超级军网美国会攻击中国来抑制金融衰退吗？
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nolongTingWill Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« on: August 08, 2011, 05:18 PM »
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The possibility of yet another U.S. war became more real last week, when the Obama administration sharply confronted both China and Iran. The first aggressive act was performed by Obama’s Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, who “warned” China that it must support serious economic sanctions against Iran (an act of war).
Clinton said: “China will be under a lot of pressure to recognize the destabilizing effect that a nuclear-armed Iran would have, from which they receive a significant percentage of their oil supply.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17330
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-730542.0.html
奥巴马上周与中国和伊朗的争锋相对使得美国开始另一场战争的可能性上升。第一个强硬的行动是国务卿希拉里“警告”中国必须支持对伊朗的经济制裁（一种战争行为）
希拉里说：“中国会在强大压力下去认识到一个有核的伊朗会对世界带来何等的不稳定影响。他们很大比例的石油进口也是从伊朗进口。”
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nolongTingWill Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« on: August 08, 2011, 05:18 PM »
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The possibility of yet another U.S. war became more real last week, when the Obama administration sharply confronted both China and Iran. The first aggressive act was performed by Obama’s Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, who “warned” China that it must support serious economic sanctions against Iran (an act of war).
Clinton said: “China will be under a lot of pressure to recognize the destabilizing effect that a nuclear-armed Iran would have, from which they receive a significant percentage of their oil supply.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17330
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-730542.0.html
奥巴马上周与中国和伊朗的争锋相对使得美国开始另一场战争的可能性上升。第一个强硬的行动是国务卿希拉里“警告”中国必须支持对伊朗的经济制裁（一种战争行为）
希拉里说：“中国会在强大压力下去认识到一个有核的伊朗会对世界带来何等的不稳定影响。他们很大比例的石油进口也是从伊朗进口。”
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« on: August 08, 2011, 05:18 PM »
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The possibility of yet another U.S. war became more real last week, when the Obama administration sharply confronted both China and Iran. The first aggressive act was performed by Obama’s Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, who “warned” China that it must support serious economic sanctions against Iran (an act of war).
Clinton said: “China will be under a lot of pressure to recognize the destabilizing effect that a nuclear-armed Iran would have, from which they receive a significant percentage of their oil supply.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17330
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-730542.0.html
奥巴马上周与中国和伊朗的争锋相对使得美国开始另一场战争的可能性上升。第一个强硬的行动是国务卿希拉里“警告”中国必须支持对伊朗的经济制裁（一种战争行为）
希拉里说：“中国会在强大压力下去认识到一个有核的伊朗会对世界带来何等的不稳定影响。他们很大比例的石油进口也是从伊朗进口。”
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nolongTingWill Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« on: August 08, 2011, 05:18 PM »
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The possibility of yet another U.S. war became more real last week, when the Obama administration sharply confronted both China and Iran. The first aggressive act was performed by Obama’s Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, who “warned” China that it must support serious economic sanctions against Iran (an act of war).
Clinton said: “China will be under a lot of pressure to recognize the destabilizing effect that a nuclear-armed Iran would have, from which they receive a significant percentage of their oil supply.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17330
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-730542.0.html
奥巴马上周与中国和伊朗的争锋相对使得美国开始另一场战争的可能性上升。第一个强硬的行动是国务卿希拉里“警告”中国必须支持对伊朗的经济制裁（一种战争行为）
希拉里说：“中国会在强大压力下去认识到一个有核的伊朗会对世界带来何等的不稳定影响。他们很大比例的石油进口也是从伊朗进口。”
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Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #1 on: August 08, 2011, 05:30 PM »
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I hope not, it will be the end of the human race
我希望不要，这会是人类末日的.:(
~Bluetooth (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #3 on: August 08, 2011, 06:45 PM »
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There is an economic war going already and my guess is that china is winning ahead of Us.
经济战争已经开始了，而且我猜中国赢在前头。
« #1 on: August 08, 2011, 05:30 PM »
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I hope not, it will be the end of the human race
我希望不要，这会是人类末日的.:(
~Bluetooth (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #3 on: August 08, 2011, 06:45 PM »
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There is an economic war going already and my guess is that china is winning ahead of Us.
经济战争已经开始了，而且我猜中国赢在前头。
: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #4 on: August 08, 2011, 06:53 PM »
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how does going to war help stem an "economic decline?"
Anyway, US economy is still growing (2-3% a year, iirc.) Just not as quickly as China's (10% or so per year).
战争怎么抑制经济衰退？ 无论如何，美国经济还在增长（2-3%），只是没有中国那么快而已（10%）
ranlaenRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #6 on: August 08, 2011, 06:59 PM »
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nah,US is just blowing steam because its not only china that has iran support its also russia.
But anyhow USA cannot even afford the wars it has at the moment talk less of a new one.
their lose of triple A rating means burrowing to fight is also out of the question.
切，美国只是发发脾气 。因为不仅中国支持伊朗，俄罗斯也支持。
不管怎么说美国都没钱打现在的战争，更别说将来的了。
失去AAA评级也让借钱打仗成为妄想。
9jaganja (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #7 on: August 08, 2011, 07:02 PM »
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China's economy depends on America a little , Little because the world is made in China so Americans aren't the only customers but they are very very good customers!!
The USA can not afford war right now, Though I doubt they won't go to war when the party of NO gets there. it doesn't seem likely that Obama will win next election!
We have another party of NO now, Teabag republicans: The party of Never!
中国经济很小一部分依靠美国，因为全世界都是中国制造而美国不只是唯一的顾客，虽然他是很好很好的顾客。
美国打不起战争。 虽然我很怀疑”否决“党（共和党？）会不打仗，奥巴马前景不容乐观啊。
我们现在有另一个“否决党啦， 茶党（tea bag 怎么翻，求指点）
nolongTingRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #8 on: August 08, 2011, 09:12 PM »
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Quote from: ~Bluetooth on August 08, 2011, 06:45 PM
There is an economic war going already and my guess is that china is winning ahead of Us.
thats why I can see war on the horizon - will the USA willingly accept second place to China?
经济战争已经开始了，而且我猜中国赢在前头。
----这就是为什么我认为战争就快啦，你觉得美国会接受做老二嘛？
nolongTingRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #9 on: August 08, 2011, 09:15 PM »
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Quote from: ekt_bear on August 08, 2011, 06:53 PM
how does going to war help stem an "economic decline?"
If you look into Keynesian economics and the multiplier effect it will explain how.
战争怎么抑制经济衰退啊？
如果你研究凯恩斯理论和乘数效应就能解释了。
（指一块钱能对经济带来大于一块钱的效应，这是有个乘数的，基于你把钱借我，我把钱借你，然后大家都发展了= =）
nolongTingRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #10 on: August 08, 2011, 09:25 PM »
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Quote from: 9jaganja on August 08, 2011, 07:02 PM
China's economy depends on America a little , Little because the world is made in China so Americans aren't the only customers but they are very very good customers!!
The USA can not afford war right now, Though I doubt they won't go to war when the party of NO gets there. it doesn't seem likely that Obama will win next election!
We have another party of NO now, Teabag republicans: The party of Never!
That interesting, if the US depends on the Chinese economy a LITTLE but China holds US bonds worth over US$1 trillion who will GAIN the most if they go to war?
中国经济很小一部分依靠美国，因为全世界都是中国制造而美国不只是唯一的顾客，虽然他是很好很好的顾客。
美国打不起战争。 虽然我很怀疑”否决“党（共和党？）会不打仗，奥巴马前景不容乐观啊。
----很有趣啊，如果中国只有很小一部分经济依靠美国（感觉这老兄反了），但是中国有超过一万亿的债券，打起仗来谁会得到更多？
« #4 on: August 08, 2011, 06:53 PM »
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how does going to war help stem an "economic decline?"
Anyway, US economy is still growing (2-3% a year, iirc.) Just not as quickly as China's (10% or so per year).
战争怎么抑制经济衰退？ 无论如何，美国经济还在增长（2-3%），只是没有中国那么快而已（10%）
ranlaenRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #6 on: August 08, 2011, 06:59 PM »
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nah,US is just blowing steam because its not only china that has iran support its also russia.
But anyhow USA cannot even afford the wars it has at the moment talk less of a new one.
their lose of triple A rating means burrowing to fight is also out of the question.
切，美国只是发发脾气 。因为不仅中国支持伊朗，俄罗斯也支持。
不管怎么说美国都没钱打现在的战争，更别说将来的了。
失去AAA评级也让借钱打仗成为妄想。
9jaganja (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #7 on: August 08, 2011, 07:02 PM »
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China's economy depends on America a little , Little because the world is made in China so Americans aren't the only customers but they are very very good customers!!
The USA can not afford war right now, Though I doubt they won't go to war when the party of NO gets there. it doesn't seem likely that Obama will win next election!
We have another party of NO now, Teabag republicans: The party of Never!
中国经济很小一部分依靠美国，因为全世界都是中国制造而美国不只是唯一的顾客，虽然他是很好很好的顾客。
美国打不起战争。 虽然我很怀疑”否决“党（共和党？）会不打仗，奥巴马前景不容乐观啊。
我们现在有另一个“否决党啦， 茶党（tea bag 怎么翻，求指点）
nolongTingRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #8 on: August 08, 2011, 09:12 PM »
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Quote from: ~Bluetooth on August 08, 2011, 06:45 PM
There is an economic war going already and my guess is that china is winning ahead of Us.
thats why I can see war on the horizon - will the USA willingly accept second place to China?
经济战争已经开始了，而且我猜中国赢在前头。
----这就是为什么我认为战争就快啦，你觉得美国会接受做老二嘛？
nolongTingRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #9 on: August 08, 2011, 09:15 PM »
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Quote from: ekt_bear on August 08, 2011, 06:53 PM
how does going to war help stem an "economic decline?"
If you look into Keynesian economics and the multiplier effect it will explain how.
战争怎么抑制经济衰退啊？
如果你研究凯恩斯理论和乘数效应就能解释了。
（指一块钱能对经济带来大于一块钱的效应，这是有个乘数的，基于你把钱借我，我把钱借你，然后大家都发展了= =）
nolongTingRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #10 on: August 08, 2011, 09:25 PM »
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Quote from: 9jaganja on August 08, 2011, 07:02 PM
China's economy depends on America a little , Little because the world is made in China so Americans aren't the only customers but they are very very good customers!!
The USA can not afford war right now, Though I doubt they won't go to war when the party of NO gets there. it doesn't seem likely that Obama will win next election!
We have another party of NO now, Teabag republicans: The party of Never!
That interesting, if the US depends on the Chinese economy a LITTLE but China holds US bonds worth over US$1 trillion who will GAIN the most if they go to war?
中国经济很小一部分依靠美国，因为全世界都是中国制造而美国不只是唯一的顾客，虽然他是很好很好的顾客。
美国打不起战争。 虽然我很怀疑”否决“党（共和党？）会不打仗，奥巴马前景不容乐观啊。
----很有趣啊，如果中国只有很小一部分经济依靠美国（感觉这老兄反了），但是中国有超过一万亿的债券，打起仗来谁会得到更多？
nolongTing on August 08, 2011, 09:25 PM
That interesting, if the US depends on the Chinese economy a LITTLE but China holds US bonds worth over US$1 trillion who will GAIN the most if they go to war?
I believe if they go to war, the US will need propaganda to win such war owing to the fact that China can decide to inject the 1trillion dollars into the dollar market devaluing it by more than 80%, That will be detrimental to Americans trying to purchase oil, Americans' purchasing power will drop and they won't be able to buy oil from many countries except drill theirs which won't be enough,
China also has something to lose, NATO nations will not buy from China either and will also wage an economic war though most of Nato nations also owe something to China, The best option for China is to avoid such war because their economic activities depends on Western Europe and America a lot, In an economic war, they both stand to lose a lot but I think China can survive well without the USA, Though US can survive, it depends on that said bond China holds,
First, the USA will need to nullify the bond illegitimately, then they can think of War! But then again, Russia is there and is China's biggest Ally, The truth is, the war will be too deep to dig the countries involve out of it, Seriously such war will be harsh on humanity,
----很有趣啊，如果中国只有很小一部分经济依靠美国（感觉这老兄反了），但是中国有超过一万亿的债券，打起仗来谁会得到更多？
----我相信如果打起仗来，美国会需要宣传来赢得这场战争。因为中国可以把一万亿注入美元市场使美元贬值80% 。这对美国人购买石油是不利的，美元购买力下降，美元会买不起石油除非他们挖自己的，但这是不够的。
中国也有弱点，北约成员国会不从中国买东西而且也与中国开始经济战争，虽然他们也欠中国东西。中国最好的选项是避免战争，因为他们的经济活动非常依靠美国和西欧。这场经济战争，他们都会失去很多但我认为中国失去美国也可以活的很好。虽然美国会存活，但是这要看中国手中的债券。
首先，美国需要使国债非法违约，然后才能考虑战争。俄国在那而且还是中国最大的盟友。实际上，这场战争会是一个无底洞。这对人类是灾难性的。
That interesting, if the US depends on the Chinese economy a LITTLE but China holds US bonds worth over US$1 trillion who will GAIN the most if they go to war?
I believe if they go to war, the US will need propaganda to win such war owing to the fact that China can decide to inject the 1trillion dollars into the dollar market devaluing it by more than 80%, That will be detrimental to Americans trying to purchase oil, Americans' purchasing power will drop and they won't be able to buy oil from many countries except drill theirs which won't be enough,
China also has something to lose, NATO nations will not buy from China either and will also wage an economic war though most of Nato nations also owe something to China, The best option for China is to avoid such war because their economic activities depends on Western Europe and America a lot, In an economic war, they both stand to lose a lot but I think China can survive well without the USA, Though US can survive, it depends on that said bond China holds,
First, the USA will need to nullify the bond illegitimately, then they can think of War! But then again, Russia is there and is China's biggest Ally, The truth is, the war will be too deep to dig the countries involve out of it, Seriously such war will be harsh on humanity,
----很有趣啊，如果中国只有很小一部分经济依靠美国（感觉这老兄反了），但是中国有超过一万亿的债券，打起仗来谁会得到更多？
----我相信如果打起仗来，美国会需要宣传来赢得这场战争。因为中国可以把一万亿注入美元市场使美元贬值80% 。这对美国人购买石油是不利的，美元购买力下降，美元会买不起石油除非他们挖自己的，但这是不够的。
中国也有弱点，北约成员国会不从中国买东西而且也与中国开始经济战争，虽然他们也欠中国东西。中国最好的选项是避免战争，因为他们的经济活动非常依靠美国和西欧。这场经济战争，他们都会失去很多但我认为中国失去美国也可以活的很好。虽然美国会存活，但是这要看中国手中的债券。
首先，美国需要使国债非法违约，然后才能考虑战争。俄国在那而且还是中国最大的盟友。实际上，这场战争会是一个无底洞。这对人类是灾难性的。
(f)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #12 on: August 09, 2011, 02:22 AM »
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The U.S. has the technological advantage
美国有科技优势。
BeafRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #13 on: August 09, 2011, 10:58 AM »
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History has shown how such wars are fought. The US and USSR warred other through all sorts of proxy battles in places like Cuba, Afghanistan etc; you arm your allies to grapple and scrap, that way you avoid the nuclear button in an unwinnable war.
This time the battlefields will be countries with rich oil and mineral reserves.
历史证明了这场仗怎么打。美国和苏联在古巴，阿富汗这些地方进行代理人间的战争。你武装你的盟友让他们搏斗争吵，这样你就能避免无人能赢的核战争。
这次战争会在富含石油和矿藏的国家间。
tushutt (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #14 on: August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM »
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Quote from: H-Star89 on August 09, 2011, 02:22 AM
The U.S. has the technological advantage
and im sure china lacks that abi
美国有科技优势。
----而且我肯定中国没有！
el_cij (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #15 on: August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM »
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Quote from: Beaf on August 09, 2011, 10:58 AM
History has shown how such wars are fought. The US and USSR warred other through all sorts of proxy battles in places like Cuba, Afghanistan etc; you arm your allies to grapple and scrap, that way you avoid the nuclear button in an unwinnable war.
This time the battlefields will be countries with rich oil and mineral reserves.
such as Nigeria.
历史证明了这场仗怎么打。美国和苏联在古巴，阿富汗这些地方进行代理人间的战争。你武装你的盟友让他们搏斗争吵，这样你就能避免无人能赢的核战争。
这次战争会在富含石油和矿藏的国家间。
----就像尼日利亚
bossinieRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #16 on: August 09, 2011, 01:28 PM »
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Quote from: 9jaganja on August 08, 2011, 07:02 PM
China's economy depends on America a little , Little because the world is made in China so Americans aren't the only customers but they are very very good customers!!
The USA can not afford war right now, Though I doubt they won't go to war when the party of NO gets there. it doesn't seem likely that Obama will win next election!
We have another party of NO now, Teabag republicans: The party of Never!
It is highly detrimental for a debtor to go war against his creditor,let alone initiate that war.The US economy is fueled largely by credits from China,where do you think the US will borrow the just approved credit limit extension?Where do you think the man-power which drives most of the US major manufacturing companies come from? Well your guess is as good as mine,i believe this topic should just be commented on for humor sake,nothing more, inconceivable at this time!
债务人和债主的战争是很不利的，更别说挑起战争。美国经济很大程度上是靠中国购买国债来推动的，你觉得美国提高债务上限后会从那里借钱呢？你觉得推动美国主要的制造业的人力来自哪里？或许你的答案和我是一样的。我相信这个话题只是开开玩笑的，不为别的，因为这在现在是不可想象的！
bisiaetRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #17 on: August 09, 2011, 01:34 PM »
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Why would US attack China? No reason for such act.
为什么美国要打中国？没理由啊
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #18 on: August 09, 2011, 01:39 PM »
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They won't go to war, Well I doubt, my dear country U.S. will go to war for anything. Their wars are no longer justified. Keep in mind that U.S. has more weaponry and technological advantage over China though China has more economic standing than U.S. In addition, other than the nuclear weapons Russia has, what else have they, NOTHING. According to the START Treaty resigned last year that reduced nuclear warhead to 2,500 by both nations U.S. and Russia, technology wise, U.S. has better advantage over them. Russia is yet to spend tens of billions to overhaul its entire military fleet while U.S. has indebted herself to advancing than other nations in the military fleet program. The defense department accounts about $500billion + a year, about 1/7th that of China and Russia, do the math. Don't forget as well that U.S. has allies (obviously Europe and Asia, Japan and South Korea are bitter enemies to China and North Korea respectively, strong allies of the U.S.) and with NATO, anything is possible. I stand to be corrected on what I've written.
他们不会打起来的。好吧，我担心我亲爱的美国会为任何事打起来。他们不再为正义而战。请记住，美国对中国有更多的武器装备和技术优势，虽然中国有比美国更强的经济。此外，俄罗斯除了有核武器，他们还有什么？屁都没有！根据去年签署的削减核武器条约，他们都要减少2500核弹头，但是科技方面美国力压俄罗斯！俄罗斯还花费数百亿大修其整个军事舰队而美国为了实行建造比其他国家更先进舰队的计划已经负债累累了（求指点，感觉拗口）。国防部一年花了5000多亿，中国俄罗斯只有它七分之一，好好算算！更别忘了美国有盟友（显然欧洲和亚洲，日本和韩国分别是中国和朝鲜的死对头，而且是美国的铁杆盟友）。有个北约，没有不可能！ 我坚持我写的是对的。
hajifatyRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #19 on: August 09, 2011, 01:41 PM »
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It will be hard for US to attack China becos China also have one of the best military and China is a nuclear power. China has the technology to hit every american cities with nuclear weapon. China is totally different from powerless states like libya,iraq and afgan.
As US is a member of NATO and China is a member of SCO which include nuclear power Russia and their Motto is You attack One, You attack All.
The war could be the end of human race but Africa continent could be the last continent.
US dear not attack Iran take less of China. China has the technology to hit all the US satelites from the ground. therefore the US technology will be useless in the war with china.
美国打中国会很难因为中国也有世界最强的军事力量和核武器。中国有技术能用核武器打到每一个美国城市。中国和那些像利比亚伊拉克阿富汗这样的弱国不一样的。
像北约一样，中国是上合组织一员，它还包括俄罗斯。他们的口号是你打我们一个，就是打我们全家（意思这个= =） 这场战争会摧毁人类，只有非洲大陆会幸存。
美国不敢不管中国就打伊朗，中国有技术从地面攻击美国卫星，从而美国科技在中美战争中就会失效。
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #20 on: August 09, 2011, 01:46 PM »
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Leave everything you read on news paper, Think about it
Japan goes to war with China (two bitter enemies, and Japan is 10x more nuclear advanced than China)
South Korea vs North Korea (South commands more militarily advantage than the North)
Israel vs Iran
U.S. vs Russia
NATO nations against SCO,
Really, there's been hype that China is a threat but in reality it's all for hype sake. DoD isn't silly
If they go to war, it will crush China's economy and U.S. will be right were they started from. U.S. is China's largest trading partner, imagine how much losses they will have. They can only have so much before the bubble hits with 1billion + people. If they go to war, China will have a great economic impact, and you saying you attack one you attack all, do u think other nuclear powers in Europe will watch and sit back while Russia and China attack?
不管报纸上写些什么，咱好好想想。
日本打中国（两个死敌，而且日本核技术更先进）
朝鲜VS韩国
以色列VS伊朗
美国VS俄罗斯
北约VS上合
确实有炒作中国威胁论但是这都只是炒作。兄弟别傻了。
如果他们打起来了，只会摧毁中国经济，美国也会回到原始社会。美国是中国最大的贸易伙伴，想想看他们要损失多少。他们只有在泡沫袭击十亿百姓前才能获得这么多。如果打起来，中国经济会被强烈冲击。然后你说“打一个就是打全家”，你觉得中国和俄罗斯打过来的时候在欧洲的核武器会坐着看？
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #22 on: August 09, 2011, 02:09 PM »
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Quote from: hajifaty on August 09, 2011, 02:01 PM
this is not about hype or not. Your leaders in DC know all these. I don't ready nor listen to junk news as you guys in the US do. If I am not sure of any other things but I am 100% sure of both having the capacity of hitting each other satelites from the ground. Once US satelites are down then the war technologies are useless.
NATO and US can only go to war against powerless states.
Dude, I am no war strategist, I guess U.S. has a clue on what their doing. Their $500 billion budget of defense sure is going somewhere compared to 1/10th of that of China, but what I still maintain is in as long as China is involved, Japan (their bitter enemy, more advanced and more tech than them who has been seeking every opportunity to attack) WILL NOT let them free.
这和炒不炒作没关系，你们在华盛顿的头头对这都明白。我不想向你们这样去听那些垃圾新闻，我肯定的是两边都有打卫星的能力，美国卫星一掉科技就没用了。北约和美国只能欺负小国。
兄弟，我不是军事家，但我猜美国肯定明白他们在做什么。他们5000亿的国防预算肯定去哪里了，而中国只有十分之一。我依旧坚持的是只要中国参与了，日本（他们的死敌，比他们更先进，而且时时寻找机会攻击中国）不会让他们闲着的。
islamrules (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #23 on: August 09, 2011, 02:12 PM »
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this is not about hype or not. Your leaders in DC know all these. I don't ready nor listen to junk news as you guys in the US do. If I am not sure of any other things but I am 100% sure of both having the capacity of hitting each other satelites from the ground.
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Once US satelites are down then the war technologies are useless
Do you think American technology is a toy like china. America Military technology is more powerful than what you read on newspaper, blow up America satellite ? At this age of self-defence multi-stage satellites. Are you from 13th century ?
NATO and US can only go to war against powerless states.
Actually war wont pay both side. But China is going to suffer most because, it is like cat fighting a Lion, although they are both Cats.
The only country that can fight America is Britain/Germany/Russia. China is still a hyped kid.
你认为美国的技术是像中国这样一个的玩具。美国军事技术比你在报纸上读到更强大，炸毁美国卫星？这个时代的多级自卫卫星？你是从13世纪来的啊？
什么北约和美国只能欺负小国。实际上战争对两边都不好，但北京会损失更多。因为这就像猫和狮子打架，虽然他们都是猫科动物。唯一能和美国打得是英国，德国，俄国。中国还是个被炒作起来的小孩。
H-Star89 (f)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #24 on: August 09, 2011, 02:13 PM »
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Quote from: tushutt on August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM
and im sure china lacks that abi
China nor its allies have F22A fighter jets. They have numbers, thats it! U.S. forces strongest and most effective military in the history of man.
中国和他的盟友都没有F22 .他们只有数量！美国是历史上最强大最有效率的军事体。
islamrules (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #25 on: August 09, 2011, 02:35 PM »
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Forget about sentiment.
Economically:
China is poor, having 1trillion bonds in US economy doesnt mean. Go to china and see poverty at its peak and compare with US.
US is blessed with natural resources, if they decide not to import oil again. They already have oil reserve. Alaska is an untapped oil deposit.
In world ratings, it is US businesses that are leading in profit and cash. See Apple, google and others, there have never been any in china. When we are talking about Economic problem, we should think properly.
In military, china's military is the largest in terms of human resources, because china is over-populated. And war these days is not by population, it is by Technology. When it comes to defense and weaponry china is just a toddler. The only country that can deal a deadly blow on US is Russia.
By the way, China and US cant go to war. China is in dilemma of loosing. If they do not curb Iran excess, US will be forced to Wire Iran and China wont have access to Iran oil during a long war, and US will automatically have access to this oil. 2. If China support a trade ban on Iran, it means china is ban from doing business with Iran.
China and US are like tongue and teeth, they have to be friends even if they dont like each other.
别杞人忧天：
中国很穷，有一万亿债券不代表什么。去看看中国的最穷的地方然后再比比美国。
美国有上帝赐予的自然资源，如果他们不进口石油，他们也有石油储备。阿拉斯加就是未被开发的油田。
世界上美国公司是最赚钱的。看看苹果谷歌这些公司，中国都没有。当我们谈论经济问题时，我们要合适的思考。
军事上，中国有着数量最大的军事力量，因为中国人口过多了。现代战争不是拼人口。涉及国防武器时中国只是个学步的孩子。唯一对美国有致命威胁的是俄国。
顺便说一句，中国和美国打不起来。中国陷入失败的困境（原文loose，松动的困境？） 如果他们不制裁伊朗，美国就会被迫攻打伊朗（wire IRAN？求指点）这样中国在战争期间就会得不到伊朗的石油，美国在之后就会自动获得这些石油2。如果中国同意制裁伊朗，这意味着中国禁止与伊朗做生意。中国美国唇齿相依，他们必须做朋友虽然他们都不喜欢对方。
（虽然不好听，但是我觉得很中肯）
« #12 on: August 09, 2011, 02:22 AM »
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The U.S. has the technological advantage
美国有科技优势。
BeafRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #13 on: August 09, 2011, 10:58 AM »
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History has shown how such wars are fought. The US and USSR warred other through all sorts of proxy battles in places like Cuba, Afghanistan etc; you arm your allies to grapple and scrap, that way you avoid the nuclear button in an unwinnable war.
This time the battlefields will be countries with rich oil and mineral reserves.
历史证明了这场仗怎么打。美国和苏联在古巴，阿富汗这些地方进行代理人间的战争。你武装你的盟友让他们搏斗争吵，这样你就能避免无人能赢的核战争。
这次战争会在富含石油和矿藏的国家间。
tushutt (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #14 on: August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM »
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Quote from: H-Star89 on August 09, 2011, 02:22 AM
The U.S. has the technological advantage
and im sure china lacks that abi
美国有科技优势。
----而且我肯定中国没有！
el_cij (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #15 on: August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM »
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Quote from: Beaf on August 09, 2011, 10:58 AM
History has shown how such wars are fought. The US and USSR warred other through all sorts of proxy battles in places like Cuba, Afghanistan etc; you arm your allies to grapple and scrap, that way you avoid the nuclear button in an unwinnable war.
This time the battlefields will be countries with rich oil and mineral reserves.
such as Nigeria.
历史证明了这场仗怎么打。美国和苏联在古巴，阿富汗这些地方进行代理人间的战争。你武装你的盟友让他们搏斗争吵，这样你就能避免无人能赢的核战争。
这次战争会在富含石油和矿藏的国家间。
----就像尼日利亚
bossinieRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #16 on: August 09, 2011, 01:28 PM »
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Quote from: 9jaganja on August 08, 2011, 07:02 PM
China's economy depends on America a little , Little because the world is made in China so Americans aren't the only customers but they are very very good customers!!
The USA can not afford war right now, Though I doubt they won't go to war when the party of NO gets there. it doesn't seem likely that Obama will win next election!
We have another party of NO now, Teabag republicans: The party of Never!
It is highly detrimental for a debtor to go war against his creditor,let alone initiate that war.The US economy is fueled largely by credits from China,where do you think the US will borrow the just approved credit limit extension?Where do you think the man-power which drives most of the US major manufacturing companies come from? Well your guess is as good as mine,i believe this topic should just be commented on for humor sake,nothing more, inconceivable at this time!
债务人和债主的战争是很不利的，更别说挑起战争。美国经济很大程度上是靠中国购买国债来推动的，你觉得美国提高债务上限后会从那里借钱呢？你觉得推动美国主要的制造业的人力来自哪里？或许你的答案和我是一样的。我相信这个话题只是开开玩笑的，不为别的，因为这在现在是不可想象的！
bisiaetRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #17 on: August 09, 2011, 01:34 PM »
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Why would US attack China? No reason for such act.
为什么美国要打中国？没理由啊
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #18 on: August 09, 2011, 01:39 PM »
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They won't go to war, Well I doubt, my dear country U.S. will go to war for anything. Their wars are no longer justified. Keep in mind that U.S. has more weaponry and technological advantage over China though China has more economic standing than U.S. In addition, other than the nuclear weapons Russia has, what else have they, NOTHING. According to the START Treaty resigned last year that reduced nuclear warhead to 2,500 by both nations U.S. and Russia, technology wise, U.S. has better advantage over them. Russia is yet to spend tens of billions to overhaul its entire military fleet while U.S. has indebted herself to advancing than other nations in the military fleet program. The defense department accounts about $500billion + a year, about 1/7th that of China and Russia, do the math. Don't forget as well that U.S. has allies (obviously Europe and Asia, Japan and South Korea are bitter enemies to China and North Korea respectively, strong allies of the U.S.) and with NATO, anything is possible. I stand to be corrected on what I've written.
他们不会打起来的。好吧，我担心我亲爱的美国会为任何事打起来。他们不再为正义而战。请记住，美国对中国有更多的武器装备和技术优势，虽然中国有比美国更强的经济。此外，俄罗斯除了有核武器，他们还有什么？屁都没有！根据去年签署的削减核武器条约，他们都要减少2500核弹头，但是科技方面美国力压俄罗斯！俄罗斯还花费数百亿大修其整个军事舰队而美国为了实行建造比其他国家更先进舰队的计划已经负债累累了（求指点，感觉拗口）。国防部一年花了5000多亿，中国俄罗斯只有它七分之一，好好算算！更别忘了美国有盟友（显然欧洲和亚洲，日本和韩国分别是中国和朝鲜的死对头，而且是美国的铁杆盟友）。有个北约，没有不可能！ 我坚持我写的是对的。
hajifatyRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #19 on: August 09, 2011, 01:41 PM »
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It will be hard for US to attack China becos China also have one of the best military and China is a nuclear power. China has the technology to hit every american cities with nuclear weapon. China is totally different from powerless states like libya,iraq and afgan.
As US is a member of NATO and China is a member of SCO which include nuclear power Russia and their Motto is You attack One, You attack All.
The war could be the end of human race but Africa continent could be the last continent.
US dear not attack Iran take less of China. China has the technology to hit all the US satelites from the ground. therefore the US technology will be useless in the war with china.
美国打中国会很难因为中国也有世界最强的军事力量和核武器。中国有技术能用核武器打到每一个美国城市。中国和那些像利比亚伊拉克阿富汗这样的弱国不一样的。
像北约一样，中国是上合组织一员，它还包括俄罗斯。他们的口号是你打我们一个，就是打我们全家（意思这个= =） 这场战争会摧毁人类，只有非洲大陆会幸存。
美国不敢不管中国就打伊朗，中国有技术从地面攻击美国卫星，从而美国科技在中美战争中就会失效。
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #20 on: August 09, 2011, 01:46 PM »
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Leave everything you read on news paper, Think about it
Japan goes to war with China (two bitter enemies, and Japan is 10x more nuclear advanced than China)
South Korea vs North Korea (South commands more militarily advantage than the North)
Israel vs Iran
U.S. vs Russia
NATO nations against SCO,
Really, there's been hype that China is a threat but in reality it's all for hype sake. DoD isn't silly
If they go to war, it will crush China's economy and U.S. will be right were they started from. U.S. is China's largest trading partner, imagine how much losses they will have. They can only have so much before the bubble hits with 1billion + people. If they go to war, China will have a great economic impact, and you saying you attack one you attack all, do u think other nuclear powers in Europe will watch and sit back while Russia and China attack?
不管报纸上写些什么，咱好好想想。
日本打中国（两个死敌，而且日本核技术更先进）
朝鲜VS韩国
以色列VS伊朗
美国VS俄罗斯
北约VS上合
确实有炒作中国威胁论但是这都只是炒作。兄弟别傻了。
如果他们打起来了，只会摧毁中国经济，美国也会回到原始社会。美国是中国最大的贸易伙伴，想想看他们要损失多少。他们只有在泡沫袭击十亿百姓前才能获得这么多。如果打起来，中国经济会被强烈冲击。然后你说“打一个就是打全家”，你觉得中国和俄罗斯打过来的时候在欧洲的核武器会坐着看？
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #22 on: August 09, 2011, 02:09 PM »
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Quote from: hajifaty on August 09, 2011, 02:01 PM
this is not about hype or not. Your leaders in DC know all these. I don't ready nor listen to junk news as you guys in the US do. If I am not sure of any other things but I am 100% sure of both having the capacity of hitting each other satelites from the ground. Once US satelites are down then the war technologies are useless.
NATO and US can only go to war against powerless states.
Dude, I am no war strategist, I guess U.S. has a clue on what their doing. Their $500 billion budget of defense sure is going somewhere compared to 1/10th of that of China, but what I still maintain is in as long as China is involved, Japan (their bitter enemy, more advanced and more tech than them who has been seeking every opportunity to attack) WILL NOT let them free.
这和炒不炒作没关系，你们在华盛顿的头头对这都明白。我不想向你们这样去听那些垃圾新闻，我肯定的是两边都有打卫星的能力，美国卫星一掉科技就没用了。北约和美国只能欺负小国。
兄弟，我不是军事家，但我猜美国肯定明白他们在做什么。他们5000亿的国防预算肯定去哪里了，而中国只有十分之一。我依旧坚持的是只要中国参与了，日本（他们的死敌，比他们更先进，而且时时寻找机会攻击中国）不会让他们闲着的。
islamrules (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #23 on: August 09, 2011, 02:12 PM »
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this is not about hype or not. Your leaders in DC know all these. I don't ready nor listen to junk news as you guys in the US do. If I am not sure of any other things but I am 100% sure of both having the capacity of hitting each other satelites from the ground.
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Once US satelites are down then the war technologies are useless
Do you think American technology is a toy like china. America Military technology is more powerful than what you read on newspaper, blow up America satellite ? At this age of self-defence multi-stage satellites. Are you from 13th century ?
NATO and US can only go to war against powerless states.
Actually war wont pay both side. But China is going to suffer most because, it is like cat fighting a Lion, although they are both Cats.
The only country that can fight America is Britain/Germany/Russia. China is still a hyped kid.
你认为美国的技术是像中国这样一个的玩具。美国军事技术比你在报纸上读到更强大，炸毁美国卫星？这个时代的多级自卫卫星？你是从13世纪来的啊？
什么北约和美国只能欺负小国。实际上战争对两边都不好，但北京会损失更多。因为这就像猫和狮子打架，虽然他们都是猫科动物。唯一能和美国打得是英国，德国，俄国。中国还是个被炒作起来的小孩。
H-Star89 (f)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #24 on: August 09, 2011, 02:13 PM »
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Quote from: tushutt on August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM
and im sure china lacks that abi
China nor its allies have F22A fighter jets. They have numbers, thats it! U.S. forces strongest and most effective military in the history of man.
中国和他的盟友都没有F22 .他们只有数量！美国是历史上最强大最有效率的军事体。
islamrules (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #25 on: August 09, 2011, 02:35 PM »
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Forget about sentiment.
Economically:
China is poor, having 1trillion bonds in US economy doesnt mean. Go to china and see poverty at its peak and compare with US.
US is blessed with natural resources, if they decide not to import oil again. They already have oil reserve. Alaska is an untapped oil deposit.
In world ratings, it is US businesses that are leading in profit and cash. See Apple, google and others, there have never been any in china. When we are talking about Economic problem, we should think properly.
In military, china's military is the largest in terms of human resources, because china is over-populated. And war these days is not by population, it is by Technology. When it comes to defense and weaponry china is just a toddler. The only country that can deal a deadly blow on US is Russia.
By the way, China and US cant go to war. China is in dilemma of loosing. If they do not curb Iran excess, US will be forced to Wire Iran and China wont have access to Iran oil during a long war, and US will automatically have access to this oil. 2. If China support a trade ban on Iran, it means china is ban from doing business with Iran.
China and US are like tongue and teeth, they have to be friends even if they dont like each other.
别杞人忧天：
中国很穷，有一万亿债券不代表什么。去看看中国的最穷的地方然后再比比美国。
美国有上帝赐予的自然资源，如果他们不进口石油，他们也有石油储备。阿拉斯加就是未被开发的油田。
世界上美国公司是最赚钱的。看看苹果谷歌这些公司，中国都没有。当我们谈论经济问题时，我们要合适的思考。
军事上，中国有着数量最大的军事力量，因为中国人口过多了。现代战争不是拼人口。涉及国防武器时中国只是个学步的孩子。唯一对美国有致命威胁的是俄国。
顺便说一句，中国和美国打不起来。中国陷入失败的困境（原文loose，松动的困境？） 如果他们不制裁伊朗，美国就会被迫攻打伊朗（wire IRAN？求指点）这样中国在战争期间就会得不到伊朗的石油，美国在之后就会自动获得这些石油2。如果中国同意制裁伊朗，这意味着中国禁止与伊朗做生意。中国美国唇齿相依，他们必须做朋友虽然他们都不喜欢对方。
（虽然不好听，但是我觉得很中肯）
Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #26 on: August 09, 2011, 02:37 PM »
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No. No. There can be no war against China or Iran.
不，不，和中国或伊朗打不起来的。
juman (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #27 on: August 09, 2011, 02:42 PM »
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Quote from: el_cij on August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM
such as Nigeria.
You make me laugh a lot. Just forget it. Nigeria cannot be figthing war on another country's behalf. We are disjointed people. The country will just break up the second day of the war.
就像尼日利亚
----你笑死我了。忘了他吧。尼日利亚不会代表他国打仗的。我们人民离心离德，这个国家在战争第二天就会解体的。
BlackteethRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #28 on: August 09, 2011, 02:54 PM »
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America can not attack china like it did to iraq and libya except for national survival. China is currently ranked second in the world in military might above Russia, Britain, Germany and France. The cost of a U.S invasion of China will take a heavy toll on America which they don't wish for. China can hit U.S cities unlike libya and Iraq.
美国不能像打伊拉克伊朗那样打中国，除非为了国家生存。中国现在在世界上军力排名第二，可能高于俄国，英国，德国和法国。美国侵略中国将会付出他们想象不到的沉重代价。中国不像利比亚伊拉克，他们打得到美国的城市。
BetaThingsRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #29 on: August 09, 2011, 03:02 PM »
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They will not go to war
@Hajifaty.
China does not have the ability to hit USA everywhere
Japan has nuclear power, but focussed on electricity now
They are not likely to fight China - bitter enemies, but China is close and has ready nuclear weapons
USA is still more advanced than China militarily
China still needs years to catch up
Russia needs somebody to help it strike US off its perch, but it cannot do it alone, and there are no willing takers
An economic war will bruise China very badly - they have 1.3b to take care of
Western Europe will side with US to stop the ascendancy of China
中国打得到美国任何地方。
日本有核设施，但现在还是局限于发电。
他们不会打中国-虽然是死敌，但是中国太近还有核武器。
美国依旧在武器方面领先。中国仍需数年赶上。
俄国需要有人帮忙攻击美国才能取代美国的位子，但是不能单干。但是没人会上这个贼船。
经济战争会重挫中国，他们有13亿人要照顾而且西欧会站在美国那边来阻止中国的领先地位。
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #30 on: August 09, 2011, 03:08 PM »
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^^^
You're right, exactly what I'm trying to explain to him, China is no match for U.S., reports have it that they will take another 10years or more to catch up to U.S. in terms of economy i.e. if they run faster, militarily, it's not happening soon. The last thing China needs to something that will distablize it's growing economy. With issue of China, according to reports, while China is focused on Nuclear, Japan still remains that Nuclear power in Asia though they focused on electricity doesn't mean they aren't focused on Nuclear technology military fleet. China makes so much noise and tell the whole world about its achievement on the other side, Japan I don't think it does.
对的，你说了我想说的。中国不是美国的对手，报告说中国还需十年赶上美国的经济地位。也就是说，如果军事发展想更快，那经济就不会发展那么快了。所以一个劲的发展军事是中国最不想做的。对中国来说，根据报道，日本依旧保持核能力。局限于发电不代表他们没有致力于核动力军舰。中国整天嚷嚷取得的成绩，而另一边日本没有。
Quote from: Blackteeth on August 09, 2011, 02:54 PM
America can not attack china like it did to iraq and libya except for national survival. China is currently ranked second in the world in military might above Russia, Britain, Germany and France. The cost of a U.S invasion of China will take a heavy toll on America which they don't wish for. China can hit U.S cities unlike libya and Iraq.
That is a big LIE on the bold portion. China is the second largest economy NOT military POWER. Get your facts straight.
黑体画出来的是一个谎话（说中国第二大军事体）。中国是第二大经济体不是军事体。搞搞清楚。
islamrules (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #31 on: August 09, 2011, 03:12 PM »
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Quote
They will not go to war
@Hajifaty.
China does not have the ability to hit USA everywhere
Japan has nuclear power, but focussed on electricity now
They are not likely to fight China - bitter enemies, but China is close and has ready nuclear weapons
USA is still more advanced than China militarily
China still needs years to catch up
Russia needs somebody to help it strike US off its perch, but it cannot do it alone, and there are no willing takers
An economic war will bruise China very badly - they have 1.3b to take care of
Western Europe will side with US to stop the ascendancy of China
You understand, they cannot go to war. But, America may/will hit Iran. And there is nothing China can do.
America has edge over China. China is developing, they dont have modern war experience. America has developed, they are always at war.
China is only rated high because of its economic boom, and this economy boom is just a time bomb because nobody like China because of her piracy and fake product, cant even take up a country like France. Europe is powerful! Hope China wont fight America with fake nuclear missiles lol.
中国能打美国任何地方。。。
-----你明白中美打不起来，但是美国会打伊朗。而且中国无能为力。
美国力压中国。中国在发展，他们没有现代战争的经验。美国是发达国家，他们一直在打仗。
中国排名很高是因为他的经济飞速发展，而经济发展只是个定时炸弹因为没人喜欢中国的盗版和仿造品。这些甚至能摆满法国。欧洲很牛逼！希望中国不要用假核弹打美国！
« #26 on: August 09, 2011, 02:37 PM »
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No. No. There can be no war against China or Iran.
不，不，和中国或伊朗打不起来的。
juman (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #27 on: August 09, 2011, 02:42 PM »
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Quote from: el_cij on August 09, 2011, 01:27 PM
such as Nigeria.
You make me laugh a lot. Just forget it. Nigeria cannot be figthing war on another country's behalf. We are disjointed people. The country will just break up the second day of the war.
就像尼日利亚
----你笑死我了。忘了他吧。尼日利亚不会代表他国打仗的。我们人民离心离德，这个国家在战争第二天就会解体的。
BlackteethRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #28 on: August 09, 2011, 02:54 PM »
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America can not attack china like it did to iraq and libya except for national survival. China is currently ranked second in the world in military might above Russia, Britain, Germany and France. The cost of a U.S invasion of China will take a heavy toll on America which they don't wish for. China can hit U.S cities unlike libya and Iraq.
美国不能像打伊拉克伊朗那样打中国，除非为了国家生存。中国现在在世界上军力排名第二，可能高于俄国，英国，德国和法国。美国侵略中国将会付出他们想象不到的沉重代价。中国不像利比亚伊拉克，他们打得到美国的城市。
BetaThingsRe: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #29 on: August 09, 2011, 03:02 PM »
________________________________________
They will not go to war
@Hajifaty.
China does not have the ability to hit USA everywhere
Japan has nuclear power, but focussed on electricity now
They are not likely to fight China - bitter enemies, but China is close and has ready nuclear weapons
USA is still more advanced than China militarily
China still needs years to catch up
Russia needs somebody to help it strike US off its perch, but it cannot do it alone, and there are no willing takers
An economic war will bruise China very badly - they have 1.3b to take care of
Western Europe will side with US to stop the ascendancy of China
中国打得到美国任何地方。
日本有核设施，但现在还是局限于发电。
他们不会打中国-虽然是死敌，但是中国太近还有核武器。
美国依旧在武器方面领先。中国仍需数年赶上。
俄国需要有人帮忙攻击美国才能取代美国的位子，但是不能单干。但是没人会上这个贼船。
经济战争会重挫中国，他们有13亿人要照顾而且西欧会站在美国那边来阻止中国的领先地位。
manny4life (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #30 on: August 09, 2011, 03:08 PM »
________________________________________
^^^
You're right, exactly what I'm trying to explain to him, China is no match for U.S., reports have it that they will take another 10years or more to catch up to U.S. in terms of economy i.e. if they run faster, militarily, it's not happening soon. The last thing China needs to something that will distablize it's growing economy. With issue of China, according to reports, while China is focused on Nuclear, Japan still remains that Nuclear power in Asia though they focused on electricity doesn't mean they aren't focused on Nuclear technology military fleet. China makes so much noise and tell the whole world about its achievement on the other side, Japan I don't think it does.
对的，你说了我想说的。中国不是美国的对手，报告说中国还需十年赶上美国的经济地位。也就是说，如果军事发展想更快，那经济就不会发展那么快了。所以一个劲的发展军事是中国最不想做的。对中国来说，根据报道，日本依旧保持核能力。局限于发电不代表他们没有致力于核动力军舰。中国整天嚷嚷取得的成绩，而另一边日本没有。
Quote from: Blackteeth on August 09, 2011, 02:54 PM
America can not attack china like it did to iraq and libya except for national survival. China is currently ranked second in the world in military might above Russia, Britain, Germany and France. The cost of a U.S invasion of China will take a heavy toll on America which they don't wish for. China can hit U.S cities unlike libya and Iraq.
That is a big LIE on the bold portion. China is the second largest economy NOT military POWER. Get your facts straight.
黑体画出来的是一个谎话（说中国第二大军事体）。中国是第二大经济体不是军事体。搞搞清楚。
islamrules (m)Re: Will Usa Go To War With China To End Its Economic Decline?
« #31 on: August 09, 2011, 03:12 PM »
________________________________________
Quote
They will not go to war
@Hajifaty.
China does not have the ability to hit USA everywhere
Japan has nuclear power, but focussed on electricity now
They are not likely to fight China - bitter enemies, but China is close and has ready nuclear weapons
USA is still more advanced than China militarily
China still needs years to catch up
Russia needs somebody to help it strike US off its perch, but it cannot do it alone, and there are no willing takers
An economic war will bruise China very badly - they have 1.3b to take care of
Western Europe will side with US to stop the ascendancy of China
You understand, they cannot go to war. But, America may/will hit Iran. And there is nothing China can do.
America has edge over China. China is developing, they dont have modern war experience. America has developed, they are always at war.
China is only rated high because of its economic boom, and this economy boom is just a time bomb because nobody like China because of her piracy and fake product, cant even take up a country like France. Europe is powerful! Hope China wont fight America with fake nuclear missiles lol.
中国能打美国任何地方。。。
-----你明白中美打不起来，但是美国会打伊朗。而且中国无能为力。
美国力压中国。中国在发展，他们没有现代战争的经验。美国是发达国家，他们一直在打仗。
中国排名很高是因为他的经济飞速发展，而经济发展只是个定时炸弹因为没人喜欢中国的盗版和仿造品。这些甚至能摆满法国。欧洲很牛逼！希望中国不要用假核弹打美国！
99%已经穷的想自杀了。。。亲，想死的快就赶紧来。来晚了爷都过了兵役最大年龄了。
打仗就是打钱，没钱怎么打仗。
中国必须力保伊朗，让美国制裁失效。逼美国硬打伊朗。
這樣的攻擊對大家都沒有好處
中东炸没了，谁还用美元计价？
问题MD能确定攻击咱们就一定能抑制金融衰退？而不是两败俱伤
中国对西方的意义在于高素质的廉价劳力和商品，直接攻击我国对他们没有好处，西方的小算盘就是通过不断的金融战迫使以中国为首的发展中国家稳定停留在这个初级制造阶段，而又懒又笨的诸如阿拉伯国家等等，其意义只是油桶而已，所以炸烂打散随便玩，反正那油是不会跑路的
打仗就是打钱？
我真不敢苟同。
我真不敢苟同。
字面意思就是茶包(袋泡茶包)。这里的引申意思就是，把XX(敏感词屏蔽)放入同性男人的嘴巴之中，也能说明他的性取向
真正开打时还有曰本吗………
justice02 发表于 2012-1-13 15:43 ![]()
打仗就是打钱？
我真不敢苟同。
打仗就是打实体经济，打钱打后勤。 虚拟经济打个毛
打仗就是打钱？
我真不敢苟同。
打仗就是打实体经济，打钱打后勤。 虚拟经济打个毛
不想当老二也不用和TB开战萨，那样的话连第三都保不住。
咋办 发表于 2012-1-13 14:26 ![]()
亲，想死的快就赶紧来。来晚了爷都过了兵役最大年龄了。
你可以直接报名当将军嘛，那个年龄上限高得多。不然咋办？:D
亲，想死的快就赶紧来。来晚了爷都过了兵役最大年龄了。
你可以直接报名当将军嘛，那个年龄上限高得多。不然咋办？:D
楼猪又来了，整天YY这些东西，你还是多花点时间学习吧，别耽误了学业