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2012年，印度国防部高级官员称达索阵风的报价是单价6000-6500万美元，现在要至少1.2亿美元。这样阵风项目会不少于280-300亿美元。印度空军对变得如此高的资金需求非常头痛
（当然这是托辞，压根不信印度宣布阵风获选的时候不知道阵风行情，当时法军自用的都达到1.26亿美元均摊单价）
2007年，印度空军计划招标时的预算是120亿美元126架，2012年1月宣布竞标结果时调升到180亿美元，刚一年时间项目估价又大幅跳升
阵风采购前景黯淡
印度空军计划、将、打算拥有45个战斗机中队，现在只有30个，还有大量米格机和美洲豹攻击机需要退役
（1月22日，又坠毁一架美洲豹）
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/sto ... -safe/1/339171.html
100% price escalation on Rafale fighter aircraft to Rs 1.75 lakh crore likely to dent IAF's strike capability
http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/ ... -capability-1957107
In January 2012, when Rafale was declared the winner, its price was quoted between $60-65 million (Rs373-Rs400 crore). A top defence ministry official said the price of a fighter jet made by Dassault could now cost $120 million (Rs746 crore). The second bidder, Eurofighter, had quoted $80-85 million (Rs497-Rs528 crore).
The price hike would mean that the deal would cost India nothing less than $28-30 billion (Rs1.75 lakh crore-Rs1.86 lakh crore),” said an Indian Air Force (IAF) official, who is privy to discussions of the cost negotiation committee.
The defence ministry headed by AK Antony has developed cold feet after the cost doubled compared to the original estimate. With the general elections just months away, Antony is unsure about the fate of the deal, a defence ministry official said. “As the negotiations continue, the cost is spiralling out of hand. It is a major worry,” he said.
An IAF official said that in 2007, when the tender was floated, the cost of the programme was $12 billion (Rs42,000 crore). When the lowest bidder was declared in January 2012, the cost of the deal shot up to $18 billion (Rs90,000 crore).
Eighteen of the 126 planes will be purchased directly from Dassault, while Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will manufacture the other 108 under a licence, at an upcoming facility in Bangalore.
The IAF, which is fighting its depleting combat strength, was banking on Rafale as this was going to be the force’s leading fighter plane for the next four decades. “With chances of the MMRCA deal getting inked appearing dim, there seems to be no solution to the immediate problem of shrinking squadron numbers as existing aircraft are forced into retirement,” said another IAF official.
The air force is seeking to replace its ageing MiG-21s with a modern fighter and MMRCA fits between India’s high-end Sukhoi-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 fighter jet squadrons. However, it only has 30 squadrons operational as old aircraft have been retired.
2012年，印度国防部高级官员称达索阵风的报价是单价6000-6500万美元，现在要至少1.2亿美元。这样阵风项目会不少于280-300亿美元。印度空军对变得如此高的资金需求非常头痛
（当然这是托辞，压根不信印度宣布阵风获选的时候不知道阵风行情，当时法军自用的都达到1.26亿美元均摊单价）
2007年，印度空军计划招标时的预算是120亿美元126架，2012年1月宣布竞标结果时调升到180亿美元，刚一年时间项目估价又大幅跳升
阵风采购前景黯淡
印度空军计划、将、打算拥有45个战斗机中队，现在只有30个，还有大量米格机和美洲豹攻击机需要退役
（1月22日，又坠毁一架美洲豹）
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/sto ... -safe/1/339171.html
100% price escalation on Rafale fighter aircraft to Rs 1.75 lakh crore likely to dent IAF's strike capability
http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/ ... -capability-1957107
In January 2012, when Rafale was declared the winner, its price was quoted between $60-65 million (Rs373-Rs400 crore). A top defence ministry official said the price of a fighter jet made by Dassault could now cost $120 million (Rs746 crore). The second bidder, Eurofighter, had quoted $80-85 million (Rs497-Rs528 crore).
The price hike would mean that the deal would cost India nothing less than $28-30 billion (Rs1.75 lakh crore-Rs1.86 lakh crore),” said an Indian Air Force (IAF) official, who is privy to discussions of the cost negotiation committee.
The defence ministry headed by AK Antony has developed cold feet after the cost doubled compared to the original estimate. With the general elections just months away, Antony is unsure about the fate of the deal, a defence ministry official said. “As the negotiations continue, the cost is spiralling out of hand. It is a major worry,” he said.
An IAF official said that in 2007, when the tender was floated, the cost of the programme was $12 billion (Rs42,000 crore). When the lowest bidder was declared in January 2012, the cost of the deal shot up to $18 billion (Rs90,000 crore).
Eighteen of the 126 planes will be purchased directly from Dassault, while Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will manufacture the other 108 under a licence, at an upcoming facility in Bangalore.
The IAF, which is fighting its depleting combat strength, was banking on Rafale as this was going to be the force’s leading fighter plane for the next four decades. “With chances of the MMRCA deal getting inked appearing dim, there seems to be no solution to the immediate problem of shrinking squadron numbers as existing aircraft are forced into retirement,” said another IAF official.
The air force is seeking to replace its ageing MiG-21s with a modern fighter and MMRCA fits between India’s high-end Sukhoi-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 fighter jet squadrons. However, it only has 30 squadrons operational as old aircraft have been retired.
三哥的钱真好赚
如果竞标成功签合同就没这么多麻烦了吧，竞标合同的价格也是有有效期的。
chenqink 发表于 2014-1-26 19:59
如果竞标成功签合同就没这么多麻烦了吧，竞标合同的价格也是有有效期的。
印度获赠俄国航母和法国授权生产潜艇，在合同签约后，不断增加价码成了惯例
自己造不出来，就不要怪别人涨价了
chenqink 发表于 2014-1-26 19:59
如果竞标成功签合同就没这么多麻烦了吧，竞标合同的价格也是有有效期的。
印度获赠俄国航母和法国授权生产潜艇，在合同签约后，不断增加价码成了惯例
自己造不出来，就不要怪别人涨价了
去年印度空军向一年拯救2次米格-21的飞行员授勋
（如果一年只处理一次米格-21高危事故就不给了吗？）
印度空军飞机缺口这么大，外国公司有恃无恐也不奇怪
IAF MiG-21 pilot awarded medal for saving aircraft twice last year
http://idrw.org/?p=32587
An IAF FIGHTER pilot who brought a stricken Mig-21 Bison back to the base after his aircraft¡¯s systems failed by holding a torch in his mouth was awarded Shaurya Chakra on the eve of Republic Day.
He also managed to avoid another possible crash after his combat jet was hit by a bird in a separate incident.His professional handling of two grave emergency situations within a span of three months was hailed in the IAF circle as an act of gallantry.
Wing Commander Singh was flying a Mig-21 Bison to Halwara for a practice diversion night sortie on April 30 last year when the electric system of the aircraft failed.The cockpit lights faded slowly, making it difficult for him to see the instruments in the dark night.
He removed his mask to hold a torch in his mouth to keep an eye on the instruments.He lowered the undercarriage and flaps to take off position before the electric system failure would have jammed the controls. He flew with the help of only pressure instruments and the global position system and brought the aircraft down safely.
The officer was in the middle of another emergency situation three months later on July 29.This time he was the captain of Mig-21 T-69 trainer flying from the rear seat. The engine of the aircraft failed after a bird hit when he was coming for landing.
Wing Commander Singh managed an engine off glide to land the aircraft safely without any damage.The fighter pilot showed composure in emergency situation and has set an excellent professional example for others to emulate, said his award citation.
The two situations could have turned fatal for the pilot as the emergencies were grave.The pilot used his experience to handle the failures. The ageing Mig-21s have been in the news for years now for high accident rate.
Source: http://www.indiandefence.com/for ... .html#ixzz2rVTygkak
（如果一年只处理一次米格-21高危事故就不给了吗？）
印度空军飞机缺口这么大，外国公司有恃无恐也不奇怪
IAF MiG-21 pilot awarded medal for saving aircraft twice last year
http://idrw.org/?p=32587
An IAF FIGHTER pilot who brought a stricken Mig-21 Bison back to the base after his aircraft¡¯s systems failed by holding a torch in his mouth was awarded Shaurya Chakra on the eve of Republic Day.
He also managed to avoid another possible crash after his combat jet was hit by a bird in a separate incident.His professional handling of two grave emergency situations within a span of three months was hailed in the IAF circle as an act of gallantry.
Wing Commander Singh was flying a Mig-21 Bison to Halwara for a practice diversion night sortie on April 30 last year when the electric system of the aircraft failed.The cockpit lights faded slowly, making it difficult for him to see the instruments in the dark night.
He removed his mask to hold a torch in his mouth to keep an eye on the instruments.He lowered the undercarriage and flaps to take off position before the electric system failure would have jammed the controls. He flew with the help of only pressure instruments and the global position system and brought the aircraft down safely.
The officer was in the middle of another emergency situation three months later on July 29.This time he was the captain of Mig-21 T-69 trainer flying from the rear seat. The engine of the aircraft failed after a bird hit when he was coming for landing.
Wing Commander Singh managed an engine off glide to land the aircraft safely without any damage.The fighter pilot showed composure in emergency situation and has set an excellent professional example for others to emulate, said his award citation.
The two situations could have turned fatal for the pilot as the emergencies were grave.The pilot used his experience to handle the failures. The ageing Mig-21s have been in the news for years now for high accident rate.
Source: http://www.indiandefence.com/for ... .html#ixzz2rVTygkak
现在国际市场，JAS-39都能卖1.5亿美元单价
哎，印度这是要干什么？
法国这人是摆明了不想卖的节奏？
法国货怎么可能便宜，人工贵，规模又小
我就不明白，为啥还不签商业合同？
其实中标的时候就有评论，签合同不会顺利，按照阿三的性格，拖黄了也有可能。
买的那个鱿鱼级潜艇，现在都还没下水呢。
买的那个鱿鱼级潜艇，现在都还没下水呢。
这价格，首选F35吧，要不，买苏35也行，我们一起用，哈。
haireh 发表于 2014-1-26 20:46
这价格，首选F35吧，要不，买苏35也行，我们一起用，哈。
嘿嘿~Ni以为f-35就不会涨价啊。。看看美国开始研发f35开始到现在价格涨了多少了？那可是翻着倍来的，美军自己都吃不消了，更别说卖给3哥这冤大头了，那还不往死里宰！
这价格，首选F35吧，要不，买苏35也行，我们一起用，哈。
嘿嘿~Ni以为f-35就不会涨价啊。。看看美国开始研发f35开始到现在价格涨了多少了？那可是翻着倍来的，美军自己都吃不消了，更别说卖给3哥这冤大头了，那还不往死里宰！
翎羽 发表于 2014-1-26 20:28
现在国际市场，JAS-39都能卖1.5亿美元单价
看看Jas-39在国际市场上的销量就知道其是真有料，要知道军售尤其是战机更是和地缘政治关系极为密切，在美俄势力范围之外居然能销售好几国充分说明其实力值那个价，就象宝马M1虽是小车但是精品小车，不便宜。
现在国际市场，JAS-39都能卖1.5亿美元单价
看看Jas-39在国际市场上的销量就知道其是真有料，要知道军售尤其是战机更是和地缘政治关系极为密切，在美俄势力范围之外居然能销售好几国充分说明其实力值那个价，就象宝马M1虽是小车但是精品小车，不便宜。
三哥还不如买f35呐。。。高大上
三锅可以采购歼十B
sheng801015 发表于 2014-1-26 20:49
嘿嘿~Ni以为f-35就不会涨价啊。。看看美国开始研发f35开始到现在价格涨了多少了？那可是翻着倍来的，美军 ...
美帝很厚道，同批同价，只要不转让技术生产，比如小鬼子非要生产，价格通常对各国都是一样的，棒子把波音当道具演戏，也没能砍下F35的价。。。
1.2亿美元，现在还买阵风，太不合算了，不如中印一起买苏35，与俄毛谈个大批/*发/*价。
嘿嘿~Ni以为f-35就不会涨价啊。。看看美国开始研发f35开始到现在价格涨了多少了？那可是翻着倍来的，美军 ...
美帝很厚道，同批同价，只要不转让技术生产，比如小鬼子非要生产，价格通常对各国都是一样的，棒子把波音当道具演戏，也没能砍下F35的价。。。
1.2亿美元，现在还买阵风，太不合算了，不如中印一起买苏35，与俄毛谈个大批/*发/*价。
killbills 发表于 2014-1-26 20:57
三锅可以采购歼十B
可以考虑巴铁淘汰滴
三锅可以采购歼十B
可以考虑巴铁淘汰滴
实实在在，这个价格不如买F-35，但签合同要快，晚了涨价。
看看Jas-39在国际市场上的销量就知道其是真有料，要知道军售尤其是战机更是和地缘政治关系极为密切，在美 ...
政治附加条件少也是个优势，对那些不想将自己捆绑住的国家来说
政治附加条件少也是个优势，对那些不想将自己捆绑住的国家来说
wangbin瑟尔 发表于 2014-1-26 21:13
政治附加条件少也是个优势，对那些不想将自己捆绑住的国家来说
有军事评论家说过在美俄笼罩下能卖出去的必定是同类的顶级水平，如德国的坦克瑞典的战机。我们的小龙也许定位错误想以价取胜，可是目前看走精品以质取胜路线更成功。
政治附加条件少也是个优势，对那些不想将自己捆绑住的国家来说
有军事评论家说过在美俄笼罩下能卖出去的必定是同类的顶级水平，如德国的坦克瑞典的战机。我们的小龙也许定位错误想以价取胜，可是目前看走精品以质取胜路线更成功。
3哥自己那么多苏30，继续再追加不就行了。搞不懂干嘛去买阵风
鸡的日子很不好过
自 2001 年 5 月 18 日服役以来达索共已交付 126 架该型战机: 舰载型 “阵风” M 39 架，双座空军型 “阵风” B 42 架，单座空军型 “阵风” C 45 架。累计订单 180 架 (含已交付机体，不包括尚未敲定合同的印度版)，雄鸡国预期采购总数为 225 架。计划装备数量 286 架时预估的项目总开支 (含 R & D 及基建费用，不包括后续升级 & 运作开销) 为 435.6 亿欧元，单价 (PAUC, Program Acquisition Unit Cost) 1.52 亿欧元，足以令 “闪电” II 汗颜 (假定美军仍按计划采购 3 型 2443 架 F-35)，刨掉 Overhead 的 URF (Unit Recurring Flyaway) 单价根据配置不同在 8900 万-12400 万美刀间浮动 (wiki 数据)。印度订单的重要性显而易见 (规模相当于过去 12 年中整个鸡的采购数量，如果追加至 200 架则几乎与缩水后的法军预期装备总数持平)。达索和苏霍伊可都指望着三儿的银子养老呢...
自 2001 年 5 月 18 日服役以来达索共已交付 126 架该型战机: 舰载型 “阵风” M 39 架，双座空军型 “阵风” B 42 架，单座空军型 “阵风” C 45 架。累计订单 180 架 (含已交付机体，不包括尚未敲定合同的印度版)，雄鸡国预期采购总数为 225 架。计划装备数量 286 架时预估的项目总开支 (含 R & D 及基建费用，不包括后续升级 & 运作开销) 为 435.6 亿欧元，单价 (PAUC, Program Acquisition Unit Cost) 1.52 亿欧元，足以令 “闪电” II 汗颜 (假定美军仍按计划采购 3 型 2443 架 F-35)，刨掉 Overhead 的 URF (Unit Recurring Flyaway) 单价根据配置不同在 8900 万-12400 万美刀间浮动 (wiki 数据)。印度订单的重要性显而易见 (规模相当于过去 12 年中整个鸡的采购数量，如果追加至 200 架则几乎与缩水后的法军预期装备总数持平)。达索和苏霍伊可都指望着三儿的银子养老呢...
三锅这是要四面开刷，变精明了啊
He removed his mask to hold a torch in his mouth to keep an eye on the instruments. ？？
这句没看懂，求翻译
这句没看懂，求翻译
xxh911 发表于 2014-1-26 21:52
He removed his mask to hold a torch in his mouth to keep an eye on the instruments. ？？
这句没看 ...
打开面具，嘴里含了支手电筒来看清仪表。
He removed his mask to hold a torch in his mouth to keep an eye on the instruments. ？？
这句没看 ...
打开面具，嘴里含了支手电筒来看清仪表。
回扣还没到账吗？
印度这项采购到底要拖多少年？是不是要最后拖到三代机不值钱了再说，当年提出的时候可是可以碾压周边空军啊
乐不思蜀 发表于 2014-1-26 20:45
其实中标的时候就有评论，签合同不会顺利，按照阿三的性格，拖黄了也有可能。
买的那个鱿鱼级潜艇，现在都 ...
鮋鱼级实在没必要买，这是把自己的后勤往死里整啊，周边的安全环境用基洛级卓卓有余了。
其实中标的时候就有评论，签合同不会顺利，按照阿三的性格，拖黄了也有可能。
买的那个鱿鱼级潜艇，现在都 ...
鮋鱼级实在没必要买，这是把自己的后勤往死里整啊，周边的安全环境用基洛级卓卓有余了。
阿三当冤大头已经习惯了
alaachai 发表于 2014-1-26 22:15
鮋鱼级实在没必要买，这是把自己的后勤往死里整啊，周边的安全环境用基洛级卓卓有余了。
阿三拥有全球最能干的后勤队伍。空军装备4国战机都不怕麻烦，海军怎么能落到后面？
鮋鱼级实在没必要买，这是把自己的后勤往死里整啊，周边的安全环境用基洛级卓卓有余了。
阿三拥有全球最能干的后勤队伍。空军装备4国战机都不怕麻烦，海军怎么能落到后面？
法国跟某国学的
ycbd 发表于 2014-1-26 21:36
鸡的日子很不好过
自 2001 年 5 月 18 日服役以来达索共已交付 126 架该型战机: 舰载型 “阵风” M ...
尼玛太贵了这货，算起来2亿刀一架是最低价格啊
鸡的日子很不好过
自 2001 年 5 月 18 日服役以来达索共已交付 126 架该型战机: 舰载型 “阵风” M ...
尼玛太贵了这货，算起来2亿刀一架是最低价格啊
三哥当初就该买狮鹫，瑞典萨博不坑人
那就买一半吧。
6000-6500万美刀想买一架三代半的阵风？世界上哪有这等便宜事？
三哥不是喝高了，就是找借口不想买了。
三哥不是喝高了，就是找借口不想买了。
天策府属 发表于 2014-1-26 22:03
打开面具，嘴里含了支手电筒来看清仪表。
我还以为我理解错了
夜航高空飞机停电，口含手电看仪表飞回？三哥技能点满啊？
打开面具，嘴里含了支手电筒来看清仪表。
我还以为我理解错了
夜航高空飞机停电，口含手电看仪表飞回？三哥技能点满啊？
三哥不差钱
产量低于歼10的四代机都被我无视了！
F-16T 发表于 2014-1-26 22:29
三哥当初就该买狮鹫，瑞典萨博不坑人
飞过鹰狮谁会再去飞LCA？那是三哥最后的颜面。
三哥当初就该买狮鹫，瑞典萨博不坑人
飞过鹰狮谁会再去飞LCA？那是三哥最后的颜面。