对回回炮突然感兴趣了

国外的著作描述也是类似帝国2的那种重型投石车


国外的著作描述也是类似帝国2的那种重型投石车

我国的文档绘制如下：


我国的文档绘制如下：

这个千万不能提，提了，要被围攻的，某些人会举出证据证明因为蒙古造不出宋的无敌投石机，才去造msl的破烂玩意的

回回炮操作据说更是简练，结构上是怎样实现呢？它于我国传统的投石机有何不同呢？

都是利用杠杆原理抛出石弹，但中国传统的投石车是靠人力下拉，而抛石机是利用重物下坠（见3楼的图），所需人力少而射程更远、石弹更重。
因此中国传统的投石车更接近抛石机Trebuchet，而不是希腊罗马式的投石车Catapult/Onager，两者的区别在帝国2等游戏里描述得还是比较清楚的。

回回炮操作据说更是简练，结构上是怎样实现呢？它于我国传统的投石机有何不同呢？
人畜无害小白兔 发表于 2010-3-24 00:29

都是利用杠杆原理抛出石弹，但中国传统的投石车是靠人力下拉，而抛石机是利用重物下坠（见3楼的图），所需人力少而射程更远、石弹更重。
因此中国传统的投石车更接近抛石机Trebuchet，而不是希腊罗马式的投石车Catapult/Onager，两者的区别在帝国2等游戏里描述得还是比较清楚的。

回回炮是当时YSL世界已普遍使用的“平衡砣式投石机”，
阿拉伯、中东关于此兵器的记录应该有很多
西欧人应该也知道，十字军东征见过那东东

楼主看这个


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
这里有非常详细的介绍


Counterweight trebuchets do not appear with certainty in Chinese historical records until about 1268, when the Mongols laid siege to Fancheng and Xiangyang. At the Siege of Fancheng and Xiangyang, the Mongol army, unable to capture the cities despite besieging the Song defenders for years, brought in two Persian engineers who built hinged counterweight trebuchets and soon reduced the cities to rubble, forcing the surrender of the garrison. These engines were called by the Chinese historians the Huihui Pao (回回砲)("huihui" means Muslim) or Xiangyang Pao (襄陽砲), because they were first encountered in that battle. Recent research by Paul E. Chevedden indicates that the hui-hui pao was actually a European design, a double-counterweight engine that had been introduced to the Levant by Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II (1210–1250) only shortly before.[11] The Muslim historian Rashid-al-Din Hamadani (1247?–1318) refers in his universal history to the Mongol trebuchets used at the Song cities as "Frankish" or "European trebuchets" ("manjaniq ifranji" or "manjaniq firanji"):

楼主看这个


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
这里有非常详细的介绍


Counterweight trebuchets do not appear with certainty in Chinese historical records until about 1268, when the Mongols laid siege to Fancheng and Xiangyang. At the Siege of Fancheng and Xiangyang, the Mongol army, unable to capture the cities despite besieging the Song defenders for years, brought in two Persian engineers who built hinged counterweight trebuchets and soon reduced the cities to rubble, forcing the surrender of the garrison. These engines were called by the Chinese historians the Huihui Pao (回回砲)("huihui" means Muslim) or Xiangyang Pao (襄陽砲), because they were first encountered in that battle. Recent research by Paul E. Chevedden indicates that the hui-hui pao was actually a European design, a double-counterweight engine that had been introduced to the Levant by Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II (1210–1250) only shortly before.[11] The Muslim historian Rashid-al-Din Hamadani (1247?–1318) refers in his universal history to the Mongol trebuchets used at the Song cities as "Frankish" or "European trebuchets" ("manjaniq ifranji" or "manjaniq firanji"):

http://bbs.mountblade.com.cn/vie ... &extra=page%3D4

嗯，谢谢楼上的好图，不知除了襄阳一战我国还在那些战场出现过这玩意儿