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Turkey 'highly likely' to sign missile deal with Chinese company in six months: Defense official
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he US Patriot air defense system, which is seen in the photo, is one of the systems competing for Turkey’s long-range anti-missile and air defense systems. AA Photo
Sevil Erkuşsevil.kucukkosum@hdn.com.tr
Turkey is highly likely to sign a deal to co-produce its first long-range anti-missile system with a Chinese firm in six months, a senior defense ministry official has said, dismissing concerns from NATO and the prospect of U.S. sanctions for the company.
“Almost all the production of the missiles would take place in Turkey,” Undersecretary of Defense Industries of Turkey Murad Bayar told reporters on Oct 3.
The U.S. sanctions on China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) “does not legally affect” Turkey, Bayar said.
Addressing another possible concern of the U.S. regarding the leaking of technological know-how to a third country, China in this case, Bayar said: “Turkey is a country which entirely complies with international commitments, therefore never shares technology or products acquired from a third country and produced in Turkey given final user license.”
Turkey has been carrying out projects with more than one country, and necessary measures were taken to protect this information, he noted.
Bayar stressed that Turkey had no concerns regarding the Chinese system being inter-operable with the Turkish air defense system, but also supported any joint operation with NATO.
The Turkish defense industry would produce its own “integration server” to connect the anti-missile system to its domestic air defense system, so that there would be no exchange of operational data with the Chinese company, he said.
“This is entirely compatible with NATO standards,” Bayar added.
Moreover, the “communication system” would also be domestically produced, Bayar said, referring to whether the system was needed for any joint Turkey-NATO operation abroad.
“There is no obligation to buy the system from NATO member countries,” Bayar stated.
He recalled that new NATO member eastern-bloc countries were still using earlier eastern-bloc defense systems.
The Chinese company placed the lowest bid of $3.44 billion for the tender, while other rival companies from Russia, the U.S. and Europe offered above $4 billion, the official said.
Bayar said the Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T system came second and Raytheon Co., a U.S. company that builds the Patriot missiles, was third. A Russian bid had been eliminated, Bayar said. If Turkey and the Chinese company could not finalize the missile deal then Ankara would start contract talks with the second firm in the shortlist, Eurosam, he added.
The Chinese company offered the most serious home production support, Bayar said, adding that Turkey would continue to expand its capacity of domestic defense production. Moreover the Chinese offer had the best schedule to activate the system, which would be finalized in four years after signing the deal, he said.
The deal includes the launch of 288 anti-missiles in four systems in the Turkish territory.
October/03/2013
Foreign Ministry: Turkey's priority is creating long-range missile in country
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Priority for Turkey is to create long-range missiles on the territory of the country, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said, Anadolu agency reported on Thursday.
According to him, at present, the government has not yet decided on this issue.
Earlier it was reported that on September 2013 at a meeting of the Turkish Defense Industry Executive Committee it was announced that Chinese CPMIEC company won the tender for the creation of long-range missiles in Turkey.
It was also reported that long-range missiles will be created by the Chinese company in cooperation with Turkish companies.
The Chinese company's project, which envisages the creation of FD- 2000 missiles, technically leaves the Russian, American, and French and Italian companies' projects behind.
A meeting of the Executive Committee of the Turkish defense industry was chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan with the participation of head of the Turkish General Staff Necdet Ozel, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Deputy Minister of Defense Industry Murad Bayar.
In addition, it is reported that the U.S. authorities informed Turkey about their concerns about the country's intentions to cooperate with China in the creation of missile defense systems.
The Turkish defense industry has recently focused on developing and manufacturing its own products. Turkey managed to achieve a self-sufficiency level at 54 percent in the defense industry.
3 October 2013
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Turkey 'highly likely' to sign missile deal with Chinese company in six months: Defense official
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he US Patriot air defense system, which is seen in the photo, is one of the systems competing for Turkey’s long-range anti-missile and air defense systems. AA Photo
Sevil Erkuşsevil.kucukkosum@hdn.com.tr
Turkey is highly likely to sign a deal to co-produce its first long-range anti-missile system with a Chinese firm in six months, a senior defense ministry official has said, dismissing concerns from NATO and the prospect of U.S. sanctions for the company.
“Almost all the production of the missiles would take place in Turkey,” Undersecretary of Defense Industries of Turkey Murad Bayar told reporters on Oct 3.
The U.S. sanctions on China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) “does not legally affect” Turkey, Bayar said.
Addressing another possible concern of the U.S. regarding the leaking of technological know-how to a third country, China in this case, Bayar said: “Turkey is a country which entirely complies with international commitments, therefore never shares technology or products acquired from a third country and produced in Turkey given final user license.”
Turkey has been carrying out projects with more than one country, and necessary measures were taken to protect this information, he noted.
Bayar stressed that Turkey had no concerns regarding the Chinese system being inter-operable with the Turkish air defense system, but also supported any joint operation with NATO.
The Turkish defense industry would produce its own “integration server” to connect the anti-missile system to its domestic air defense system, so that there would be no exchange of operational data with the Chinese company, he said.
“This is entirely compatible with NATO standards,” Bayar added.
Moreover, the “communication system” would also be domestically produced, Bayar said, referring to whether the system was needed for any joint Turkey-NATO operation abroad.
“There is no obligation to buy the system from NATO member countries,” Bayar stated.
He recalled that new NATO member eastern-bloc countries were still using earlier eastern-bloc defense systems.
The Chinese company placed the lowest bid of $3.44 billion for the tender, while other rival companies from Russia, the U.S. and Europe offered above $4 billion, the official said.
Bayar said the Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T system came second and Raytheon Co., a U.S. company that builds the Patriot missiles, was third. A Russian bid had been eliminated, Bayar said. If Turkey and the Chinese company could not finalize the missile deal then Ankara would start contract talks with the second firm in the shortlist, Eurosam, he added.
The Chinese company offered the most serious home production support, Bayar said, adding that Turkey would continue to expand its capacity of domestic defense production. Moreover the Chinese offer had the best schedule to activate the system, which would be finalized in four years after signing the deal, he said.
The deal includes the launch of 288 anti-missiles in four systems in the Turkish territory.
October/03/2013
Foreign Ministry: Turkey's priority is creating long-range missile in country
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3 October 2013
Priority for Turkey is to create long-range missiles on the territory of the country, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said, Anadolu agency reported on Thursday.
According to him, at present, the government has not yet decided on this issue.
Earlier it was reported that on September 2013 at a meeting of the Turkish Defense Industry Executive Committee it was announced that Chinese CPMIEC company won the tender for the creation of long-range missiles in Turkey.
It was also reported that long-range missiles will be created by the Chinese company in cooperation with Turkish companies.
The Chinese company's project, which envisages the creation of FD- 2000 missiles, technically leaves the Russian, American, and French and Italian companies' projects behind.
A meeting of the Executive Committee of the Turkish defense industry was chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan with the participation of head of the Turkish General Staff Necdet Ozel, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Deputy Minister of Defense Industry Murad Bayar.
In addition, it is reported that the U.S. authorities informed Turkey about their concerns about the country's intentions to cooperate with China in the creation of missile defense systems.
The Turkish defense industry has recently focused on developing and manufacturing its own products. Turkey managed to achieve a self-sufficiency level at 54 percent in the defense industry.
3 October 2013
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Turkey 'highly likely' to sign missile deal with Chinese company in six months: Defense official
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Sevil Erkuşsevil.kucukkosum@hdn.com.tr
Turkey is highly likely to sign a deal to co-produce its first long-range anti-missile system with a Chinese firm in six months, a senior defense ministry official has said, dismissing concerns from NATO and the prospect of U.S. sanctions for the company.
“Almost all the production of the missiles would take place in Turkey,” Undersecretary of Defense Industries of Turkey Murad Bayar told reporters on Oct 3.
The U.S. sanctions on China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) “does not legally affect” Turkey, Bayar said.
Addressing another possible concern of the U.S. regarding the leaking of technological know-how to a third country, China in this case, Bayar said: “Turkey is a country which entirely complies with international commitments, therefore never shares technology or products acquired from a third country and produced in Turkey given final user license.”
Turkey has been carrying out projects with more than one country, and necessary measures were taken to protect this information, he noted.
Bayar stressed that Turkey had no concerns regarding the Chinese system being inter-operable with the Turkish air defense system, but also supported any joint operation with NATO.
The Turkish defense industry would produce its own “integration server” to connect the anti-missile system to its domestic air defense system, so that there would be no exchange of operational data with the Chinese company, he said.
“This is entirely compatible with NATO standards,” Bayar added.
Moreover, the “communication system” would also be domestically produced, Bayar said, referring to whether the system was needed for any joint Turkey-NATO operation abroad.
“There is no obligation to buy the system from NATO member countries,” Bayar stated.
He recalled that new NATO member eastern-bloc countries were still using earlier eastern-bloc defense systems.
The Chinese company placed the lowest bid of $3.44 billion for the tender, while other rival companies from Russia, the U.S. and Europe offered above $4 billion, the official said.
Bayar said the Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T system came second and Raytheon Co., a U.S. company that builds the Patriot missiles, was third. A Russian bid had been eliminated, Bayar said. If Turkey and the Chinese company could not finalize the missile deal then Ankara would start contract talks with the second firm in the shortlist, Eurosam, he added.
The Chinese company offered the most serious home production support, Bayar said, adding that Turkey would continue to expand its capacity of domestic defense production. Moreover the Chinese offer had the best schedule to activate the system, which would be finalized in four years after signing the deal, he said.
The deal includes the launch of 288 anti-missiles in four systems in the Turkish territory.
October/03/2013
Foreign Ministry: Turkey's priority is creating long-range missile in country
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3 October 2013
Priority for Turkey is to create long-range missiles on the territory of the country, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said, Anadolu agency reported on Thursday.
According to him, at present, the government has not yet decided on this issue.
Earlier it was reported that on September 2013 at a meeting of the Turkish Defense Industry Executive Committee it was announced that Chinese CPMIEC company won the tender for the creation of long-range missiles in Turkey.
It was also reported that long-range missiles will be created by the Chinese company in cooperation with Turkish companies.
The Chinese company's project, which envisages the creation of FD- 2000 missiles, technically leaves the Russian, American, and French and Italian companies' projects behind.
A meeting of the Executive Committee of the Turkish defense industry was chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan with the participation of head of the Turkish General Staff Necdet Ozel, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Deputy Minister of Defense Industry Murad Bayar.
In addition, it is reported that the U.S. authorities informed Turkey about their concerns about the country's intentions to cooperate with China in the creation of missile defense systems.
The Turkish defense industry has recently focused on developing and manufacturing its own products. Turkey managed to achieve a self-sufficiency level at 54 percent in the defense industry.
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he US Patriot air defense system, which is seen in the photo, is one of the systems competing for Turkey’s long-range anti-missile and air defense systems. AA Photo
Sevil Erkuşsevil.kucukkosum@hdn.com.tr
Turkey is highly likely to sign a deal to co-produce its first long-range anti-missile system with a Chinese firm in six months, a senior defense ministry official has said, dismissing concerns from NATO and the prospect of U.S. sanctions for the company.
“Almost all the production of the missiles would take place in Turkey,” Undersecretary of Defense Industries of Turkey Murad Bayar told reporters on Oct 3.
The U.S. sanctions on China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) “does not legally affect” Turkey, Bayar said.
Addressing another possible concern of the U.S. regarding the leaking of technological know-how to a third country, China in this case, Bayar said: “Turkey is a country which entirely complies with international commitments, therefore never shares technology or products acquired from a third country and produced in Turkey given final user license.”
Turkey has been carrying out projects with more than one country, and necessary measures were taken to protect this information, he noted.
Bayar stressed that Turkey had no concerns regarding the Chinese system being inter-operable with the Turkish air defense system, but also supported any joint operation with NATO.
The Turkish defense industry would produce its own “integration server” to connect the anti-missile system to its domestic air defense system, so that there would be no exchange of operational data with the Chinese company, he said.
“This is entirely compatible with NATO standards,” Bayar added.
Moreover, the “communication system” would also be domestically produced, Bayar said, referring to whether the system was needed for any joint Turkey-NATO operation abroad.
“There is no obligation to buy the system from NATO member countries,” Bayar stated.
He recalled that new NATO member eastern-bloc countries were still using earlier eastern-bloc defense systems.
The Chinese company placed the lowest bid of $3.44 billion for the tender, while other rival companies from Russia, the U.S. and Europe offered above $4 billion, the official said.
Bayar said the Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T system came second and Raytheon Co., a U.S. company that builds the Patriot missiles, was third. A Russian bid had been eliminated, Bayar said. If Turkey and the Chinese company could not finalize the missile deal then Ankara would start contract talks with the second firm in the shortlist, Eurosam, he added.
The Chinese company offered the most serious home production support, Bayar said, adding that Turkey would continue to expand its capacity of domestic defense production. Moreover the Chinese offer had the best schedule to activate the system, which would be finalized in four years after signing the deal, he said.
The deal includes the launch of 288 anti-missiles in four systems in the Turkish territory.
October/03/2013
Foreign Ministry: Turkey's priority is creating long-range missile in country
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3 October 2013
Priority for Turkey is to create long-range missiles on the territory of the country, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said, Anadolu agency reported on Thursday.
According to him, at present, the government has not yet decided on this issue.
Earlier it was reported that on September 2013 at a meeting of the Turkish Defense Industry Executive Committee it was announced that Chinese CPMIEC company won the tender for the creation of long-range missiles in Turkey.
It was also reported that long-range missiles will be created by the Chinese company in cooperation with Turkish companies.
The Chinese company's project, which envisages the creation of FD- 2000 missiles, technically leaves the Russian, American, and French and Italian companies' projects behind.
A meeting of the Executive Committee of the Turkish defense industry was chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan with the participation of head of the Turkish General Staff Necdet Ozel, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Deputy Minister of Defense Industry Murad Bayar.
In addition, it is reported that the U.S. authorities informed Turkey about their concerns about the country's intentions to cooperate with China in the creation of missile defense systems.
The Turkish defense industry has recently focused on developing and manufacturing its own products. Turkey managed to achieve a self-sufficiency level at 54 percent in the defense industry.
3 October 2013
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红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全部配件将在土耳其制造，中国转让全套技术。最后合同6个月内签署。
评比排名:
1. 红9
2. 紫苑
3. 爱国者2
4. 毛货.
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全部配件将在土耳其制造，中国转让全套技术。最后合同6个月内签署。
评比排名:
1. 红9
2. 紫苑
3. 爱国者2
4. 毛货.
全套技术转让？哈哈，好，这手漂亮。7成可能压根土耳其就不敢买，转让是个便宜话啊。而且更让土耳其纠结，美国要想发坏付出的代价更大啊。说回来，真敢买就真敢转给你！就要挤进你家院里！漂亮！这手绝对漂亮！谁说中国人没智慧的，哈哈~
不是说在老美插手下准备黄了嘛！！！！！
看吧!现在还没有最后签合同.
就看安卡拉扛不扛的住了
重复了，编辑掉。
重复了，编辑掉。
重复了，编辑掉。
重复了，编辑掉。
全部授权制造这个条件给的太优惠了
卖起东西感觉像断自己后路一样 难怪土鸡舍不得放弃
卖起东西感觉像断自己后路一样 难怪土鸡舍不得放弃
重复X3。。编辑掉。
重复X3。。编辑掉。
这个钱没有到手就不算数的
全部授权制造，但你Y造不造的出来，几时能造出来？了拿了这小钱钱，可以研发后续更好的产品了。
大家都是玩官话的高手诶
国防工业副总说非常可能怎么怎么，外交部长更厉害“要在自己国土上建立远程导弹系统”还不引用原话
国防工业说是反导系统，有意思
国防工业副总说非常可能怎么怎么，外交部长更厉害“要在自己国土上建立远程导弹系统”还不引用原话
国防工业说是反导系统，有意思
先吃点儿亏把名声打出去
不一样的爱国者 发表于 2013-10-5 16:52
先吃点儿亏把名声打出去
然后土耳其代替我们赚钱，就像1998年对土耳其转让了卫士-1，2007年土耳其的T-300出口到阿塞拜疆一样。
先吃点儿亏把名声打出去
然后土耳其代替我们赚钱，就像1998年对土耳其转让了卫士-1，2007年土耳其的T-300出口到阿塞拜疆一样。
dddd-dh 发表于 2013-10-5 15:42
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全 ...
我咋看着并不是转让全套技术，而且并不是所有导弹的生产都在土耳其境内，而相关设备也仅提到了数据链或者说通信设备是土方自己的。
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全 ...
我咋看着并不是转让全套技术，而且并不是所有导弹的生产都在土耳其境内，而相关设备也仅提到了数据链或者说通信设备是土方自己的。
本国制造 转让技术 十分有诚意
mark9966 发表于 2013-10-5 16:51
全部授权制造，但你Y造不造的出来，几时能造出来？了拿了这小钱钱，可以研发后续更好的产品了。
用这外贸的钱去指望研发下一代远程防空系统，先不说够不够，时间上讲黄花菜都凉了！
这笔单子仅是创收而已！ 关于全部授权表示怀疑，文中并没有详细说明除导弹（而且没有说全部的导弹都在土耳其境内生产）以外的配套设备生产情况（当然除了文中提到的通信系统，个人认为应该是数据链是土方自产的），而仅仅是讲在这几家兔子提供的技术合作和授权是最多的。
mark9966 发表于 2013-10-5 16:51
全部授权制造，但你Y造不造的出来，几时能造出来？了拿了这小钱钱，可以研发后续更好的产品了。
用这外贸的钱去指望研发下一代远程防空系统，先不说够不够，时间上讲黄花菜都凉了！
这笔单子仅是创收而已！ 关于全部授权表示怀疑，文中并没有详细说明除导弹（而且没有说全部的导弹都在土耳其境内生产）以外的配套设备生产情况（当然除了文中提到的通信系统，个人认为应该是数据链是土方自产的），而仅仅是讲在这几家兔子提供的技术合作和授权是最多的。
百臂巨人 发表于 2013-10-5 16:57
然后土耳其代替我们赚钱，就像1998年对土耳其转让了卫士-1，2007年土耳其的T-300出口到阿塞拜疆一样。
文章中我并没有发现转让全套技术的语句，包括导弹也一样，从描述感觉并不是所有的导弹（或者导弹零件）都在土耳其境内生产。
然后土耳其代替我们赚钱，就像1998年对土耳其转让了卫士-1，2007年土耳其的T-300出口到阿塞拜疆一样。
文章中我并没有发现转让全套技术的语句，包括导弹也一样，从描述感觉并不是所有的导弹（或者导弹零件）都在土耳其境内生产。
dddd-dh 发表于 2013-10-5 15:42
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全 ...
那是爱国者3
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全 ...
那是爱国者3
Bayar said the Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T system came second and Raytheon Co., a U.S. company that builds the Patriot missiles, was third. A Russian bid had been eliminated, Bayar said. If Turkey and the Chinese company could not finalize the missile deal then Ankara would start contract talks with the second firm in the shortlist, Eurosam, he added.
Bayar说，法意欧洲防空导弹公司的紫苑第二，美国雷神公司爱国者导弹第三。俄罗斯的投标已经被淘汰。Bayar说，如果土耳其和中国公司无法完成导弹协议那么安卡拉将开始与候选名单排名第二的欧洲防空导弹公司谈判
Bayar说，法意欧洲防空导弹公司的紫苑第二，美国雷神公司爱国者导弹第三。俄罗斯的投标已经被淘汰。Bayar说，如果土耳其和中国公司无法完成导弹协议那么安卡拉将开始与候选名单排名第二的欧洲防空导弹公司谈判
百臂巨人 发表于 2013-10-5 16:57
然后土耳其代替我们赚钱，就像1998年对土耳其转让了卫士-1，2007年土耳其的T-300出口到阿塞拜疆一样。
那是因为阿塞拜疆和土耳其都与亚美尼亚交恶，敌人的敌人就是朋友，阿塞拜疆自然要去讨好土耳其这个地区大国。而兔子八成是不会卖给阿塞拜疆的，至少现在的外交政策就不允许
然后土耳其代替我们赚钱，就像1998年对土耳其转让了卫士-1，2007年土耳其的T-300出口到阿塞拜疆一样。
那是因为阿塞拜疆和土耳其都与亚美尼亚交恶，敌人的敌人就是朋友，阿塞拜疆自然要去讨好土耳其这个地区大国。而兔子八成是不会卖给阿塞拜疆的，至少现在的外交政策就不允许
tourbillion 发表于 2013-10-5 17:27
那是因为阿塞拜疆和土耳其都与亚美尼亚交恶，敌人的敌人就是朋友，阿塞拜疆自然要去讨好土耳其这个地区大 ...
我怎么记得就卖了WS1给阿塞拜疆。。。
那是因为阿塞拜疆和土耳其都与亚美尼亚交恶，敌人的敌人就是朋友，阿塞拜疆自然要去讨好土耳其这个地区大 ...
我怎么记得就卖了WS1给阿塞拜疆。。。
34亿做一票值了 就算以后不卖了 这钱拿来研发下一代都行
小废 发表于 2013-10-5 17:31
我怎么记得就卖了WS1给阿塞拜疆。。。
那是土耳其山寨的好吧······
我怎么记得就卖了WS1给阿塞拜疆。。。
那是土耳其山寨的好吧······
tourbillion 发表于 2013-10-5 17:27
那是因为阿塞拜疆和土耳其都与亚美尼亚交恶，敌人的敌人就是朋友，阿塞拜疆自然要去讨好土耳其这个地区大 ...
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1699572-1-1.html啊 我记错了 是卖给了亚美尼亚！！！AR-1!!!我擦兔子好阴险，这是合作赚钱的节奏啊！！！
那是因为阿塞拜疆和土耳其都与亚美尼亚交恶，敌人的敌人就是朋友，阿塞拜疆自然要去讨好土耳其这个地区大 ...
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1699572-1-1.html啊 我记错了 是卖给了亚美尼亚！！！AR-1!!!我擦兔子好阴险，这是合作赚钱的节奏啊！！！
小废 发表于 2013-10-5 17:34
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1699572-1-1.html啊 我记错了 是卖给了亚美尼亚！！！AR-1!!!我擦兔子好阴险 ...
兔子这是嫌高加索不够乱么······
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1699572-1-1.html啊 我记错了 是卖给了亚美尼亚！！！AR-1!!!我擦兔子好阴险 ...
兔子这是嫌高加索不够乱么······美国施压土耳其能起多大作用是值得商讨的。很多人认为米国会给土耳其施加很大压力，我却感觉完全扯淡，土耳其的位置在北约里是无法取代的，盟国之间不但不能对盟友开枪，就算是经济制裁都不可能。美国拿什么对土耳其施压？如果北约盟国直接相互经济制裁那北约是不是有分裂的危险？所以说美国还能对土耳其怎么样？对待敌人可以军事打击、颜色革命、经济制裁、可对盟友这些招数能用么？除非你先把他踢出盟友的队伍。可是土耳其的位置是北约的前线，可能么？所以美国如果真不想土耳其买中国的导弹唯一的方法不是打压，而是给好处，而且是非常非常大的好处，大到足够让土耳其动心。施压P作用都起不了。
美国施压土耳其能起多大作用是值得商讨的。很多人认为米国会给土耳其施加很大压力，我却感觉完全扯淡，土耳其的位置在北约里是无法取代的，盟国之间不但不能对盟友开枪，就算是经济制裁都不可能。美国拿什么对土耳其施压？如果北约盟国直接相互经济制裁那北约是不是有分裂的危险？所以说美国还能对土耳其怎么样？对待敌人可以军事打击、颜色革命、经济制裁、可对盟友这些招数能用么？除非你先把他踢出盟友的队伍。可是土耳其的位置是北约的前线，可能么？所以美国如果真不想土耳其买中国的导弹唯一的方法不是打压，而是给好处，而且是非常非常大的好处，大到足够让土耳其动心。施压P作用都起不了。
tourbillion 发表于 2013-10-5 17:34
那是土耳其山寨的好吧······
是我记错了。。。兔子卖给火鸡，火鸡国产卖给敌人的敌人阿塞拜疆，兔子又卖给他俩的敌人亚美尼亚！
那是土耳其山寨的好吧······
是我记错了。。。兔子卖给火鸡，火鸡国产卖给敌人的敌人阿塞拜疆，兔子又卖给他俩的敌人亚美尼亚！
卖药把方都给卖了
毛子被取消资格，哈哈
不在价格和技术转让方面开出优厚条件，土鳖是竞争不过对手的，有时候并不是我们乐意这样，而是没有办法只能如此，所谓光脚不怕穿鞋的
乌拉001 发表于 2013-10-5 17:37
美国施压土耳其能起多大作用是值得商讨的。很多人认为米国会给土耳其施加很大压力，我却感觉完全扯淡，土耳 ...
……这个难度到是不大，比如在给土国现在装备的F16什么的升级电子设备时不留接口，让土国的电子对抗和识别系统里没有H9的信号源，北约数据链里也不综合进去这类的方法。
美国施压土耳其能起多大作用是值得商讨的。很多人认为米国会给土耳其施加很大压力，我却感觉完全扯淡，土耳 ...
……这个难度到是不大，比如在给土国现在装备的F16什么的升级电子设备时不留接口，让土国的电子对抗和识别系统里没有H9的信号源，北约数据链里也不综合进去这类的方法。
6个月内，好
lizyu 发表于 2013-10-5 17:47
……这个难度到是不大，比如在给土国现在装备的F16什么的升级电子设备时不留接口，让土国的电子对抗和识 ...
美国当然可以这么做，但你还指望他当你的前哨对抗谁吗？周围一堆麻烦美国以后解决都不用土耳其了？
……这个难度到是不大，比如在给土国现在装备的F16什么的升级电子设备时不留接口，让土国的电子对抗和识 ...
美国当然可以这么做，但你还指望他当你的前哨对抗谁吗？周围一堆麻烦美国以后解决都不用土耳其了？
小废 发表于 2013-10-5 17:39
是我记错了。。。兔子卖给火鸡，火鸡国产卖给敌人的敌人阿塞拜疆，兔子又卖给他俩的敌人亚美尼亚！
好阴险，好狡猾，好腹黑。
是我记错了。。。兔子卖给火鸡，火鸡国产卖给敌人的敌人阿塞拜疆，兔子又卖给他俩的敌人亚美尼亚！
好阴险，好狡猾，好腹黑。
dddd-dh 发表于 2013-10-5 15:42
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全 ...
可有打靶细节？测试了哪些项目？
红9中标的细节:
34.4亿美元包括4个营，每个营三个连，每连6辆发射车，每车4枚导弹，共计288枚导弹和全 ...
可有打靶细节？测试了哪些项目？
看这意思红九黄了也轮不上米蒂呀，才第三顺位······
肯定有附加条件的，不可能中国人辛苦弄来的东西说给就给。
在土鸡国组装是最可能的，零件状态必须在中国生产。
话说中国人做生意太另洋大爷们心寒的，要么不做，要做直接做烂。
在土鸡国组装是最可能的，零件状态必须在中国生产。
话说中国人做生意太另洋大爷们心寒的，要么不做，要做直接做烂。
好阴险，好狡猾，好腹黑。
战争之王里那个老军火商讲的就是这个道理。
战争之王里那个老军火商讲的就是这个道理。