巴基斯坦网友爆料59改坦克被塔利班击毁内幕（ZT）

编译：阿道夫二世（虽说和阿二扯上了点关系，但是俺认为此文还是比较客观的）

网络流传的图片显示，在巴军方打击塔利班的军事行动中，有1或2辆59改坦克被击毁（巴称“Al-zarrar”）。对此，国内网友对59系列坦克进行的无情批判。

我也在研究此事。工夫不负有心人，我找到了巴基斯坦陆军论坛上一个网友的帖子，他比较详细的介绍了一辆59改被击毁的经过。

他是用英文撰写的。由于我的英文水平为4级60分，而且不排除他的水平也和我相当，因此，写的不清楚加上我读不懂，翻译起来更费劲。我利用金山词霸、雅虎翻译做了意译，请大家凑合着看。有高手请指正。
“太平盛世出癞犬，战祸连年现英雄！”--称霸江湖现在开始!

巴基斯坦网友“mani395”

《How Al-zarrar Mbt Was Destroyed , at least six suicide attack attempts within span of 15 minutes》

主标题：“艾拉扎”是怎样被击毁的？

副标题：15分钟内至少6次自杀式攻击

发表于：2009年5月24日下午2时17分



Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani announced summoning of the Pakistan army to crush militancy and terrorism in Swat and Malakand with an iron hand and vowed to establish the writ of the government at all costs.

（总理拉扎赛义德优素福吉拉尼下令巴基斯坦军队镇压斯瓦特和马拉的地区的武装叛乱和恐怖主义铁腕，并誓言不惜一切代价。）



Addressing the nation on radio and television Prime Minister Gilani said time had come to take serious action against the militants who had disrupted peace and tranquility in parts of NWFP. "Army is being called in for upholding the sanctity and national integrity, for elimination of militants and to ensure security of the people," Prime Minister Gilani said.

吉拉尼发表电视讲话说，现在已经到了采取严厉行动，打击武装分子，恢复西北边境省部分地区和平与安宁的时候。“军队的使命，是为了维护国家的神圣和完整，对消除武装，并确保人民安全。”



Since then Pakistan army has been using its Al-Zarrar MBT for precision day night attack capability and recently we have been able to watch the video in which an Al-Zarrar tank was shown destroyed.

（自那时以来，巴基斯坦军队一直在高强度的使用其Zarrar主战坦克最近我们已经能够观看视频，其中一辆Zarrar坦克表明被毁。）



Many claims have been made about the destruction of these tanks and how this will affect the moral of Pakistani army in Swat and FATA。 But what was unknown until now was the fact how this tank was destroyed?

（许多人声称，这些被击毁的坦克将影响到巴基斯坦军方在斯瓦特和FATA地区的士气。但是，没人知道这些坦克是如何被摧毁的？



It was part of small force at the front to make first contact with the militants along with force of around 35 personals of Pakistani army. It was ambushed from three sides of the mountainous road and has to face at least six suicide attack attempts within span of 15 minutes along with attacks through improvised explosive devices that were buried in their way. Crew of the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT survived without injuries and tank was recovered as neither turret of chassis of Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated which also proved the recent upgrade was successful. Survival of the crew form the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT is also going to be a major moral booster for the crew as they will have more confidence in the crew protection capability of the tank.

（这是巴军一只小型先头部队与武装分子第一次正面交战，巴军有35个人。这是一次伏击，发生在山区公路，敌人从三个方向发动攻击，在15分钟内至少发动了6次自杀式攻击。一个简易爆炸装置{或称“遥控爆炸装置”、“自制爆炸装置”}被埋设在公路上。坦克被炸毁，但是乘员没有受到伤害，坦克的底盘、炮塔被证明值得信赖，也证明了Al - Zarrar主战坦克最近的升级是成功的。这对于坦克乘员的信心是巨大的鼓舞，因为他们相信他们的坦克有能力保护他们的安全）



According to the soldiers participating in this furious battle fought in first week of this recent attempt by the Pakistan army to clear out the areas from Taliban militants , they were attacked from three sides by different militant groups that have divided themselves into smaller groups of four to five.

（根据参战士兵介绍，战斗发生在开战后的第一个星期，塔利班武装分子分成4、5股，从三个方向发动了攻击。）



First attack was through improvise explosive devices which resulted in destruction of the tanks and afterwards Taliban started firing at them, they say that it was very difficult for them to access the direction of the fire and strength of the enemy.

（塔利班第一次攻击是通过爆炸装置炸毁坦克，后又进行猛烈的射击。巴军士兵说，他们面对着地形占优、火力猛烈的敌人。



Soldiers involved in this fight say that it took us some time to estimate their positions and after that we started counter attack by sending our troops to surround them.

（参战士兵说，我们花了一些时间判断敌情，然后开始反击，派遣战斗小组包围他们。）



Taliban felt the heat and started second part of the attack to scatter and destroy the advance party of Pakistan army, they launched one of their front end weapon against this small advance party; suicide bombers.

（塔利班很狂热，并开始了第二波攻击，试图消灭巴军分散的战斗小组，他们发射了火箭筒{也可能是“迫击炮”，原文“front end weapon”}，并进行了自杀式攻击。）



Because of the magnitude of this attack, one can easily describe it as the largest suicide attack in Pakistan if not the largest in the world, mounted against a small force in shuch a limited time. This attack involved at least six different vehicles and three motor bikes filled with explosives and driven by suicide bombers within short span of time of only fifteen minutes.

（这次战斗很激烈，对于一只小部队来说，可以认为是面对了一次规模最大的自杀式攻击。在很短的、只有15分钟的时间内，至少6辆汽车和3辆摩托发动了袭击，都装满炸药和自杀式炸弹{或称“遥控炸弹”}。）



Pakistani soldiers first gave them warnings to stop as they thought these were civilian vehicles, but later on they recognized the threat in time and started firing at them, most of these vehicles were destroyed but due to high speed these did at front line vehicles of this small military force.

（巴基斯坦士兵首先向他们警告、制止，因为他们认为这些都是民用车辆。但后来他们认识到威胁的时候，开始射击他们，这些车辆大部分被摧毁，但由于速度快，并没有阻止这些车辆冲到眼前。）



According to the commanding officer of this advance force, they were very fortunate that none of their troop involved in this operation was killed and all thirty five of them were able to survive this attack.

（据这只部队的指挥官说，他们很幸运，他的部队没有人在这次行动中被打死，所有35人这次袭击后都生存了下来。）



This report is based on the program of AAJ TV which included the interviews of the Pakistani army personals involved

（这份报告根据，包括美洲法学家协会电视台等新闻机构对巴基斯坦参战士兵的采访。）



我的说明：

我有两处没翻译明白

1. Crew of the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT survived without injuries and tank was recovered as neither turret of chassis of Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated which also proved the recent upgrade was successful.

在这个长句中，“Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated”不好理解。上下文的意思是，对坦克是赞许的态度，但是，“was penetrated”有“被穿透”的意思，也有“被深入了解”的意思。如果译成“被击穿”，显然与上下文意思不符。请高手指点。



2. they launched one of their front end weapon

“their front end weapon”是什么武器？我觉得好象是一种前端装填的武器，有可能是火箭筒，也可能是迫击炮。请高手指点。



对于“mani395”的文章，其他网友也发表了意见。



网友“aziqbal”，来自苏格兰“中国和巴基斯坦盟军战火兄弟连”：

is this Al Zarrar if so its a good tank looks great!（如果是这样，Al Zarrar坦克看上去很棒！）



网友“Londo Molari ”， 来自加拿大：

I think that picture is Al-Zarrar, but I'm not sure.我认为，图片是 Al Zarrar ，但我不敢肯定。

Yeah, from the original picture of the damaged tank, we all commented that the tank was largely intact, so its excellent to hear that the crew was unhurt.是的，看损坏坦克的图片，我们大家都评论说，该坦克基本上是完整的，因此，其高兴地听到机组人员没有受伤。 A morale boost indeed. 确实提升士气。 Perhaps this was an even bigger morale boost than losing 0 tanks.也许这是一个更大的收获，相比失去一辆坦克。 Because then there would always be doubt of safety, but now crews can feel more secure, and be more effective.因为总会有对安全性的疑问的，但现在工作人员可以感到更安全，而且更加有效。



网友“ali23”：

It is Al-Zarrar.这是Al-Zarrar。

Pakistanis you have disappointed me.巴基斯坦人，我对你失望。

I take pity on those 45 million people who did not cast vote for a change.我怜悯这4500万人投谁不投改变。

（对他的发言我没理解，他是“民主逗士”，还是呼吁不要支持塔利班？）

   

网友“_kiLLuminati_ ”：

Was it the tank that was ambushed from three sides or the whole platoon?有人说，坦克遭到伏击，从三面或整个排？



网友“Glock cocked”：

Londo Molari is correct it is going to be a big moral booster to know that crew was safe even when tank was destroyed.

Londo Molari是正确的，这将是一个巨大的鼓舞，乘员安全，即使坦克被摧毁。



网友“blueazure”：

^^ also newly designed turret instead of the old inverted frying pan type on the T 59 .. ^ ^还新设计的炮塔，而不是旧的倒煎锅类型的T 59

.. the gun is a 125 smooth bore instead of the 100mm gun on the original T 59。炮是125，而不是100毫米炮。



我的评论：

巴基斯坦网友的言论值得参考。从目前掌握的图片看，起码有三辆59改被击毁，巴基斯坦网友介绍了其中一辆的损失经过。



图片显示，59改是遭到突然袭击时被击毁的，主炮均指向正前方；侧面受创严重，主要在行走部分；彻底烧毁，表面漆剥落，没有引起弹药殉爆；仓盖基本打开，似人员成功逃生（有一辆驾驶员仓盖是否打开看不清）。侧面被击中，M1A1也不敢保证不被击毁，因此，59改的表现不应该算很差。



有一份材料介绍了我军坦克（59式、69式）在对越作战时的表现：

“该部坦克和装甲车总数约４７辆，有４８辆次战损和淤陷，其中有４０辆次经现场抢救抢修后再次参战。”

“我装甲部队参战坦克和装甲车约５００辆，淤陷４０８辆次，可现场抢救战损５３３辆次，可后送战损３２辆。另外，有４４辆坦克和装甲车被越军彻底击毁，经过处置后遗弃。”



上述数字可以说明，59坦克就是坦克，是钢铁制成的，不是泥捏的，当然，想不受任何损失也是不可能的。尽管，不能据此说59改有多强悍，但是，起码可以证明59改并不是很菜。



编译：阿道夫二世（虽说和阿二扯上了点关系，但是俺认为此文还是比较客观的）

网络流传的图片显示，在巴军方打击塔利班的军事行动中，有1或2辆59改坦克被击毁（巴称“Al-zarrar”）。对此，国内网友对59系列坦克进行的无情批判。

我也在研究此事。工夫不负有心人，我找到了巴基斯坦陆军论坛上一个网友的帖子，他比较详细的介绍了一辆59改被击毁的经过。

他是用英文撰写的。由于我的英文水平为4级60分，而且不排除他的水平也和我相当，因此，写的不清楚加上我读不懂，翻译起来更费劲。我利用金山词霸、雅虎翻译做了意译，请大家凑合着看。有高手请指正。
“太平盛世出癞犬，战祸连年现英雄！”--称霸江湖现在开始!

巴基斯坦网友“mani395”

《How Al-zarrar Mbt Was Destroyed , at least six suicide attack attempts within span of 15 minutes》

主标题：“艾拉扎”是怎样被击毁的？

副标题：15分钟内至少6次自杀式攻击

发表于：2009年5月24日下午2时17分



Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani announced summoning of the Pakistan army to crush militancy and terrorism in Swat and Malakand with an iron hand and vowed to establish the writ of the government at all costs.

（总理拉扎赛义德优素福吉拉尼下令巴基斯坦军队镇压斯瓦特和马拉的地区的武装叛乱和恐怖主义铁腕，并誓言不惜一切代价。）



Addressing the nation on radio and television Prime Minister Gilani said time had come to take serious action against the militants who had disrupted peace and tranquility in parts of NWFP. "Army is being called in for upholding the sanctity and national integrity, for elimination of militants and to ensure security of the people," Prime Minister Gilani said.

吉拉尼发表电视讲话说，现在已经到了采取严厉行动，打击武装分子，恢复西北边境省部分地区和平与安宁的时候。“军队的使命，是为了维护国家的神圣和完整，对消除武装，并确保人民安全。”



Since then Pakistan army has been using its Al-Zarrar MBT for precision day night attack capability and recently we have been able to watch the video in which an Al-Zarrar tank was shown destroyed.

（自那时以来，巴基斯坦军队一直在高强度的使用其Zarrar主战坦克最近我们已经能够观看视频，其中一辆Zarrar坦克表明被毁。）



Many claims have been made about the destruction of these tanks and how this will affect the moral of Pakistani army in Swat and FATA。 But what was unknown until now was the fact how this tank was destroyed?

（许多人声称，这些被击毁的坦克将影响到巴基斯坦军方在斯瓦特和FATA地区的士气。但是，没人知道这些坦克是如何被摧毁的？



It was part of small force at the front to make first contact with the militants along with force of around 35 personals of Pakistani army. It was ambushed from three sides of the mountainous road and has to face at least six suicide attack attempts within span of 15 minutes along with attacks through improvised explosive devices that were buried in their way. Crew of the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT survived without injuries and tank was recovered as neither turret of chassis of Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated which also proved the recent upgrade was successful. Survival of the crew form the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT is also going to be a major moral booster for the crew as they will have more confidence in the crew protection capability of the tank.

（这是巴军一只小型先头部队与武装分子第一次正面交战，巴军有35个人。这是一次伏击，发生在山区公路，敌人从三个方向发动攻击，在15分钟内至少发动了6次自杀式攻击。一个简易爆炸装置{或称“遥控爆炸装置”、“自制爆炸装置”}被埋设在公路上。坦克被炸毁，但是乘员没有受到伤害，坦克的底盘、炮塔被证明值得信赖，也证明了Al - Zarrar主战坦克最近的升级是成功的。这对于坦克乘员的信心是巨大的鼓舞，因为他们相信他们的坦克有能力保护他们的安全）



According to the soldiers participating in this furious battle fought in first week of this recent attempt by the Pakistan army to clear out the areas from Taliban militants , they were attacked from three sides by different militant groups that have divided themselves into smaller groups of four to five.

（根据参战士兵介绍，战斗发生在开战后的第一个星期，塔利班武装分子分成4、5股，从三个方向发动了攻击。）



First attack was through improvise explosive devices which resulted in destruction of the tanks and afterwards Taliban started firing at them, they say that it was very difficult for them to access the direction of the fire and strength of the enemy.

（塔利班第一次攻击是通过爆炸装置炸毁坦克，后又进行猛烈的射击。巴军士兵说，他们面对着地形占优、火力猛烈的敌人。



Soldiers involved in this fight say that it took us some time to estimate their positions and after that we started counter attack by sending our troops to surround them.

（参战士兵说，我们花了一些时间判断敌情，然后开始反击，派遣战斗小组包围他们。）



Taliban felt the heat and started second part of the attack to scatter and destroy the advance party of Pakistan army, they launched one of their front end weapon against this small advance party; suicide bombers.

（塔利班很狂热，并开始了第二波攻击，试图消灭巴军分散的战斗小组，他们发射了火箭筒{也可能是“迫击炮”，原文“front end weapon”}，并进行了自杀式攻击。）



Because of the magnitude of this attack, one can easily describe it as the largest suicide attack in Pakistan if not the largest in the world, mounted against a small force in shuch a limited time. This attack involved at least six different vehicles and three motor bikes filled with explosives and driven by suicide bombers within short span of time of only fifteen minutes.

（这次战斗很激烈，对于一只小部队来说，可以认为是面对了一次规模最大的自杀式攻击。在很短的、只有15分钟的时间内，至少6辆汽车和3辆摩托发动了袭击，都装满炸药和自杀式炸弹{或称“遥控炸弹”}。）



Pakistani soldiers first gave them warnings to stop as they thought these were civilian vehicles, but later on they recognized the threat in time and started firing at them, most of these vehicles were destroyed but due to high speed these did at front line vehicles of this small military force.

（巴基斯坦士兵首先向他们警告、制止，因为他们认为这些都是民用车辆。但后来他们认识到威胁的时候，开始射击他们，这些车辆大部分被摧毁，但由于速度快，并没有阻止这些车辆冲到眼前。）



According to the commanding officer of this advance force, they were very fortunate that none of their troop involved in this operation was killed and all thirty five of them were able to survive this attack.

（据这只部队的指挥官说，他们很幸运，他的部队没有人在这次行动中被打死，所有35人这次袭击后都生存了下来。）



This report is based on the program of AAJ TV which included the interviews of the Pakistani army personals involved

（这份报告根据，包括美洲法学家协会电视台等新闻机构对巴基斯坦参战士兵的采访。）



我的说明：

我有两处没翻译明白

1. Crew of the destroyed Al-Zarrar MBT survived without injuries and tank was recovered as neither turret of chassis of Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated which also proved the recent upgrade was successful.

在这个长句中，“Al-Zarrar MBT was penetrated”不好理解。上下文的意思是，对坦克是赞许的态度，但是，“was penetrated”有“被穿透”的意思，也有“被深入了解”的意思。如果译成“被击穿”，显然与上下文意思不符。请高手指点。



2. they launched one of their front end weapon

“their front end weapon”是什么武器？我觉得好象是一种前端装填的武器，有可能是火箭筒，也可能是迫击炮。请高手指点。



对于“mani395”的文章，其他网友也发表了意见。



网友“aziqbal”，来自苏格兰“中国和巴基斯坦盟军战火兄弟连”：

is this Al Zarrar if so its a good tank looks great!（如果是这样，Al Zarrar坦克看上去很棒！）



网友“Londo Molari ”， 来自加拿大：

I think that picture is Al-Zarrar, but I'm not sure.我认为，图片是 Al Zarrar ，但我不敢肯定。

Yeah, from the original picture of the damaged tank, we all commented that the tank was largely intact, so its excellent to hear that the crew was unhurt.是的，看损坏坦克的图片，我们大家都评论说，该坦克基本上是完整的，因此，其高兴地听到机组人员没有受伤。 A morale boost indeed. 确实提升士气。 Perhaps this was an even bigger morale boost than losing 0 tanks.也许这是一个更大的收获，相比失去一辆坦克。 Because then there would always be doubt of safety, but now crews can feel more secure, and be more effective.因为总会有对安全性的疑问的，但现在工作人员可以感到更安全，而且更加有效。



网友“ali23”：

It is Al-Zarrar.这是Al-Zarrar。

Pakistanis you have disappointed me.巴基斯坦人，我对你失望。

I take pity on those 45 million people who did not cast vote for a change.我怜悯这4500万人投谁不投改变。

（对他的发言我没理解，他是“民主逗士”，还是呼吁不要支持塔利班？）

   

网友“_kiLLuminati_ ”：

Was it the tank that was ambushed from three sides or the whole platoon?有人说，坦克遭到伏击，从三面或整个排？



网友“Glock cocked”：

Londo Molari is correct it is going to be a big moral booster to know that crew was safe even when tank was destroyed.

Londo Molari是正确的，这将是一个巨大的鼓舞，乘员安全，即使坦克被摧毁。



网友“blueazure”：

^^ also newly designed turret instead of the old inverted frying pan type on the T 59 .. ^ ^还新设计的炮塔，而不是旧的倒煎锅类型的T 59

.. the gun is a 125 smooth bore instead of the 100mm gun on the original T 59。炮是125，而不是100毫米炮。



我的评论：

巴基斯坦网友的言论值得参考。从目前掌握的图片看，起码有三辆59改被击毁，巴基斯坦网友介绍了其中一辆的损失经过。



图片显示，59改是遭到突然袭击时被击毁的，主炮均指向正前方；侧面受创严重，主要在行走部分；彻底烧毁，表面漆剥落，没有引起弹药殉爆；仓盖基本打开，似人员成功逃生（有一辆驾驶员仓盖是否打开看不清）。侧面被击中，M1A1也不敢保证不被击毁，因此，59改的表现不应该算很差。



有一份材料介绍了我军坦克（59式、69式）在对越作战时的表现：

“该部坦克和装甲车总数约４７辆，有４８辆次战损和淤陷，其中有４０辆次经现场抢救抢修后再次参战。”

“我装甲部队参战坦克和装甲车约５００辆，淤陷４０８辆次，可现场抢救战损５３３辆次，可后送战损３２辆。另外，有４４辆坦克和装甲车被越军彻底击毁，经过处置后遗弃。”



上述数字可以说明，59坦克就是坦克，是钢铁制成的，不是泥捏的，当然，想不受任何损失也是不可能的。尽管，不能据此说59改有多强悍，但是，起码可以证明59改并不是很菜。