日本向美国采购2套宙斯盾作战系统，价值15亿美元

出售清单如下：
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Japan for DDG 7 and 8 AEGIS Combat System,
Underwater Weapon System, Cooperative Engagement Capability and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $1.5 billion

The Government of Japan has requested a possible sale of
two (2) ship sets of the MK 7 AEGIS Weapon System,
AN/SQQ-89A (v) 15J UWS and CEC.
Additional items include associated equipment, training and support for its Japan Fiscal Year (JFY) 2015 and JFY2016 new construction destroyers (DDGs).
The ACS and associated support will be procured over a six (6) to seven (7) year period, as approved by Japan in budgets for JFY2015 and JFY2016.
The estimated value of this proposed sale is $1.5 billion.

出售清单如下：
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Japan for DDG 7 and 8 AEGIS Combat System,
Underwater Weapon System, Cooperative Engagement Capability and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $1.5 billion

The Government of Japan has requested a possible sale of
two (2) ship sets of the MK 7 AEGIS Weapon System,
AN/SQQ-89A (v) 15J UWS and CEC.
Additional items include associated equipment, training and support for its Japan Fiscal Year (JFY) 2015 and JFY2016 new construction destroyers (DDGs).
The ACS and associated support will be procured over a six (6) to seven (7) year period, as approved by Japan in budgets for JFY2015 and JFY2016.
The estimated value of this proposed sale is $1.5 billion.

爱宕改啊楼主，最终鬼子将拥有8艘盾舰，每个八八舰队两艘。。。


爱宕改啊楼主，最终鬼子将拥有8艘盾舰，每个八八舰队两艘。。。

免子現在己超過鬼子盾艦, 可以無視鬼子

爱宕改啊楼主，最终鬼子将拥有8艘盾舰，每个八八舰队两艘。。。
爱宕改服役后，金刚也快退役了。

主题善良 发表于 2015-8-8 01:25
爱宕改服役后，金刚也快退役了。
金刚退了还会有更先进的新舰替换（估计是鬼子版伯克3），不过他们换装压力也不小，光八八舰队就32艘主力舰，按近年来一年一艘的速度，基本上换完一圈正好是驱逐舰到寿的年份，但除了八八舰队之外还有地方队也要换装，现在鬼子造舰速度根本不够，舰队规模不缩减就已经很不错了，而兔子还在筹划扩编驱支数量，长远来看鬼子的整个海军力量也就能跟我们一个舰队相比而已。。。

金刚退了还会有更先进的新舰替换（估计是鬼子版伯克3），不过他们换装压力也不小，光八八舰队就32艘主力 ...
de还没换呢，金刚估计要延迟退役。
有航母和没航母没可比性啊。

主题善良 发表于 2015-8-8 01:51
de还没换呢，金刚估计要延迟退役。
有航母和没航母没可比性啊。
鬼子的DE据说要造22艘，俺很怀疑他们哪来的时间去造，除非以后改成每年建造1主力舰1护卫舰，不过军费够不够那就不好说了。。。

鬼子的DE据说要造22艘，俺很怀疑他们哪来的时间去造，除非以后改成每年建造1主力舰1护卫舰，不过军费够不 ...

鬼子这么造不划算，四个八八舰队的钱可以造两个中型航母战斗群了。
还能剩点加强地方队。
比现在这样强多了，英法不算潜艇的话完虐。

其实，AV完全可以改进“秋月”级，使其可以发射标准-2/3，做一型和我们052C同等的防空型驱逐舰，况且两者的吨位也接近。
以AV的国际环境和自身技术水平来说，这样的改进应该没问题，毕竟“秋月”是AV第一次尝试神盾舰的建造，虽然用了些国外的技术，但其国产自助的程度还是远比“金刚”和“爱宕”高的多！

从独立自主这方面来说也应该发展支持“秋月”。

其实，AV完全可以改进“秋月”级，使其可以发射标准-2/3，做一型和我们052C同等的防空型驱逐舰，况且两者的吨位也接近。
以AV的国际环境和自身技术水平来说，这样的改进应该没问题，毕竟“秋月”是AV第一次尝试神盾舰的建造，虽然用了些国外的技术，但其国产自助的程度还是远比“金刚”和“爱宕”高的多！

从独立自主这方面来说也应该发展支持“秋月”。

eddiehk168 发表于 2015-8-8 01:19
免子現在己超過鬼子盾艦, 可以無視鬼子
还早着  宙斯盾军舰现役数量上旗鼓相当  但是导弹数量 两艘052c相当于一艘金刚
3搜052D相当于两艘爱宕

美国人赚钱这么容易，考虑过日本人的感受吗？

主题善良 发表于 2015-8-8 02:06
鬼子这么造不划算，四个八八舰队的钱可以造两个中型航母战斗群了。
还能剩点加强地方队。
比现在这样 ...
鬼子倒是想，问题是粑粑不让造啊，只能像现在这样成为第七舰队附属反潜大队。。。

还早着  宙斯盾军舰现役数量上旗鼓相当  但是导弹数量 两艘052c相当于一艘金刚
3搜052D相当于两艘爱宕
真会扯，数导弹。

鬼子倒是想，问题是粑粑不让造啊，只能像现在这样成为第七舰队附属反潜大队。。。
飞机的比例太离谱了。

主题善良 发表于 2015-8-8 02:47
真会扯，数导弹。
96枚标准二导弹的战斗力绝对超过48枚hhq9导弹  

文中所谓DDG-7、8是指日本第七、第八艘宙斯盾舰，就是两艘27DDG型

15亿美元是所有需由美国供应的作战装备的总额，包括MK-41垂直发射系统

看起来是给两艘27DDG型的，规格是Baseline 9、BMD 5.0以上，高大上的MMSP、CEC、MFTA都有了，SQQ-89自然是(V)15

清单如下：

-One (1) J7 AWS Computer Program
-Two (2) ship sets Multi-Mission Signal Processor (MMSP)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/MK8 MOD4 AEGIS Common Display System (CDS)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SPQ-15 Digital Video Distribution System and Common Processor System (CPS)
-Two (2) ship sets AWS Computing Infrastructure MK 1 MOD4
-Two (2) ship sets Operational Readiness Test System (ORTS) hosted in AWS computing infrastructure
-Two (2) MK 99 MOD 8 Fire Control Systems
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SPG-62A Radar, Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) including Mission Planner blade server processors hosted in the CPS
-Two (2) Kill Assessment System/Weapon Data Recording Cabinets (KAS/WDRC)
-Two (2) ship sets Mode 5/S capable Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) System
-Two (2) ship sets MK 36 MOD 6 Decoy Launching System
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SQQ-89A (V) 15 Underwater Surveillance and Communication System
-Two (2) Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) Navigation systems with OE-553/U antenna
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SSN-6F (V) 4 Navigation Sensor System Interface (NAVSSI)
-Two (2) ship sets WSN-7(V) Inertial Navigation System (INS)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/URC-141(V) 3(C) Multifunctional Information Distribution System (MIDS) Radio Set
-Two (2) ship sets AN/UYQ-86(V) 6 Common Data Link Management System (CDLMS)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SQQ-89A (v) 15J UWS
-Two (2) ship sets Gigabit Ethernet Data Multiplex System (GEDMS)
-Two (2) ship sets Maintenance Assist Modules (MAMs) cabinets for Fire Control and Combat Systems equipment
-Two (2) ship sets Multi-Function Towed Array (MFTA) and associated
OK-410(V)3/SQR handling equipment
-Two (2) ship sets of Vertical Launching System (VLS)
-MK41 components for Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) launcher to support BMD missions employing the Standard Missile 3 (SM-3)
-Two (2) ship sets Launch Control Units (LCU) MK 235 Mod 9 with Vertical Launching System (VLS) Global Positioning System (GPS) Integrator (VGI)
-VLS launcher components including twenty-four (24) MK 448 Mod 1 Motor Control Panel
-Four (4) Programmable Power Supplies MK179 Mod 0
-Twenty-four (24) Launch Sequencers MK 5 Mod 1
-Four (4) Fiber Optic Distribution Boxes (FODB)
-Twenty-four (24) Single Module Junction Boxes
-Two (2) ship sets Gun Weapon System MK 34
-Two (2) ship sets MK 20 Electro-Optical Sensor System (EOSS)
-Two (2) ship sets of Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)
-Two (2) ship sets Global Command and Control System-Maritime (GCCS-M)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SPQ-9B Radar
-Two (2) ship sets Enhanced AEGIS Combat Systems Trainer (ACTS) with communication suite
-Two (2) ship sets technical documentation

The prime contractors will be Lockheed Martin, with offices based in Moorestown, NJ; Syracuse, NY; and Manassas, VA per sole source request from Japan as the primary AEGIS System Contractor for JFY 2015 and JFY 2016 DDG Class Ships. Japan has also requested Data Link Solutions, Cedar Rapids, IA be designated as the sole source prime contractor for the Multifunctional Information Distribution System (MIDS) on Ships (MOS) to reduce the cost of sparing and logistics for its AEGIS Ships. There are also a significant number of companies under contract with the U. S. Navy that will provide components and systems as well as engineering services during the execution of this effort.

Japanese industry has requested participation with U.S. industry as sub-contractors under the FMS case on a limited basis to provide selected components and software. Japanese industry sourced items are: 1) TR-343 Equivalent Replacement Sonar Transducers for SQS-53C sonar by NEC, 2) Partial AEGIS Display System application software by MHI, and 3) Partial AEGIS Display System Hardware and Common Display System hardware by Fujitsu. The Japan sourced products will be subject to product qualification, export control or other requirements for use in FMS-provided systems. The U.S. Navy retains the option to use U.S. Navy Programs of Record to source products or services as required to meet program requirements. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this potential sale.

供货中将包含下包给日本厂商的组件，SQS53C声纳的换能器由日本电子（NEC）生产，三菱提供宙斯盾显示系统软件，富士通提供宙斯盾显示系统以及通用显示系统硬件，依照FMS的品管与出口标准，美国海军保留使用美军自身组件的权力使之能满足计画需求通过验收。

文中所谓DDG-7、8是指日本第七、第八艘宙斯盾舰，就是两艘27DDG型

15亿美元是所有需由美国供应的作战装备的总额，包括MK-41垂直发射系统

看起来是给两艘27DDG型的，规格是Baseline 9、BMD 5.0以上，高大上的MMSP、CEC、MFTA都有了，SQQ-89自然是(V)15

清单如下：

-One (1) J7 AWS Computer Program
-Two (2) ship sets Multi-Mission Signal Processor (MMSP)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/MK8 MOD4 AEGIS Common Display System (CDS)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SPQ-15 Digital Video Distribution System and Common Processor System (CPS)
-Two (2) ship sets AWS Computing Infrastructure MK 1 MOD4
-Two (2) ship sets Operational Readiness Test System (ORTS) hosted in AWS computing infrastructure
-Two (2) MK 99 MOD 8 Fire Control Systems
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SPG-62A Radar, Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) including Mission Planner blade server processors hosted in the CPS
-Two (2) Kill Assessment System/Weapon Data Recording Cabinets (KAS/WDRC)
-Two (2) ship sets Mode 5/S capable Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) System
-Two (2) ship sets MK 36 MOD 6 Decoy Launching System
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SQQ-89A (V) 15 Underwater Surveillance and Communication System
-Two (2) Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) Navigation systems with OE-553/U antenna
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SSN-6F (V) 4 Navigation Sensor System Interface (NAVSSI)
-Two (2) ship sets WSN-7(V) Inertial Navigation System (INS)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/URC-141(V) 3(C) Multifunctional Information Distribution System (MIDS) Radio Set
-Two (2) ship sets AN/UYQ-86(V) 6 Common Data Link Management System (CDLMS)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SQQ-89A (v) 15J UWS
-Two (2) ship sets Gigabit Ethernet Data Multiplex System (GEDMS)
-Two (2) ship sets Maintenance Assist Modules (MAMs) cabinets for Fire Control and Combat Systems equipment
-Two (2) ship sets Multi-Function Towed Array (MFTA) and associated
OK-410(V)3/SQR handling equipment
-Two (2) ship sets of Vertical Launching System (VLS)
-MK41 components for Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) launcher to support BMD missions employing the Standard Missile 3 (SM-3)
-Two (2) ship sets Launch Control Units (LCU) MK 235 Mod 9 with Vertical Launching System (VLS) Global Positioning System (GPS) Integrator (VGI)
-VLS launcher components including twenty-four (24) MK 448 Mod 1 Motor Control Panel
-Four (4) Programmable Power Supplies MK179 Mod 0
-Twenty-four (24) Launch Sequencers MK 5 Mod 1
-Four (4) Fiber Optic Distribution Boxes (FODB)
-Twenty-four (24) Single Module Junction Boxes
-Two (2) ship sets Gun Weapon System MK 34
-Two (2) ship sets MK 20 Electro-Optical Sensor System (EOSS)
-Two (2) ship sets of Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)
-Two (2) ship sets Global Command and Control System-Maritime (GCCS-M)
-Two (2) ship sets AN/SPQ-9B Radar
-Two (2) ship sets Enhanced AEGIS Combat Systems Trainer (ACTS) with communication suite
-Two (2) ship sets technical documentation

The prime contractors will be Lockheed Martin, with offices based in Moorestown, NJ; Syracuse, NY; and Manassas, VA per sole source request from Japan as the primary AEGIS System Contractor for JFY 2015 and JFY 2016 DDG Class Ships. Japan has also requested Data Link Solutions, Cedar Rapids, IA be designated as the sole source prime contractor for the Multifunctional Information Distribution System (MIDS) on Ships (MOS) to reduce the cost of sparing and logistics for its AEGIS Ships. There are also a significant number of companies under contract with the U. S. Navy that will provide components and systems as well as engineering services during the execution of this effort.

Japanese industry has requested participation with U.S. industry as sub-contractors under the FMS case on a limited basis to provide selected components and software. Japanese industry sourced items are: 1) TR-343 Equivalent Replacement Sonar Transducers for SQS-53C sonar by NEC, 2) Partial AEGIS Display System application software by MHI, and 3) Partial AEGIS Display System Hardware and Common Display System hardware by Fujitsu. The Japan sourced products will be subject to product qualification, export control or other requirements for use in FMS-provided systems. The U.S. Navy retains the option to use U.S. Navy Programs of Record to source products or services as required to meet program requirements. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this potential sale.

供货中将包含下包给日本厂商的组件，SQS53C声纳的换能器由日本电子（NEC）生产，三菱提供宙斯盾显示系统软件，富士通提供宙斯盾显示系统以及通用显示系统硬件，依照FMS的品管与出口标准，美国海军保留使用美军自身组件的权力使之能满足计画需求通过验收。

wangxiaohrbeu1 发表于 2015-8-8 05:25
96枚标准二导弹的战斗力绝对超过48枚hhq9导弹
这些导弹都是用来打飞机的，打军舰就很不给力。如果中国052D昆明级驱逐舰与之舰舰对战，反舰导弹威力差的日舰还不是挨打的料。

主题善良 发表于 2015-8-8 01:51
de还没换呢，金刚估计要延迟退役。
有航母和没航母没可比性啊。
新宙斯盾舰替换的是两艘老的旗风级防空驱逐舰，金刚级退役还得往后挪。现在日本财政困难，想替换老舰比较困难，很可能维护升级后继续使用。

哎呀，好贵，鬼子仿造一个宙斯盾不就好了，我这里说的不是秋月那种小东东

CVN福特 发表于 2015-8-8 02:30
鬼子倒是想，问题是粑粑不让造啊，只能像现在这样成为第七舰队附属反潜大队。。。
管它美国这么多呢，右翼势力不是既反华又反美的嘛，单单做个反潜支队多憋屈，不造航母没出息

主题善良 发表于 2015-8-8 01:51
de还没换呢，金刚估计要延迟退役。
有航母和没航母没可比性啊。
鬼子确实有给金刚延寿的计划！

wangxiaohrbeu1 发表于 2015-8-8 02:18
还早着  宙斯盾军舰现役数量上旗鼓相当  但是导弹数量 两艘052c相当于一艘金刚
3搜052D相当于两艘爱宕
怎么可以以绝对的导弹熟练论英雄，真到战时，不管输赢很难有导弹全部打掉的时候。比的系统的先进和火力通道。

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 08:28
怎么可以以绝对的导弹熟练论英雄，真到战时，不管输赢很难有导弹全部打掉的时候。比的系统的先进和火力通 ...
载弹量当然重要，拦截一个目标，发射一枚弹去拦截，和发射2枚弹去拦截的拦截成功率，当然不一样。

jli-2010-1 发表于 2015-8-8 08:49
载弹量当然重要，拦截一个目标，发射一枚弹去拦截，和发射2枚弹去拦截的拦截成功率，当然不一样。
导弹拦截必然要多枚一起拦，但是本子的火力通道比起TG的那是差多了。你可以一次拦截4枚5枚比如两艘D对两艘爱D，我们两艘128坑只要带20枚犯贱一次发射绝对超过5枚6枚，有一个打中他们航母也完蛋了。火力通道不够完全防御只是梦而已。

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 08:57
导弹拦截必然要多枚一起拦，但是本子的火力通道比起TG的那是差多了。你可以一次拦截4枚5枚比如两艘D对两 ...
爱岩的火力通道比052C/D差多少？   您能不能给定量分析一下。

jli-2010-1 发表于 2015-8-8 09:02
爱岩的火力通道比052C/D差多少？   您能不能给定量分析一下。

无缘和有缘比火力通道，似乎是天方夜谭，谢谢。

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 09:03
无缘和有缘比火力通道，似乎是天方夜谭，谢谢。
你都懂些啥？

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 08:28
怎么可以以绝对的导弹熟练论英雄，真到战时，不管输赢很难有导弹全部打掉的时候。比的系统的先进和火力通 ...
我们的系统没有经过现代化战争的检验
老美的宙斯盾参加了多次大规模局部战争
而且整个研发时间完善时间长达几十年

无论怎么算 日本的宙斯盾舰战斗力都远强过052C 仅仅实战经验带来的系统完善 我们就很难做到

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 09:03
无缘和有缘比火力通道，似乎是天方夜谭，谢谢。
啥都不懂，乱哈哈，谢谢。

wangxiaohrbeu1 发表于 2015-8-8 09:04
我们的系统没有经过现代化战争的检验
老美的宙斯盾参加了多次大规模局部战争
而且整个研发时间完善时 ...
系统的成熟度，无可奈何。先进性，，，

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 09:06
系统的成熟度，无可奈何。先进性，，，
先进性体现的是作战性能 而不是说先进技术的堆积
试问 如果没经过现代化高强度战争的检验 如何得出性能符合实战需求？

以前网页新闻看到过，东洋扶桑新追加的两艘宙斯盾舰，爱宕的改进型。日本想要达到8艘宙斯盾。估计是感觉兔子盾舰早起来没完，感觉不追加两艘不合适了。以前记得看到报道说韩国人好像也准备未来追加KDX3型驱逐舰，所以美国人又要发大财了。

爱宕改会不会是伯克3呢？期待中......

wangxiaohrbeu1 发表于 2015-8-8 09:12
先进性体现的是作战性能 而不是说先进技术的堆积
试问 如果没经过现代化高强度战争的检验 如何得出性能 ...
如果这样，博客3还发展个P，因为他们的也没有经历过实战，但是你敢说博客3比博客2战力低吗？

891025hai 发表于 2015-8-8 09:18
如果这样，博客3还发展个P，因为他们的也没有经历过实战，但是你敢说博客3比博客2战力低吗？
请注意 我说的是 伯克和052c/d的比较 属于横向比较
伯克自己的演进属于 纵向发展
伯克将来是作为海基反导平台

CVN福特 发表于 2015-8-8 01:46
金刚退了还会有更先进的新舰替换（估计是鬼子版伯克3），不过他们换装压力也不小，光八八舰队就32艘主力 ...
鬼子应该没有博客三，2A的技术他们还没吃透的。

从盾舰角度说，目前并非媒体说的超越，而是持平状态，未来肯定能超，不过鬼子军费一直维持的很低，如果放开军费的话，数量也会有一定的提升

wangxiaohrbeu1 发表于 2015-8-8 09:12
先进性体现的是作战性能 而不是说先进技术的堆积
试问 如果没经过现代化高强度战争的检验 如何得出性能 ...
现代化高强度战争跟美国有一毛钱关系？

逐风坤 发表于 2015-8-8 09:34
鬼子应该没有博客三，2A的技术他们还没吃透的。
爱党改还是SPY-1，但我说的是金刚级替代舰，要十多年后才服役，届时美帝已经有多艘伯克3了，鬼子很可能也会跟风进口AMDR。。。