小鬼子这是要在氢燃料的路上一条道走到黑吗,丰田、日产 ...

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Toyota, Nissan, Honda will work together on hydrogen filling stations
Japan's own version of the Big Three is taking on a transportation effort that's a far cry from the large-engined history of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. In fact, Toyota, Nissan and Honda are looking to do their part – and maybe a little more – for the environment by working together to collaborate on accelerating the deployment of hydrogen fuel delivery in Japan. More refueling stations means more convenience for prospective hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle owners.

Toyota says the specifics, including investment amount and the number of stations to be deployed, will be "determined at a later date." Still, the effort dovetails with that of the Japanese government. That government announced a so-called Strategic Road Map for Hydrogen and Fuel Cells last June and subsequently said it would start offering about $20,000 worth of incentives for fuel cell vehicle buyers.

In December, Toyota started selling its first mass-produced fuel cell vehicle, the Mirai, in Japan and said it would almost triple production to 2,000 vehicles in 2016 from 700 this year. Last month, the Tokyo government began talks with Toyota and Honda to collaborate on ensuring that there'd be at least 6,000 fuel-cell vehicles on Japan's roads in time for the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. Tokyo officials are looking to have 100,000 fuel-cell vehicles on the city's roads by 2025. Check out Toyota's press release below.
Toyota, Nissan, and Honda to Jointly Support Hydrogen Station
Infrastructure Development

Toyota Motor Corporation, Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., and Honda Motor Co., Ltd. have agreed to work together to help accelerate the development of hydrogen station infrastructure for fuel cell vehicles (FCVs). Specific measures to be undertaken by the three manufacturers will be determined at a later date.

For hydrogen-fueled FCVs to gain popularity, it is not only important that attractive products be launched―hydrogen station infrastructure must also be developed. At present, infrastructure companies are making every effort to build such an infrastructure, but they face difficulties in installing and operating hydrogen stations while FCVs are not common on the road.

Following the formulation of its Strategic Road Map for Hydrogen and Fuel Cells in June 2014, the Japanese government has highlighted the importance of developing hydrogen station infrastructure as quickly as possible in order to popularize FCVs. Consequently, the government is not only supporting the installation of hydrogen stations by means of subsidies, but has also resolved to introduce a range of additional policies aimed at promoting activities that generate new demand for FCVs, including partially subsidizing the cost of operating hydrogen stations.

The three automobile manufacturers hope to both popularize FCVs and ensure that it will be easy to refuel them. Consequently, they have jointly recognized the need for automobile manufacturers to promote the development of hydrogen station infrastructure alongside the government and infrastructure companies, with the aim of working towards achieving the aims of the abovementioned Road Map, the source of the government's subsidy support. The three automobile manufacturers will give careful consideration to concrete initiatives, such as underwriting a portion of the expenses involved in the operation of hydrogen stations.

FCVs are expected to play a central role in the drive towards establishing a hydrogen society. Toyota, Nissan and Honda are aiming to contribute to bringing about such a society through ensuring the widespread use of FCVs.


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/12/toyota-nissan-honda-will-work-together-on-hydrogen-filling-sta/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000588#image-2
Toyota, Nissan, Honda will work together on hydrogen filling stations
Japan's own version of the Big Three is taking on a transportation effort that's a far cry from the large-engined history of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. In fact, Toyota, Nissan and Honda are looking to do their part – and maybe a little more – for the environment by working together to collaborate on accelerating the deployment of hydrogen fuel delivery in Japan. More refueling stations means more convenience for prospective hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle owners.

Toyota says the specifics, including investment amount and the number of stations to be deployed, will be "determined at a later date." Still, the effort dovetails with that of the Japanese government. That government announced a so-called Strategic Road Map for Hydrogen and Fuel Cells last June and subsequently said it would start offering about $20,000 worth of incentives for fuel cell vehicle buyers.

In December, Toyota started selling its first mass-produced fuel cell vehicle, the Mirai, in Japan and said it would almost triple production to 2,000 vehicles in 2016 from 700 this year. Last month, the Tokyo government began talks with Toyota and Honda to collaborate on ensuring that there'd be at least 6,000 fuel-cell vehicles on Japan's roads in time for the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. Tokyo officials are looking to have 100,000 fuel-cell vehicles on the city's roads by 2025. Check out Toyota's press release below.
Toyota, Nissan, and Honda to Jointly Support Hydrogen Station
Infrastructure Development

Toyota Motor Corporation, Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., and Honda Motor Co., Ltd. have agreed to work together to help accelerate the development of hydrogen station infrastructure for fuel cell vehicles (FCVs). Specific measures to be undertaken by the three manufacturers will be determined at a later date.

For hydrogen-fueled FCVs to gain popularity, it is not only important that attractive products be launched―hydrogen station infrastructure must also be developed. At present, infrastructure companies are making every effort to build such an infrastructure, but they face difficulties in installing and operating hydrogen stations while FCVs are not common on the road.

Following the formulation of its Strategic Road Map for Hydrogen and Fuel Cells in June 2014, the Japanese government has highlighted the importance of developing hydrogen station infrastructure as quickly as possible in order to popularize FCVs. Consequently, the government is not only supporting the installation of hydrogen stations by means of subsidies, but has also resolved to introduce a range of additional policies aimed at promoting activities that generate new demand for FCVs, including partially subsidizing the cost of operating hydrogen stations.

The three automobile manufacturers hope to both popularize FCVs and ensure that it will be easy to refuel them. Consequently, they have jointly recognized the need for automobile manufacturers to promote the development of hydrogen station infrastructure alongside the government and infrastructure companies, with the aim of working towards achieving the aims of the abovementioned Road Map, the source of the government's subsidy support. The three automobile manufacturers will give careful consideration to concrete initiatives, such as underwriting a portion of the expenses involved in the operation of hydrogen stations.

FCVs are expected to play a central role in the drive towards establishing a hydrogen society. Toyota, Nissan and Honda are aiming to contribute to bringing about such a society through ensuring the widespread use of FCVs.
他们传统内燃机,混动,电动,氢燃料都是世界顶尖啊,怎么算一条路走到黑?他们是多路开花,而且每条路都赶在前面。


ls 正解

不过av有大优势犯2的传统

这次也不例外, 跑不掉,命族性格如此



ls 正解

不过av有大优势犯2的传统

这次也不例外, 跑不掉,命族性格如此



内燃机和混合动力已经属于传统领域了,尤其是技术专利权已经快要结束。日系可以发挥其在多领域的材料开发优势领跑燃料电池车,这属于前瞻性的规划,有风险但值得尝试。这玩意不是几个做代工的企业短时间山寨的出来的。

内燃机和混合动力已经属于传统领域了,尤其是技术专利权已经快要结束。日系可以发挥其在多领域的材料开发优势领跑燃料电池车,这属于前瞻性的规划,有风险但值得尝试。这玩意不是几个做代工的企业短时间山寨的出来的。
注定没前途。氢气制备、存储、运输成本远大于充电站,,还不用说燃料电池的成本和回收问题。小鬼子只是为反而反,单纯的对抗插电电动车而已。想当初爱华的随身CD机、MD机都是为对抗磁带机随身听诞生的,结果分分钟玩完。没有成体系的战略规划,看似在一些具体技术和细节上领先,实际是误入歧途。不过鬼子一向这德行,自己开创的航空打击时代还在倾全国之力造大和,逗比民族。
反正丰田有钱,随便折腾呗
  对日本来说,氢燃料来源广泛,不会在能源上被卡脖子,所以它开放技术也是为了能够降低先期推广成本
汉宫秋 发表于 2015-2-13 17:12
对日本来说,氢燃料来源广泛,不会在能源上被卡脖子,所以它开放技术也是为了能够降低先期推广成本
四面环海的电解海水的确是一个不错的廉价氢能源来源
中国核子将军 发表于 2015-2-13 17:17
四面环海的电解海水的确是一个不错的廉价氢能源来源

先用电解水制氢,再加氢入汽车?那还不如直接充电入汽车呢
先用电解水制氢,再加氢入汽车?那还不如直接充电入汽车呢
你说是充电快还是加氢快啊?
乌尔奇奥拉 发表于 2015-2-13 16:33
注定没前途。氢气制备、存储、运输成本远大于充电站,,还不用说燃料电池的成本和回收问题。小鬼子只是为反 ...
鬼子有自己的独特优势,比如氢的运输,他全国大部分地区都可以走海运,安全和运输成本都问题不大。先在国内做起来,伴随技术改进再打国外市场。
鬼子有自己的独特优势,比如氢的运输,他全国大部分地区都可以走海运,安全和运输成本都问题不大。先在国 ...
主要是氢密度最低,存储必须超低温或超高压,安全隐患远大于汽油
乌尔奇奥拉 发表于 2015-2-13 16:33
注定没前途。氢气制备、存储、运输成本远大于充电站,,还不用说燃料电池的成本和回收问题。小鬼子只是为反 ...
只能说是……现在是这么看。
之前在90年代中后期到新世纪初10年这个时候,当时有过论证。
得出的结论是:有可能将这块成本降下来,但是相关的研究将会涉及很多领域。
不过还是密切关注他们的进度吧,或许会有宝的……
就像日本人在本世纪初10年的一些研究为现在的电动汽车涉及带来和很多有益的思维一样。
燃料电池技术上是可行的,但是鬼子的燃料电池注定是死路一条!因为在政治上行不通, 还拉上安倍作广告!去年中德两国总理互访,签署的新能源车协议,等于在中欧这两个世界最大的市场和第三大市场判了鬼子主推的燃料电池等新能源车的死刑。此外,美国政府也没有支持鬼子的新能源方案。鬼子鼠目寸光,缺少制定体系,主导标准的战略和能力.
销量最大得电动车是日产聆风,效率最高得混动车是本田i-MMD系统和丰田得THS,氢燃料第一个量产是丰田Mirai。Tesla得电池来自松下。

怎么都觉得是在多条路线齐头并进呢
注定没前途。氢气制备、存储、运输成本远大于充电站,,还不用说燃料电池的成本和回收问题。小鬼子只是为反 ...
当年的磁带,CD,MD随声听可不是分分钟就淘汰的,60/70/80后都玩的不亦乐乎哦。
燃料电池技术上是可行的,但是鬼子的燃料电池注定是死路一条!因为在政治上行不通, 还拉上安倍作广告!去年 ...
德系都一直在燃料电池上着力。
不出事则已。
内燃机和混合动力已经属于传统领域了,尤其是技术专利权已经快要结束。日系可以发挥其在多领域的材料开发优 ...

你也太崇日了。家电业手机业他怎么玩完的?
乌尔奇奥拉 发表于 2015-2-13 21:01
主要是氢密度最低,存储必须超低温或超高压,安全隐患远大于汽油
还是超高压好一些
把这个技术难点攻克了
可以惠及很多领域
你也太崇日了。家电业手机业他怎么玩完的?
家电行业已经走进了同质化时代,创新之路已经越走越窄了,玩品牌和降成本日本人不擅长。未来汽车行业早晚也会走到这一步,从谷歌,苹果,富士康都宣布要搞汽车就看出一斑。燃料电池汽车是技术革命,日本在多领域的材料研究优势可以发挥出来,未雨绸缪总是对的,不然重蹈家电和手机的覆辙不可避免。
cf海丝带 发表于 2015-2-15 12:33
还是超高压好一些
把这个技术难点攻克了
可以惠及很多领域
现在是制造、使用、维护、保养成本太高。用在特殊用途或者大型容器还有可能,用在廉价大批量制造汽车,根本不现实。
我只知道,96年第一代普锐斯刚推出来的时候,每个人都在嘲笑丰田,结果后来的发展将这些传统厂商打得满地找牙。而且我也觉得,纯电动车一点都不环保,都要靠火电充电,环保个P。
氢燃料电池的缺点很明显,存储时要么超低温(液氢)、要么超高压(压缩气瓶)、要么牺牲容量(使用某些可以吸附氢气的物质),总之上经济性、可靠性和安全性上是不可兼得的,在这一点上比基于电池的纯电动车还糟糕。
家电行业已经走进了同质化时代,创新之路已经越走越窄了,玩品牌和降成本日本人不擅长。未来汽车行业早晚 ...
但不安全和造价高昂使用费用大也是它不可避免的三大缺陷,一步到位并不是最好的选择。
但不安全和造价高昂使用费用大也是它不可避免的三大缺陷,一步到位并不是最好的选择。
安全性有待确认,造价已经和电瓶车不相上下,至于百公里加氢成本剧丰田介绍和现阶段汽油差不多。以上丰田不会造假,否则氢燃料车的基本开发基础就站不住脚的。