美国flight global网站:中国空军还不是日本的对手

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实在不想翻了,大家随便看看吧,说预警能力不足,腿短,没经验,岛屿争夺战差什么的
IN FOCUS: Chinese air force not yet a match for Japan's
On 11 January, China's defence ministry confirmed that Chengdu J-10 fighters had been dispatched to keep an eye on two Boeing F-15 aircraft operated by Japan. According to its statement, the F-15s were trailing a Shaanxi Y-8 patrolling near a cluster of islands in the East China Sea that are contested by Beijing and Tokyo.

Irrespective of the merits of either party's claim to these islands, neither side appears willing to back down. Although the prospect of an all-out war over what Tokyo calls the Senkaku and Beijing the Diaoyu islands is remote, any conflict that may develop would involve air combat - possibly on a large scale. This would lead to Japan's historically strong air force being challenged by an ambitious newcomer.

In recent years China's air force has made significant strides. It now operates almost 500 advanced fighters, including about 200 single-engined J-10s and more than 270 Shenyang J-11s and Sukhoi Su-27s (above). It also operates several hundred more examples of older types, including nearly 400 J-7s: a license-built version of the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21. Unsourced media reports have speculated that some J-7s can be controlled remotely, effectively transforming them into cruise missiles.

While the Japan Air Self-Defence Force boasts fewer aircraft, it operates 153 F-15J fighters (below), 63 Mitsubishi F-2As, and over 80 McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantoms.

Despite China's apparent numerical equality, experts feel it is in no position to impose and maintain aerial superiority - let alone aerial supremacy - over the disputed area.

"In short, Japan has a significant edge," says Oriana Mastro, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank. "But the Chinese can create challenges for Japan to maintain aerial superiority."

One challenge facing Japan, she feels, is its ability to provide constant surveillance of the disputed islands. As Chinese naval and aircraft activities become more routine, it will become harder for Tokyo to determine Beijing's intentions.

Indeed, Tokyo has identified persistent surveillance as a priority area. "The current mid-term defence programme [from March 2011 to March 2015] takes drones into consideration as part of the study on warning and surveillance posture around our country," Japan's defence ministry said in an email to Flightglobal.

"We will further study the efficiency and operational role of drones, the comparison of the cost-effectiveness with existing equipment [and] offsettability, and take into account technological trends."

Although Tokyo declines to mention specific programmes, unsourced media reports have suggested that it is interested in the Northrop Grumman RQ-4N Broad Area Maritime Surveillance variant of the Global Hawk, being developed for the US Navy.

Another regional defence expert feels that Beijing would be at a significant disadvantage in any shooting war over the islands.

"They can fly a few J-10s out and perhaps fly alongside Japanese F-15s, but could they sustainably project power that far out from the mainland over an extended period?" he asks. "China only has limited experience using its [Xian] H-6 as tankers." Tokyo, by contrast, can call on a four-strong fleet of Boeing KC-767s.

Another area where Beijing is weak is in airborne early warning and control (AEW&C). Its new force of Y-8-based KJ-200 and adapted Ilyushin Il-76 KJ-2000 platforms are untested, while Japan has four recently upgraded E-767 AEW&C aircraft (below) and 13 Northrop E-2C Hawkeyes.

"In a conflict Japan would have far better situational awareness," the source says. "Also, Japanese pilots are able to operate autonomously of ground control, but Chinese fighters would likely operate under GCI [ground controlled interception]."

Mastro feels that the current tensions will not greatly change long-term procurement trends, with both China and Japan to continue to build their air power capabilities. The key is for the USA and its Pacific ally to make the right procurement choices now, she says, so as to offer a capable deterrent to China 20 years from now.

"The trajectory is what concerns the USA," Mastro says. "China can create challenges without catching up, and they don't need to catch up to achieve political victories. With air power tipping in China's favour, [Beijing] may be more inclined to use force."
http://www.flightglobal.com/news ... -for-japans-381453/实在不想翻了,大家随便看看吧,说预警能力不足,腿短,没经验,岛屿争夺战差什么的
IN FOCUS: Chinese air force not yet a match for Japan's
On 11 January, China's defence ministry confirmed that Chengdu J-10 fighters had been dispatched to keep an eye on two Boeing F-15 aircraft operated by Japan. According to its statement, the F-15s were trailing a Shaanxi Y-8 patrolling near a cluster of islands in the East China Sea that are contested by Beijing and Tokyo.

Irrespective of the merits of either party's claim to these islands, neither side appears willing to back down. Although the prospect of an all-out war over what Tokyo calls the Senkaku and Beijing the Diaoyu islands is remote, any conflict that may develop would involve air combat - possibly on a large scale. This would lead to Japan's historically strong air force being challenged by an ambitious newcomer.

In recent years China's air force has made significant strides. It now operates almost 500 advanced fighters, including about 200 single-engined J-10s and more than 270 Shenyang J-11s and Sukhoi Su-27s (above). It also operates several hundred more examples of older types, including nearly 400 J-7s: a license-built version of the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21. Unsourced media reports have speculated that some J-7s can be controlled remotely, effectively transforming them into cruise missiles.

While the Japan Air Self-Defence Force boasts fewer aircraft, it operates 153 F-15J fighters (below), 63 Mitsubishi F-2As, and over 80 McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantoms.

Despite China's apparent numerical equality, experts feel it is in no position to impose and maintain aerial superiority - let alone aerial supremacy - over the disputed area.

"In short, Japan has a significant edge," says Oriana Mastro, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank. "But the Chinese can create challenges for Japan to maintain aerial superiority."

One challenge facing Japan, she feels, is its ability to provide constant surveillance of the disputed islands. As Chinese naval and aircraft activities become more routine, it will become harder for Tokyo to determine Beijing's intentions.

Indeed, Tokyo has identified persistent surveillance as a priority area. "The current mid-term defence programme [from March 2011 to March 2015] takes drones into consideration as part of the study on warning and surveillance posture around our country," Japan's defence ministry said in an email to Flightglobal.

"We will further study the efficiency and operational role of drones, the comparison of the cost-effectiveness with existing equipment [and] offsettability, and take into account technological trends."

Although Tokyo declines to mention specific programmes, unsourced media reports have suggested that it is interested in the Northrop Grumman RQ-4N Broad Area Maritime Surveillance variant of the Global Hawk, being developed for the US Navy.

Another regional defence expert feels that Beijing would be at a significant disadvantage in any shooting war over the islands.

"They can fly a few J-10s out and perhaps fly alongside Japanese F-15s, but could they sustainably project power that far out from the mainland over an extended period?" he asks. "China only has limited experience using its [Xian] H-6 as tankers." Tokyo, by contrast, can call on a four-strong fleet of Boeing KC-767s.

Another area where Beijing is weak is in airborne early warning and control (AEW&C). Its new force of Y-8-based KJ-200 and adapted Ilyushin Il-76 KJ-2000 platforms are untested, while Japan has four recently upgraded E-767 AEW&C aircraft (below) and 13 Northrop E-2C Hawkeyes.

"In a conflict Japan would have far better situational awareness," the source says. "Also, Japanese pilots are able to operate autonomously of ground control, but Chinese fighters would likely operate under GCI [ground controlled interception]."

Mastro feels that the current tensions will not greatly change long-term procurement trends, with both China and Japan to continue to build their air power capabilities. The key is for the USA and its Pacific ally to make the right procurement choices now, she says, so as to offer a capable deterrent to China 20 years from now.

"The trajectory is what concerns the USA," Mastro says. "China can create challenges without catching up, and they don't need to catch up to achieve political victories. With air power tipping in China's favour, [Beijing] may be more inclined to use force."
http://www.flightglobal.com/news ... -for-japans-381453/
没关系,慢慢熬,总有一天熬出头。
空军主要工作是攻击而不是空战,空自有多少攻击能力?这文章作者是深海啊
观海童鞋辛苦了,我们空军不仅不是日本对手,越南,柬埔寨,缅甸也秒杀土鳖
说的对,任重道远,继续加强;
其实说得不对也要继续加强,毕竟还有美国这个超强在,仅仅胜过日本意义不大。

话说回来,日本人有喷气机的实战经验吗?
重点:文章认为中国预警机不行,战机主要依靠地面指挥。
rldcfxj 发表于 2013-1-27 19:25
说的对,任重道远,继续加强;
其实说得不对也要继续加强,毕竟还有美国这个超强在,仅仅胜过日本意义不大 ...
F15唯一一次确认的被另一架战斗机击落就是日本干的{:soso__11544133522238493466_1:}
Flightglobal其实现在也是越来越水了,居然找一些连最基本的双方军力对比都不清楚的专家来采访。
美国拼命给小日本打劲啊,,,连节操都不要了
这位专家对中国空军的战斗力很不屑一顾啊,小日本自己也感觉良好。 白兔空军是该岛钓鱼岛演演习 磨磨牙了 ,不能让人家给看扁了。
本子啊,赶紧买F35吧,有了F35更碉堡了,碉堡了,有木有,爹爹保证卖你最低价,只要150哦。
那是那是!!…日本多牛辦!!
温斯顿 发表于 2013-1-27 19:21
没关系,慢慢熬,总有一天熬出头。
有关系 这不是熬不熬的事情, 这根本就是胡扯。
不信让 日本空军来打一场就看出来了。 说海军单挑 还有可能。
新出来的预警机世界第一哦, 不是我说的哦, 是人家飞机设计人员说的。
rldcfxj 发表于 2013-1-27 19:25
说的对,任重道远,继续加强;
其实说得不对也要继续加强,毕竟还有美国这个超强在,仅仅胜过日本意义不大 ...
当然有 F15J用响尾蛇把自己僚机打下来了
切!这破杂志不过是在呼应美国政府的愿望。
本子有经验?二战后美国人和哪个对手真正意义上空战过?
新出来的预警机世界第一哦, 不是我说的哦, 是人家飞机设计人员说的。
问题是平台受限制。
飞行锅鸡又发神文啦,兔子只有十架城管的坑还没填呢。。。。。。
ifan 发表于 2013-1-28 05:09
问题是平台受限制。
y 20 已经飞了 平台还会远吗
这种文章要多写,看谁还说中国威胁论
MD训练过的都是未来战士,这种心理导致刷卡时为零敢于冒险,结果三拳两脚就敌不过铁血战士。所以那些吹嘘受过MD九阳神功训练的小国就不要拿这个来壮胆了。
兵家最忌讳轻敌,历史上这么干的国家和军队的结果都是死无全尸
非常同意,所以,我们要多造战斗机,多造导弹,赶快发展四代机,好“赶上”日本嘛,哦哈哈哈哈哈哈
longxia 发表于 2013-1-28 04:14
当然有 F15J用响尾蛇把自己僚机打下来了
僚机不是在后面吗?
經歷過南方系等帶路黨的洗禮,節操一說對英雄的中國人民沒球所謂!
战忽局功不可没,效果达到了。
或多或少是存在这些问题,没办法的事情,特别是经验,只能靠积累和实战检验……,至于和日本比如何,我不评论了……
军事是为政治服务的
军事家是为政治家服务的
干爹又在给脚盆打气了,前两天才说土共海军不行,今天又是空军不行,脚盆你说你还怕什么啊,快给干爹上啊。
干爹又在给脚盆打气了,前两天才说土共海军不行,今天又是空军不行,脚盆你说你还怕什么啊,快给干爹上啊。
难道丫敢说土憋陆军不行?
打不过就打不过吧!反正我们爱好核平
美国网民评论认为Y20试飞员会得到一袋大米作为奖励,不要以为全是调侃,这是美式洗脑的成绩
迷乱 发表于 2013-1-28 03:10
有关系 这不是熬不熬的事情, 这根本就是胡扯。
不信让 日本空军来打一场就看出来了。 说海军单挑 还有可 ...
海军单挑,日本更惨。
没有美国参与日本空军有什么信心必然战胜中国?
迷乱 发表于 2013-1-28 03:10
有关系 这不是熬不熬的事情, 这根本就是胡扯。
不信让 日本空军来打一场就看出来了。 说海军单挑 还有可 ...
海军单挑…… PLAN要笑醒了。 没有空军的保护日本海自在PLA海航的打击下就是靶子。
温斯顿 发表于 2013-1-27 19:21
没关系,慢慢熬,总有一天熬出头。
一步一个脚印,MD也睡不了几天安稳觉了
迷乱 发表于 2013-1-28 03:10
有关系 这不是熬不熬的事情, 这根本就是胡扯。
不信让 日本空军来打一场就看出来了。 说海军单挑 还有可 ...
你是想说水面舰艇单挑吧。
中国预警机世界第一哦
看来干爹暂时不能物质支持,只能精神上一下了