超级军网希腊财政部发声明向德索要二战赔款（转自龙腾网）
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希腊人怕是脑子烧坏了？？？
Greece’s Finance Ministry will calculate the country’s claim for World War II reparations against Germany, Deputy Finance Minister Christos Staikouras said.
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯表示，希腊财政部门将计算德国在二战中应该支付给希腊的战争赔款。
The General Accounting Office will make the calculation for the first time, Staikouras said today in response to a question from a lawmaker from the Independent Greeks party. The ministry has begun collecting archival material to be examined by a group of experts, he said.
总审计署表示将会在第一时间尽快计算出来，克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉表示今天在已经就该问题回答了立法委员。该部长还表示真回复部门已经由一些专家开始重新收集资料检查德国应付给希腊的赔款。
“The German reparations are a particularly complex legal issue and subject to study and settlement at an international level in accordance with the rules of international law,” Staikouras said. “The case is still outstanding, and as a country we reserve the right and the possibility to manage it to a satisfactory conclusion.”
克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯说：“德国的赔款是个特别复杂的法律问题，并且应该以研究为基础，来按照国家法律规定的国际水平解决这一问题”同时，他还说：“这个赔款问题仍是未完全解决的，同时作为一个国家，我们保留权利及一切可能性来圆满解决该问题”
Some Greek politicians have evoked memories of the country’s Nazi occupation during World War II since the start of the country’s debt crisis. During the country’s election campaigns in May and June Independent Greeks demanded Germany pay reparations.
一些希腊的政客们抱怨是由于在二战时期被纳粹占领所导致了现在该国的债务危机。在这个国家5月和6月举行选举的期间，独立的希腊人民要求德国支付战争赔款。
Greece has in the past decade had to juggle claims on war reparations from Germany with close bilateral relations between the countries. The claims include compensation for loans the country was forced to make to Germany during the Nazi occupation.
在过去的十年里，希腊在与德国保持密切双边关系的基础上，致力于向德国取得战争索赔。索赔项目包括其在被纳粹党占领之间向德国缴纳的国家贷款补偿金。
Germany’s Constitutional Court ruled in March 2006 it didn’t have to pay compensation to individuals seeking damages over war crimes committed during World War II. Germany paid 115 million deutsche marks ($74 million) to Greek victims of Nazi crimes under a 1960 treaty, in addition to funds paid out to victims of forced labor under the Third Reich, German Foreign Ministry spokesman Andreas Peschke told reporters in 2010.
德国外交部发言人安德里亚斯.佩斯克斯在2010年告诉记者，希腊提出的是伪证。他称，在2006年3月，德国宪法法院称，根据德国在二战中所犯下的罪行，现在德国已经没根据个人寻求来进行赔偿了。在与希腊的1960年签订的条约表明，德国根据纳粹罪行已经向希腊支付了1.15亿德国马克的赔偿金，另外也向强迫在第三国家的劳动者进行了资金赔偿。
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据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。
据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。此前，希腊政治家马诺利斯·格列索斯经计算后扬言，德国亏欠希腊1620亿欧元（约合人民币13117亿元）战争赔款，如果加上每年3%的利息，德国欠希腊上万亿欧元，远高于欧盟所提供的全部救助贷款金额。
报道称，希腊财政部在一份声明中称，由4人组成的“工作组”预计将在今年年底前提交报告。希腊政府表示，德国已经向希腊支付过一部分战争赔款，但是因为上世纪50年代谈判期间，希腊被迫接受不利于本国的条款，所以希腊仍保留索赔权利。
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯也称赔偿问题悬而未决，他呼吁采取一个“现实和冷静的”办法来处理这一棘手问题。
德国尚未对希腊的最新举措表态。此前，德国外交部长基多·韦斯特维勒发表声明说，德国承认对二战负有责任，但已经支付了所有亏欠希腊的赔偿。
目前，希腊经济仍处于严重的困境之中，曾多次接受欧盟救助贷款，其中德国是最大的捐助者。但是，很多希腊人指责德国强迫希腊施行严厉的紧缩政策，还有人抱怨纳粹德国当年对希腊的入侵导致现今希腊经济不景气。对此，一些分析人士指出，希腊人应该改变他们的生活方式，不能永远责备那场已结束67年的战争。
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09-05-2012 06:43 PM #2 Ragnus
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Goddamn. Scumbag Greece up in here.
该死的。卑鄙的希腊精通此道。
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09-05-2012 06:54 PM #3 Azull
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Guess Greece has never heard the phrase "Dont bite the hand that feeds you"
我猜，希腊人从未听过这句话：“别恩将仇报”
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09-05-2012 06:56 PM #4 Hirokei Kiaza
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Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.
用更加自负的态度给犹太人打工，为什么自己不去试一试呢
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09-05-2012 07:00 PM #5 Churchill
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Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza
“Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.”
This and, if anything, Germany is the only reason we don't think of Greece as we do the majority of India.
I love when rivers are just full of human waste, aw yea.
回LS,
这，如果有什么区别的话，德国是唯一的原因，我们不用考虑希腊，如同我们为了大多数印度人。
我爱河流里飘满了人类的废弃物。噢，是的！
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Oh man, merkel is dead if she puts up another cent in taxpayer money for greek bailouts lol. Next week on "As the EU turns"...
哦，朋友，如果默克尔提出另一个用纳税人的钱来给希腊救助的话，那么她死定了。下周朝着“正如欧盟XX转变”
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And just today I was thinking "i haven't heard anything about the eurozone in quite some time, I wonder how that's going?"
标题：希腊重新计算并向德国要求索赔战争赔款
就在今天，我刚刚在想：“在相当长的一段时间里，我都没有听到任何关于欧元区的消息了，我想知道那里进展的怎么样了”
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Did Greece just Godwin their economy?
希腊只能让戈德温来搞他们的经济了吗？
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Hey Germany, I know you basically keep our ass afloat, but about that shit you owe us because of the Nazis. Classy Greece, very classy.
嘿，德国。我知道基本上你要为我们一屁股的升级（龙腾网注：此处或许存疑），但是因为纳粹你的确欠我们的这该死的狗屎般的债务。上等的希腊，是非常优雅的。
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If they really wanted to give Germany the finger, they'd leave the EU. Or if Germany didn't want to antagonize Greece, well maybe they shouldn't have attached austerity to the bailout loans.
如果他们真的想要对德国竖中指，他们将会远离欧盟。或者，如果德国不想去得罪希腊，好的，也许他们本不应该去附加上紧缩的救助贷款。
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In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.
事实上，整个欧盟救助计划就是一个政治噱头。
德国政府想要机智的保存欧盟，由于他们只从经济上是受益的，同样，不超过欧盟的其他国家，但是默克尔还有她的朋友们知道在政治上最不受欢迎的救星就是德国人，所以他们想让他们看起来像是并非是发放免费的钱给那些肮脏的、懒惰的南欧人。所以，他们将收回并且附加紧缩条件的紧急救助，所以默克尔可以指着希腊并且说道：“看？看！我们给的钱不是免费的。它带来的后果就是毁掉他们的社会”
不知何故，伴随着希腊大量的树叶、自杀事件、以及爆发的犯罪，我们将对希腊人是如此忘恩负义表示愤怒。我把希腊的现状归咎于他们的大肆挥霍吗？我知道德国政府不可以疯掉，因为他们正在得到他们想要的东西，这不过是政治上的私利。
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I do think the entire Euro economic situation is a clusterfuck, but I am extremely amused at all the Greek hate about not paying debts when Germany did it first. Payback is a bitch 65+ years after the fact I guess?
我认为整个欧元区现状就是胡闹，但是我极其地被希腊人反感的德国人第一个去偿还债务给逗乐了！偿还的是6个妓女+我猜这些年加一起的？
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This is fucking jokes lol. Gives a whole new meaning to "we reserve the right to retaliate at a later date" xD
这他妈的就是个笑话！哈！给他一个全新的定义就是：“我们保留在过期的时间去进行报复的权利”拦路的强盗。
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Originally Posted by Kuya
“In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.”
The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.
回10L，
希腊人在这个争议里到处都是漏洞。多年的逃税已经变成了民族特色以及没有依照法律来打击这种行为导致了国家无法支撑财政的这样一个局面。那是欺骗用大便来换取收入。
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40 acres and a bratwurst
40英亩的德国小腊肠
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Originally Posted by ronin sparthos
“The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.”
Not so much a sport as an obligation. Greeks view "starving the beast" as a duty because their government is so corrupt and untrustworthy. Pretty scary preview of where the US is probably headed...
回13L，
与其说是一种运动，不如说是一种义务。希腊人的观点是作为责任即“饥饿的野兽”，因为他们的政府是如此的腐败和不靠谱的。那儿即使是美国领导，也会是很吓人的预览。
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (Germany ), 6 days 16 hours ago
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Stop wasting your time (and everybody else's) on WWII reparations. You ain't getting them. How about your start introducing plans on how to save the Greek nation from falling off the cliff? Talking about reparations is just trying to shift the focus and the blame away from government incompetence through the years.
别再把你们的时间（也包括其他人的）浪费在二战赔款上了！你们无法从他们那里得到（赔款）。你们认为说是开始引进计划来拯救跌落悬崖的希腊如何？讨论赔款只是在试图转换焦点并且让政府逃避这么多年来的无能的责任。
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September 5, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 6 days 13 hours ago
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@jim Adams:
You're partly right Jim... However, if Greece exercises its right to the war reparations at the world Court in the Hague, that would oblige Germany to pay for everything that was stolen..Germany has paid reparations to every country involved except for Greece...
Germany wants to Greece to pay back loans at loan shark rates but are playing dumb to what they owe Greece...Hypocrisy at its best....
回LS，
你只说对了一部分。吉姆。。。。然而，希腊 如果在世界海牙发帖来行使要求对战争赔款的权力，这将迫使德国已经支付的一切（赔款）都被无视了。。。德国已经向每个国家都支付了赔款，也涉及到摒除在外的希腊。
德国希望希腊去偿还这高额的贷款利率，仅仅是对于他们欠希腊人的部分进行装聋作哑。。。德国最擅长的就是伪善
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 6 days 9 hours ago
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@gohdenny22:
I am not questioning whether Greece is entitled to reparations. I am simply stating that Greece has zero chance of getting anything. Political leaders are responsible for weighing circumstances and pursuing attainable targets. Not taking the nation on a wild goose chase. This is how the rest of the world sees it:
Does Germany Owe Greece $95 Billion from WW II?
回LS，
我并不质疑希腊是否有资格要求赔款。我只是单单想说希腊已经没有机会要求任何东西了。政治领导人有责任去权衡环境还有追求可实现的目标。别让国家去做徒劳的追求。这是关系到世界其他国家如何来看待他（希腊）
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September 6, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 5 days 13 hours ago
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@Jim Adams:
You're right.. There is no question that our politicians, primarily 2 families have been bought to maintain the status quo...We need politicians to step up and fight for this country, otherwise we can pretty much take Hellas out of all maps...
回LS，
你是对的。。毫无疑问，我们的政客们，主要是两大势力已经被收买了来维持现状。。。我么需要政客们去加大并且为这个国家去奋斗，否则，我们几乎会让希腊文从地图上消失了。。
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September 6, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 5 days 18 hours ago
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Greece is Entitled to pursue this matter of War reparation payments for the destruction of villages,infrastucture, the murder of over 1 million Greek civilians and the looting of its assets. The Germans scums have a short memory, after WW2 the world abolished the debts of the German Govt. I would perhaps agree with you that Greece doesnt stand a chance, but maybe if Greece pulls out of EU and NATO and gives the Green light to the Russians to establish military bases including nuclear missles in Greece, then its a different ball game.
Greece needs a govt with balls to stand up to the EU scums. A leader like Georgios Papadopoulos is needed.
希腊有权去要求战争赔款来支付毁灭的村庄和基础设施，已经超过100万希腊人的屠杀还有被抢劫的财产。德国的垃圾们记忆力不好，二战以后废除了德国政府的债务。我假定支持你希腊，可他是没有机会的。但是，也许如果德国退出了欧盟和北约，同时给俄罗斯人开了绿灯去在希腊建立军事基地包括核导弹。那么它将是不同的局面。
希腊需要一个政府去勇敢的反对欧盟的浮渣。他们需要一个像乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯一样的领导人。
PS：（乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯（希腊语：Γεώργιος Παπαδόπουλος，1919年5月5日－1999年6月27日），希腊军人，1967年4月21日发动军事政变获得政权，并一直担任军政府领导人至1974年。）
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September 6, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 5 days 15 hours ago
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@manos2:
Out of EU, NATO... Jump in bed with the Russians... Nuclear missiles in Greece, and Papadopoulos is needed? What are you on? Are you smoking your vegemite lately?
PS. What's with the 'sexual invitation'? Are you so frustrated sexually that you cannot participate in any type of conversation with others?
回LS，
退出欧盟、北约，跑去跟俄罗斯搞在一起。。。在希腊搞核导弹，还有乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯都是必要的吗？你要干嘛？最近你咸味酱吃多了吗？
PS：“性邀请”什么意思？你是如此的沮丧以致于都无法与任何类型的人沟通了吗？
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 19 hours ago
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Jim Adams - What malakies are you talking about.
We dont smoke vegemite unlike you yanks that snort bathroom salts. How ever with the ciggarette prices in Australia @ $20 a pack probably smoking vegemite might be an alternate.
As sexual invititions what the f@ck your on about.
As your president Obama allowing Gays to join the US Army, you will probably make a good candidate.
Know getting to the point, Greece should take a Hardline against the EU and escpecially Germany. Germany is not the only economic power, so is CHINA.Greece should approach China for loans and other investments. We in Australia, unlike in the US, Australia has benefited from China investments and we have a high living standards compared to the US. But we too a have a stupid Govt in Australia.
回LS，
你讨论的是哪种问题？
我们不抽烟不像你们美国佬喜欢吸食浴盐毒品。怎么烟在澳大利亚的价格是20美刀，而维吉麦（在澳洲流行的一种酱）可能只是候补。
性邀请关你毛事？
作为你们的总统奥巴马允许基佬参加美国陆军，你也许是个好人选。
言归正传，希腊应该采取一种强硬的措施来反对欧盟特别是德国。德国不是唯一的经济力量，这样的话你们还可以找中国。希腊应该采取措施向中国靠拢来获取贷款及其他投资。我们在澳大利亚，不像在美国。澳大利亚在与中国的投资中受益很多，并且我们的生活水平与美国相当。但是我们澳大利亚也有一个愚蠢的政府。
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September 7, 2012 by John Gurlides (United Kingdom ), 4 days 16 hours ago
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The Americans are to blame for Germany coming out of WW II better off economically-speaking than they did in WW I. They thought the WW I payments were excessive and possibly a cause for WW II, and would not have the same situation again.
Greece ended up paying for it as she was - once again - taken for granted.
We are historically entitled to repayment of the loan and reparations but, without a doubt, we will not get it any more than Hungary will be rewarded the 1954 World Cup.
All that aside, can we PLEASE stop arguing amongst ourselves? The culprits are in Washington!
美国人把二战归咎于德国，德国已经从二战中走出来并且经济比在一战时候好。他们认为一战支付是过多的，很有可能导致了二战的爆发，同样的事情不会在发生了。希腊要求的支付已经结束了——再一次——就会被视作为理所应当的。
从历史上讲，我们有权偿还贷款并且支付赔款，但是，毫无疑问，我们再不会得到超过匈牙利在1954年世界杯得到的。
把一切都放在一边，我们能停止去我们之间的互相争吵吗？真正的犯人在华盛顿。
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 4 hours ago
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Well said John - I agree. The culprits are also CORRUPT Greek Politicians over the decades as well!
说的好LS！
我同意你的观点！
罪魁祸首也同样是在过去几十年里腐败的希腊政界。
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September 11, 2012 by Zak the Greek (United Arab Emirates ), 14 hours 38 min ago
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If Jim is American than I am German , being born and raised in Germany I can tell you blindly the way he writes he is German and by using an American name I can see that he hasnt got the balls to stay for what he is . He we have two crucial Point !!
1. Greek system is a farse and Politicians represent their interests not the ones of their Citizen.
Yes, fully agree , we will resolve this issue . But as european brothers we should help each other and show understanding for what is going on but I can see the Dream of a United EU is and will be a Dream ! Everybody things about their Pockets their is not the " WE " things existing .
2. Greece has the right to these Funds . Mister Bratwurst Adams , why shall the poor Greeks that got slaughter by ruthless Nazi germans not receive Funds !! Are they the greek politicians that were wrong doing ? Germany has to pay and will pay BE SURE !! It was only a matter of time until they said " NOW " .Stop buying German Products , cars , LIDL , ALDI etc
回6L，
如果吉姆是美国人，那么我是德国人。出生并且在德国长大。我可以告诉你轻率的写出自己是德国人（在1L的IP显示是在德国），并且用了美国人的名字。我所能看到的是他持续的在为他是做什么的而逗留。关于他，我们有两个关键！！
1、希腊的系统是个错误，并且政客们代表的是他们自己的利益而非他们的公民。
是的，完全正确，我们会解决这个问题。但是作为一个欧洲兄弟，我么应该互相帮助并且彰显出对彼此的理解是怎么回事。但是我可以看到的是，欧洲统一的梦想永远只是一个梦！事关每个人的口袋，是不存在“我们”这回事的。
2、希腊有权去要求这些资金。来自德国的腊肠先生，为什么穷困潦倒的希腊人得到了纳粹的屠杀却不能获得赔款！！希腊的政客们做错了吗？德国不得不支付，而且是一定要去支付！！直到他们说“现在”为止，这都只是时间问题。停止购买德国货，拒绝德国汽车、德国利德尔（零售企业）、还有阿尔迪（德国最大的连锁超市）等等。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/5699.html 希腊人怕是脑子烧坏了？？？
Greece’s Finance Ministry will calculate the country’s claim for World War II reparations against Germany, Deputy Finance Minister Christos Staikouras said.
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯表示，希腊财政部门将计算德国在二战中应该支付给希腊的战争赔款。
The General Accounting Office will make the calculation for the first time, Staikouras said today in response to a question from a lawmaker from the Independent Greeks party. The ministry has begun collecting archival material to be examined by a group of experts, he said.
总审计署表示将会在第一时间尽快计算出来，克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉表示今天在已经就该问题回答了立法委员。该部长还表示真回复部门已经由一些专家开始重新收集资料检查德国应付给希腊的赔款。
“The German reparations are a particularly complex legal issue and subject to study and settlement at an international level in accordance with the rules of international law,” Staikouras said. “The case is still outstanding, and as a country we reserve the right and the possibility to manage it to a satisfactory conclusion.”
克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯说：“德国的赔款是个特别复杂的法律问题，并且应该以研究为基础，来按照国家法律规定的国际水平解决这一问题”同时，他还说：“这个赔款问题仍是未完全解决的，同时作为一个国家，我们保留权利及一切可能性来圆满解决该问题”
Some Greek politicians have evoked memories of the country’s Nazi occupation during World War II since the start of the country’s debt crisis. During the country’s election campaigns in May and June Independent Greeks demanded Germany pay reparations.
一些希腊的政客们抱怨是由于在二战时期被纳粹占领所导致了现在该国的债务危机。在这个国家5月和6月举行选举的期间，独立的希腊人民要求德国支付战争赔款。
Greece has in the past decade had to juggle claims on war reparations from Germany with close bilateral relations between the countries. The claims include compensation for loans the country was forced to make to Germany during the Nazi occupation.
在过去的十年里，希腊在与德国保持密切双边关系的基础上，致力于向德国取得战争索赔。索赔项目包括其在被纳粹党占领之间向德国缴纳的国家贷款补偿金。
Germany’s Constitutional Court ruled in March 2006 it didn’t have to pay compensation to individuals seeking damages over war crimes committed during World War II. Germany paid 115 million deutsche marks ($74 million) to Greek victims of Nazi crimes under a 1960 treaty, in addition to funds paid out to victims of forced labor under the Third Reich, German Foreign Ministry spokesman Andreas Peschke told reporters in 2010.
德国外交部发言人安德里亚斯.佩斯克斯在2010年告诉记者，希腊提出的是伪证。他称，在2006年3月，德国宪法法院称，根据德国在二战中所犯下的罪行，现在德国已经没根据个人寻求来进行赔偿了。在与希腊的1960年签订的条约表明，德国根据纳粹罪行已经向希腊支付了1.15亿德国马克的赔偿金，另外也向强迫在第三国家的劳动者进行了资金赔偿。
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据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。
据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。此前，希腊政治家马诺利斯·格列索斯经计算后扬言，德国亏欠希腊1620亿欧元（约合人民币13117亿元）战争赔款，如果加上每年3%的利息，德国欠希腊上万亿欧元，远高于欧盟所提供的全部救助贷款金额。
报道称，希腊财政部在一份声明中称，由4人组成的“工作组”预计将在今年年底前提交报告。希腊政府表示，德国已经向希腊支付过一部分战争赔款，但是因为上世纪50年代谈判期间，希腊被迫接受不利于本国的条款，所以希腊仍保留索赔权利。
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯也称赔偿问题悬而未决，他呼吁采取一个“现实和冷静的”办法来处理这一棘手问题。
德国尚未对希腊的最新举措表态。此前，德国外交部长基多·韦斯特维勒发表声明说，德国承认对二战负有责任，但已经支付了所有亏欠希腊的赔偿。
目前，希腊经济仍处于严重的困境之中，曾多次接受欧盟救助贷款，其中德国是最大的捐助者。但是，很多希腊人指责德国强迫希腊施行严厉的紧缩政策，还有人抱怨纳粹德国当年对希腊的入侵导致现今希腊经济不景气。对此，一些分析人士指出，希腊人应该改变他们的生活方式，不能永远责备那场已结束67年的战争。
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09-05-2012 06:43 PM #2 Ragnus
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Goddamn. Scumbag Greece up in here.
该死的。卑鄙的希腊精通此道。
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09-05-2012 06:54 PM #3 Azull
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Guess Greece has never heard the phrase "Dont bite the hand that feeds you"
我猜，希腊人从未听过这句话：“别恩将仇报”
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09-05-2012 06:56 PM #4 Hirokei Kiaza
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Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.
用更加自负的态度给犹太人打工，为什么自己不去试一试呢
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09-05-2012 07:00 PM #5 Churchill
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Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza
“Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.”
This and, if anything, Germany is the only reason we don't think of Greece as we do the majority of India.
I love when rivers are just full of human waste, aw yea.
回LS,
这，如果有什么区别的话，德国是唯一的原因，我们不用考虑希腊，如同我们为了大多数印度人。
我爱河流里飘满了人类的废弃物。噢，是的！
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Oh man, merkel is dead if she puts up another cent in taxpayer money for greek bailouts lol. Next week on "As the EU turns"...
哦，朋友，如果默克尔提出另一个用纳税人的钱来给希腊救助的话，那么她死定了。下周朝着“正如欧盟XX转变”
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And just today I was thinking "i haven't heard anything about the eurozone in quite some time, I wonder how that's going?"
标题：希腊重新计算并向德国要求索赔战争赔款
就在今天，我刚刚在想：“在相当长的一段时间里，我都没有听到任何关于欧元区的消息了，我想知道那里进展的怎么样了”
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Did Greece just Godwin their economy?
希腊只能让戈德温来搞他们的经济了吗？
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Hey Germany, I know you basically keep our ass afloat, but about that shit you owe us because of the Nazis. Classy Greece, very classy.
嘿，德国。我知道基本上你要为我们一屁股的升级（龙腾网注：此处或许存疑），但是因为纳粹你的确欠我们的这该死的狗屎般的债务。上等的希腊，是非常优雅的。
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If they really wanted to give Germany the finger, they'd leave the EU. Or if Germany didn't want to antagonize Greece, well maybe they shouldn't have attached austerity to the bailout loans.
如果他们真的想要对德国竖中指，他们将会远离欧盟。或者，如果德国不想去得罪希腊，好的，也许他们本不应该去附加上紧缩的救助贷款。
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In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.
事实上，整个欧盟救助计划就是一个政治噱头。
德国政府想要机智的保存欧盟，由于他们只从经济上是受益的，同样，不超过欧盟的其他国家，但是默克尔还有她的朋友们知道在政治上最不受欢迎的救星就是德国人，所以他们想让他们看起来像是并非是发放免费的钱给那些肮脏的、懒惰的南欧人。所以，他们将收回并且附加紧缩条件的紧急救助，所以默克尔可以指着希腊并且说道：“看？看！我们给的钱不是免费的。它带来的后果就是毁掉他们的社会”
不知何故，伴随着希腊大量的树叶、自杀事件、以及爆发的犯罪，我们将对希腊人是如此忘恩负义表示愤怒。我把希腊的现状归咎于他们的大肆挥霍吗？我知道德国政府不可以疯掉，因为他们正在得到他们想要的东西，这不过是政治上的私利。
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I do think the entire Euro economic situation is a clusterfuck, but I am extremely amused at all the Greek hate about not paying debts when Germany did it first. Payback is a bitch 65+ years after the fact I guess?
我认为整个欧元区现状就是胡闹，但是我极其地被希腊人反感的德国人第一个去偿还债务给逗乐了！偿还的是6个妓女+我猜这些年加一起的？
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This is fucking jokes lol. Gives a whole new meaning to "we reserve the right to retaliate at a later date" xD
这他妈的就是个笑话！哈！给他一个全新的定义就是：“我们保留在过期的时间去进行报复的权利”拦路的强盗。
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Originally Posted by Kuya
“In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.”
The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.
回10L，
希腊人在这个争议里到处都是漏洞。多年的逃税已经变成了民族特色以及没有依照法律来打击这种行为导致了国家无法支撑财政的这样一个局面。那是欺骗用大便来换取收入。
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40 acres and a bratwurst
40英亩的德国小腊肠
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Originally Posted by ronin sparthos
“The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.”
Not so much a sport as an obligation. Greeks view "starving the beast" as a duty because their government is so corrupt and untrustworthy. Pretty scary preview of where the US is probably headed...
回13L，
与其说是一种运动，不如说是一种义务。希腊人的观点是作为责任即“饥饿的野兽”，因为他们的政府是如此的腐败和不靠谱的。那儿即使是美国领导，也会是很吓人的预览。
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (Germany ), 6 days 16 hours ago
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Stop wasting your time (and everybody else's) on WWII reparations. You ain't getting them. How about your start introducing plans on how to save the Greek nation from falling off the cliff? Talking about reparations is just trying to shift the focus and the blame away from government incompetence through the years.
别再把你们的时间（也包括其他人的）浪费在二战赔款上了！你们无法从他们那里得到（赔款）。你们认为说是开始引进计划来拯救跌落悬崖的希腊如何？讨论赔款只是在试图转换焦点并且让政府逃避这么多年来的无能的责任。
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September 5, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 6 days 13 hours ago
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@jim Adams:
You're partly right Jim... However, if Greece exercises its right to the war reparations at the world Court in the Hague, that would oblige Germany to pay for everything that was stolen..Germany has paid reparations to every country involved except for Greece...
Germany wants to Greece to pay back loans at loan shark rates but are playing dumb to what they owe Greece...Hypocrisy at its best....
回LS，
你只说对了一部分。吉姆。。。。然而，希腊 如果在世界海牙发帖来行使要求对战争赔款的权力，这将迫使德国已经支付的一切（赔款）都被无视了。。。德国已经向每个国家都支付了赔款，也涉及到摒除在外的希腊。
德国希望希腊去偿还这高额的贷款利率，仅仅是对于他们欠希腊人的部分进行装聋作哑。。。德国最擅长的就是伪善
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 6 days 9 hours ago
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@gohdenny22:
I am not questioning whether Greece is entitled to reparations. I am simply stating that Greece has zero chance of getting anything. Political leaders are responsible for weighing circumstances and pursuing attainable targets. Not taking the nation on a wild goose chase. This is how the rest of the world sees it:
Does Germany Owe Greece $95 Billion from WW II?
回LS，
我并不质疑希腊是否有资格要求赔款。我只是单单想说希腊已经没有机会要求任何东西了。政治领导人有责任去权衡环境还有追求可实现的目标。别让国家去做徒劳的追求。这是关系到世界其他国家如何来看待他（希腊）
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September 6, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 5 days 13 hours ago
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@Jim Adams:
You're right.. There is no question that our politicians, primarily 2 families have been bought to maintain the status quo...We need politicians to step up and fight for this country, otherwise we can pretty much take Hellas out of all maps...
回LS，
你是对的。。毫无疑问，我们的政客们，主要是两大势力已经被收买了来维持现状。。。我么需要政客们去加大并且为这个国家去奋斗，否则，我们几乎会让希腊文从地图上消失了。。
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September 6, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 5 days 18 hours ago
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Greece is Entitled to pursue this matter of War reparation payments for the destruction of villages,infrastucture, the murder of over 1 million Greek civilians and the looting of its assets. The Germans scums have a short memory, after WW2 the world abolished the debts of the German Govt. I would perhaps agree with you that Greece doesnt stand a chance, but maybe if Greece pulls out of EU and NATO and gives the Green light to the Russians to establish military bases including nuclear missles in Greece, then its a different ball game.
Greece needs a govt with balls to stand up to the EU scums. A leader like Georgios Papadopoulos is needed.
希腊有权去要求战争赔款来支付毁灭的村庄和基础设施，已经超过100万希腊人的屠杀还有被抢劫的财产。德国的垃圾们记忆力不好，二战以后废除了德国政府的债务。我假定支持你希腊，可他是没有机会的。但是，也许如果德国退出了欧盟和北约，同时给俄罗斯人开了绿灯去在希腊建立军事基地包括核导弹。那么它将是不同的局面。
希腊需要一个政府去勇敢的反对欧盟的浮渣。他们需要一个像乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯一样的领导人。
PS：（乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯（希腊语：Γεώργιος Παπαδόπουλος，1919年5月5日－1999年6月27日），希腊军人，1967年4月21日发动军事政变获得政权，并一直担任军政府领导人至1974年。）
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September 6, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 5 days 15 hours ago
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@manos2:
Out of EU, NATO... Jump in bed with the Russians... Nuclear missiles in Greece, and Papadopoulos is needed? What are you on? Are you smoking your vegemite lately?
PS. What's with the 'sexual invitation'? Are you so frustrated sexually that you cannot participate in any type of conversation with others?
回LS，
退出欧盟、北约，跑去跟俄罗斯搞在一起。。。在希腊搞核导弹，还有乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯都是必要的吗？你要干嘛？最近你咸味酱吃多了吗？
PS：“性邀请”什么意思？你是如此的沮丧以致于都无法与任何类型的人沟通了吗？
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 19 hours ago
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Jim Adams - What malakies are you talking about.
We dont smoke vegemite unlike you yanks that snort bathroom salts. How ever with the ciggarette prices in Australia @ $20 a pack probably smoking vegemite might be an alternate.
As sexual invititions what the f@ck your on about.
As your president Obama allowing Gays to join the US Army, you will probably make a good candidate.
Know getting to the point, Greece should take a Hardline against the EU and escpecially Germany. Germany is not the only economic power, so is CHINA.Greece should approach China for loans and other investments. We in Australia, unlike in the US, Australia has benefited from China investments and we have a high living standards compared to the US. But we too a have a stupid Govt in Australia.
回LS，
你讨论的是哪种问题？
我们不抽烟不像你们美国佬喜欢吸食浴盐毒品。怎么烟在澳大利亚的价格是20美刀，而维吉麦（在澳洲流行的一种酱）可能只是候补。
性邀请关你毛事？
作为你们的总统奥巴马允许基佬参加美国陆军，你也许是个好人选。
言归正传，希腊应该采取一种强硬的措施来反对欧盟特别是德国。德国不是唯一的经济力量，这样的话你们还可以找中国。希腊应该采取措施向中国靠拢来获取贷款及其他投资。我们在澳大利亚，不像在美国。澳大利亚在与中国的投资中受益很多，并且我们的生活水平与美国相当。但是我们澳大利亚也有一个愚蠢的政府。
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September 7, 2012 by John Gurlides (United Kingdom ), 4 days 16 hours ago
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The Americans are to blame for Germany coming out of WW II better off economically-speaking than they did in WW I. They thought the WW I payments were excessive and possibly a cause for WW II, and would not have the same situation again.
Greece ended up paying for it as she was - once again - taken for granted.
We are historically entitled to repayment of the loan and reparations but, without a doubt, we will not get it any more than Hungary will be rewarded the 1954 World Cup.
All that aside, can we PLEASE stop arguing amongst ourselves? The culprits are in Washington!
美国人把二战归咎于德国，德国已经从二战中走出来并且经济比在一战时候好。他们认为一战支付是过多的，很有可能导致了二战的爆发，同样的事情不会在发生了。希腊要求的支付已经结束了——再一次——就会被视作为理所应当的。
从历史上讲，我们有权偿还贷款并且支付赔款，但是，毫无疑问，我们再不会得到超过匈牙利在1954年世界杯得到的。
把一切都放在一边，我们能停止去我们之间的互相争吵吗？真正的犯人在华盛顿。
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 4 hours ago
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Well said John - I agree. The culprits are also CORRUPT Greek Politicians over the decades as well!
说的好LS！
我同意你的观点！
罪魁祸首也同样是在过去几十年里腐败的希腊政界。
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September 11, 2012 by Zak the Greek (United Arab Emirates ), 14 hours 38 min ago
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If Jim is American than I am German , being born and raised in Germany I can tell you blindly the way he writes he is German and by using an American name I can see that he hasnt got the balls to stay for what he is . He we have two crucial Point !!
1. Greek system is a farse and Politicians represent their interests not the ones of their Citizen.
Yes, fully agree , we will resolve this issue . But as european brothers we should help each other and show understanding for what is going on but I can see the Dream of a United EU is and will be a Dream ! Everybody things about their Pockets their is not the " WE " things existing .
2. Greece has the right to these Funds . Mister Bratwurst Adams , why shall the poor Greeks that got slaughter by ruthless Nazi germans not receive Funds !! Are they the greek politicians that were wrong doing ? Germany has to pay and will pay BE SURE !! It was only a matter of time until they said " NOW " .Stop buying German Products , cars , LIDL , ALDI etc
回6L，
如果吉姆是美国人，那么我是德国人。出生并且在德国长大。我可以告诉你轻率的写出自己是德国人（在1L的IP显示是在德国），并且用了美国人的名字。我所能看到的是他持续的在为他是做什么的而逗留。关于他，我们有两个关键！！
1、希腊的系统是个错误，并且政客们代表的是他们自己的利益而非他们的公民。
是的，完全正确，我们会解决这个问题。但是作为一个欧洲兄弟，我么应该互相帮助并且彰显出对彼此的理解是怎么回事。但是我可以看到的是，欧洲统一的梦想永远只是一个梦！事关每个人的口袋，是不存在“我们”这回事的。
2、希腊有权去要求这些资金。来自德国的腊肠先生，为什么穷困潦倒的希腊人得到了纳粹的屠杀却不能获得赔款！！希腊的政客们做错了吗？德国不得不支付，而且是一定要去支付！！直到他们说“现在”为止，这都只是时间问题。停止购买德国货，拒绝德国汽车、德国利德尔（零售企业）、还有阿尔迪（德国最大的连锁超市）等等。
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Greece’s Finance Ministry will calculate the country’s claim for World War II reparations against Germany, Deputy Finance Minister Christos Staikouras said.
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯表示，希腊财政部门将计算德国在二战中应该支付给希腊的战争赔款。
The General Accounting Office will make the calculation for the first time, Staikouras said today in response to a question from a lawmaker from the Independent Greeks party. The ministry has begun collecting archival material to be examined by a group of experts, he said.
总审计署表示将会在第一时间尽快计算出来，克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉表示今天在已经就该问题回答了立法委员。该部长还表示真回复部门已经由一些专家开始重新收集资料检查德国应付给希腊的赔款。
“The German reparations are a particularly complex legal issue and subject to study and settlement at an international level in accordance with the rules of international law,” Staikouras said. “The case is still outstanding, and as a country we reserve the right and the possibility to manage it to a satisfactory conclusion.”
克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯说：“德国的赔款是个特别复杂的法律问题，并且应该以研究为基础，来按照国家法律规定的国际水平解决这一问题”同时，他还说：“这个赔款问题仍是未完全解决的，同时作为一个国家，我们保留权利及一切可能性来圆满解决该问题”
Some Greek politicians have evoked memories of the country’s Nazi occupation during World War II since the start of the country’s debt crisis. During the country’s election campaigns in May and June Independent Greeks demanded Germany pay reparations.
一些希腊的政客们抱怨是由于在二战时期被纳粹占领所导致了现在该国的债务危机。在这个国家5月和6月举行选举的期间，独立的希腊人民要求德国支付战争赔款。
Greece has in the past decade had to juggle claims on war reparations from Germany with close bilateral relations between the countries. The claims include compensation for loans the country was forced to make to Germany during the Nazi occupation.
在过去的十年里，希腊在与德国保持密切双边关系的基础上，致力于向德国取得战争索赔。索赔项目包括其在被纳粹党占领之间向德国缴纳的国家贷款补偿金。
Germany’s Constitutional Court ruled in March 2006 it didn’t have to pay compensation to individuals seeking damages over war crimes committed during World War II. Germany paid 115 million deutsche marks ($74 million) to Greek victims of Nazi crimes under a 1960 treaty, in addition to funds paid out to victims of forced labor under the Third Reich, German Foreign Ministry spokesman Andreas Peschke told reporters in 2010.
德国外交部发言人安德里亚斯.佩斯克斯在2010年告诉记者，希腊提出的是伪证。他称，在2006年3月，德国宪法法院称，根据德国在二战中所犯下的罪行，现在德国已经没根据个人寻求来进行赔偿了。在与希腊的1960年签订的条约表明，德国根据纳粹罪行已经向希腊支付了1.15亿德国马克的赔偿金，另外也向强迫在第三国家的劳动者进行了资金赔偿。
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据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。
据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。此前，希腊政治家马诺利斯·格列索斯经计算后扬言，德国亏欠希腊1620亿欧元（约合人民币13117亿元）战争赔款，如果加上每年3%的利息，德国欠希腊上万亿欧元，远高于欧盟所提供的全部救助贷款金额。
报道称，希腊财政部在一份声明中称，由4人组成的“工作组”预计将在今年年底前提交报告。希腊政府表示，德国已经向希腊支付过一部分战争赔款，但是因为上世纪50年代谈判期间，希腊被迫接受不利于本国的条款，所以希腊仍保留索赔权利。
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯也称赔偿问题悬而未决，他呼吁采取一个“现实和冷静的”办法来处理这一棘手问题。
德国尚未对希腊的最新举措表态。此前，德国外交部长基多·韦斯特维勒发表声明说，德国承认对二战负有责任，但已经支付了所有亏欠希腊的赔偿。
目前，希腊经济仍处于严重的困境之中，曾多次接受欧盟救助贷款，其中德国是最大的捐助者。但是，很多希腊人指责德国强迫希腊施行严厉的紧缩政策，还有人抱怨纳粹德国当年对希腊的入侵导致现今希腊经济不景气。对此，一些分析人士指出，希腊人应该改变他们的生活方式，不能永远责备那场已结束67年的战争。
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09-05-2012 06:43 PM #2 Ragnus
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Goddamn. Scumbag Greece up in here.
该死的。卑鄙的希腊精通此道。
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09-05-2012 06:54 PM #3 Azull
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Guess Greece has never heard the phrase "Dont bite the hand that feeds you"
我猜，希腊人从未听过这句话：“别恩将仇报”
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09-05-2012 06:56 PM #4 Hirokei Kiaza
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Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.
用更加自负的态度给犹太人打工，为什么自己不去试一试呢
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09-05-2012 07:00 PM #5 Churchill
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Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza
“Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.”
This and, if anything, Germany is the only reason we don't think of Greece as we do the majority of India.
I love when rivers are just full of human waste, aw yea.
回LS,
这，如果有什么区别的话，德国是唯一的原因，我们不用考虑希腊，如同我们为了大多数印度人。
我爱河流里飘满了人类的废弃物。噢，是的！
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Oh man, merkel is dead if she puts up another cent in taxpayer money for greek bailouts lol. Next week on "As the EU turns"...
哦，朋友，如果默克尔提出另一个用纳税人的钱来给希腊救助的话，那么她死定了。下周朝着“正如欧盟XX转变”
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And just today I was thinking "i haven't heard anything about the eurozone in quite some time, I wonder how that's going?"
标题：希腊重新计算并向德国要求索赔战争赔款
就在今天，我刚刚在想：“在相当长的一段时间里，我都没有听到任何关于欧元区的消息了，我想知道那里进展的怎么样了”
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Did Greece just Godwin their economy?
希腊只能让戈德温来搞他们的经济了吗？
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Hey Germany, I know you basically keep our ass afloat, but about that shit you owe us because of the Nazis. Classy Greece, very classy.
嘿，德国。我知道基本上你要为我们一屁股的升级（龙腾网注：此处或许存疑），但是因为纳粹你的确欠我们的这该死的狗屎般的债务。上等的希腊，是非常优雅的。
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If they really wanted to give Germany the finger, they'd leave the EU. Or if Germany didn't want to antagonize Greece, well maybe they shouldn't have attached austerity to the bailout loans.
如果他们真的想要对德国竖中指，他们将会远离欧盟。或者，如果德国不想去得罪希腊，好的，也许他们本不应该去附加上紧缩的救助贷款。
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In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.
事实上，整个欧盟救助计划就是一个政治噱头。
德国政府想要机智的保存欧盟，由于他们只从经济上是受益的，同样，不超过欧盟的其他国家，但是默克尔还有她的朋友们知道在政治上最不受欢迎的救星就是德国人，所以他们想让他们看起来像是并非是发放免费的钱给那些肮脏的、懒惰的南欧人。所以，他们将收回并且附加紧缩条件的紧急救助，所以默克尔可以指着希腊并且说道：“看？看！我们给的钱不是免费的。它带来的后果就是毁掉他们的社会”
不知何故，伴随着希腊大量的树叶、自杀事件、以及爆发的犯罪，我们将对希腊人是如此忘恩负义表示愤怒。我把希腊的现状归咎于他们的大肆挥霍吗？我知道德国政府不可以疯掉，因为他们正在得到他们想要的东西，这不过是政治上的私利。
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I do think the entire Euro economic situation is a clusterfuck, but I am extremely amused at all the Greek hate about not paying debts when Germany did it first. Payback is a bitch 65+ years after the fact I guess?
我认为整个欧元区现状就是胡闹，但是我极其地被希腊人反感的德国人第一个去偿还债务给逗乐了！偿还的是6个妓女+我猜这些年加一起的？
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This is fucking jokes lol. Gives a whole new meaning to "we reserve the right to retaliate at a later date" xD
这他妈的就是个笑话！哈！给他一个全新的定义就是：“我们保留在过期的时间去进行报复的权利”拦路的强盗。
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Originally Posted by Kuya
“In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.”
The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.
回10L，
希腊人在这个争议里到处都是漏洞。多年的逃税已经变成了民族特色以及没有依照法律来打击这种行为导致了国家无法支撑财政的这样一个局面。那是欺骗用大便来换取收入。
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40 acres and a bratwurst
40英亩的德国小腊肠
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Originally Posted by ronin sparthos
“The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.”
Not so much a sport as an obligation. Greeks view "starving the beast" as a duty because their government is so corrupt and untrustworthy. Pretty scary preview of where the US is probably headed...
回13L，
与其说是一种运动，不如说是一种义务。希腊人的观点是作为责任即“饥饿的野兽”，因为他们的政府是如此的腐败和不靠谱的。那儿即使是美国领导，也会是很吓人的预览。
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (Germany ), 6 days 16 hours ago
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Stop wasting your time (and everybody else's) on WWII reparations. You ain't getting them. How about your start introducing plans on how to save the Greek nation from falling off the cliff? Talking about reparations is just trying to shift the focus and the blame away from government incompetence through the years.
别再把你们的时间（也包括其他人的）浪费在二战赔款上了！你们无法从他们那里得到（赔款）。你们认为说是开始引进计划来拯救跌落悬崖的希腊如何？讨论赔款只是在试图转换焦点并且让政府逃避这么多年来的无能的责任。
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September 5, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 6 days 13 hours ago
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@jim Adams:
You're partly right Jim... However, if Greece exercises its right to the war reparations at the world Court in the Hague, that would oblige Germany to pay for everything that was stolen..Germany has paid reparations to every country involved except for Greece...
Germany wants to Greece to pay back loans at loan shark rates but are playing dumb to what they owe Greece...Hypocrisy at its best....
回LS，
你只说对了一部分。吉姆。。。。然而，希腊 如果在世界海牙发帖来行使要求对战争赔款的权力，这将迫使德国已经支付的一切（赔款）都被无视了。。。德国已经向每个国家都支付了赔款，也涉及到摒除在外的希腊。
德国希望希腊去偿还这高额的贷款利率，仅仅是对于他们欠希腊人的部分进行装聋作哑。。。德国最擅长的就是伪善
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 6 days 9 hours ago
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@gohdenny22:
I am not questioning whether Greece is entitled to reparations. I am simply stating that Greece has zero chance of getting anything. Political leaders are responsible for weighing circumstances and pursuing attainable targets. Not taking the nation on a wild goose chase. This is how the rest of the world sees it:
Does Germany Owe Greece $95 Billion from WW II?
回LS，
我并不质疑希腊是否有资格要求赔款。我只是单单想说希腊已经没有机会要求任何东西了。政治领导人有责任去权衡环境还有追求可实现的目标。别让国家去做徒劳的追求。这是关系到世界其他国家如何来看待他（希腊）
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September 6, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 5 days 13 hours ago
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@Jim Adams:
You're right.. There is no question that our politicians, primarily 2 families have been bought to maintain the status quo...We need politicians to step up and fight for this country, otherwise we can pretty much take Hellas out of all maps...
回LS，
你是对的。。毫无疑问，我们的政客们，主要是两大势力已经被收买了来维持现状。。。我么需要政客们去加大并且为这个国家去奋斗，否则，我们几乎会让希腊文从地图上消失了。。
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September 6, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 5 days 18 hours ago
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Greece is Entitled to pursue this matter of War reparation payments for the destruction of villages,infrastucture, the murder of over 1 million Greek civilians and the looting of its assets. The Germans scums have a short memory, after WW2 the world abolished the debts of the German Govt. I would perhaps agree with you that Greece doesnt stand a chance, but maybe if Greece pulls out of EU and NATO and gives the Green light to the Russians to establish military bases including nuclear missles in Greece, then its a different ball game.
Greece needs a govt with balls to stand up to the EU scums. A leader like Georgios Papadopoulos is needed.
希腊有权去要求战争赔款来支付毁灭的村庄和基础设施，已经超过100万希腊人的屠杀还有被抢劫的财产。德国的垃圾们记忆力不好，二战以后废除了德国政府的债务。我假定支持你希腊，可他是没有机会的。但是，也许如果德国退出了欧盟和北约，同时给俄罗斯人开了绿灯去在希腊建立军事基地包括核导弹。那么它将是不同的局面。
希腊需要一个政府去勇敢的反对欧盟的浮渣。他们需要一个像乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯一样的领导人。
PS：（乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯（希腊语：Γεώργιος Παπαδόπουλος，1919年5月5日－1999年6月27日），希腊军人，1967年4月21日发动军事政变获得政权，并一直担任军政府领导人至1974年。）
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September 6, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 5 days 15 hours ago
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@manos2:
Out of EU, NATO... Jump in bed with the Russians... Nuclear missiles in Greece, and Papadopoulos is needed? What are you on? Are you smoking your vegemite lately?
PS. What's with the 'sexual invitation'? Are you so frustrated sexually that you cannot participate in any type of conversation with others?
回LS，
退出欧盟、北约，跑去跟俄罗斯搞在一起。。。在希腊搞核导弹，还有乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯都是必要的吗？你要干嘛？最近你咸味酱吃多了吗？
PS：“性邀请”什么意思？你是如此的沮丧以致于都无法与任何类型的人沟通了吗？
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 19 hours ago
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Jim Adams - What malakies are you talking about.
We dont smoke vegemite unlike you yanks that snort bathroom salts. How ever with the ciggarette prices in Australia @ $20 a pack probably smoking vegemite might be an alternate.
As sexual invititions what the f@ck your on about.
As your president Obama allowing Gays to join the US Army, you will probably make a good candidate.
Know getting to the point, Greece should take a Hardline against the EU and escpecially Germany. Germany is not the only economic power, so is CHINA.Greece should approach China for loans and other investments. We in Australia, unlike in the US, Australia has benefited from China investments and we have a high living standards compared to the US. But we too a have a stupid Govt in Australia.
回LS，
你讨论的是哪种问题？
我们不抽烟不像你们美国佬喜欢吸食浴盐毒品。怎么烟在澳大利亚的价格是20美刀，而维吉麦（在澳洲流行的一种酱）可能只是候补。
性邀请关你毛事？
作为你们的总统奥巴马允许基佬参加美国陆军，你也许是个好人选。
言归正传，希腊应该采取一种强硬的措施来反对欧盟特别是德国。德国不是唯一的经济力量，这样的话你们还可以找中国。希腊应该采取措施向中国靠拢来获取贷款及其他投资。我们在澳大利亚，不像在美国。澳大利亚在与中国的投资中受益很多，并且我们的生活水平与美国相当。但是我们澳大利亚也有一个愚蠢的政府。
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September 7, 2012 by John Gurlides (United Kingdom ), 4 days 16 hours ago
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The Americans are to blame for Germany coming out of WW II better off economically-speaking than they did in WW I. They thought the WW I payments were excessive and possibly a cause for WW II, and would not have the same situation again.
Greece ended up paying for it as she was - once again - taken for granted.
We are historically entitled to repayment of the loan and reparations but, without a doubt, we will not get it any more than Hungary will be rewarded the 1954 World Cup.
All that aside, can we PLEASE stop arguing amongst ourselves? The culprits are in Washington!
美国人把二战归咎于德国，德国已经从二战中走出来并且经济比在一战时候好。他们认为一战支付是过多的，很有可能导致了二战的爆发，同样的事情不会在发生了。希腊要求的支付已经结束了——再一次——就会被视作为理所应当的。
从历史上讲，我们有权偿还贷款并且支付赔款，但是，毫无疑问，我们再不会得到超过匈牙利在1954年世界杯得到的。
把一切都放在一边，我们能停止去我们之间的互相争吵吗？真正的犯人在华盛顿。
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 4 hours ago
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Well said John - I agree. The culprits are also CORRUPT Greek Politicians over the decades as well!
说的好LS！
我同意你的观点！
罪魁祸首也同样是在过去几十年里腐败的希腊政界。
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September 11, 2012 by Zak the Greek (United Arab Emirates ), 14 hours 38 min ago
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If Jim is American than I am German , being born and raised in Germany I can tell you blindly the way he writes he is German and by using an American name I can see that he hasnt got the balls to stay for what he is . He we have two crucial Point !!
1. Greek system is a farse and Politicians represent their interests not the ones of their Citizen.
Yes, fully agree , we will resolve this issue . But as european brothers we should help each other and show understanding for what is going on but I can see the Dream of a United EU is and will be a Dream ! Everybody things about their Pockets their is not the " WE " things existing .
2. Greece has the right to these Funds . Mister Bratwurst Adams , why shall the poor Greeks that got slaughter by ruthless Nazi germans not receive Funds !! Are they the greek politicians that were wrong doing ? Germany has to pay and will pay BE SURE !! It was only a matter of time until they said " NOW " .Stop buying German Products , cars , LIDL , ALDI etc
回6L，
如果吉姆是美国人，那么我是德国人。出生并且在德国长大。我可以告诉你轻率的写出自己是德国人（在1L的IP显示是在德国），并且用了美国人的名字。我所能看到的是他持续的在为他是做什么的而逗留。关于他，我们有两个关键！！
1、希腊的系统是个错误，并且政客们代表的是他们自己的利益而非他们的公民。
是的，完全正确，我们会解决这个问题。但是作为一个欧洲兄弟，我么应该互相帮助并且彰显出对彼此的理解是怎么回事。但是我可以看到的是，欧洲统一的梦想永远只是一个梦！事关每个人的口袋，是不存在“我们”这回事的。
2、希腊有权去要求这些资金。来自德国的腊肠先生，为什么穷困潦倒的希腊人得到了纳粹的屠杀却不能获得赔款！！希腊的政客们做错了吗？德国不得不支付，而且是一定要去支付！！直到他们说“现在”为止，这都只是时间问题。停止购买德国货，拒绝德国汽车、德国利德尔（零售企业）、还有阿尔迪（德国最大的连锁超市）等等。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/5699.html 希腊人怕是脑子烧坏了？？？
Greece’s Finance Ministry will calculate the country’s claim for World War II reparations against Germany, Deputy Finance Minister Christos Staikouras said.
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯表示，希腊财政部门将计算德国在二战中应该支付给希腊的战争赔款。
The General Accounting Office will make the calculation for the first time, Staikouras said today in response to a question from a lawmaker from the Independent Greeks party. The ministry has begun collecting archival material to be examined by a group of experts, he said.
总审计署表示将会在第一时间尽快计算出来，克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉表示今天在已经就该问题回答了立法委员。该部长还表示真回复部门已经由一些专家开始重新收集资料检查德国应付给希腊的赔款。
“The German reparations are a particularly complex legal issue and subject to study and settlement at an international level in accordance with the rules of international law,” Staikouras said. “The case is still outstanding, and as a country we reserve the right and the possibility to manage it to a satisfactory conclusion.”
克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯说：“德国的赔款是个特别复杂的法律问题，并且应该以研究为基础，来按照国家法律规定的国际水平解决这一问题”同时，他还说：“这个赔款问题仍是未完全解决的，同时作为一个国家，我们保留权利及一切可能性来圆满解决该问题”
Some Greek politicians have evoked memories of the country’s Nazi occupation during World War II since the start of the country’s debt crisis. During the country’s election campaigns in May and June Independent Greeks demanded Germany pay reparations.
一些希腊的政客们抱怨是由于在二战时期被纳粹占领所导致了现在该国的债务危机。在这个国家5月和6月举行选举的期间，独立的希腊人民要求德国支付战争赔款。
Greece has in the past decade had to juggle claims on war reparations from Germany with close bilateral relations between the countries. The claims include compensation for loans the country was forced to make to Germany during the Nazi occupation.
在过去的十年里，希腊在与德国保持密切双边关系的基础上，致力于向德国取得战争索赔。索赔项目包括其在被纳粹党占领之间向德国缴纳的国家贷款补偿金。
Germany’s Constitutional Court ruled in March 2006 it didn’t have to pay compensation to individuals seeking damages over war crimes committed during World War II. Germany paid 115 million deutsche marks ($74 million) to Greek victims of Nazi crimes under a 1960 treaty, in addition to funds paid out to victims of forced labor under the Third Reich, German Foreign Ministry spokesman Andreas Peschke told reporters in 2010.
德国外交部发言人安德里亚斯.佩斯克斯在2010年告诉记者，希腊提出的是伪证。他称，在2006年3月，德国宪法法院称，根据德国在二战中所犯下的罪行，现在德国已经没根据个人寻求来进行赔偿了。在与希腊的1960年签订的条约表明，德国根据纳粹罪行已经向希腊支付了1.15亿德国马克的赔偿金，另外也向强迫在第三国家的劳动者进行了资金赔偿。
中国新闻
据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。
据澳大利亚《先驱太阳报》11日报道，希腊财政部日前宣布成立一个“工作组”，彻底搜寻历史档案，清点德国应该支付给希腊的二战赔款，预计数额将高达750万美元（约合人民币4773万元）。此前，希腊政治家马诺利斯·格列索斯经计算后扬言，德国亏欠希腊1620亿欧元（约合人民币13117亿元）战争赔款，如果加上每年3%的利息，德国欠希腊上万亿欧元，远高于欧盟所提供的全部救助贷款金额。
报道称，希腊财政部在一份声明中称，由4人组成的“工作组”预计将在今年年底前提交报告。希腊政府表示，德国已经向希腊支付过一部分战争赔款，但是因为上世纪50年代谈判期间，希腊被迫接受不利于本国的条款，所以希腊仍保留索赔权利。
希腊财政部副部长克里斯托斯·斯泰克拉斯也称赔偿问题悬而未决，他呼吁采取一个“现实和冷静的”办法来处理这一棘手问题。
德国尚未对希腊的最新举措表态。此前，德国外交部长基多·韦斯特维勒发表声明说，德国承认对二战负有责任，但已经支付了所有亏欠希腊的赔偿。
目前，希腊经济仍处于严重的困境之中，曾多次接受欧盟救助贷款，其中德国是最大的捐助者。但是，很多希腊人指责德国强迫希腊施行严厉的紧缩政策，还有人抱怨纳粹德国当年对希腊的入侵导致现今希腊经济不景气。对此，一些分析人士指出，希腊人应该改变他们的生活方式，不能永远责备那场已结束67年的战争。
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09-05-2012 06:43 PM #2 Ragnus
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Goddamn. Scumbag Greece up in here.
该死的。卑鄙的希腊精通此道。
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09-05-2012 06:54 PM #3 Azull
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Guess Greece has never heard the phrase "Dont bite the hand that feeds you"
我猜，希腊人从未听过这句话：“别恩将仇报”
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09-05-2012 06:56 PM #4 Hirokei Kiaza
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Shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yam shimmy ya
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Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.
用更加自负的态度给犹太人打工，为什么自己不去试一试呢
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09-05-2012 07:00 PM #5 Churchill
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Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza
“Works for the Jews on an even much grander scale, why not give it a shot.”
This and, if anything, Germany is the only reason we don't think of Greece as we do the majority of India.
I love when rivers are just full of human waste, aw yea.
回LS,
这，如果有什么区别的话，德国是唯一的原因，我们不用考虑希腊，如同我们为了大多数印度人。
我爱河流里飘满了人类的废弃物。噢，是的！
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Oh man, merkel is dead if she puts up another cent in taxpayer money for greek bailouts lol. Next week on "As the EU turns"...
哦，朋友，如果默克尔提出另一个用纳税人的钱来给希腊救助的话，那么她死定了。下周朝着“正如欧盟XX转变”
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And just today I was thinking "i haven't heard anything about the eurozone in quite some time, I wonder how that's going?"
标题：希腊重新计算并向德国要求索赔战争赔款
就在今天，我刚刚在想：“在相当长的一段时间里，我都没有听到任何关于欧元区的消息了，我想知道那里进展的怎么样了”
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Did Greece just Godwin their economy?
希腊只能让戈德温来搞他们的经济了吗？
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Hey Germany, I know you basically keep our ass afloat, but about that shit you owe us because of the Nazis. Classy Greece, very classy.
嘿，德国。我知道基本上你要为我们一屁股的升级（龙腾网注：此处或许存疑），但是因为纳粹你的确欠我们的这该死的狗屎般的债务。上等的希腊，是非常优雅的。
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Nikkei will still get me.
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If they really wanted to give Germany the finger, they'd leave the EU. Or if Germany didn't want to antagonize Greece, well maybe they shouldn't have attached austerity to the bailout loans.
如果他们真的想要对德国竖中指，他们将会远离欧盟。或者，如果德国不想去得罪希腊，好的，也许他们本不应该去附加上紧缩的救助贷款。
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In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.
事实上，整个欧盟救助计划就是一个政治噱头。
德国政府想要机智的保存欧盟，由于他们只从经济上是受益的，同样，不超过欧盟的其他国家，但是默克尔还有她的朋友们知道在政治上最不受欢迎的救星就是德国人，所以他们想让他们看起来像是并非是发放免费的钱给那些肮脏的、懒惰的南欧人。所以，他们将收回并且附加紧缩条件的紧急救助，所以默克尔可以指着希腊并且说道：“看？看！我们给的钱不是免费的。它带来的后果就是毁掉他们的社会”
不知何故，伴随着希腊大量的树叶、自杀事件、以及爆发的犯罪，我们将对希腊人是如此忘恩负义表示愤怒。我把希腊的现状归咎于他们的大肆挥霍吗？我知道德国政府不可以疯掉，因为他们正在得到他们想要的东西，这不过是政治上的私利。
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I do think the entire Euro economic situation is a clusterfuck, but I am extremely amused at all the Greek hate about not paying debts when Germany did it first. Payback is a bitch 65+ years after the fact I guess?
我认为整个欧元区现状就是胡闹，但是我极其地被希腊人反感的德国人第一个去偿还债务给逗乐了！偿还的是6个妓女+我猜这些年加一起的？
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This is fucking jokes lol. Gives a whole new meaning to "we reserve the right to retaliate at a later date" xD
这他妈的就是个笑话！哈！给他一个全新的定义就是：“我们保留在过期的时间去进行报复的权利”拦路的强盗。
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Originally Posted by Kuya
“In fact, this whole EU rescue package is a political claptrap.
The German government wants to keep the EU in tact, since they benefit from it economically just as much if not more than everyone else in Europe, but Merkel & friends know that the bailout is politically unpopular to the German people, so they want to make it seem like they're not giving out free money to those filthy, lazy southern europeans. And so they attach back breaking austerity as a condition to the bailouts so Merkel can point at Greece and say "See? See!? The money we're giving them isn't free! It comes with the consequence of destroying their society!".
And somehow, with Greece having massive unemployment, outbreaks of suicides and crime, we're supposed to be mad at the Greeks for being so ungrateful. Am i supposed to blame the Greeks for lashing out? I know the German government can't be mad, because they're getting what they wanted, which is political expediency.”
The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.
回10L，
希腊人在这个争议里到处都是漏洞。多年的逃税已经变成了民族特色以及没有依照法律来打击这种行为导致了国家无法支撑财政的这样一个局面。那是欺骗用大便来换取收入。
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40 acres and a bratwurst
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Originally Posted by ronin sparthos
“The Greeks are not squeaky clean in this arrangement. Years of tax evasion being the national sport and little to no law enforcement to crackdown on such behavior led a situation of unsustainable funding propping up a country that was taking in shit for revenues.”
Not so much a sport as an obligation. Greeks view "starving the beast" as a duty because their government is so corrupt and untrustworthy. Pretty scary preview of where the US is probably headed...
回13L，
与其说是一种运动，不如说是一种义务。希腊人的观点是作为责任即“饥饿的野兽”，因为他们的政府是如此的腐败和不靠谱的。那儿即使是美国领导，也会是很吓人的预览。
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (Germany ), 6 days 16 hours ago
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Stop wasting your time (and everybody else's) on WWII reparations. You ain't getting them. How about your start introducing plans on how to save the Greek nation from falling off the cliff? Talking about reparations is just trying to shift the focus and the blame away from government incompetence through the years.
别再把你们的时间（也包括其他人的）浪费在二战赔款上了！你们无法从他们那里得到（赔款）。你们认为说是开始引进计划来拯救跌落悬崖的希腊如何？讨论赔款只是在试图转换焦点并且让政府逃避这么多年来的无能的责任。
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September 5, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 6 days 13 hours ago
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@jim Adams:
You're partly right Jim... However, if Greece exercises its right to the war reparations at the world Court in the Hague, that would oblige Germany to pay for everything that was stolen..Germany has paid reparations to every country involved except for Greece...
Germany wants to Greece to pay back loans at loan shark rates but are playing dumb to what they owe Greece...Hypocrisy at its best....
回LS，
你只说对了一部分。吉姆。。。。然而，希腊 如果在世界海牙发帖来行使要求对战争赔款的权力，这将迫使德国已经支付的一切（赔款）都被无视了。。。德国已经向每个国家都支付了赔款，也涉及到摒除在外的希腊。
德国希望希腊去偿还这高额的贷款利率，仅仅是对于他们欠希腊人的部分进行装聋作哑。。。德国最擅长的就是伪善
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September 5, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 6 days 9 hours ago
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@gohdenny22:
I am not questioning whether Greece is entitled to reparations. I am simply stating that Greece has zero chance of getting anything. Political leaders are responsible for weighing circumstances and pursuing attainable targets. Not taking the nation on a wild goose chase. This is how the rest of the world sees it:
Does Germany Owe Greece $95 Billion from WW II?
回LS，
我并不质疑希腊是否有资格要求赔款。我只是单单想说希腊已经没有机会要求任何东西了。政治领导人有责任去权衡环境还有追求可实现的目标。别让国家去做徒劳的追求。这是关系到世界其他国家如何来看待他（希腊）
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September 6, 2012 by gohdenny22 (Canada ), 5 days 13 hours ago
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@Jim Adams:
You're right.. There is no question that our politicians, primarily 2 families have been bought to maintain the status quo...We need politicians to step up and fight for this country, otherwise we can pretty much take Hellas out of all maps...
回LS，
你是对的。。毫无疑问，我们的政客们，主要是两大势力已经被收买了来维持现状。。。我么需要政客们去加大并且为这个国家去奋斗，否则，我们几乎会让希腊文从地图上消失了。。
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September 6, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 5 days 18 hours ago
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Greece is Entitled to pursue this matter of War reparation payments for the destruction of villages,infrastucture, the murder of over 1 million Greek civilians and the looting of its assets. The Germans scums have a short memory, after WW2 the world abolished the debts of the German Govt. I would perhaps agree with you that Greece doesnt stand a chance, but maybe if Greece pulls out of EU and NATO and gives the Green light to the Russians to establish military bases including nuclear missles in Greece, then its a different ball game.
Greece needs a govt with balls to stand up to the EU scums. A leader like Georgios Papadopoulos is needed.
希腊有权去要求战争赔款来支付毁灭的村庄和基础设施，已经超过100万希腊人的屠杀还有被抢劫的财产。德国的垃圾们记忆力不好，二战以后废除了德国政府的债务。我假定支持你希腊，可他是没有机会的。但是，也许如果德国退出了欧盟和北约，同时给俄罗斯人开了绿灯去在希腊建立军事基地包括核导弹。那么它将是不同的局面。
希腊需要一个政府去勇敢的反对欧盟的浮渣。他们需要一个像乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯一样的领导人。
PS：（乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯（希腊语：Γεώργιος Παπαδόπουλος，1919年5月5日－1999年6月27日），希腊军人，1967年4月21日发动军事政变获得政权，并一直担任军政府领导人至1974年。）
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September 6, 2012 by Jim Adams (United States ), 5 days 15 hours ago
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@manos2:
Out of EU, NATO... Jump in bed with the Russians... Nuclear missiles in Greece, and Papadopoulos is needed? What are you on? Are you smoking your vegemite lately?
PS. What's with the 'sexual invitation'? Are you so frustrated sexually that you cannot participate in any type of conversation with others?
回LS，
退出欧盟、北约，跑去跟俄罗斯搞在一起。。。在希腊搞核导弹，还有乔治斯·帕帕佐普洛斯都是必要的吗？你要干嘛？最近你咸味酱吃多了吗？
PS：“性邀请”什么意思？你是如此的沮丧以致于都无法与任何类型的人沟通了吗？
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 19 hours ago
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Jim Adams - What malakies are you talking about.
We dont smoke vegemite unlike you yanks that snort bathroom salts. How ever with the ciggarette prices in Australia @ $20 a pack probably smoking vegemite might be an alternate.
As sexual invititions what the f@ck your on about.
As your president Obama allowing Gays to join the US Army, you will probably make a good candidate.
Know getting to the point, Greece should take a Hardline against the EU and escpecially Germany. Germany is not the only economic power, so is CHINA.Greece should approach China for loans and other investments. We in Australia, unlike in the US, Australia has benefited from China investments and we have a high living standards compared to the US. But we too a have a stupid Govt in Australia.
回LS，
你讨论的是哪种问题？
我们不抽烟不像你们美国佬喜欢吸食浴盐毒品。怎么烟在澳大利亚的价格是20美刀，而维吉麦（在澳洲流行的一种酱）可能只是候补。
性邀请关你毛事？
作为你们的总统奥巴马允许基佬参加美国陆军，你也许是个好人选。
言归正传，希腊应该采取一种强硬的措施来反对欧盟特别是德国。德国不是唯一的经济力量，这样的话你们还可以找中国。希腊应该采取措施向中国靠拢来获取贷款及其他投资。我们在澳大利亚，不像在美国。澳大利亚在与中国的投资中受益很多，并且我们的生活水平与美国相当。但是我们澳大利亚也有一个愚蠢的政府。
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September 7, 2012 by John Gurlides (United Kingdom ), 4 days 16 hours ago
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The Americans are to blame for Germany coming out of WW II better off economically-speaking than they did in WW I. They thought the WW I payments were excessive and possibly a cause for WW II, and would not have the same situation again.
Greece ended up paying for it as she was - once again - taken for granted.
We are historically entitled to repayment of the loan and reparations but, without a doubt, we will not get it any more than Hungary will be rewarded the 1954 World Cup.
All that aside, can we PLEASE stop arguing amongst ourselves? The culprits are in Washington!
美国人把二战归咎于德国，德国已经从二战中走出来并且经济比在一战时候好。他们认为一战支付是过多的，很有可能导致了二战的爆发，同样的事情不会在发生了。希腊要求的支付已经结束了——再一次——就会被视作为理所应当的。
从历史上讲，我们有权偿还贷款并且支付赔款，但是，毫无疑问，我们再不会得到超过匈牙利在1954年世界杯得到的。
把一切都放在一边，我们能停止去我们之间的互相争吵吗？真正的犯人在华盛顿。
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September 7, 2012 by manos2 (Australia ), 4 days 4 hours ago
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Well said John - I agree. The culprits are also CORRUPT Greek Politicians over the decades as well!
说的好LS！
我同意你的观点！
罪魁祸首也同样是在过去几十年里腐败的希腊政界。
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September 11, 2012 by Zak the Greek (United Arab Emirates ), 14 hours 38 min ago
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If Jim is American than I am German , being born and raised in Germany I can tell you blindly the way he writes he is German and by using an American name I can see that he hasnt got the balls to stay for what he is . He we have two crucial Point !!
1. Greek system is a farse and Politicians represent their interests not the ones of their Citizen.
Yes, fully agree , we will resolve this issue . But as european brothers we should help each other and show understanding for what is going on but I can see the Dream of a United EU is and will be a Dream ! Everybody things about their Pockets their is not the " WE " things existing .
2. Greece has the right to these Funds . Mister Bratwurst Adams , why shall the poor Greeks that got slaughter by ruthless Nazi germans not receive Funds !! Are they the greek politicians that were wrong doing ? Germany has to pay and will pay BE SURE !! It was only a matter of time until they said " NOW " .Stop buying German Products , cars , LIDL , ALDI etc
回6L，
如果吉姆是美国人，那么我是德国人。出生并且在德国长大。我可以告诉你轻率的写出自己是德国人（在1L的IP显示是在德国），并且用了美国人的名字。我所能看到的是他持续的在为他是做什么的而逗留。关于他，我们有两个关键！！
1、希腊的系统是个错误，并且政客们代表的是他们自己的利益而非他们的公民。
是的，完全正确，我们会解决这个问题。但是作为一个欧洲兄弟，我么应该互相帮助并且彰显出对彼此的理解是怎么回事。但是我可以看到的是，欧洲统一的梦想永远只是一个梦！事关每个人的口袋，是不存在“我们”这回事的。
2、希腊有权去要求这些资金。来自德国的腊肠先生，为什么穷困潦倒的希腊人得到了纳粹的屠杀却不能获得赔款！！希腊的政客们做错了吗？德国不得不支付，而且是一定要去支付！！直到他们说“现在”为止，这都只是时间问题。停止购买德国货，拒绝德国汽车、德国利德尔（零售企业）、还有阿尔迪（德国最大的连锁超市）等等。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/5699.html
德国不是付了战争赔款吗？难道还不够
我们也可以效仿用于日本鬼子身上。
希腊人不如现实点来中国打工，富士康招不到工人了。
希腊不怕被踢出欧元区吗？
希腊好吃懒做的，现在是逮住谁就要咬谁一口。