main description

Designed for Customers, with Customers.
The best medium twin for the next decades.
Designed with our customers, the EC175 sets new standards for all your missions.
Ingeniously optimized.
Extensive end-user advice combined with the latest generation computer aided design and virtual simulation mock-up were essential to the optimization of the EC175.
Result? It is the roomiest, safest, most comfortable, easiest to fly, cheapest to maintain, most cost-effective 7-ton robust workhorse in the world.

Z15不是5.5吨级的么
ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-21 16:35

直15是6吨级的
我是菜鸟 发表于 2010-12-22 08:35

    直-15/EC 175原先说是6吨级的，但其最终落实却是7吨级的

http://www.eurocopter.com/site/en/ref/Overview_867-819.html

Main description

Designed for Customers, with Customers.
The best medium twin for the next decades.
Designed with our customers, the EC175 sets new standards for all your missions.
Ingeniously optimized.
Extensive end-user advice combined with the latest generation computer aided design and virtual simulation mock-up were essential to the optimization of the EC175.
Result? It is the roomiest, safest, most comfortable, easiest to fly, cheapest to maintain, most cost-effective 7-ton robust workhorse in the world.

    直-15/EC 175已是7吨级的

http://www.deagel.com/Commercial-Helicopters/EC-175_a000052001.aspx

The Eurocopter EC 175 is a 7-ton class multi-mission helicopter intended for the civil market being developed by Eurocopter in conjunction with China's Harbin Aviation Industry Group, an AVIC II corporation subsidiary. The program was officially launched on December 5, 2005 during a visit of Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao to France. EC 175 development will be complete in five years beginning in 2006. First flight is expected by 2009. Aircraft certification in both countries, France and China, as well as series production start are due in 2011. The EC175 helicopter is intended mainly for offshore oil and gas missions as well as search and rescue (SAR), homeland security, emergency medical service (EMS), and passengers air transport operations.

The EC 175 program will be executed by a 50/50 joint venture with two separated assembly lines in France and China. Eurocopter and AVIC II will invest about 300 million Euro each, totaling 600 million Euro. The commercial forecast for the aircraft type was numbered at 800 helicopters over a 20-year period. Overall, this program should be worth about 10 billion Euro. According to Eurocopter, the EC 175 is meant to fill the gap between 5-ton Dauphin and 10-ton Super Puma/Cougar rotary-wing aircraft. As of late February 2008 Eurocopter had logged 111 commitments from customers around the world.

The new medium-twin class helicopter will feature latest avionics and cockpit equipment highlighting four 6x8-in LCD displays, cabin and cockpit air conditioned, emergency floatation devices, a five-blade Spheriflex main rotor, a four-axis digital Automatic Flight Control System (AFCS), and high-energy crash absorbing airframe. It will be powered by two Pratt & Whitney PT6C-67E engines with new generation FADEC. The aircraft will have a very low vibration level minimizing internal and external noise, falling far below the latest ICAO standards. Operated by a crew of one or two-pilots it will be able to carry as many as 16 passengers at speeds of 280 km/h. Its action radius will stay above 200 nautical miles (370 km).

Accommodation: Crew 2, Passengers 16

Weights: Max Weight 7,000 kg (15,432 lb)

Performance: Cruise Speed 280 kph (174 mph), Max Range 740 km (400 nm)

Other: Main Rotor Blades 5, Number of Engines 2

Z15不是5.5吨级的么
ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-21 16:35

直15是6吨级的
我是菜鸟 发表于 2010-12-22 08:35

    直-15/EC 175已是7吨级的

http://www.deagel.com/Commercial-Helicopters/EC-175_a000052001.aspx

The Eurocopter EC 175 is a 7-ton class multi-mission helicopter intended for the civil market being developed by Eurocopter in conjunction with China's Harbin Aviation Industry Group, an AVIC II corporation subsidiary. The program was officially launched on December 5, 2005 during a visit of Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao to France. EC 175 development will be complete in five years beginning in 2006. First flight is expected by 2009. Aircraft certification in both countries, France and China, as well as series production start are due in 2011. The EC175 helicopter is intended mainly for offshore oil and gas missions as well as search and rescue (SAR), homeland security, emergency medical service (EMS), and passengers air transport operations.

The EC 175 program will be executed by a 50/50 joint venture with two separated assembly lines in France and China. Eurocopter and AVIC II will invest about 300 million Euro each, totaling 600 million Euro. The commercial forecast for the aircraft type was numbered at 800 helicopters over a 20-year period. Overall, this program should be worth about 10 billion Euro. According to Eurocopter, the EC 175 is meant to fill the gap between 5-ton Dauphin and 10-ton Super Puma/Cougar rotary-wing aircraft. As of late February 2008 Eurocopter had logged 111 commitments from customers around the world.

The new medium-twin class helicopter will feature latest avionics and cockpit equipment highlighting four 6x8-in LCD displays, cabin and cockpit air conditioned, emergency floatation devices, a five-blade Spheriflex main rotor, a four-axis digital Automatic Flight Control System (AFCS), and high-energy crash absorbing airframe. It will be powered by two Pratt & Whitney PT6C-67E engines with new generation FADEC. The aircraft will have a very low vibration level minimizing internal and external noise, falling far below the latest ICAO standards. Operated by a crew of one or two-pilots it will be able to carry as many as 16 passengers at speeds of 280 km/h. Its action radius will stay above 200 nautical miles (370 km).

Accommodation: Crew 2, Passengers 16

Weights: Max Weight 7,000 kg (15,432 lb)

Performance: Cruise Speed 280 kph (174 mph), Max Range 740 km (400 nm)

Other: Main Rotor Blades 5, Number of Engines 2

七吨级的Z15直升机在法国马赛成功首飞，不仅填补了中国直升机谱系中六至七吨级的空白，也填补了欧直直升机系列中海豚四至五吨位和超美洲豹九至十一吨位的空白。

　　专家介绍，EC175-Z15是一种中型双发直升机，它可以执行多种不同的民用任务，最多能承载十六名乘客。具备了极高的性能和可靠性。它适用于长航程搜救、国土安全、紧急医疗救护等用途，还可用作商务贵宾机和公司营运机。

　　按照研制和生产交付计划，二0一0年Z15将交付三架批生产机身及大量用于取证试验的试验件，预计在二0一一年获得欧洲航空安全局的适航证。

5．5吨级通用直升机；正在研制的固定翼飞机包括：运8Ｆ600、运12Ｆ、高级教练机和合作生产50座级涡扇支线飞机。这样，未来新产品速度之快、型号之多，将在中国航空工业历史上写上令人兴奋的一笔。

ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-22 11:33


    拿多久以前的纸面规划要来否定现在的事实吗?知道计画赶不上变化这句话吧! 目前无论是国内的中文报道或是国外的报道，Z15/EC-175都已是七吨级别的了

alex182 发表于 2010-12-22 09:09


    真改成前三点了么？

alex182 发表于 2010-12-22 09:09

版主，这个算是爆料吗？

ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-22 07:49

你要黑哈飞，说哈飞不行，所以造成Z-15/EC-175超重吗?那岂不是把合作伙伴欧直公司当是吃干饭的! Z-15/EC-175要真超重那么多，也别想在国际市场开卖了! 欧直公司肯定不会同意! 比较合理的解释是~~哈飞与欧直两家公司在合作研制过程中，发觉原先瞄准的市场竞争对手阿古斯特-威斯特兰公司的AW-139正不断在升级，所以Z-15/EC-175也随之升级。不过显然对手更狠，最后干脆出了一款8吨级的AW-149

这个······和欧洲合作的，能直接军用么？

qooqoo98 发表于 2010-12-22 12:21

您真能扣帽子，AW139是4.5吨级通用直升机，载员10人；AW149是8.1吨级军用型通用直升机，载员18人，是拿来和黑鹰竞争土耳其的大单的。差别太大了吧。我只不是说了几句Z15从5.5吨级到6吨级然后又到7吨级的话，要么就是技术指标再不断的提升，要么就是超重问题造成的，难道有错么？我又没肯定的说就是哈飞的超重问题导致的。你怎么就觉得是黑哈飞了？我哪里说哈飞不行了？我哪里黑哈飞了？你就不能踏踏实实的在CD空版讨论问题么？动不动就扣帽子玩，你家是卖帽子的？

直15军用前景到底怎么样还要取决它的国产化进程，个人不看好！
直接上10T什么都有了 ，5年也差不多了！！

就那模型，看起来也没有10吨的规格。除非把本来用复合材料的地方换成了钢材料。

ztz99a 发表于 2010-12-22 12:46
AW139的Gross weight都已是6400 kg这一级的了，在你口中居然还是4.5吨级通用直升机!你从军事_凤凰网抄来的吧？最大起飞重量为8.1吨的AW149就是8吨那一级的，目前的AW149验证机就是在AW139基础上改的!有人显然连这个都不知道

(AW139 (long nose)
Data from [2]

General characteristics

Crew: 1 to 2
Capacity: 15 passengers
Length: 13.77 m (45 ft 2 in)
Main rotor diameter: × 13.8 m (45 ft 3 in)
Width: 3.04 m (10 ft 0 in)
Height: 3.72 m (12 ft 2 in)
Empty weight: 3622 kg (7985 lb)
Gross weight: 6400 kg (14110 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67C free turbine turboshaft engine, 1142 kW (1531 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 310 km/h (193 mph)
Range: 1061 km (573 miles)
Service ceiling: 6098 m (20,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 10.9 m/s (2140 ft/min)

AGUSTAWESTLAND AW139:
   _____________________   _________________   _______________________

   spec                    metric              english
   _____________________   _________________   _______________________

   main rotor diameter     13.8 meters         45 feet 3 inch
   tail rotor diameter     2.69 meters         8 feet 10 inches
   fuselage length         13.53 meters        44 feet 5 inches
   footprint length        16.66 meters        54 feet 8 inches
   height                  4.95 meters         16 feet 3 inches

   empty equipped weight   3,950 kilograms     8,710 pounds
   max loaded weight       6,400 kilograms     14,110 pounds

   maximum speed           309 KPH             192 MPH / 157 KT
   ceiling                 6,095 meters        20,000 feet
   range                   1,020 kilometers    630 MI / 550 NMI
   _____________________   _________________   _______________________

   Weight specs as per VIP transport configuration.


-------------------------------

之前的确是记错了

楼开始有点歪了，Z15不管是多少T都是5-8T这一级通用机里的唯一选项。P神说10T的山寨黑鹰已立项，PUPU也透露过类似消息，但话说有了MI-171、Z-15和AC313的生产线之后，就军用来说，还有必要专门山寨黑鹰吗？如果为民用，这原始设计就是为了陆军突击用的黑鹰没有后货舱门，山寨化之后在客货运方面远不如AC313灵便，唯一的优势就是双发和较轻的自重带来了较低成本。

kamille 发表于 2010-12-22 13:15


    乃没有算空运能力 黑鹰进C130和C17可是不错的选择哟。

qooqoo98 发表于 2010-12-22 13:09

这个我没有否认啊，最开始的感觉就是技术指标大幅度提升了而已

这种直升机为啥要“扁”？

回复 17# alex182


    在加个后门。。。

peishens 发表于 2010-12-22 13:24


    不错 给力 以后舰载机的标配又出来了。美帝的是，那土鳖的以后的也是。

学黑鹰的构型还是通用概念？
动力包旋翼系统？
紧凑适装概念？
2013这个节点值得期待

171山寨能吃透要这个东东作甚

绿林好汉 发表于 2010-12-22 13:34


    装进运输飞机长途转场

alex182 发表于 2010-12-22 09:09
爆料？