巴铁对兔子识别区的评价，最后一句亮了

#7
Nov23,2013
cirr
@Rainmaker,#5
Take it easy buddy。
Annual increase of10% for the next 20 years should do it。

淡定，兄弟。
接下来20年每年再增涨10%好了（笑）。


#8
Nov23,2013
S10
The military budgetincrease should be pegged to GDP growth, no more, no less. Defense spendingshould not exceed 2% of nominal GDP or 20% of government spending.


国防预算增长应该同GDP增长相协调，不要多，也不要少。防御开支不应该超多名义国内生产总值的2%或者政府开支的20%。


#9
Nov23,2013
walle
just increase taxes,call it the "little japan" tax. everyone is willing to pay.


增点税就行，就叫“小日本税”，大家肯定都乐意缴。


#11
Nov23,2013
Srinivas
Is this a joke orwhat??
Don't be surprisedif china does the same kind of circus in SCs and claims any one who enters SCShas to obey Chinese laws.
This air defensediktat do not work and china will become joke if Japan violates repetitively.


这是开玩笑还是干吗呢？
如果中国在南海耍同样的手段宣称谁进入就得遵守中国法律那我一点也不会感到惊讶。
这个单方面的防空勒令不会奏效的，如果日本不断地侵犯防空识别区，那中国就成笑话了。


#13
Nov23,2013
Rainmaker
Military spendingshould always be the main priority of the central government. Education,infrastructure, pension, etc should be left up for local government and privateinvestors. When you devote the central budget to welfare you end up like afailed European state.
China is being fullycontained by US, Japan, India, Vietnam, Philippines, Australia.
PLA is still decadesbehind Japan in technology let alone the US military. Unless more money isgiven to military, the technology gap will never close between the PLA andJapan. Forget about the US. Even lowly India has 3 aircraft carriers.
25% of the centralbudget should be the bare minimum that should be allocated to militaryspending. 75% for other things is more than enough. Infact even 75% for otherthings is too much. Local government should be spending money on education,infrastructure, etc.
The main priority ofthe central government is national security, that is its primary role.
Central budget is $1trillion. 25% of that is $250 billion. $250 should be the floor on militaryspending for China.
Only loony liberalswants to waste money on useless welfare projects that gives ZERO benefit toChina's future.
Soviet Union didn'tcollapse because of its military spending, it collapsed due to its rigideconomic system where there was no market for goods & services, factorprices, etc.


军事开支应该成为中央政府开支的主要部分。教育，基建，养老等等应该留给地方政府和私人投资者。当你把中央预算共享给福利事业时，你就会像欧盟那样失败。
中国被美国、日本、印度、越南、菲律宾和澳大利亚重重包围。
即使抛开美军不说，中国解放军落后日均几十年。除非更多的钱被用于军事，否则中日间的军事差距是不会缩小的。更别说还有美国。即便是阿三也有3艘航母啊。25%的中央预算用于军事开支应该是最小的数字。75%用于其他已经过多了。地方政府应该为教育、基建等负责。
中央政府应该优先国家安全，这才是其主要角色。
中央预算是1万亿美元。25%就是2500亿美元。2500亿美元对中国军事投入来说只不过是底限。
只有发疯的自由派才会在对中国未来毫无用处的福利工程中浪费资金。
苏联并不是因为其军事开支而解体，而是由于其计划经济体制，其中没有商品、服务市场，生产价格要素等等。


#14
Nov23,2013
tranquilium
@Rainmaker,#5
25% is way too muchfor peace time. I think 2 to 2.5% is about right. The current one is a bit low.

在和平时期，25%太多了。我觉得2%~2.5%差不多。现在的军事开支太少。


#15
Nov23,2013
Rainmaker
@tranquilium，#14
I'm not talking about25% of GDP, I'm talking about 25% of central government spending.
Current centralgovernment spending is $1.14 trillion. So 25% of that is around $280 billion.
GDP numbers of everycountry are not reliable (understated and overstated), only thing is what youare spending and how much of that spending goes towards military

我并不是说GDP的25%，我是说中央预算的25%。
当前中央政府预算是1.14万亿美元，所以25%应该差不多是2800亿美元。
每个国家的GDP数字都不可靠(低报或者高报)，可靠的只有你要花多少和多少要花到军事上。


#16
Nov23,2013
Fsial
I'm with Rainmaker.CPC needs to spend more money to PLA, or the CPC themselves could be moremilitarized, rather be seen in a soft way.

我同意Rainmaker，中共应该给解放军多投点钱，或者中共自己更军事化些，而不是像现在这样软趴趴的。


#17
Nov23,2013
Fsial
Why the f*ck doesJapan have such massive air defense zone that goes far into S. Korean water?
Seriously, Chinashould extend their air defense zone too.

为什么他喵的日本划这么大块的防空识别区，都划到韩国海域了好伐？
说真的，中国应该把防空识别区划再大点。


#19
Nov23,2013
terranMarine
@Srinivas,#11
Lost your tonguecriticizing China now after seeing Japan's air-defence zone? Yeah China'sdefence zone is a mad joke but if it is Japan it's okay right? I wonder why somany Indians are so obsessed with China when their own country is a sh!thole.

看过日本的防空识别区后怎么不来批评中国了？对，中国的放空区是个玩笑，难道日本的就不是么？我很奇怪为什么这么多印度人喜欢对中国指指点点，而他们自己的国家只是坨翔。


#24
Nov24,2013
Killswitch
I wonder which sideis going to flinch first. This is quite the game of chicken being played. Amajor regional war could break out.

我想知道哪边会先怂。这就像斗鸡一样。一个大型区域战争就要爆发了


#25
Nov24,2013
Rainmaker
@Killswitch，#24
The longer time goesby, the more the advantage shift towards China as our power grows.
That's why Japan andAmerica are panicking, they realise their timeframe is getting narrower andnarrower as China becomes stronger and stronger.

时间拖得越久，随着力量的增涨，中国的优势就越大。
这就是为什么日美这么紧张，因为他们意识到自己的时间表越来越紧张随着中国越来越强大。


#27
Nov24,2013
S10
@Rainmaker，@25
Food, education,healthcare and housing are the strong foundations of a stable society. Withouta stable society, economy cannot be prosperous. Without a prosperous economy,there cannot be a capable military.
The problem withthat you stated is that local governments have limited options to raise money.As a result they resort to selling land and burrowing, which drives up realestate bubbles and form debt crisis. You need to give the provincial and localgovernment more revenue for income if you want them to fully pay for anythingnot related to defence and public security.

食物，教育，医疗和住房是一个稳定社会的基础。没有社会稳定，经济就不会繁荣。没有经济繁荣，就没有强大的军队。
你刚才说的那些，问题就是地方政府筹集资金的手段很少。主要方法就是卖地和借钱，这会引发房地产泡沫和债务危机。如果你想让地方政府独自承担所有除国防开支外的开支，那你就需要给予地方政府更多的岁入。


#28
Nov24,2013
MarkusS
China acts stupidwith this move. It is the german position, that Senkaku are part of Japan.China should stop its stupid behavior and act reasonable. Before trying tosteal other nations land it should solve it′s Tibet issue.
I think Chinasbehavior is sign for weak leadership. Chinas regime is weak and needs external"enemies" to create peace at home. In a case of war, Germany wouldside with Japan and full support it.

中国这个动作真是愚蠢。从一个德国人的立场认为，尖阁列岛是日本的。中国应该停止其愚蠢行为，表现得理性一点。在想方设法窃取别国领土前，先解决西藏问题吧。
我认为中国的行为是领导层无力的标致。中国的政权无能，需要外部“敌人”来创造内部和平。一旦战争爆发，德国将站在日本这一边并全力支持他。


#32
Nov24,2013
Skynight
A moron ruined thewhole thread…

一个2B把整个帖子毁了。。。 防空识别区 #7
Nov23,2013
cirr
@Rainmaker,#5
Take it easy buddy。
Annual increase of10% for the next 20 years should do it。

淡定，兄弟。
接下来20年每年再增涨10%好了（笑）。


#8
Nov23,2013
S10
The military budgetincrease should be pegged to GDP growth, no more, no less. Defense spendingshould not exceed 2% of nominal GDP or 20% of government spending.


国防预算增长应该同GDP增长相协调，不要多，也不要少。防御开支不应该超多名义国内生产总值的2%或者政府开支的20%。


#9
Nov23,2013
walle
just increase taxes,call it the "little japan" tax. everyone is willing to pay.


增点税就行，就叫“小日本税”，大家肯定都乐意缴。


#11
Nov23,2013
Srinivas
Is this a joke orwhat??
Don't be surprisedif china does the same kind of circus in SCs and claims any one who enters SCShas to obey Chinese laws.
This air defensediktat do not work and china will become joke if Japan violates repetitively.


这是开玩笑还是干吗呢？
如果中国在南海耍同样的手段宣称谁进入就得遵守中国法律那我一点也不会感到惊讶。
这个单方面的防空勒令不会奏效的，如果日本不断地侵犯防空识别区，那中国就成笑话了。


#13
Nov23,2013
Rainmaker
Military spendingshould always be the main priority of the central government. Education,infrastructure, pension, etc should be left up for local government and privateinvestors. When you devote the central budget to welfare you end up like afailed European state.
China is being fullycontained by US, Japan, India, Vietnam, Philippines, Australia.
PLA is still decadesbehind Japan in technology let alone the US military. Unless more money isgiven to military, the technology gap will never close between the PLA andJapan. Forget about the US. Even lowly India has 3 aircraft carriers.
25% of the centralbudget should be the bare minimum that should be allocated to militaryspending. 75% for other things is more than enough. Infact even 75% for otherthings is too much. Local government should be spending money on education,infrastructure, etc.
The main priority ofthe central government is national security, that is its primary role.
Central budget is $1trillion. 25% of that is $250 billion. $250 should be the floor on militaryspending for China.
Only loony liberalswants to waste money on useless welfare projects that gives ZERO benefit toChina's future.
Soviet Union didn'tcollapse because of its military spending, it collapsed due to its rigideconomic system where there was no market for goods & services, factorprices, etc.


军事开支应该成为中央政府开支的主要部分。教育，基建，养老等等应该留给地方政府和私人投资者。当你把中央预算共享给福利事业时，你就会像欧盟那样失败。
中国被美国、日本、印度、越南、菲律宾和澳大利亚重重包围。
即使抛开美军不说，中国解放军落后日均几十年。除非更多的钱被用于军事，否则中日间的军事差距是不会缩小的。更别说还有美国。即便是阿三也有3艘航母啊。25%的中央预算用于军事开支应该是最小的数字。75%用于其他已经过多了。地方政府应该为教育、基建等负责。
中央政府应该优先国家安全，这才是其主要角色。
中央预算是1万亿美元。25%就是2500亿美元。2500亿美元对中国军事投入来说只不过是底限。
只有发疯的自由派才会在对中国未来毫无用处的福利工程中浪费资金。
苏联并不是因为其军事开支而解体，而是由于其计划经济体制，其中没有商品、服务市场，生产价格要素等等。


#14
Nov23,2013
tranquilium
@Rainmaker,#5
25% is way too muchfor peace time. I think 2 to 2.5% is about right. The current one is a bit low.

在和平时期，25%太多了。我觉得2%~2.5%差不多。现在的军事开支太少。


#15
Nov23,2013
Rainmaker
@tranquilium，#14
I'm not talking about25% of GDP, I'm talking about 25% of central government spending.
Current centralgovernment spending is $1.14 trillion. So 25% of that is around $280 billion.
GDP numbers of everycountry are not reliable (understated and overstated), only thing is what youare spending and how much of that spending goes towards military

我并不是说GDP的25%，我是说中央预算的25%。
当前中央政府预算是1.14万亿美元，所以25%应该差不多是2800亿美元。
每个国家的GDP数字都不可靠(低报或者高报)，可靠的只有你要花多少和多少要花到军事上。


#16
Nov23,2013
Fsial
I'm with Rainmaker.CPC needs to spend more money to PLA, or the CPC themselves could be moremilitarized, rather be seen in a soft way.

我同意Rainmaker，中共应该给解放军多投点钱，或者中共自己更军事化些，而不是像现在这样软趴趴的。


#17
Nov23,2013
Fsial
Why the f*ck doesJapan have such massive air defense zone that goes far into S. Korean water?
Seriously, Chinashould extend their air defense zone too.

为什么他喵的日本划这么大块的防空识别区，都划到韩国海域了好伐？
说真的，中国应该把防空识别区划再大点。


#19
Nov23,2013
terranMarine
@Srinivas,#11
Lost your tonguecriticizing China now after seeing Japan's air-defence zone? Yeah China'sdefence zone is a mad joke but if it is Japan it's okay right? I wonder why somany Indians are so obsessed with China when their own country is a sh!thole.

看过日本的防空识别区后怎么不来批评中国了？对，中国的放空区是个玩笑，难道日本的就不是么？我很奇怪为什么这么多印度人喜欢对中国指指点点，而他们自己的国家只是坨翔。


#24
Nov24,2013
Killswitch
I wonder which sideis going to flinch first. This is quite the game of chicken being played. Amajor regional war could break out.

我想知道哪边会先怂。这就像斗鸡一样。一个大型区域战争就要爆发了


#25
Nov24,2013
Rainmaker
@Killswitch，#24
The longer time goesby, the more the advantage shift towards China as our power grows.
That's why Japan andAmerica are panicking, they realise their timeframe is getting narrower andnarrower as China becomes stronger and stronger.

时间拖得越久，随着力量的增涨，中国的优势就越大。
这就是为什么日美这么紧张，因为他们意识到自己的时间表越来越紧张随着中国越来越强大。


#27
Nov24,2013
S10
@Rainmaker，@25
Food, education,healthcare and housing are the strong foundations of a stable society. Withouta stable society, economy cannot be prosperous. Without a prosperous economy,there cannot be a capable military.
The problem withthat you stated is that local governments have limited options to raise money.As a result they resort to selling land and burrowing, which drives up realestate bubbles and form debt crisis. You need to give the provincial and localgovernment more revenue for income if you want them to fully pay for anythingnot related to defence and public security.

食物，教育，医疗和住房是一个稳定社会的基础。没有社会稳定，经济就不会繁荣。没有经济繁荣，就没有强大的军队。
你刚才说的那些，问题就是地方政府筹集资金的手段很少。主要方法就是卖地和借钱，这会引发房地产泡沫和债务危机。如果你想让地方政府独自承担所有除国防开支外的开支，那你就需要给予地方政府更多的岁入。


#28
Nov24,2013
MarkusS
China acts stupidwith this move. It is the german position, that Senkaku are part of Japan.China should stop its stupid behavior and act reasonable. Before trying tosteal other nations land it should solve it′s Tibet issue.
I think Chinasbehavior is sign for weak leadership. Chinas regime is weak and needs external"enemies" to create peace at home. In a case of war, Germany wouldside with Japan and full support it.

中国这个动作真是愚蠢。从一个德国人的立场认为，尖阁列岛是日本的。中国应该停止其愚蠢行为，表现得理性一点。在想方设法窃取别国领土前，先解决西藏问题吧。
我认为中国的行为是领导层无力的标致。中国的政权无能，需要外部“敌人”来创造内部和平。一旦战争爆发，德国将站在日本这一边并全力支持他。


#32
Nov24,2013
Skynight
A moron ruined thewhole thread…

一个2B把整个帖子毁了。。。 防空识别区