中国潜艇跟踪美国航母编队,接近里根号

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据华盛顿灯塔报,比尔戈茨报道

时间:10月24日左右,地点:日本南部,在俄国飞机骚扰之前

潜艇型号和类型未公布,但话里像是核攻击潜艇,事件的详情也没公布,但说和2006年宋级惊吓小鹰级很相似。

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-submarine-stalked-us-aircraft-carrier/


Chinese Submarine Stalked U.S. Aircraft Carrier
Attack submarine sailed near USS Reagan south of Japan

BY: Bill Gertz

November 3, 2015 5:00 am

A Chinese attack submarine stalked the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan near Japan last month in the closest encounter between a carrier and a People’s Liberation Army Navy submarine since 2006, according to American defense officials.

The Chinese submarine sailed very close to the Reagan during the weekend of Oct. 24, said defense officials familiar with reports of the incident.

The incident occurred as the Reagan sailed from its home port to the Sea of Japan around the southern end of Japan.

Days later, in the Sea of Japan, the Reagan was targeted for a close flyby by two Russian Tu-142 bombers that flew within a mile of the ship at an altitude of 500 feet. U.S. Navy jets were scrambled to escort the bombers away from the carrier group.

The submarine encounter also occurred days before the USS Lassen, a guided missile destroyer, carried out a freedom of navigation operation in the South China Sea.

The Lassen’s passage within 12 miles of a disputed island in the South China Sea on Oct. 26 was fiercely denounced by the Chinese government. Chinese spokesmen, both military and civilian, said the passage was a violation of Beijing’s territorial sovereignty, a claim rejected by the United States, which said the ship was sailing in international waters.

Disclosure of the Chinese submarine encounter comes as Adm. Harry Harris is visiting China for the first time as the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific.

Pacific Fleet and Pacific Command spokesmen declined to comment on the submarine encounter but did not deny that the incident occurred.

Additional details of the encounter—such as the type of submarine involved, whether it surfaced or remained submerged, and how close it came to the ship—could not be learned.

The nuclear-powered carrier is a symbol of U.S. power projection capabilities. China’s military has been attempting to drive the U.S. military out of Asia as part of efforts to assume the sole leadership role in the region.

One defense official said the detection of the submarine set off alarm bells on the Reagan, although it could not be learned whether anti-submarine warfare aircraft were launched to locate and track the vessel.

Other defense officials said the Reagan’s recent submarine encounter appeared similar to China’s stalking of the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk in 2006.

During that incident, a Song-class attack submarine surfaced undetected within torpedo range of the Kitty Hawk on Oct. 26, 2006—nearly nine years to the day of the recent Reagan encounter.

The 2006 incident also was disclosed during the visit to China by Adm. Gary Roughead, then-commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

China is known to use its military forces to send political messages and it appears that the Reagan incident also was timed to the expected navigation operation in the South China Sea and to Harris’ visit.

Harris has been a forceful advocate within the military for challenging China’s claims to vast areas of the South China Sea. He told a Senate hearing in September that “the South China Sea is no more China’s than the Gulf of Mexico is Mexico’s.”

Harris visited U.S. troops in South Korea over the weekend and took part in the annual U.S.-South Korea Military Committee Meeting and Security Consultative Meeting in Seoul.

On Monday, Harris traveled to Beijing for a three-day visit and talks with Chinese military leaders. He was scheduled to speak at Peking University on Monday.

“Sustained military-to-military dialogue between the U.S. and China is designed to maximize cooperation on areas of mutual interest while candidly addressing and managing disagreements,” the Pacific Command statement said.

Harris’ last visit to China took place in April 2014 when he took part in talks with the Chinese military on a Code of Unplanned Encounters at Sea in Qingdao, China. The code, which covers submarine-ship encounters, was approved in 2014.

It is not known whether the Chinese submarine followed safety guidelines outlined in the code during the Reagan encounter. The code is designed to prevent collisions at sea.

The Reagan and four other warships were on the way to conduct joint naval exercises with South Korean naval forces at the time of the Chinese submarine stalking.

The exercises were held Oct. 26 to Oct. 29 in waters around the southern end of the Korean peninsula. The carrier arrived Friday in Busan, South Korea, for a port call.

Accompanying the Reagan are the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Chancellorsville and the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers USS Fitzgerald and USS Mustin.

A Pacific Command statement issued Saturday said the Reagan is one of two carrier groups operating in the region. The second is the USS Roosevelt, which departed Singapore Oct. 28 on its way to San Diego.

The Reagan was “operating off the east coast of the Korean peninsula conducting routine bilateral training with the Republic of Korea navy,” the command statement said, adding that anti-submarine warfare training was part of the exercises.

“The U.S. routinely conducts carrier strike group operations in the waters around the Republic of Korea to exercise maritime maneuvers, strengthen the U.S.-ROK alliance, and improve regional security,” the statement said.

“The U.S. Navy maintains a presence in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region to help preserve peace and security and further our partnerships with friends and allies,” said Rear Adm. John Alexander, the Reagan’s commander. “Our forward presence contributes to freedom of navigation and lawful use of the sea, as well as furthers operational training and enables an exchange of culture, skills, and tactical knowledge.”

Rick Fisher, a Chinese military affairs analyst, said China’s willingness to use submarines to harass U.S. large warship demonstrates that the Navy needs more submarines for escort missions.

It also highlights the need for additional U.S. attack submarines as Los Angeles-class submarines are retired and are not replaced quickly enough by newer Virginia-class vessels.

“The importance of our aircraft carriers was just demonstrated in the South China Sea,” said Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

“While most press attention focused on the freedom of navigation exercise of the destroyer USS Lassen, the larger story was the fact that the destroyer was covered by the presence of the aircraft carrier USS Roosevelt,” he added. “The carrier was deployed to ensure that China was deterred from attacking or substantially harassing the destroyer.”

Fisher said that he expects China’s attack submarine fleet to begin increasing in size.

“The PLA may build up to 14 of their third-generation Type 095 SSN, which might add up to a total SSN fleet of about 20,” he said, using the military designation for attack submarine.

“Inasmuch as the U.S. may only be able to spare about 30 SSNs for its Pacific-based forces, this could greatly stress the U.S. submarine fleet absent new construction,” he added.

A fleet of 30 attack submarines may limit continuous deployment of submarines to around 10, given the need for maintenance and for crew rotations.

Chinese state-run media and military commentators have denounced the deployment of the Reagan, which replaced the carrier group led by the USS George Washington.
“The United States intends to strengthen its military superiority in order to frighten the neighboring countries of the disputed region, such as China, [North Korea], and Russia,” retired Chinese Rear Adm. Yin Zhuo told state television in September.据华盛顿灯塔报,比尔戈茨报道

时间:10月24日左右,地点:日本南部,在俄国飞机骚扰之前

潜艇型号和类型未公布,但话里像是核攻击潜艇,事件的详情也没公布,但说和2006年宋级惊吓小鹰级很相似。

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-submarine-stalked-us-aircraft-carrier/


Chinese Submarine Stalked U.S. Aircraft Carrier
Attack submarine sailed near USS Reagan south of Japan

BY: Bill Gertz

November 3, 2015 5:00 am

A Chinese attack submarine stalked the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan near Japan last month in the closest encounter between a carrier and a People’s Liberation Army Navy submarine since 2006, according to American defense officials.

The Chinese submarine sailed very close to the Reagan during the weekend of Oct. 24, said defense officials familiar with reports of the incident.

The incident occurred as the Reagan sailed from its home port to the Sea of Japan around the southern end of Japan.

Days later, in the Sea of Japan, the Reagan was targeted for a close flyby by two Russian Tu-142 bombers that flew within a mile of the ship at an altitude of 500 feet. U.S. Navy jets were scrambled to escort the bombers away from the carrier group.

The submarine encounter also occurred days before the USS Lassen, a guided missile destroyer, carried out a freedom of navigation operation in the South China Sea.

The Lassen’s passage within 12 miles of a disputed island in the South China Sea on Oct. 26 was fiercely denounced by the Chinese government. Chinese spokesmen, both military and civilian, said the passage was a violation of Beijing’s territorial sovereignty, a claim rejected by the United States, which said the ship was sailing in international waters.

Disclosure of the Chinese submarine encounter comes as Adm. Harry Harris is visiting China for the first time as the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific.

Pacific Fleet and Pacific Command spokesmen declined to comment on the submarine encounter but did not deny that the incident occurred.

Additional details of the encounter—such as the type of submarine involved, whether it surfaced or remained submerged, and how close it came to the ship—could not be learned.

The nuclear-powered carrier is a symbol of U.S. power projection capabilities. China’s military has been attempting to drive the U.S. military out of Asia as part of efforts to assume the sole leadership role in the region.

One defense official said the detection of the submarine set off alarm bells on the Reagan, although it could not be learned whether anti-submarine warfare aircraft were launched to locate and track the vessel.

Other defense officials said the Reagan’s recent submarine encounter appeared similar to China’s stalking of the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk in 2006.

During that incident, a Song-class attack submarine surfaced undetected within torpedo range of the Kitty Hawk on Oct. 26, 2006—nearly nine years to the day of the recent Reagan encounter.

The 2006 incident also was disclosed during the visit to China by Adm. Gary Roughead, then-commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

China is known to use its military forces to send political messages and it appears that the Reagan incident also was timed to the expected navigation operation in the South China Sea and to Harris’ visit.

Harris has been a forceful advocate within the military for challenging China’s claims to vast areas of the South China Sea. He told a Senate hearing in September that “the South China Sea is no more China’s than the Gulf of Mexico is Mexico’s.”

Harris visited U.S. troops in South Korea over the weekend and took part in the annual U.S.-South Korea Military Committee Meeting and Security Consultative Meeting in Seoul.

On Monday, Harris traveled to Beijing for a three-day visit and talks with Chinese military leaders. He was scheduled to speak at Peking University on Monday.

“Sustained military-to-military dialogue between the U.S. and China is designed to maximize cooperation on areas of mutual interest while candidly addressing and managing disagreements,” the Pacific Command statement said.

Harris’ last visit to China took place in April 2014 when he took part in talks with the Chinese military on a Code of Unplanned Encounters at Sea in Qingdao, China. The code, which covers submarine-ship encounters, was approved in 2014.

It is not known whether the Chinese submarine followed safety guidelines outlined in the code during the Reagan encounter. The code is designed to prevent collisions at sea.

The Reagan and four other warships were on the way to conduct joint naval exercises with South Korean naval forces at the time of the Chinese submarine stalking.

The exercises were held Oct. 26 to Oct. 29 in waters around the southern end of the Korean peninsula. The carrier arrived Friday in Busan, South Korea, for a port call.

Accompanying the Reagan are the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Chancellorsville and the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers USS Fitzgerald and USS Mustin.

A Pacific Command statement issued Saturday said the Reagan is one of two carrier groups operating in the region. The second is the USS Roosevelt, which departed Singapore Oct. 28 on its way to San Diego.

The Reagan was “operating off the east coast of the Korean peninsula conducting routine bilateral training with the Republic of Korea navy,” the command statement said, adding that anti-submarine warfare training was part of the exercises.

“The U.S. routinely conducts carrier strike group operations in the waters around the Republic of Korea to exercise maritime maneuvers, strengthen the U.S.-ROK alliance, and improve regional security,” the statement said.

“The U.S. Navy maintains a presence in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region to help preserve peace and security and further our partnerships with friends and allies,” said Rear Adm. John Alexander, the Reagan’s commander. “Our forward presence contributes to freedom of navigation and lawful use of the sea, as well as furthers operational training and enables an exchange of culture, skills, and tactical knowledge.”

Rick Fisher, a Chinese military affairs analyst, said China’s willingness to use submarines to harass U.S. large warship demonstrates that the Navy needs more submarines for escort missions.

It also highlights the need for additional U.S. attack submarines as Los Angeles-class submarines are retired and are not replaced quickly enough by newer Virginia-class vessels.

“The importance of our aircraft carriers was just demonstrated in the South China Sea,” said Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center.

“While most press attention focused on the freedom of navigation exercise of the destroyer USS Lassen, the larger story was the fact that the destroyer was covered by the presence of the aircraft carrier USS Roosevelt,” he added. “The carrier was deployed to ensure that China was deterred from attacking or substantially harassing the destroyer.”

Fisher said that he expects China’s attack submarine fleet to begin increasing in size.

“The PLA may build up to 14 of their third-generation Type 095 SSN, which might add up to a total SSN fleet of about 20,” he said, using the military designation for attack submarine.

“Inasmuch as the U.S. may only be able to spare about 30 SSNs for its Pacific-based forces, this could greatly stress the U.S. submarine fleet absent new construction,” he added.

A fleet of 30 attack submarines may limit continuous deployment of submarines to around 10, given the need for maintenance and for crew rotations.

Chinese state-run media and military commentators have denounced the deployment of the Reagan, which replaced the carrier group led by the USS George Washington.
“The United States intends to strengthen its military superiority in order to frighten the neighboring countries of the disputed region, such as China, [North Korea], and Russia,” retired Chinese Rear Adm. Yin Zhuo told state television in September.
正常啊,整天在别人家门口转,别人不看着才怪,以后只会越来越多,除非霉畜滚回去。
鸟文看不懂
一路西西哈哈 发表于 2015-11-4 08:35
鸟文看不懂
这是高中水平的鸟文吧,都不需要什么英语四级。


上有大毛飞机通厂,下有tg核潜围观,鹰酱你丫的出场费还挺高

上有大毛飞机通厂,下有tg核潜围观,鹰酱你丫的出场费还挺高
双方演戏演戏罢了,毕竟多少大陆高层儿女孙在霉国当人质质押,范大将军底气不足是有原因的。前几天央视国际 ...
所谓人质一说虽然吸引眼球,实际最无聊。人家捏着你国家的睾丸比某几个所谓高层的人质有用牢靠的多,国人往外跑,有点条件的中上阶层都一个德性,人家才不稀罕寄希望拿这个威胁你,你裸不裸子女走不走,本质上还是你自己的问题,人家才不稀罕。
只不过别的问题一两句难说,而拎出这个说法,对国内中下层百姓感官刺激比较明显罢了。很多人都有试图在复杂问题中找到简单终极答案的毛病,并且觉得越简单越正确,所以这类观点很有市场。
这是高中水平的鸟文吧,都不需要什么英语四级。
鸟文懒得看
所谓人质一说虽然吸引眼球,实际最无聊。人家捏着你国家的睾丸比某几个所谓高层的人质有用牢靠的多,国人 ...

80年代邓领导下开始大批高干儿女孙都出去了是心血来潮?我看也不是那么简单吧。呆湾,国际贸易,人质都是欧美可以打的牌嘛,欧美当然是希望能打的牌越多越好啊。
与五角大楼关系密切的《华盛顿自由灯塔报》3日报道,美国海军官员爆料称10月24日一艘中国潜艇“靠近”了正在日本海航行的“里根”号核动力航母,一度导致美舰拉响战斗警报。不过,目前尚不清楚这艘靠近的潜艇是什么型号,也不知道双方后续是否发生对抗。美媒称,中国可能将核潜艇舰队数量扩大到20艘以上,届时将形成对美国在亚太地区核潜艇兵力的局部优势。

中国海军093型攻击核潜艇
美国《华盛顿自由灯塔报》记者比尔·格茨11月3日发表的文章称,一位美国国防部官员透露,1艘中国攻击型潜艇上月底追踪了在日本附近航行的美国海军“罗纳德·里根”号核动力航母,这是中国海军潜艇2006年以来首次与美国航母近距离遭遇。
据接触到此次事件报告的官员表示,这艘中国潜艇在10月24日周末这天与“里根”号“十分接近”。
这一事件发生在里根号航母离开其位于日本最南端母港的过程中(横须贺港)。
此前几天,“里根”号航母刚刚与俄罗斯图-142反潜巡逻机发生近距离接触,当时俄国飞机接近到距离航母500英尺之内。
在这次遭遇2天后,美国“拉森”号导弹驱逐舰在南海进行了“航行自由巡逻”。中国军方和民间的发言人都声称这一事件挑衅了中国主权。
而五角大楼官员透露这一消息则恰好在太平洋司令哈里·哈里斯访问中国期间。
太平洋舰队和太平洋司令部都拒绝评论这次接触事件,但不否认发生了这样的事件。

里根号核动力航母
这次接触事件的详细细节——例如涉事潜艇型号,是否上浮,或者它距离航母的距离——目前暂时无法获知。
一位国防部军官称,发现潜艇后,“里根”号拉响了战斗警报。但是现在无法知道随后里根号是否派遣了反潜飞机来追踪这艘潜艇。
另一位官员认为,这次事件类似于中国潜艇2006年追踪美国海军“小鹰”号航母事件。
那次事件也是发生在美国太平洋舰队司令访问中国期间,这似乎是北京的一种谈判策略。
现在也不清楚这次相遇事件中,中国潜艇是否遵循了中美安全准则,这一准则是为了避免双方海上相遇时发生危险。
在事件发生时,“里根”号等四艘美舰正在前往预定海域准备与韩国共同进行演习。
与“里根”同行的战舰包括:“提康德罗加”级导弹巡洋舰“钱瑟威尔”号,“阿利伯克”级导弹驱逐舰“菲茨格拉德”号和“马斯丁”号。
美国太平洋司令部周六发表的声明称,除了“里根”号外,目前在这一地区还有一艘航母,就是10月28日离开新加坡,前往圣迭戈的“罗斯福”号。
中国问题专家里克·费舍尔说,中国潜艇骚扰美国大行舰艇表明美国有必要增加潜艇护航行动,同时也表明美国“弗吉尼亚”级核潜艇替换“洛杉矶”的工作必须大大加快。
他说“南海最近的事件已经充分说明了美国航空母舰的重要性。大部分媒体关注‘拉森’号驱逐舰的时候,中国方面真正在意的消息却是该舰处于‘罗斯福’号航母提供的掩护之下。”他说“这艘航母被部署到那里,是为了威慑中国,避免他们对这艘驱逐舰采取攻击或者骚扰行动。”
费舍尔说,他认为中国海军将大大扩充潜艇兵力。

国内网络流传的某种潜艇模型照片,其部分特征接近美国“弗吉尼亚”级或“海狼”级,被认为可能是095型潜艇的方案模型

美国“弗吉尼亚”级核潜艇
“中国海军可能建造14艘他们的095型第三代攻击型核潜艇,其攻击型核潜艇数量将增加到20艘,”他说。
“相比之下,美国在太平洋方向最多部署30艘潜艇,这将让美国潜艇面临巨大的压力。”因为维护和乘员轮换的需要,这其中只有10艘能随时部署到前沿。
这事儿将来会越来越多
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:00
80年代邓领导下开始大批高干儿女孙都出去了是心血来潮?我看也不是那么简单吧。呆湾,国际贸易,人质都 ...
不出去难道留在国内当红N代官N代吗?
不出去难道留在国内当红N代官N代吗?
出去后再回来也还是N代吧,比如某县长?
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:15
出去后再回来也还是N代吧,比如某县长?
出去以后再回来从政的毕竟是极少数,大部分人都跟国内政坛无关了。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:15
出去后再回来也还是N代吧,比如某县长?
这酸爽,你也投入滋油皿煮的怀抱得了。
楼主标题怎么是中文啊?
出去以后再回来从政的毕竟是极少数,大部分人都跟国内政坛无关了。
利益集团不是非要从政嘛,没看多少国际财团和大企业养了多少二代人脉。回来继续发挥人质作用嘛。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:24
利益集团不是非要从政嘛,没看多少国际财团和大企业养了多少二代人脉。回来继续发挥人质作用嘛。
中国官场的惯例是人走茶凉,只要后人不从政了,就没有办法继续享受政治红利。这样就可以有效避免官N代对国内政治的垄断,总体来说对国家发展利大于弊。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:24
利益集团不是非要从政嘛,没看多少国际财团和大企业养了多少二代人脉。回来继续发挥人质作用嘛。
而且是不是人质跟这些人在不在国外没有任何直接关系。比如日本台湾,不管他们的官员后代身在哪个国家,日本台湾也不敢对美国说半个不字。
而且是不是人质跟这些人在不在国外没有任何直接关系。比如日本台湾,不管他们的官员后代身在哪个国家,日 ...
那是因为日萎呆湾受霉国保护啊,不是驻军就是呆湾关系法。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:42
那是因为日萎呆湾受霉国保护啊,不是驻军就是呆湾关系法。
东欧国家当年还都受毛子驻军保护呢,为什么个个都造毛子的反?
东欧国家当年还都受毛子驻军保护呢,为什么个个都造毛子的反?
因为毛子倒台了啊,霉国霉菌倒台了没有?

黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:00
80年代邓领导下开始大批高干儿女孙都出去了是心血来潮?我看也不是那么简单吧。呆湾,国际贸易,人质都 ...


当然不是心血来潮,80年代以来出国潮的本质是中国人自己的问题,这个问题最能刺激中下阶层“我有钱我也移民”、“有钱有权的人都走了”,但归结到底只是现象,而不是背后的本质问题。作为美国,拿你们流水宫斗领导人的子女作文章,没有直接拿你国家睾丸作文章的意义大。过去拿公子为质可以说动摇国本谁都好不了,现在呢?对不起领导人都可以滚蛋的时代他的个人问题不能左右全体统治阶层利益。但是对于普通百姓,“领导人子女跑啦”是比晦涩的政治经济问题更直观更刺激的东西。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:00
80年代邓领导下开始大批高干儿女孙都出去了是心血来潮?我看也不是那么简单吧。呆湾,国际贸易,人质都 ...


当然不是心血来潮,80年代以来出国潮的本质是中国人自己的问题,这个问题最能刺激中下阶层“我有钱我也移民”、“有钱有权的人都走了”,但归结到底只是现象,而不是背后的本质问题。作为美国,拿你们流水宫斗领导人的子女作文章,没有直接拿你国家睾丸作文章的意义大。过去拿公子为质可以说动摇国本谁都好不了,现在呢?对不起领导人都可以滚蛋的时代他的个人问题不能左右全体统治阶层利益。但是对于普通百姓,“领导人子女跑啦”是比晦涩的政治经济问题更直观更刺激的东西。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 09:51
因为毛子倒台了啊,霉国霉菌倒台了没有?
毛子没有倒台的时候也在反啊,80年代末东欧国家基本全部反水成功,迫使毛子退出驻军,91年毛子才倒台。
当然不是心血来潮,80年代以来出国潮的本质是中国人自己的问题,这个问题最能刺激中下阶层“我有钱我也 ...
所以说嘛,根子是自己,怕被对方打断发展进程,一厢情愿的主动送人质希望对方不要打断自己发展进程,最好情况是双方能一起发财。就和这次范大将军一样,一个望字暴露一切。人家只是经常不领情而已,反过来时常来捏捏睾丸。
muxingyu123 发表于 2015-11-4 08:38
这是高中水平的鸟文吧,都不需要什么英语四级。
赌一包辣条,你随便去哪所高校拉一个高中生,让他翻译,不查字典不外援的情况下,保证不能翻译出来。
毛子没有倒台的时候也在反啊,80年代末东欧国家基本全部反水成功,迫使毛子退出驻军,91年毛子才倒台。
因为当时东欧已经看出毛子穷途末路快倒台了,苏联自己戈地图都已经新思维开始亲欧美了。

黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:02
所以说嘛,根子是自己,怕被对方打断发展进程,一厢情愿的主动送人质希望对方不要打断自己发展进程,最好 ...


说得好像没有这种情况就能和美国干起来而且能干过一样。中美军事差距在80年代开始比朝鲜战争时期还要巨大,朝鲜战争说到底还是二战水平。如果朝鲜战争时期美国就进入现代战争的门槛抗美援朝还真不一定打的起来而且多半打不回38线。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:02
所以说嘛,根子是自己,怕被对方打断发展进程,一厢情愿的主动送人质希望对方不要打断自己发展进程,最好 ...


说得好像没有这种情况就能和美国干起来而且能干过一样。中美军事差距在80年代开始比朝鲜战争时期还要巨大,朝鲜战争说到底还是二战水平。如果朝鲜战争时期美国就进入现代战争的门槛抗美援朝还真不一定打的起来而且多半打不回38线。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:04
因为当时东欧已经看出毛子穷途末路快倒台了,苏联自己戈地图都已经新思维开始亲欧美了。
毛子强大的时候照样反,波兰的波兹南事件,匈牙利的十月事件,捷克斯洛伐克的布拉格之春。。。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:02
所以说嘛,根子是自己,怕被对方打断发展进程,一厢情愿的主动送人质希望对方不要打断自己发展进程,最好 ...
事实就是美帝距离中国的核心区域越来越远,从以前可以随意进出中国大陆沿海的领空领海,到现在只能在几千公里以外的南沙打打擦边球。从以前动不动就直接封锁台湾海峡,到现在亚太驻军主力退守第二岛链。
双方演戏演戏罢了,毕竟多少大陆高层儿女孙在霉国当人质质押,范大将军底气不足是有原因的。前几天央视国际 ...
奥巴马的弟弟也在天朝生活呢,还娶了位中国媳妇。照你这么说人家不是更底气不足了?
所以说嘛,根子是自己,怕被对方打断发展进程,一厢情愿的主动送人质希望对方不要打断自己发展进程,最好 ...
原来天朝之前军舰跑人家阿拉斯加去看望奥观海不是捏人家睾丸啊,导弹雷达一锁定开火人家就危险了
毛子强大的时候照样反,波兰的波兹南事件,匈牙利的十月事件,捷克斯洛伐克的布拉格之春。。。
那只说明了毛子治理和御下笼络术法不行,习惯了大国沙文主义粗暴解决。而霉国和北约治理更有章法。
青色的雪 发表于 2015-11-4 08:50
所谓人质一说虽然吸引眼球,实际最无聊。人家捏着你国家的睾丸比某几个所谓高层的人质有用牢靠的多,国人 ...
精英阶层的行为往往有一个风向标的作用,平民都抬头看着精英呢。。。。
原来天朝之前军舰跑人家阿拉斯加去看望奥观海不是捏人家睾丸啊,导弹雷达一锁定开火人家就危险了
注意那是国际海峡,还有捏睾丸频率。大陆难得去一次。霉菌随时在东海黄海南海。

qiaoxuan11 发表于 2015-11-4 10:12
事实就是美帝距离中国的核心区域越来越远,从以前可以随意进出中国大陆沿海的领空领海,到现在只能在几千 ...


不只几千公里外的南海,东海黄海都随时进防空识别区比如上次B52,P8AP3C随意进200海里大陆主张经济专属区上空。实际上抵近侦查几乎每天都在发生。
qiaoxuan11 发表于 2015-11-4 10:12
事实就是美帝距离中国的核心区域越来越远,从以前可以随意进出中国大陆沿海的领空领海,到现在只能在几千 ...


不只几千公里外的南海,东海黄海都随时进防空识别区比如上次B52,P8AP3C随意进200海里大陆主张经济专属区上空。实际上抵近侦查几乎每天都在发生。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:22
那只说明了毛子治理和御下笼络术法不行,习惯了大国沙文主义粗暴解决。而霉国和北约治理更有章法。
那你扯什么驻军和子女在国外啊?人家敢不敢跟你作对和这些东西半点关系都没有。
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:29
不只几千公里外的南海,东海黄海都随时进防空识别区比如上次B52,P8AP3C随意进200海里大陆主张经济专属 ...
防空识别区和经济专属区等于领空领海?中国军舰进入美国阿留申群岛12海里领海,你又怎么说?
黑奥之祖 发表于 2015-11-4 10:24
注意那是国际海峡,还有捏睾丸频率。大陆难得去一次。霉菌随时在东海黄海南海。
美方自己都承认中国军舰已经进入美国12海里领海。
那你扯什么驻军和子女在国外啊?人家敢不敢跟你作对和这些东西半点关系都没有。
嗯嗯,跟人家没关系好了吧,根子是自己软,自己主动送人质给对方,一厢情愿整天望对方一起和谐世界。