超级军网参加美国早期(1930年)半自动步枪选秀的“秀女”们 (多图 ...
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美国不是世界上最早列装半自动步枪的国家，但是他们装备使用半自动步枪的规模和影响确是最大的。当年美国人在选定加兰德步枪之前也是花了很长时间，对很多型号的半自动步枪做了大量的对比，就像一场盛大的“选秀”。现在看来没有那么多参与者的推动，也许就不会出现更优秀的加兰德步枪。
秀女一：
Colt 1929 Semiauto Rifle
On October 1, 1928, the US War Department published a request for semiautomatic rifle designs. The Colt company submitted this .276 caliber rifle to the ensuing trials in 1929. It was designed by J. E. Browning (half brother of John Moses Browning) and was a recoil-operated design weighing 9lb 9oz and using 108 parts.
The Colt 1929 rifle was deemed unfit for further testing by the government because of poor feeding, poor cooling ability, an overly long receiver and short barrel, too many parts, and being too heavy overall.
1928年美国陆军部军械署公布了半自动步枪的设计要求，1929年柯尔特公司提交了样枪，这是个后座式设计的步枪，.276佩德森口径，由约翰摩西勃朗宁的兄弟J.E.勃朗宁主持设计。 容易卡弹，重量偏重，散热也不好
秀女二
Danish Bang rifle
The first successful semiauto rifle submitted to the US War Department was this design by Soren Hansen Bang of Denmark, in 1911. Two examples were sent to Springfield armory for testing, and they made a very positive impression with the staff there. It functioned very well, despite a few faults. In order to meet a weight requirement for the US Army (no heavier than the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle), it had a very thin barrel, and a hollowed-out stock. This led to rapid overheating, and charring of the wooden furniture.
The rifle used a sliding cap on the muzzle to function Gas released from the muzzle would pull the cap forward, and this force was transmitted through a wire to cam open the rotating bolt and then push it rearward.
Bang presented another gun to the US military in 1927, but it was very similar to his original, and while the original gun had great promise, it was not refined enough for military service. When John Garand began working on a replacement for his early primer-actuated rifle, Ordnance officers urged him develop Bang’s basic principle. He did so, and this led to the early gas-trap Garand rifle.
For more history on the early development of a semiauto military rifle in the US, I recommend Major Julian Hatcher’s excellent work, Hatcher’s Book of the Garand
丹麦M1920 Bang（邦式）步枪 最早交给美军测试的步枪,1911年就完成设计，枪机运转可靠，但是为满足美国人的重量要求造成散热差
美国不是世界上最早列装半自动步枪的国家，但是他们装备使用半自动步枪的规模和影响确是最大的。当年美国人在选定加兰德步枪之前也是花了很长时间，对很多型号的半自动步枪做了大量的对比，就像一场盛大的“选秀”。现在看来没有那么多参与者的推动，也许就不会出现更优秀的加兰德步枪。
秀女一：
Colt 1929 Semiauto Rifle
On October 1, 1928, the US War Department published a request for semiautomatic rifle designs. The Colt company submitted this .276 caliber rifle to the ensuing trials in 1929. It was designed by J. E. Browning (half brother of John Moses Browning) and was a recoil-operated design weighing 9lb 9oz and using 108 parts.
The Colt 1929 rifle was deemed unfit for further testing by the government because of poor feeding, poor cooling ability, an overly long receiver and short barrel, too many parts, and being too heavy overall.
1928年美国陆军部军械署公布了半自动步枪的设计要求，1929年柯尔特公司提交了样枪，这是个后座式设计的步枪，.276佩德森口径，由约翰摩西勃朗宁的兄弟J.E.勃朗宁主持设计。 容易卡弹，重量偏重，散热也不好
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秀女二
Danish Bang rifle
The first successful semiauto rifle submitted to the US War Department was this design by Soren Hansen Bang of Denmark, in 1911. Two examples were sent to Springfield armory for testing, and they made a very positive impression with the staff there. It functioned very well, despite a few faults. In order to meet a weight requirement for the US Army (no heavier than the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle), it had a very thin barrel, and a hollowed-out stock. This led to rapid overheating, and charring of the wooden furniture.
The rifle used a sliding cap on the muzzle to function Gas released from the muzzle would pull the cap forward, and this force was transmitted through a wire to cam open the rotating bolt and then push it rearward.
Bang presented another gun to the US military in 1927, but it was very similar to his original, and while the original gun had great promise, it was not refined enough for military service. When John Garand began working on a replacement for his early primer-actuated rifle, Ordnance officers urged him develop Bang’s basic principle. He did so, and this led to the early gas-trap Garand rifle.
For more history on the early development of a semiauto military rifle in the US, I recommend Major Julian Hatcher’s excellent work, Hatcher’s Book of the Garand
丹麦M1920 Bang（邦式）步枪 最早交给美军测试的步枪,1911年就完成设计，枪机运转可靠，但是为满足美国人的重量要求造成散热差
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秀女八
US Thompson .276 semiauto
This rifle was submitted to the 1929 US Army rifle trials. It was a .276 caliber retarded-blowback action, and used lubricated cartridges. It used paperboard clips for loading, much like contemporary Swiss rifles. Two versions of the rifle were submitted, the second being shorter and a pound lighter than the first.
The second model was put into testing, but broke its bolt after firing 1,106 rounds. It was withdrawn from testing, and deemed by the testers to have poor operating and feeding mechanisms.
276口径汤姆森步枪 这是第二阶段的样枪，但是没有坚持下来退出了测试。
秀女八
US Thompson .276 semiauto
This rifle was submitted to the 1929 US Army rifle trials. It was a .276 caliber retarded-blowback action, and used lubricated cartridges. It used paperboard clips for loading, much like contemporary Swiss rifles. Two versions of the rifle were submitted, the second being shorter and a pound lighter than the first.
The second model was put into testing, but broke its bolt after firing 1,106 rounds. It was withdrawn from testing, and deemed by the testers to have poor operating and feeding mechanisms.
276口径汤姆森步枪 这是第二阶段的样枪，但是没有坚持下来退出了测试。
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使命召唤五里常用
很详细，多谢楼主
waffen-ss888 发表于 2012-10-25 00:03 ![]()
至于这场选秀最后的赢家，大家都耳熟能详了！M1 Garand
来个外篇
1940年，除了约翰逊M1941（就是王宝强在 ...
温切斯特这支看着不错呀，为什么落选了。
至于这场选秀最后的赢家，大家都耳熟能详了！M1 Garand
来个外篇
1940年，除了约翰逊M1941（就是王宝强在 ...
温切斯特这支看着不错呀，为什么落选了。
楼主辛苦了
个人比较喜欢捷克的那款，但是明显生产要求比加兰德更复杂。。。。
都不如56半
都是值得收藏的枪啊．．
把托卡列夫改成发射无底缘30-06去选型会怎么样呢
车永学 发表于 2012-12-30 23:29 ![]()
把托卡列夫改成发射无底缘30-06去选型会怎么样呢
估计有戏！！！
把托卡列夫改成发射无底缘30-06去选型会怎么样呢
估计有戏！！！
兰州辛苦
估计有戏！！！
还是太长太重了吧
还是太长太重了吧
waffen-ss888 发表于 2012-10-24 23:58 ![]()
秀女十
捷克ZH-29
捷克的这一款据说是应国府兵工署的请求设计的，东北军曾少量装备过，并曾被日军缴获。但可惜的是不知为何它没能取代中正式步枪。如果它能在抗战中大量使用的话，中国军队的步兵火力可以比鬼子高一个档次。
秀女十
捷克ZH-29
捷克的这一款据说是应国府兵工署的请求设计的，东北军曾少量装备过，并曾被日军缴获。但可惜的是不知为何它没能取代中正式步枪。如果它能在抗战中大量使用的话，中国军队的步兵火力可以比鬼子高一个档次。
sainthh 发表于 2012-12-31 21:57 ![]()
捷克的这一款据说是应国府兵工署的请求设计的，东北军曾少量装备过，并曾被日军缴获。但可惜的是不知为何 ...
zh29,是捷克自己搞得,和果脯没有半毛钱的关系,东北兵工厂做好了生产的准备,可惜鬼子来了.就悲剧了
捷克的这一款据说是应国府兵工署的请求设计的，东北军曾少量装备过，并曾被日军缴获。但可惜的是不知为何 ...
zh29,是捷克自己搞得,和果脯没有半毛钱的关系,东北兵工厂做好了生产的准备,可惜鬼子来了.就悲剧了
waffen-ss888 发表于 2012-12-31 22:09 ![]()
zh29,是捷克自己搞得,和果脯没有半毛钱的关系,东北兵工厂做好了生产的准备,可惜鬼子来了.就悲剧了
设计上的事自然不是国府干的，国府没那本事。国府兵工署只是招标购买者。如果我记错了还望兄找资料更正。
zh29,是捷克自己搞得,和果脯没有半毛钱的关系,东北兵工厂做好了生产的准备,可惜鬼子来了.就悲剧了
设计上的事自然不是国府干的，国府没那本事。国府兵工署只是招标购买者。如果我记错了还望兄找资料更正。
视频b
全体选秀的“秀女”都是机加工的机匣，必须用十多KG的钢材通过复杂的车、刨、铣工艺加工成2KG左右重的步枪机匣，而且大多数都配用加工复杂的全木托。
不得不佩服stg44,开创了薄钢板冲压机匣的创意，从此机匣工艺告别了复杂的车、刨、铣，而且木托亦达到了极简。
尽管由于时代的局限，所用的钢板偏厚了，导致整枪质量偏重，但是瑕不掩瑜。
全体选秀的“秀女”都是机加工的机匣，必须用十多KG的钢材通过复杂的车、刨、铣工艺加工成2KG左右重的步枪机匣，而且大多数都配用加工复杂的全木托。
不得不佩服stg44,开创了薄钢板冲压机匣的创意，从此机匣工艺告别了复杂的车、刨、铣，而且木托亦达到了极简。
尽管由于时代的局限，所用的钢板偏厚了，导致整枪质量偏重，但是瑕不掩瑜。
老美的枪文化没法比。