超级军网大家谈谈极地闪电演习！人类首次隐形演习!
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大家来谈谈美国５月１３日的极地闪电演习！！Ｂ２／Ｆ２２飞行员飞了２４小时后的联系演习！今天的防务新观察报道的！
大家来谈谈美国５月１３日的极地闪电演习！！Ｂ２／Ｆ２２飞行员飞了２４小时后的联系演习！今天的防务新观察报道的！
大家来谈谈美国５月１３日的极地闪电演习！！Ｂ２／Ｆ２２飞行员飞了２４小时后的联系演习！今天的防务新观察报道的！难道是实地测试反隐身技术么？
嗯!刚看完!说是F22/B2飞行了1.6万公里进行的联合隐身攻击!完美突破掉由F16模拟的米格29/苏27+地空雷达+电子干扰的假想敌!成功毁灭目标!
哎，错过了前半节。:@
按照这次演习的水平!也太强了吧!评论员说要想破坏的话最好成在其进行空中加油十对其攻击!或者用远程导弹打击机场!!是不有些可笑拉!
这...这..威力一定惊人{:3_76:}
SU35BM 发表于 2009-5-31 20:37 
嘉宾总要发表一下观点忽悠一下嘛，总不能够说，以现在的技术条件，我们对抗的手段不多？？
嘉宾总要发表一下观点忽悠一下嘛，总不能够说，以现在的技术条件，我们对抗的手段不多？？
呵呵！不过是美军自己的合成演习？新、老装备之间的配合？B-2服役已有十多年，与F-22相比，标准的“老装备”
http://www.pacaf.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123149853
E文
E文
打击支援飞机，现在也就这个办法了
oldwatch 发表于 2009-5-31 20:58
怎样访问？？
怎样访问？？
差距啊···诶
这是伪专家，或者说是“砖家”，真正的专家应该是一边表示现在没有有效手段对抗，一边倡议要大大增加军费。
这个网址你哪儿没法连么？
横竖也没啥太多实质内容，吹嘘了一下任务完成的是何等的干净利落
把任务规划，飞行保障，空中加油，空中护航
（F22是在攻击前加入B2编队的）挨个感谢了一遍
回顾了24h（加上前期准备和撤出战场一共将近30个小时）
睁大眼睛待在一个没有铺位的双人机舱中的艰难时光
机组只有48小时来调整生物钟应对考验，不过整个任务策划长达两个星期
等等，等等
横竖也没啥太多实质内容，吹嘘了一下任务完成的是何等的干净利落
把任务规划，飞行保障，空中加油，空中护航
（F22是在攻击前加入B2编队的）挨个感谢了一遍
回顾了24h（加上前期准备和撤出战场一共将近30个小时）
睁大眼睛待在一个没有铺位的双人机舱中的艰难时光
机组只有48小时来调整生物钟应对考验，不过整个任务策划长达两个星期
等等，等等
目前清况下我们的对抗手段能多吗
美国有这个实力，俺们当年的天空还不设防呢，大家感叹一下，该干嘛干嘛
oldwatch 发表于 2009-5-31 21:34
pacaf.af.mil 都不行啊。。。:curse: {:3_77:}
pacaf.af.mil 都不行啊。。。:curse: {:3_77:}
现在流行什么～～系统啊～～卫星24小时盯着各个美军机场～找几个没事的数起飞机架降落几架～
鉴于有人没法访问，我把它贴在这里：
B-2 aircrews complete Polar Lightning exercise
by Staff Sgt. Jennifer Redente
36th Wing Public Affairs
5/16/2009 - ANDERSEN AIR FORCE BASE, Guam -- Four B-2 Spirit pilots assigned to the 13th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron completed a 24-hour training mission after flying a 10,000-mile roundtrip flight to Alaska as part of the Continuous Bomber Presence here.
The exercise, Polar Lightning, supports Pacific Command and Pacific Air Forces Command theater objectives.
"We provide a presence in the theater for deterrence," said Maj. Todd A. Moenster, 13th EBS B-2 Spirit instructor pilot and Mission Planning Cell executive officer. "We then, in this specific mission, showed the global reach nature of the B-2 in the fact that we can deploy from anywhere in the world and hold any target at risk."
The exercise was twofold for the pilots participating in the training mission: refine tactics and procedures between B-2s and F-22 Raptors as well as give pilots the training of a long-range flight.
"This is really a great exercise," Major Moenster said. "We had four different squadrons taking part in what we call a large-force exercise. The B-2s flew ... to the Alaska Range Complex where we dropped 20 [inert Joint Direct Attack Munitions]. We then took part in the large-force portion of the exercise with F-22s providing escort to the B-2s into a highly defended area by Red Air threats and by surface-to-air missiles, so the overall point of the exercise was to coordinate the B-2s and the F-22s through a low observable integration mission."
Three units participated with the 13th EBS in Polar Lightning. The 90th Fighter Squadron, Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, provided the F-22 Raptors; 962nd Airborne Air Control Squadron, Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, provided the E-3 Sentry as the command and control; and the 18th Aggressor Squadron, Eielson AFB, Alaska, provided the F-16 Fighting Falcons as the Red Air threat.
Aggressors "have the capability to simulate any Red Air threat and simulate it accurately, so they know their tactics and how they are going to execute their plan in flight, so we get an accurate reflection of what we would be fighting against," the major said.
The 506th Expeditionary Air Refueling Squadron, also assigned here, assisted refueling the B-2s on the way to Alaska and back.
The long-range portion of the exercise provides the pilots with experience and prepares them for missions, which can last up to 48 hours. This enables them to become familiar with fatigue symptoms and work their sleep cycles and manage fatigue adequately.
"In this case, it was a 24-hour mission, airborne, and the crews were up for a total of about 30 hours," Major Moenster said. "That included their pre-flight time and their post-flight time."
Even though pilots are tasked with the mission of staying awake for long hours and being cooped in a confined space, the B-2 pilots are proud to serve and appreciate the experience.
"The long-duration missions are obviously a challenge as far as staying in an aircraft that is designed for two people without a real bed, so it has some challenges of its own in that regard, but it's what we do, and it's good training for us," said Capt. Justin T. Grieve, 13th EBS B-2 Spirit instructor pilot. "It gives us the opportunity to stay in the aircraft for an extended amount of time, to test out all of our systems, drop weapons and integrate with other aircraft after we have been airborne for an extended amount of time, which we don't get to do on our local training sorties."
Captain Grieve has participated in similar training missions prior to the one, which took place May 7 and 8, but had not yet experienced integrating with other airframes during a long duration mission.
"Just getting up to Alaska to integrate with the Raptors and [Airborne Warning and Control System] was pretty exciting," he said. "You get to do some air refueling and obviously stay awake for extended amounts of time, but once we got there, everyone was there, everyone was ready to play in the exercise and the training that we gained from that was absolutely phenomenal."
While pilots prepared for the real-world scenario training mission, there was much more to the preparation than pilots preparing several days out by adjusting their sleep schedule and preparing mentally.
A mission planning cell was stood up for 48 hours to plan the entire mission, but prior to the MPC's activation, coordination through e-mails, video teleconferencing and phone calls over a two-week period enabled the 13th EBS and the other units participating in the exercise to plan an integrated exercise with geographically separated units
"We have a mission planning cell that does a fantastic job putting together these plans, and actually working the integration part for us," Captain Grieve said. "All we had to do was show up, fly the mission and get some good training out of it."
On the day of the exercise, the pilots were briefed by MPC personnel and then moved on to combat step procedures before stepping onto the aircraft.
"Maintenance did a fantastic job having the jets ready for us," the captain said. "Getting the weapons on the jet and making sure that all the systems were good to go, and from there we just get on the plane. "
To ensure aircraft are mission ready, maintainers begin preparing the aircraft as soon as it completes its previous mission.
"There's a lot of preparation that goes into each individual sortie for all the training missions and even real world bombing missions that the aircrews go on," said Capt. Sean A. O'Donnell, 509th Expeditionary Aircraft Maintenance Unit officer in charge. "Our maintainers will get out there and refuel the aircraft, reload the aircraft, fix anything that impacts the next mission and repair any low observable materials on the aircraft if they can. You name it; we'll get that jet ready to fly."
Preparation of an aircraft for the next mission can take anywhere from four to 12-plus hours of work by a team of four to an entire team involving munitions Airmen who deliver the bombs and weapons loaders who load them.
The maintenance required on bombers for each individual sortie is dependent on how the aircraft lands from its previous sortie.
"It's the young Airmen out here that are doing the mission day in and day out who are really making this entire CBP work, " Captain O'Donnell said. "It's the guys out there in the heat, in the sun, turning the aircraft, busting their butts to get the planes ready for the pilots to fly their sorties.
"Really everything is on their shoulders, and they have done an absolutely fantastic job out here," he said. "We've been flying a lot. It really has been awesome to be a part of the team, and work with them to make this mission happen."
The teamwork between the MPC, geographically separated units, the aircraft maintenance unit and the many Airmen who assisted in this exercise enabled the mission to be completed on time and problem free.
"The mission was a success," Major Moenster said. "We got the support that we needed from the F-22s, and we were able to refine our tactics, so that when we do this the next time, we'll be even better."
The 13th EBS is a deployed unit from Whiteman AFB, Mo. As a deployed unit here, the bombers are part of the Continuous Bomber Presence.
"Supporting the CBP mission just shows our continuing dedication to the region," said Major Moenster. "It is important our crews to get that training on a consistent basis, and it's also important in this specific instance that we work with our F-22 brethren in refining those stealth tactics and perfecting our execution, so that should there come a time that we need to work together in combat, we are familiar with one another's tactics enough to create an executable plan and a successful plan."
The major has been deployed and supported the CBP mission since before it was named.
"The Air Force is committed to this mission and to this theater, and coming here several times, I've become familiar with the objectives and am fully on board..."
B-2 aircrews complete Polar Lightning exercise
by Staff Sgt. Jennifer Redente
36th Wing Public Affairs
5/16/2009 - ANDERSEN AIR FORCE BASE, Guam -- Four B-2 Spirit pilots assigned to the 13th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron completed a 24-hour training mission after flying a 10,000-mile roundtrip flight to Alaska as part of the Continuous Bomber Presence here.
The exercise, Polar Lightning, supports Pacific Command and Pacific Air Forces Command theater objectives.
"We provide a presence in the theater for deterrence," said Maj. Todd A. Moenster, 13th EBS B-2 Spirit instructor pilot and Mission Planning Cell executive officer. "We then, in this specific mission, showed the global reach nature of the B-2 in the fact that we can deploy from anywhere in the world and hold any target at risk."
The exercise was twofold for the pilots participating in the training mission: refine tactics and procedures between B-2s and F-22 Raptors as well as give pilots the training of a long-range flight.
"This is really a great exercise," Major Moenster said. "We had four different squadrons taking part in what we call a large-force exercise. The B-2s flew ... to the Alaska Range Complex where we dropped 20 [inert Joint Direct Attack Munitions]. We then took part in the large-force portion of the exercise with F-22s providing escort to the B-2s into a highly defended area by Red Air threats and by surface-to-air missiles, so the overall point of the exercise was to coordinate the B-2s and the F-22s through a low observable integration mission."
Three units participated with the 13th EBS in Polar Lightning. The 90th Fighter Squadron, Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, provided the F-22 Raptors; 962nd Airborne Air Control Squadron, Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, provided the E-3 Sentry as the command and control; and the 18th Aggressor Squadron, Eielson AFB, Alaska, provided the F-16 Fighting Falcons as the Red Air threat.
Aggressors "have the capability to simulate any Red Air threat and simulate it accurately, so they know their tactics and how they are going to execute their plan in flight, so we get an accurate reflection of what we would be fighting against," the major said.
The 506th Expeditionary Air Refueling Squadron, also assigned here, assisted refueling the B-2s on the way to Alaska and back.
The long-range portion of the exercise provides the pilots with experience and prepares them for missions, which can last up to 48 hours. This enables them to become familiar with fatigue symptoms and work their sleep cycles and manage fatigue adequately.
"In this case, it was a 24-hour mission, airborne, and the crews were up for a total of about 30 hours," Major Moenster said. "That included their pre-flight time and their post-flight time."
Even though pilots are tasked with the mission of staying awake for long hours and being cooped in a confined space, the B-2 pilots are proud to serve and appreciate the experience.
"The long-duration missions are obviously a challenge as far as staying in an aircraft that is designed for two people without a real bed, so it has some challenges of its own in that regard, but it's what we do, and it's good training for us," said Capt. Justin T. Grieve, 13th EBS B-2 Spirit instructor pilot. "It gives us the opportunity to stay in the aircraft for an extended amount of time, to test out all of our systems, drop weapons and integrate with other aircraft after we have been airborne for an extended amount of time, which we don't get to do on our local training sorties."
Captain Grieve has participated in similar training missions prior to the one, which took place May 7 and 8, but had not yet experienced integrating with other airframes during a long duration mission.
"Just getting up to Alaska to integrate with the Raptors and [Airborne Warning and Control System] was pretty exciting," he said. "You get to do some air refueling and obviously stay awake for extended amounts of time, but once we got there, everyone was there, everyone was ready to play in the exercise and the training that we gained from that was absolutely phenomenal."
While pilots prepared for the real-world scenario training mission, there was much more to the preparation than pilots preparing several days out by adjusting their sleep schedule and preparing mentally.
A mission planning cell was stood up for 48 hours to plan the entire mission, but prior to the MPC's activation, coordination through e-mails, video teleconferencing and phone calls over a two-week period enabled the 13th EBS and the other units participating in the exercise to plan an integrated exercise with geographically separated units
"We have a mission planning cell that does a fantastic job putting together these plans, and actually working the integration part for us," Captain Grieve said. "All we had to do was show up, fly the mission and get some good training out of it."
On the day of the exercise, the pilots were briefed by MPC personnel and then moved on to combat step procedures before stepping onto the aircraft.
"Maintenance did a fantastic job having the jets ready for us," the captain said. "Getting the weapons on the jet and making sure that all the systems were good to go, and from there we just get on the plane. "
To ensure aircraft are mission ready, maintainers begin preparing the aircraft as soon as it completes its previous mission.
"There's a lot of preparation that goes into each individual sortie for all the training missions and even real world bombing missions that the aircrews go on," said Capt. Sean A. O'Donnell, 509th Expeditionary Aircraft Maintenance Unit officer in charge. "Our maintainers will get out there and refuel the aircraft, reload the aircraft, fix anything that impacts the next mission and repair any low observable materials on the aircraft if they can. You name it; we'll get that jet ready to fly."
Preparation of an aircraft for the next mission can take anywhere from four to 12-plus hours of work by a team of four to an entire team involving munitions Airmen who deliver the bombs and weapons loaders who load them.
The maintenance required on bombers for each individual sortie is dependent on how the aircraft lands from its previous sortie.
"It's the young Airmen out here that are doing the mission day in and day out who are really making this entire CBP work, " Captain O'Donnell said. "It's the guys out there in the heat, in the sun, turning the aircraft, busting their butts to get the planes ready for the pilots to fly their sorties.
"Really everything is on their shoulders, and they have done an absolutely fantastic job out here," he said. "We've been flying a lot. It really has been awesome to be a part of the team, and work with them to make this mission happen."
The teamwork between the MPC, geographically separated units, the aircraft maintenance unit and the many Airmen who assisted in this exercise enabled the mission to be completed on time and problem free.
"The mission was a success," Major Moenster said. "We got the support that we needed from the F-22s, and we were able to refine our tactics, so that when we do this the next time, we'll be even better."
The 13th EBS is a deployed unit from Whiteman AFB, Mo. As a deployed unit here, the bombers are part of the Continuous Bomber Presence.
"Supporting the CBP mission just shows our continuing dedication to the region," said Major Moenster. "It is important our crews to get that training on a consistent basis, and it's also important in this specific instance that we work with our F-22 brethren in refining those stealth tactics and perfecting our execution, so that should there come a time that we need to work together in combat, we are familiar with one another's tactics enough to create an executable plan and a successful plan."
The major has been deployed and supported the CBP mission since before it was named.
"The Air Force is committed to this mission and to this theater, and coming here several times, I've become familiar with the objectives and am fully on board..."
呵呵，af.mil和navy.mil等美国军队官网，国内有相当一部分IP段上不去的
随便搜索下“免费代理”，一般都能解决问题
随便搜索下“免费代理”，一般都能解决问题
.mil的网站封IP好像封的很随机
昨天去查NIF的资料莫名也撞上个“禁止访问”
昨天去查NIF的资料莫名也撞上个“禁止访问”
F22参与护航的B2形成了美军称为的“全球空中先遣打击部队”。其他国家对这只打击力量暂时无解。
什麽时候TB的轰炸机也能带上战斗机去太平洋上空转几圈，展示一下全球到达的能力。{:2_63:}
哎 ,md 邪恶啊
这样的帖子就连最铁杆的FQ也沉默了
这样的帖子就连最铁杆的FQ也沉默了
TG发展四代战斗机的意图是截击MD的四代战斗机＋B2轰炸机？
飞来了看不见，即使自己有四代战斗机又如何防御对方的对地攻击呢？
好像空军进入了进攻和防御更不平衡的时代，进攻方占优。
所以TG也需要隐形远程轰炸机，有自己的进攻能力，才能达到进攻力平衡。
隐形战斗机也要长腿，隐形第一，航程第二，超巡第三，机动力第四。
航电因为和4S无冲突取舍关系，所以不提，当然越先进越好。
飞来了看不见，即使自己有四代战斗机又如何防御对方的对地攻击呢？
好像空军进入了进攻和防御更不平衡的时代，进攻方占优。
所以TG也需要隐形远程轰炸机，有自己的进攻能力，才能达到进攻力平衡。
隐形战斗机也要长腿，隐形第一，航程第二，超巡第三，机动力第四。
航电因为和4S无冲突取舍关系，所以不提，当然越先进越好。
卫星要多少颗才能盯住美军的飞机场啊
costrave 发表于 2009-5-31 23:24
真到战时，卫星好像也不那么靠谱吧？毕竟米帝打卫星的技术大家有目共睹的。
真到战时，卫星好像也不那么靠谱吧？毕竟米帝打卫星的技术大家有目共睹的。
我觉得我们的四代首要目标应该是他们的预警和加油机，还有基地
这种远程突袭很难破解，策略上说只能建立类似国家防御系统之内的多层监测防御圈，当然代价是非常恐怖的大的，不行就只能搞定点监防同心圈，毕竟隐形战机比导弹的进攻路径选择和自主弹性大数量级了吧。
我看大力发展间谍人员混进美国空军基地食堂比发展四代更靠谱
系统啊...这就是差距...
F22在1.6万公里中需要加多少次油啊？得造B2加油机了，呵呵。:D
视频区有视频，点击进入。
http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=625745&extra=page%3D1
http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=625745&extra=page%3D1
牛啊。美帝万岁！
太令人惊讶了！
美分党高潮了！
太令人惊讶了！
美分党高潮了！
主持人有些观点弄混淆了。
F-22和B2的联合演练很早就有了。
这次所说的第一次，是指第一次远程洲际突防演练。
F-22和B2的联合演练很早就有了。
这次所说的第一次，是指第一次远程洲际突防演练。
我们应该全力发展太空武库
太空母舰+太空堡垒+太空摩托
太空母舰+太空堡垒+太空摩托
B2和F22要如何保证相互发现啊？？:D
mil24hind 发表于 2009-6-1 10:12
B2和F-22是不能互相发现的。只能通过E-3语音沟通，或者增加额外的数据链。
B2和F-22是不能互相发现的。只能通过E-3语音沟通，或者增加额外的数据链。
这种战斗能力太惊人了
某些人又要忘乎所以的高潮鸟 当然我也要小高潮一下！:D:L