超级军网美想把F117卖给以色列，说中国J10威胁！
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美国《旧金山晚报》网站近日刊登文章称，由于伊朗等国未来将获得先进战机和防空导弹系统，美国应该将退役的F-117隐形战机转手给以色列以制衡
文章称：长期以来，美国的中东政策都确保以色列拥有相对其他地区强国的军事优势，尤其在空中力量上。而随着伊朗威胁的上升，美国开始用诸如精确制导弹药和先进战机之类的先进武器武装该地区的其他盟友。不过这些国家通常对以色列都不是很友好，这使得这个海湾地区美国唯一的"西方式民主盟友"倍感不安。
以色列的另一个担忧是由伊朗和叙利亚引发的先进综合防空系统扩散，随着这两个国家获得这种武器，以色列战时保持空中支配权的能力将受到威胁。叙利亚的防空系统大部分是老旧的苏式装备，该国长期以来一直试图购买最新型的俄制防空系统，目前已有所进展。据报道叙利亚已购买先进的俄罗斯对空搜索雷达和一定数量的俄制"道尔-M1"点防御防空导弹系统，并还希望购射程更远更强悍的S-300防空导弹。
相似的，伊朗也试图从俄罗斯购买类似的武器系统，不过规模更大，这些新一代的防空导弹若在一个完整的综合防空体系里得以御用，将对以色列乃至美国空军的传统非隐身战机造成致命威胁。尽管俄罗斯一再否认，以色列和美国的报道都认为伊朗已经获得了S-300系统。
在防空导弹之外，威胁也来自诸如米格29和苏27等四代战机及其衍生品的扩散。这些战机和美国以及以色列空军中广泛装备的F-15／F-16在各方面都不相上下，实际上，它们的一些改进版本在某些方面甚至强过美国的四代战机。面对它们，美以两军的飞行员只有依靠卓越的飞行技术才可以避免对手获得制空权，但由于飞行员带来的优势也仅此而已。
随着技术的天平向对手倾斜，演习数据表明美制四代战机针对俄制新型战机的损失率大大增加，前几年美军的F-15曾经在演习中和印度空军的苏-30相遇，当时美军飞行员惊讶的发现他们在面对强大的俄制战机时竟然处于劣势。
改进版的苏-27现在已经在世界各地出现，哪怕是十分贫穷的第三世界国家如安哥拉和埃塞俄比亚都拥有这样的战机，而缅甸和孟加拉国也拥有了米格29，叙利亚和伊朗已经拥有米格29，并且据报道这两个国家还希望像印度和中国一样购买苏30战机。
更恼人的是，近来有一些报道显示中国已经向伊朗开始推销歼10战机，根据一些分析家的看法，其战力至少和美国F-16相等，也许更接近欧洲台风的水平。
如果这些报道所言不虚，伊朗将首次拥有能直接打击以色列的战机，而极度讽刺的是，歼-10最初从以色列还获得了不少技术帮助，有些技术来源于下马的狮式战机(该机本身也就是基于F-16研制)。在先进的综合防空系统支持下，这些战机将为以色列乃至美国空军带来严峻的挑战。美国《旧金山晚报》网站近日刊登文章称，由于伊朗等国未来将获得先进战机和防空导弹系统，美国应该将退役的F-117隐形战机转手给以色列以制衡
文章称：长期以来，美国的中东政策都确保以色列拥有相对其他地区强国的军事优势，尤其在空中力量上。而随着伊朗威胁的上升，美国开始用诸如精确制导弹药和先进战机之类的先进武器武装该地区的其他盟友。不过这些国家通常对以色列都不是很友好，这使得这个海湾地区美国唯一的"西方式民主盟友"倍感不安。
以色列的另一个担忧是由伊朗和叙利亚引发的先进综合防空系统扩散，随着这两个国家获得这种武器，以色列战时保持空中支配权的能力将受到威胁。叙利亚的防空系统大部分是老旧的苏式装备，该国长期以来一直试图购买最新型的俄制防空系统，目前已有所进展。据报道叙利亚已购买先进的俄罗斯对空搜索雷达和一定数量的俄制"道尔-M1"点防御防空导弹系统，并还希望购射程更远更强悍的S-300防空导弹。
相似的，伊朗也试图从俄罗斯购买类似的武器系统，不过规模更大，这些新一代的防空导弹若在一个完整的综合防空体系里得以御用，将对以色列乃至美国空军的传统非隐身战机造成致命威胁。尽管俄罗斯一再否认，以色列和美国的报道都认为伊朗已经获得了S-300系统。
在防空导弹之外，威胁也来自诸如米格29和苏27等四代战机及其衍生品的扩散。这些战机和美国以及以色列空军中广泛装备的F-15／F-16在各方面都不相上下，实际上，它们的一些改进版本在某些方面甚至强过美国的四代战机。面对它们，美以两军的飞行员只有依靠卓越的飞行技术才可以避免对手获得制空权，但由于飞行员带来的优势也仅此而已。
随着技术的天平向对手倾斜，演习数据表明美制四代战机针对俄制新型战机的损失率大大增加，前几年美军的F-15曾经在演习中和印度空军的苏-30相遇，当时美军飞行员惊讶的发现他们在面对强大的俄制战机时竟然处于劣势。
改进版的苏-27现在已经在世界各地出现，哪怕是十分贫穷的第三世界国家如安哥拉和埃塞俄比亚都拥有这样的战机，而缅甸和孟加拉国也拥有了米格29，叙利亚和伊朗已经拥有米格29，并且据报道这两个国家还希望像印度和中国一样购买苏30战机。
更恼人的是，近来有一些报道显示中国已经向伊朗开始推销歼10战机，根据一些分析家的看法，其战力至少和美国F-16相等，也许更接近欧洲台风的水平。
如果这些报道所言不虚，伊朗将首次拥有能直接打击以色列的战机，而极度讽刺的是，歼-10最初从以色列还获得了不少技术帮助，有些技术来源于下马的狮式战机(该机本身也就是基于F-16研制)。在先进的综合防空系统支持下，这些战机将为以色列乃至美国空军带来严峻的挑战。
文章称：长期以来，美国的中东政策都确保以色列拥有相对其他地区强国的军事优势，尤其在空中力量上。而随着伊朗威胁的上升，美国开始用诸如精确制导弹药和先进战机之类的先进武器武装该地区的其他盟友。不过这些国家通常对以色列都不是很友好，这使得这个海湾地区美国唯一的"西方式民主盟友"倍感不安。
以色列的另一个担忧是由伊朗和叙利亚引发的先进综合防空系统扩散，随着这两个国家获得这种武器，以色列战时保持空中支配权的能力将受到威胁。叙利亚的防空系统大部分是老旧的苏式装备，该国长期以来一直试图购买最新型的俄制防空系统，目前已有所进展。据报道叙利亚已购买先进的俄罗斯对空搜索雷达和一定数量的俄制"道尔-M1"点防御防空导弹系统，并还希望购射程更远更强悍的S-300防空导弹。
相似的，伊朗也试图从俄罗斯购买类似的武器系统，不过规模更大，这些新一代的防空导弹若在一个完整的综合防空体系里得以御用，将对以色列乃至美国空军的传统非隐身战机造成致命威胁。尽管俄罗斯一再否认，以色列和美国的报道都认为伊朗已经获得了S-300系统。
在防空导弹之外，威胁也来自诸如米格29和苏27等四代战机及其衍生品的扩散。这些战机和美国以及以色列空军中广泛装备的F-15／F-16在各方面都不相上下，实际上，它们的一些改进版本在某些方面甚至强过美国的四代战机。面对它们，美以两军的飞行员只有依靠卓越的飞行技术才可以避免对手获得制空权，但由于飞行员带来的优势也仅此而已。
随着技术的天平向对手倾斜，演习数据表明美制四代战机针对俄制新型战机的损失率大大增加，前几年美军的F-15曾经在演习中和印度空军的苏-30相遇，当时美军飞行员惊讶的发现他们在面对强大的俄制战机时竟然处于劣势。
改进版的苏-27现在已经在世界各地出现，哪怕是十分贫穷的第三世界国家如安哥拉和埃塞俄比亚都拥有这样的战机，而缅甸和孟加拉国也拥有了米格29，叙利亚和伊朗已经拥有米格29，并且据报道这两个国家还希望像印度和中国一样购买苏30战机。
更恼人的是，近来有一些报道显示中国已经向伊朗开始推销歼10战机，根据一些分析家的看法，其战力至少和美国F-16相等，也许更接近欧洲台风的水平。
如果这些报道所言不虚，伊朗将首次拥有能直接打击以色列的战机，而极度讽刺的是，歼-10最初从以色列还获得了不少技术帮助，有些技术来源于下马的狮式战机(该机本身也就是基于F-16研制)。在先进的综合防空系统支持下，这些战机将为以色列乃至美国空军带来严峻的挑战。美国《旧金山晚报》网站近日刊登文章称，由于伊朗等国未来将获得先进战机和防空导弹系统，美国应该将退役的F-117隐形战机转手给以色列以制衡
文章称：长期以来，美国的中东政策都确保以色列拥有相对其他地区强国的军事优势，尤其在空中力量上。而随着伊朗威胁的上升，美国开始用诸如精确制导弹药和先进战机之类的先进武器武装该地区的其他盟友。不过这些国家通常对以色列都不是很友好，这使得这个海湾地区美国唯一的"西方式民主盟友"倍感不安。
以色列的另一个担忧是由伊朗和叙利亚引发的先进综合防空系统扩散，随着这两个国家获得这种武器，以色列战时保持空中支配权的能力将受到威胁。叙利亚的防空系统大部分是老旧的苏式装备，该国长期以来一直试图购买最新型的俄制防空系统，目前已有所进展。据报道叙利亚已购买先进的俄罗斯对空搜索雷达和一定数量的俄制"道尔-M1"点防御防空导弹系统，并还希望购射程更远更强悍的S-300防空导弹。
相似的，伊朗也试图从俄罗斯购买类似的武器系统，不过规模更大，这些新一代的防空导弹若在一个完整的综合防空体系里得以御用，将对以色列乃至美国空军的传统非隐身战机造成致命威胁。尽管俄罗斯一再否认，以色列和美国的报道都认为伊朗已经获得了S-300系统。
在防空导弹之外，威胁也来自诸如米格29和苏27等四代战机及其衍生品的扩散。这些战机和美国以及以色列空军中广泛装备的F-15／F-16在各方面都不相上下，实际上，它们的一些改进版本在某些方面甚至强过美国的四代战机。面对它们，美以两军的飞行员只有依靠卓越的飞行技术才可以避免对手获得制空权，但由于飞行员带来的优势也仅此而已。
随着技术的天平向对手倾斜，演习数据表明美制四代战机针对俄制新型战机的损失率大大增加，前几年美军的F-15曾经在演习中和印度空军的苏-30相遇，当时美军飞行员惊讶的发现他们在面对强大的俄制战机时竟然处于劣势。
改进版的苏-27现在已经在世界各地出现，哪怕是十分贫穷的第三世界国家如安哥拉和埃塞俄比亚都拥有这样的战机，而缅甸和孟加拉国也拥有了米格29，叙利亚和伊朗已经拥有米格29，并且据报道这两个国家还希望像印度和中国一样购买苏30战机。
更恼人的是，近来有一些报道显示中国已经向伊朗开始推销歼10战机，根据一些分析家的看法，其战力至少和美国F-16相等，也许更接近欧洲台风的水平。
如果这些报道所言不虚，伊朗将首次拥有能直接打击以色列的战机，而极度讽刺的是，歼-10最初从以色列还获得了不少技术帮助，有些技术来源于下马的狮式战机(该机本身也就是基于F-16研制)。在先进的综合防空系统支持下，这些战机将为以色列乃至美国空军带来严峻的挑战。
用F-117来抗衡J-10威胁，说的哪跟哪儿啊，莫名其妙
f117美国人自己都不想用了，准备脱手？TG一不小心成了MD的托。。。。。
....经济危机没钱了就是没钱了，搞这么多花里胡哨的噱头干吗`
以色列也没余粮啊。。。。
这也太傻了,这两样东西哪跟哪啊??想用来偷袭伊朗的核设施就直说呗。
F-117跟歼-10？？没被发现也奈何不了10，要是被发现了，那就纯粹是当靶子打。
F-117跟歼-10？？没被发现也奈何不了10，要是被发现了，那就纯粹是当靶子打。
美帝具有丰富的想象力
这是假新闻吧?~没有常识吗?~
关公战秦琼
是捏造可耻..是真新闻:victory: 扯淡.
乱七八糟[:a16:]
这理由找得，真牛……处理破烂都这么有技巧
搞笑，拿117当空优？[:a11:]
搞笑！！！
楼主脑子缺点东西.
是准备用117把10消灭在机场上?:o
Should the F-117 stealth fighter be transferred to Israel? Part One: The Problem
March 14, 9:06 PM · 6 comments
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Long standing US policy in the Middle East has been to assure the state of Israel that America would guarantee their military a qualitative edge compared to other regional powers- particularly relating to airpower. With the rising threat of Iran, Washington has been equipping other allies in the region with advanced armaments such as precision guided munitions and advanced warplanes. Often, these allies are not friendly to the Israelis, which causes unease in our only “Western” democratic ally in the area.
Another major concern for Israel is the likely proliferation of advance integrated air defense systems (IADS) by Iran and Syria. With the acquisition of such weapons by these states, Israel’s ability to maintain air dominance over the battlefield will be threatened. While Syria’s air defenses are largely composed of older Soviet designs, the Syrians have long attempted to purchase the latest Russian systems with some success. Syria has reportedly purchased advanced Russian air search radars and at least a modest number of the advanced Russian point defense surface to air missile system known as the Tor-M1 (or SA-15 in NATO terminology). Syria has also attempted to purchase the long range and extremely potent SA-20 (also known as the S-300) surface to air missile system (SAM).
Iran, likewise, has also attempted to purchase similar systems but on a much larger scale. These late generation SAMs- especially when operated as part of an integrated air defense system- pose a lethal threat to non-stealthy conventional aircraft which comprises not only the entire Israeli fleet, but also the bulk of the US arsenal. Indeed, both Israeli and US reports indicate that the SA-20 may already have been delivered to Iran-though the Russians deny these claims.
In addition to the SAM threat, comes the danger from the proliferation of 4th generation fighters such as the Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 series and their derivatives around the world. These fighters are equal in most respects to current generation US built fighters such the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon which comprise the bulk of the US and Israeli arsenal. In fact, certain versions of these advanced Russian built fighters are superior in one or more areas to US 4th generation fighters. Only the superior skills of Israeli and American pilots would prevent potential adversaries from gaining air superiority. However, superior training can take you only so far…
Exercises have shown that the loss rate for friendly forces flying 4th generation fighters against late model Russian designs increases dramatically as the technological edge shifts in favour of a potential adversary. A few years ago, American pilots flying the F-15 Eagle air superiority fighters during exercises faced Indian pilots flying Su-30s, a derivative of the Su-27 series, and found themselves surprised and at a severe disadvantage against the powerful Russian built jets.
Upgraded models of the Su-27 are now found worldwide, operated by even the most desperately poor Third World countries- such as Angola and Ethiopia. Advanced warplanes can be found even in the arsenals of countries such as Myanmar and Bangladesh, both of whom operate the formidable MiG-29 Fulcrum. Syria and Iran already operate the MiG-29 and there are reports of the two countries attempting to acquire even more advanced and powerful Su-27 derivatives such as the Su-30- advanced versions of which are operated by India and China. Venezuela operates a full squadron of advanced Su-30 fighters.
More disturbingly, some recent reports have suggested that the Chinese have offered to sell their powerful new J-10 fighter to Iran. The J-10 is at least an equal to the US built F-16 and is probably closer in performance to the extremely potent European Typhoon fighter aircraft according to many analysts.
If these reports prove to be correct, the Iranians would for the first time, possess a warplane capable of striking at Israel directly. The ultimate irony here being that the J-10 was developed by China with considerable technical assistance from Israel using technology developed for the now defunct Lavi project (which itself was based on the US F-16 fighter). Combined with an advanced integrated air defense system, these fighters pose a serious challenge, not only for the Israelis, but also for American airpower.
The potential threat of an Iranian nuclear weapons program is another challenge faced by the Israelis. With the procurement of advanced integrated air defenses and modern fighters by Iran, Israel does not have the capability to strike with impunity against suspected nuclear sites in that country. The Israeli strike on the purported Syrian nuclear facility a couple of years ago was deceptive in its ease as the Syrian air defenses are not nearly as formidable as those of Iran. An additional factor was that the relative distances involved were quite short. Ultimately, Israeli success may have also had as much to do with Syrian ineptitude as it did with the military prowess of the IDF (Israel Defense Force).
Another concern for the Israelis is that the relative qualitative edge that their military currently enjoys compared to their largely hostile neighbours is being eroded by an unlikely source- the United States. Keen to counter a rising Iran, the United States has approved the sale of advanced precision guided weapons such as the JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) to such Arab countries as Saudi Arabia. In fact some Arab countries operate equipment that is comparable or in some cases superior to aircraft operated by both Israeli forces and the United States military.
The United Arab Emirates’ Block 60 F-16E/F is a prime example of an American built warplane that is superior to any version of that aircraft operated by either the US or Israel. Additionally, the recent Saudi purchase of the Eurofighter Typhoon is yet another example of an Arab qualitative advantage in terms of equipment. Of course, in terms of training, the IDF maintains a huge qualitative edge over any Arab state, however, training can only make up for so much of a performance deficit.
可能是原文的来源，这文章写得不错，但是如果硬要得出个什么结论的话就非常可笑了。
March 14, 9:06 PM · 6 comments
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Long standing US policy in the Middle East has been to assure the state of Israel that America would guarantee their military a qualitative edge compared to other regional powers- particularly relating to airpower. With the rising threat of Iran, Washington has been equipping other allies in the region with advanced armaments such as precision guided munitions and advanced warplanes. Often, these allies are not friendly to the Israelis, which causes unease in our only “Western” democratic ally in the area.
Another major concern for Israel is the likely proliferation of advance integrated air defense systems (IADS) by Iran and Syria. With the acquisition of such weapons by these states, Israel’s ability to maintain air dominance over the battlefield will be threatened. While Syria’s air defenses are largely composed of older Soviet designs, the Syrians have long attempted to purchase the latest Russian systems with some success. Syria has reportedly purchased advanced Russian air search radars and at least a modest number of the advanced Russian point defense surface to air missile system known as the Tor-M1 (or SA-15 in NATO terminology). Syria has also attempted to purchase the long range and extremely potent SA-20 (also known as the S-300) surface to air missile system (SAM).
Iran, likewise, has also attempted to purchase similar systems but on a much larger scale. These late generation SAMs- especially when operated as part of an integrated air defense system- pose a lethal threat to non-stealthy conventional aircraft which comprises not only the entire Israeli fleet, but also the bulk of the US arsenal. Indeed, both Israeli and US reports indicate that the SA-20 may already have been delivered to Iran-though the Russians deny these claims.
In addition to the SAM threat, comes the danger from the proliferation of 4th generation fighters such as the Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 series and their derivatives around the world. These fighters are equal in most respects to current generation US built fighters such the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon which comprise the bulk of the US and Israeli arsenal. In fact, certain versions of these advanced Russian built fighters are superior in one or more areas to US 4th generation fighters. Only the superior skills of Israeli and American pilots would prevent potential adversaries from gaining air superiority. However, superior training can take you only so far…
Exercises have shown that the loss rate for friendly forces flying 4th generation fighters against late model Russian designs increases dramatically as the technological edge shifts in favour of a potential adversary. A few years ago, American pilots flying the F-15 Eagle air superiority fighters during exercises faced Indian pilots flying Su-30s, a derivative of the Su-27 series, and found themselves surprised and at a severe disadvantage against the powerful Russian built jets.
Upgraded models of the Su-27 are now found worldwide, operated by even the most desperately poor Third World countries- such as Angola and Ethiopia. Advanced warplanes can be found even in the arsenals of countries such as Myanmar and Bangladesh, both of whom operate the formidable MiG-29 Fulcrum. Syria and Iran already operate the MiG-29 and there are reports of the two countries attempting to acquire even more advanced and powerful Su-27 derivatives such as the Su-30- advanced versions of which are operated by India and China. Venezuela operates a full squadron of advanced Su-30 fighters.
More disturbingly, some recent reports have suggested that the Chinese have offered to sell their powerful new J-10 fighter to Iran. The J-10 is at least an equal to the US built F-16 and is probably closer in performance to the extremely potent European Typhoon fighter aircraft according to many analysts.
If these reports prove to be correct, the Iranians would for the first time, possess a warplane capable of striking at Israel directly. The ultimate irony here being that the J-10 was developed by China with considerable technical assistance from Israel using technology developed for the now defunct Lavi project (which itself was based on the US F-16 fighter). Combined with an advanced integrated air defense system, these fighters pose a serious challenge, not only for the Israelis, but also for American airpower.
The potential threat of an Iranian nuclear weapons program is another challenge faced by the Israelis. With the procurement of advanced integrated air defenses and modern fighters by Iran, Israel does not have the capability to strike with impunity against suspected nuclear sites in that country. The Israeli strike on the purported Syrian nuclear facility a couple of years ago was deceptive in its ease as the Syrian air defenses are not nearly as formidable as those of Iran. An additional factor was that the relative distances involved were quite short. Ultimately, Israeli success may have also had as much to do with Syrian ineptitude as it did with the military prowess of the IDF (Israel Defense Force).
Another concern for the Israelis is that the relative qualitative edge that their military currently enjoys compared to their largely hostile neighbours is being eroded by an unlikely source- the United States. Keen to counter a rising Iran, the United States has approved the sale of advanced precision guided weapons such as the JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) to such Arab countries as Saudi Arabia. In fact some Arab countries operate equipment that is comparable or in some cases superior to aircraft operated by both Israeli forces and the United States military.
The United Arab Emirates’ Block 60 F-16E/F is a prime example of an American built warplane that is superior to any version of that aircraft operated by either the US or Israel. Additionally, the recent Saudi purchase of the Eurofighter Typhoon is yet another example of an Arab qualitative advantage in terms of equipment. Of course, in terms of training, the IDF maintains a huge qualitative edge over any Arab state, however, training can only make up for so much of a performance deficit.
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