超级军网認識四鄰~新加坡新護下水
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如題
新加坡的法拉葉級新護 首艦 RSS Formidable 難敵號 (名字是我譯的)日前已於法國 DCN 船廠下水 該艦相信將於2005年返抵新加坡服役
該級預定建造 6 艘 其餘 5 艘傳聞會在新加坡本土建造
詳見圖
如題
新加坡的法拉葉級新護 首艦 RSS Formidable 難敵號 (名字是我譯的)日前已於法國 DCN 船廠下水 該艦相信將於2005年返抵新加坡服役
該級預定建造 6 艘 其餘 5 艘傳聞會在新加坡本土建造
詳見圖
新加坡的法拉葉級新護 首艦 RSS Formidable 難敵號 (名字是我譯的)日前已於法國 DCN 船廠下水 該艦相信將於2005年返抵新加坡服役
該級預定建造 6 艘 其餘 5 艘傳聞會在新加坡本土建造
詳見圖
如題新加坡的法拉葉級新護 首艦 RSS Formidable 難敵號 (名字是我譯的)日前已於法國 DCN 船廠下水 該艦相信將於2005年返抵新加坡服役
該級預定建造 6 艘 其餘 5 艘傳聞會在新加坡本土建造
詳見圖
好象正因为这个采购项目引出了台湾的军购舞弊案。
有点拉菲特的感觉啊
MEKO200???
新加坡叫"勇气"号
Delta级(拉法叶改)
单面被动阵Arabel雷达+SAAMS32枚ASTER15垂发
满排4000吨左右,是新加坡拥有的第一艘护卫舰
成员好像只有90人左右,自动化程度非常高
Delta级(拉法叶改)
单面被动阵Arabel雷达+SAAMS32枚ASTER15垂发
满排4000吨左右,是新加坡拥有的第一艘护卫舰
成员好像只有90人左右,自动化程度非常高
感觉做工也是一般。钢板也是不太平的。
525有vls也不比他差
喂，你有没有想过，像新加坡这样买回来的国防，到底有没有真正的实力?
想好了，请给我一个答案。
谢谢。
想好了，请给我一个答案。
谢谢。
就像新加颇那种小国干嘛还要那么多护卫舰啊/
以下是引用萧少侠在2004-1-11 17:29:00的发言：
喂，你有没有想过，像新加坡这样买回来的国防，到底有没有真正的实力?
想好了，请给我一个答案。
谢谢。
买回来懂用,就是真正的实力,自已造的不好用\不能用,就没有真正的实力.[em11]
525比它好
兵器知识上已介绍过了吧
以下是引用xphui在2004-1-11 18:41:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用萧少侠在2004-1-11 17:29:00的发言：
喂，你有没有想过，像新加坡这样买回来的国防，到底有没有真正的实力?
想好了，请给我一个答案。
谢谢。
买回来懂用,就是真正的实力,自已造的不好用\不能用,就没有真正的实力.[em11]
[/quote]
哦，原来你认为真正的实力是可以买回来的。嘿嘿[em07]
不错了，后面的就自己造了。
看了照片给我一个感觉，这钢板好像很薄的样子，呵呵。
新加坡这种国家买再多船也白搭，一个国家就那么点大，轰炸机、巡航导弹光顾一轮所有的基础都没有了自然包括后勤基地也没了，还打什么啊。
新加坡这种国家买再多船也白搭，一个国家就那么点大，轰炸机、巡航导弹光顾一轮所有的基础都没有了自然包括后勤基地也没了，还打什么啊。
新加坡易攻不易守
好
晕,人家就是用来打海盗的啊.
以下是引用vertical在2004-1-12 2:49:00的发言：新加坡攻守都容易，那个小地方，既没有战略纵深，又没有战争潜力。
新加坡易攻不易守
以下是引用hmmwv在2004-1-12 4:48:00的发言：
晕,人家就是用来打海盗的啊.
正确[em09]
以下是引用sitem00n在2004-1-11 14:16:00的发言：
新加坡叫"勇气"号
Delta级(拉法叶改)
单面被动阵Arabel雷达+SAAMS32枚ASTER15垂发
满排4000吨左右,是新加坡拥有的第一艘护卫舰
成员好像只有90人左右,自动化程度非常高
Formidable 叫作 難敵 和 可畏 都可以~但這個字好像不解作 勇氣...真弄不明白新加坡人的英語...
上面的兄弟們說得對啊~而且這東東還有 8 枚MM40...
用來打海盜好像有點兒太過...
不過以新加坡這一丁點大的國土~要全部東西自己開發好像太困難了~買回來之後再自己建幾艘好像更符合國情[em11]
外形不错。武器弱点。不过为了隐身没办法。
以下是引用zonego在2004-1-12 17:39:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用sitem00n在2004-1-11 14:16:00的发言：
新加坡叫"勇气"号
Delta级(拉法叶改)
单面被动阵Arabel雷达+SAAMS32枚ASTER15垂发
满排4000吨左右,是新加坡拥有的第一艘护卫舰
成员好像只有90人左右,自动化程度非常高
Formidable 叫作 難敵 和 可畏 都可以~但這個字好像不解作 勇氣...真弄不明白新加坡人的英語...
上面的兄弟們說得對啊~而且這東東還有 8 枚MM40...
用來打海盜好像有點兒太過...
不過以新加坡這一丁點大的國土~要全部東西自己開發好像太困難了~買回來之後再自己建幾艘好像更符合國情[em11]
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也许我记错名字了:)
以下是引用霞思无忧在2004-1-11 22:43:00的发言：
看了照片给我一个感觉，这钢板好像很薄的样子，呵呵。
新加坡这种国家买再多船也白搭，一个国家就那么点大，轰炸机、巡航导弹光顾一轮所有的基础都没有了自然包括后勤基地也没了，还打什么啊。
区域没有国家有这能力.
新加坡和中国,美国关系不错:)
以下是引用ECplanet在2004-1-11 18:49:00的发言：
525比它好
它的雷达是四面无源相控阵，525比不上。还有法国的水声系统的性能大家也是知道的吧，加上紫苑。054还有一段路要走
像这种小国我们可以像灭一盘菜一样灭了它！
以下是引用ccpp在2004-1-12 21:55:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用ECplanet在2004-1-11 18:49:00的发言：
525比它好
它的雷达是四面无源相控阵，525比不上。还有法国的水声系统的性能大家也是知道的吧，加上紫苑。054还有一段路要走
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如果我没有记错,ARABEL是单面旋转被动阵
32枚ASTER15垂发可不是盖的呀
054实在太不是一个级别了吧
以下是引用超级战列舰在2004-1-12 22:01:00的发言：
像这种小国我们可以像灭一盘菜一样灭了它！
中国不是纳粹德国
如果是那么美国灭我们也像灭一盘菜一样
您何苦呢
January 16, 2004: The January 7th launch of the Republic of Singapore Navy's (RSN) first 3,200 ton Project Delta class stealth frigate has revealed some of the advanced capabilities incorporated into these ships. It was confirmed that, when fully operational, the project Delta frigates will be amongst the most powerful air warfare ships in the Asia Pacific region, and comparable to the South Korean KDX II class, the Japanese Kongo class, and the Chinese Type 052c class.
The RSS Formidable was launched in Lorient, France and will undergo outfitting and sea trials in France before traveling to Singapore in early 2005, where she will join her five locally built sisters. Once all the ships of this class are in service by 2009, Singapore will retire its six 1970's vintage Sea Wolf class missile gun boats.
The project Delta class are based on modified French La Fayette multipurpose frigates, which are currently in service with France, Taiwan and Saudi Arabia. Until the launch of the Formidable, the most potent ships derived from this class were the 4,700 ton Saudi Al Riyadh (F3000S Sawari II) Class Multipurpose AAW Frigate. From the specifications recently released by the RSN, the Delta class will be more... formidable.
Fully operational, the RSS Formidable will be capable of carrying up to 32 Aster active homing SAMs in Slyver VLS (vertical launchers just below the deck) launchers. The exact Aster variant has not been made public, but most likely will be the 30 kilometer range Aster 15, not the 110 kilometer range Aster 30. Aster incorporates an active radar seeker and reaction thrusters for high maneuverability, and will give these ships a highly potent area air defense capability, with the ability to intercept anti-ship missiles at long ranges. This will enable the RSN Formidable and her sisters to perform anti-air escort duties similar to the US Aegis warships.
Other weapon systems include up to eight Harpoon anti-ship missiles, six Whitehead lightweight anti-submarine torpedoes and an Oto Melera 76mm Super Rapid dual purpose gun. Secondary gun systems are not mentioned, but RSN ships have recently been fitted with locally developed modular 25mm remote weapons systems. These systems have their own optical and thermal targeting systems and fire control, and can be fitted with various IR SAMS, like the Mistral, to operate as gun/missile combination Close-in Weapons systems. These ships will also operate a medium naval helicopter.
The base-line La Fayette class have stealth features, that make their radar cross section equivalent to a 500 ton fishing boat, and the Delta ships will be even stealthier. Compared to her La Fayette cousins, the RSS Formidable and her sisters have a significantly reduced profile as a result of it's smaller superstructure and the use of enclosed sensor mast technology. The reduced radar signature makes it more difficult for radar to detect and track the ship. It also becomes more difficult for anti-ship missiles to home in on the ship, or see past counter-measures.
All her radar warfare requirements are met by a single Thales Herakles phased array multi-function radar system, which provides 2D surface and 3D air search and fire control functions, including multiple tracking, target designation and command uplink for the Aster missiles. Very little information is publicly known about the Herakles system, and the Delta class may be the first ships to carry it. A variable depth active low frequency towed sonar by EDO provides these ships with good underwater detection in coastal waters.
Combat management, bridge management and ship's systems were all developed jointly by Singapore's Defence Science & Technology Agency and Defence Science Organization, and contain innovative automation features that have reduced crew requirements. For example, all combat systems can be accessed from Standard Operating Common Consoles, which have weapons control functions and a 20 inch color LCD display.
This enables the RSS Formidable to function at full combat efficiency with a ships complement is 70, plus an additional 15 for helicopter support. In comparison, the La Fayette class has a crew of 164.
The RSS Formidable's propulsion is via four MTU diesels in Combined Diesel on Diesel (CODAD) configuration, which give her a top speed of about 50 kilometers an hour, and a cruising range of approximately 7,200 kilometers. This will enable the Formidable and her sisters to operate as true Blue Water units. Currently, the only RSN ships that can operate
in Blue Water Conditions are its 8,500 ton Endurance Class LSTs.
For information and images of the Project Delta stealth frigates:
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/weapons/frigate/index.asp
For a comparison with the Al Riyadh class:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/al_riyadh/index.html
--Shawn Chung
From StrategyPage - http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=htsurf.htm&base=htsurf&Prev=0&BeginCnt=31
The RSS Formidable was launched in Lorient, France and will undergo outfitting and sea trials in France before traveling to Singapore in early 2005, where she will join her five locally built sisters. Once all the ships of this class are in service by 2009, Singapore will retire its six 1970's vintage Sea Wolf class missile gun boats.
The project Delta class are based on modified French La Fayette multipurpose frigates, which are currently in service with France, Taiwan and Saudi Arabia. Until the launch of the Formidable, the most potent ships derived from this class were the 4,700 ton Saudi Al Riyadh (F3000S Sawari II) Class Multipurpose AAW Frigate. From the specifications recently released by the RSN, the Delta class will be more... formidable.
Fully operational, the RSS Formidable will be capable of carrying up to 32 Aster active homing SAMs in Slyver VLS (vertical launchers just below the deck) launchers. The exact Aster variant has not been made public, but most likely will be the 30 kilometer range Aster 15, not the 110 kilometer range Aster 30. Aster incorporates an active radar seeker and reaction thrusters for high maneuverability, and will give these ships a highly potent area air defense capability, with the ability to intercept anti-ship missiles at long ranges. This will enable the RSN Formidable and her sisters to perform anti-air escort duties similar to the US Aegis warships.
Other weapon systems include up to eight Harpoon anti-ship missiles, six Whitehead lightweight anti-submarine torpedoes and an Oto Melera 76mm Super Rapid dual purpose gun. Secondary gun systems are not mentioned, but RSN ships have recently been fitted with locally developed modular 25mm remote weapons systems. These systems have their own optical and thermal targeting systems and fire control, and can be fitted with various IR SAMS, like the Mistral, to operate as gun/missile combination Close-in Weapons systems. These ships will also operate a medium naval helicopter.
The base-line La Fayette class have stealth features, that make their radar cross section equivalent to a 500 ton fishing boat, and the Delta ships will be even stealthier. Compared to her La Fayette cousins, the RSS Formidable and her sisters have a significantly reduced profile as a result of it's smaller superstructure and the use of enclosed sensor mast technology. The reduced radar signature makes it more difficult for radar to detect and track the ship. It also becomes more difficult for anti-ship missiles to home in on the ship, or see past counter-measures.
All her radar warfare requirements are met by a single Thales Herakles phased array multi-function radar system, which provides 2D surface and 3D air search and fire control functions, including multiple tracking, target designation and command uplink for the Aster missiles. Very little information is publicly known about the Herakles system, and the Delta class may be the first ships to carry it. A variable depth active low frequency towed sonar by EDO provides these ships with good underwater detection in coastal waters.
Combat management, bridge management and ship's systems were all developed jointly by Singapore's Defence Science & Technology Agency and Defence Science Organization, and contain innovative automation features that have reduced crew requirements. For example, all combat systems can be accessed from Standard Operating Common Consoles, which have weapons control functions and a 20 inch color LCD display.
This enables the RSS Formidable to function at full combat efficiency with a ships complement is 70, plus an additional 15 for helicopter support. In comparison, the La Fayette class has a crew of 164.
The RSS Formidable's propulsion is via four MTU diesels in Combined Diesel on Diesel (CODAD) configuration, which give her a top speed of about 50 kilometers an hour, and a cruising range of approximately 7,200 kilometers. This will enable the Formidable and her sisters to operate as true Blue Water units. Currently, the only RSN ships that can operate
in Blue Water Conditions are its 8,500 ton Endurance Class LSTs.
For information and images of the Project Delta stealth frigates:
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/weapons/frigate/index.asp
For a comparison with the Al Riyadh class:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/al_riyadh/index.html
--Shawn Chung
From StrategyPage - http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=htsurf.htm&base=htsurf&Prev=0&BeginCnt=31
以下是引用萧少侠在2004-1-11 19:08:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用xphui在2004-1-11 18:41:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用萧少侠在2004-1-11 17:29:00的发言：
喂，你有没有想过，像新加坡这样买回来的国防，到底有没有真正的实力?
想好了，请给我一个答案。
谢谢。
买回来懂用,就是真正的实力,自已造的不好用\不能用,就没有真正的实力.[em11]
[/quote]
哦，原来你认为真正的实力是可以买回来的。嘿嘿[em07]
[/quote]
有什么不可以的呢？我军能成长起来不也是靠买了大量前苏联武器的吗，如果光靠从国民党那儿缴的和我们自造的武器，不知道该怎么打朝鲜战争呢？？
只不过不要买得太多，人家新加坡是买一艘，其它自造，我们现在买了现代买阿穆尔，而且一买就是几艘，我看倒是挺危险的
以下是引用sitem00n在2004-1-12 20:14:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用霞思无忧在2004-1-11 22:43:00的发言：
看了照片给我一个感觉，这钢板好像很薄的样子，呵呵。
新加坡这种国家买再多船也白搭，一个国家就那么点大，轰炸机、巡航导弹光顾一轮所有的基础都没有了自然包括后勤基地也没了，还打什么啊。
区域没有国家有这能力.
新加坡和中国,美国关系不错:)
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不错个p，新加坡是东南亚反华桥头堡，比台湾还黄皮白心。SARS期间抨击中国，叫嚣让中国永远变成二流国家，允许美国驻军，是世界上唯一敢在台湾派兵的国家，这种忘宗的华人败类国家，中国迟早要收拾它！
垃圾，
垃圾
不错
居然还有人说新加坡和我们的关系不错
新加坡的樟宜海军基地就是专为美航母围堵中国准备的
非典期间，新加坡是第一个，也是最狂妄的一个抨击中国的，要求全亚洲抛弃中国，对中国大肆攻击
要不不久后胡哥也说不出“远亲不如近邻”的话了
新加坡的樟宜海军基地就是专为美航母围堵中国准备的
非典期间，新加坡是第一个，也是最狂妄的一个抨击中国的，要求全亚洲抛弃中国，对中国大肆攻击
要不不久后胡哥也说不出“远亲不如近邻”的话了
以下是引用超级战列舰在2004-1-11 17:37:00的发言：
就像新加颇那种小国干嘛还要那么多护卫舰啊/
按他们的话说 就是保卫马六甲！！！！！！！！！！！！！
新加坡就是一个小以色列 哈哈
以下是引用freder在2004-1-18 11:44:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用sitem00n在2004-1-12 20:14:00的发言：
[quote]以下是引用霞思无忧在2004-1-11 22:43:00的发言：
看了照片给我一个感觉，这钢板好像很薄的样子，呵呵。
新加坡这种国家买再多船也白搭，一个国家就那么点大，轰炸机、巡航导弹光顾一轮所有的基础都没有了自然包括后勤基地也没了，还打什么啊。
区域没有国家有这能力.
新加坡和中国,美国关系不错:)
[/quote]
不错个p，新加坡是东南亚反华桥头堡，比台湾还黄皮白心。SARS期间抨击中国，叫嚣让中国永远变成二流国家，允许美国驻军，是世界上唯一敢在台湾派兵的国家，这种忘宗的华人败类国家，中国迟早要收拾它！
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白痴,新加坡76%是华人,反华难道反自己啊?新加坡本来就是西方教育和东方教育混杂,黄皮白心是一定的.新加坡从来不是中国领土,和台湾有可比性么?
SARS期间抨击中国,抨击得好.没有国外的压力,中国不知道要多死多少人呢.自己不知道检讨,别人小国寡民可经不起共产党这么折腾.
中国现在是一流国家么?自己做得好难道真怕别人唱衰?
允许美国驻军怎么了?周围全是回教国家难道靠中国来保护他?大鱼吃小鱼,小鱼吃虾米.弱者没有生存权么?
星光部队不是去帮台湾独立的,是这个640平方公里的小国容不下军队训练.找个华人的地方训练一下有什么关系?难道去印尼训练?
连纯粹的华人国家都要收拾,中国是纳粹啊?要比忘祖宗,印尼华侨连华人名字都没有了.难道说他们就活该被回教徒收拾了?
白痴,中国的工业园,公积金等等制度,哪个不是新加坡引进的?连新加坡都反华的话,就说明自己实在混得太失败了.反省一下吧.