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最近是很热闹,但有的新闻注定是要被国内主流媒体漠视的。

非主流的简短报道:

教皇的天文学家表示愿为ET举行施洗礼

英国《卫报》报道,梵蒂冈天文学家Guy Consolmagno说,外星人可能有灵魂,如果他们与人类相遇可以决定是否被施洗。

Consolmagno表示,如果人类能在繁星中发现智能生命他将会十分高兴。但是发现生命,生命是否拥有智能,以及我们是否能与它们进行通信,各种可能因素加起来使得讨论外星人接触不是一个具有实际意义的问题。Consolmagno称,传统的灵魂定义是拥有智能、自由意志、爱的自由和作出决定的自由。但他认为,任何独立存在物——不管他有多少个触手——都有灵魂,如果外星人要求,也可以举行施洗礼。Consolmagno是通过阅读科幻小说对科学产生了兴趣,他声称梵蒂冈对最新的科学动态了如指掌。Consolmagno还驳斥了将智能设计视作创世论伪科学的观点,声称创世论这个词被美国的一小群创世原教旨主义劫持了,缩小了它原本的意义。

http://science.solidot.org/science/10/09/21/0320227.shtml

英文详细报道:

Pope's Astronomer Would Baptize ET

(Sept. 24) – If extraterrestrials exist, then they may have souls, and if they'd like to be baptized, a Vatican astronomer has offered to reach out and touch them.

"I'd be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found intelligent life elsewhere," Guy Consolmagno, a planetary scientist at the Vatican observatory, told The Guardian.

Speaking just before last week's British Science Festival, Consolmagno, curator of Pope Benedict XVI's meteorite collection, suggested that the odds of the human race finding and being able to communicate with aliens are probably astronomical, but it's an idea that expands the concept of religion.

"God is bigger than just humanity. God is also the god of angels. Any entity, no matter how many tentacles it has, has a soul," Consolmagno said.

And his is not the only religious voice speaking out on the possibility that we're not alone in the universe.

"I think the Vatican is very much with the position that there may be other life in the universe -- I think they're OK with that," retired Presbyterian minister Barry Downing told AOL News.

"Not only does Guy Consolmagno's statement point to that, but you've had [Vatican senior exorcist and demonologist] Corrado Balducci saying for some time that UFOs are real and come from the natural world, not the supernatural world, so he makes that distinction."

Speaking from his Endwell, N.Y., home, Downing, author of "The Bible and Flying Saucers" (Marlowe), said the idea of baptizing aliens, from a biblical point of view, is a matter that needs discussion.

"On the one hand, you could say, 'No, you shouldn't do it,' because in Matthew 28, Jesus gave a commandment, 'Go you, therefore, baptize all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.' Jesus didn't say, 'Go baptize all planets.'

"So, the commandment is restrictive, and, therefore there's no need to worry about baptizing aliens if they show up."

Downing says the bigger question is: How do we know aliens are going to need to be baptized?

"The Christian message is, the spirit of God wishes to enter into you and be part of your life, and when you're baptized, the promise is that that has happened," he said.

"The question I would ask is, If we've got some type of an extraterrestrial reality flying around our skies in a universe that's 13 billion years old, don't we need to face the possibility that this reality -- whatever it is -- might be millions of years ahead of us? And why would we suppose that they would not already have the Holy Spirit and therefore not need to be baptized by the Church?"

Last November, at a Vatican-sponsored astrobiology conference, scientists gathered to discuss the possibility and implications of alien life. The five-day event was sanctioned by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

Jose Gabriel Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, had previously stated that the existence of intelligent ETs would pose no conflict to Catholic theology. He suggested that many forms of life might be thriving throughout the cosmos.

"This is not in contradiction with our faith, because we cannot establish limits to God's creative freedom," he told the Vatican's L'Osservatore Romano newspaper in 2008.

"If we consider earthly creatures as brothers and sisters, why could we not speak of a brother alien? He would also belong to the Creation," Funes speculated.

Whether or not our alien brothers and sisters decide to visit Earth, Downing isn't convinced they would need our help with whatever souls they might have.

Sponsored Links "I'm skeptical that any aliens that show up would be godless -- in our sense of the term -- and therefore I would be skeptical that there'd be a need to baptize them, but time would tell."

So is the Vatican inching closer to some sort of full disclosure about extraterrestrial life? And if contact is made with otherworldly creatures, would Consolmagno still be serious about baptizing an alien?

"Only if they asked," he said.

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-new ... baptize-et/19643155

善与恶的斗争很激烈。

'Pope Nope': A Cool Welcome for Benedict in Britain

Pope Benedict XVI is embarking on a missionary journey to the UK in a bid to get the heathen Brits back into the fold. ……

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,717328,00.html

Why is Pope Benedict XVI visiting Britain?
…… So why, aged 83 and happier at home, is the professorial vicar of Christ on earth stepping into the lion's den? ……

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORL ... al.visit/index.html

最近是很热闹,但有的新闻注定是要被国内主流媒体漠视的。

非主流的简短报道:

教皇的天文学家表示愿为ET举行施洗礼

英国《卫报》报道,梵蒂冈天文学家Guy Consolmagno说,外星人可能有灵魂,如果他们与人类相遇可以决定是否被施洗。

Consolmagno表示,如果人类能在繁星中发现智能生命他将会十分高兴。但是发现生命,生命是否拥有智能,以及我们是否能与它们进行通信,各种可能因素加起来使得讨论外星人接触不是一个具有实际意义的问题。Consolmagno称,传统的灵魂定义是拥有智能、自由意志、爱的自由和作出决定的自由。但他认为,任何独立存在物——不管他有多少个触手——都有灵魂,如果外星人要求,也可以举行施洗礼。Consolmagno是通过阅读科幻小说对科学产生了兴趣,他声称梵蒂冈对最新的科学动态了如指掌。Consolmagno还驳斥了将智能设计视作创世论伪科学的观点,声称创世论这个词被美国的一小群创世原教旨主义劫持了,缩小了它原本的意义。

http://science.solidot.org/science/10/09/21/0320227.shtml

英文详细报道:

Pope's Astronomer Would Baptize ET

(Sept. 24) – If extraterrestrials exist, then they may have souls, and if they'd like to be baptized, a Vatican astronomer has offered to reach out and touch them.

"I'd be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found intelligent life elsewhere," Guy Consolmagno, a planetary scientist at the Vatican observatory, told The Guardian.

Speaking just before last week's British Science Festival, Consolmagno, curator of Pope Benedict XVI's meteorite collection, suggested that the odds of the human race finding and being able to communicate with aliens are probably astronomical, but it's an idea that expands the concept of religion.

"God is bigger than just humanity. God is also the god of angels. Any entity, no matter how many tentacles it has, has a soul," Consolmagno said.

And his is not the only religious voice speaking out on the possibility that we're not alone in the universe.

"I think the Vatican is very much with the position that there may be other life in the universe -- I think they're OK with that," retired Presbyterian minister Barry Downing told AOL News.

"Not only does Guy Consolmagno's statement point to that, but you've had [Vatican senior exorcist and demonologist] Corrado Balducci saying for some time that UFOs are real and come from the natural world, not the supernatural world, so he makes that distinction."

Speaking from his Endwell, N.Y., home, Downing, author of "The Bible and Flying Saucers" (Marlowe), said the idea of baptizing aliens, from a biblical point of view, is a matter that needs discussion.

"On the one hand, you could say, 'No, you shouldn't do it,' because in Matthew 28, Jesus gave a commandment, 'Go you, therefore, baptize all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.' Jesus didn't say, 'Go baptize all planets.'

"So, the commandment is restrictive, and, therefore there's no need to worry about baptizing aliens if they show up."

Downing says the bigger question is: How do we know aliens are going to need to be baptized?

"The Christian message is, the spirit of God wishes to enter into you and be part of your life, and when you're baptized, the promise is that that has happened," he said.

"The question I would ask is, If we've got some type of an extraterrestrial reality flying around our skies in a universe that's 13 billion years old, don't we need to face the possibility that this reality -- whatever it is -- might be millions of years ahead of us? And why would we suppose that they would not already have the Holy Spirit and therefore not need to be baptized by the Church?"

Last November, at a Vatican-sponsored astrobiology conference, scientists gathered to discuss the possibility and implications of alien life. The five-day event was sanctioned by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

Jose Gabriel Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, had previously stated that the existence of intelligent ETs would pose no conflict to Catholic theology. He suggested that many forms of life might be thriving throughout the cosmos.

"This is not in contradiction with our faith, because we cannot establish limits to God's creative freedom," he told the Vatican's L'Osservatore Romano newspaper in 2008.

"If we consider earthly creatures as brothers and sisters, why could we not speak of a brother alien? He would also belong to the Creation," Funes speculated.

Whether or not our alien brothers and sisters decide to visit Earth, Downing isn't convinced they would need our help with whatever souls they might have.

Sponsored Links "I'm skeptical that any aliens that show up would be godless -- in our sense of the term -- and therefore I would be skeptical that there'd be a need to baptize them, but time would tell."

So is the Vatican inching closer to some sort of full disclosure about extraterrestrial life? And if contact is made with otherworldly creatures, would Consolmagno still be serious about baptizing an alien?

"Only if they asked," he said.

http://www.aolnews.com/weird-new ... baptize-et/19643155

善与恶的斗争很激烈。

'Pope Nope': A Cool Welcome for Benedict in Britain

Pope Benedict XVI is embarking on a missionary journey to the UK in a bid to get the heathen Brits back into the fold. ……

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,717328,00.html

Why is Pope Benedict XVI visiting Britain?
…… So why, aged 83 and happier at home, is the professorial vicar of Christ on earth stepping into the lion's den? ……

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORL ... al.visit/index.html
这个算不算吃饱撑的{:3_98:}
pzhjsy 发表于 2010-9-29 10:33
呵呵,等着霍金这些伪装成世俗主义者的邪恶的达尔文主义者召唤来的残酷的外星人来捕杀你吧 :b
教会反对达尔文主义者当然有对它自身的一定利益诉求,但不能因此就漠视它反对达尔文主义的立场。
pzhjsy 发表于 2010-9-29 10:33


    绝对同意!
xudatong 发表于 2010-9-29 10:52
让霍金这些伪装成世俗主义者的邪恶的达尔文主义者召唤来的残酷的外星人来捕杀你,我也绝对同意。对你没责任的。
汗,教皇势力直达天顶星了。
外星教皇带着自己的卫队把梵蒂冈洗了

汗,教皇势力直达天顶星了。
元_帅 发表于 2010-10-3 16:18

:D Predator(铁血战士)以后的续集中加入天顶星人元素可能会是很好的卖点。
汗,教皇势力直达天顶星了。
元_帅 发表于 2010-10-3 16:18

:D Predator(铁血战士)以后的续集中加入天顶星人元素可能会是很好的卖点。
谨观慎言 发表于 2010-10-3 16:32
恐怖分子才会有这样的想像。
就算有外星人,其中也有正派正信正教等等等正,与邪对抗。如果有,希望这些正人早点把霍金这等散播恐怖邪恶的人等抓起来。 :victory: :D
先下手为强

乖乖小ET,来俺这嘎就这规矩
et纷纷表示压力很大
一天,几只蚂蚁商量说:我们给人类搞个洗礼,让他们归依我们吧!:D

一天,几只蚂蚁商量说:我们给人类搞个洗礼,让他们归依我们吧!
激光制导炸弹 发表于 2010-10-7 22:28

你一定是入过蚂蚁的什么宗教才会有这样的认识。自比蚂蚁,你真够谦卑的。
一天,几只蚂蚁商量说:我们给人类搞个洗礼,让他们归依我们吧!
激光制导炸弹 发表于 2010-10-7 22:28

你一定是入过蚂蚁的什么宗教才会有这样的认识。自比蚂蚁,你真够谦卑的。
看起来更像是天主教神父们开始对外星人小男孩的菊花感兴趣了哪……
虚伪的小棒棒也要跨越人类?
万一外星人是食人族,我建议教皇第一个去给他们布道。


这是抢占地盘

这是抢占地盘
如果遇见信真主的外星人呢?

这是抢占地盘
bjnr 发表于 2010-10-18 19:55

呵呵,本月17号,教皇册封了第一个(英联邦国家)澳大利亚的圣徒。一个历史性的进展。

Pope canonizes first Australian saint, 5 others

By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer Nicole Winfield, Associated Press Writer – Sun Oct 17, 11:55 am ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_vatican_saints
这是抢占地盘
bjnr 发表于 2010-10-18 19:55

呵呵,本月17号,教皇册封了第一个(英联邦国家)澳大利亚的圣徒。一个历史性的进展。

Pope canonizes first Australian saint, 5 others

By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer Nicole Winfield, Associated Press Writer – Sun Oct 17, 11:55 am ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_vatican_saints
教会越来越堕落
ET说你那教会就是我建立的上帝就是我,还是我来给你洗礼吧。
ET表示蛋定
激光制导炸弹 发表于 2010-10-7 22:28


    此皈依非彼归依
联合国,霍金,教皇,三件事情联系到一起的话会比较有意思,说明飞碟钓鱼系统应该实用化了,只是会不会引来外星人的报复就很难说了。。

唉,空间传送看来还是遥遥无期~
如果ET死活不信上帝怎么办?
deanf22 发表于 2010-10-23 09:47
塞亚人表示压力很大。。。。