超级军网纽约时报对这次阿富汗屠杀事件的评论
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原始连接如下
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/world/asia/us-army-sergeant-suspected-in-afghanistan-shooting.html
原文我就不翻译了,主要翻译一下下面人的评论,让大家看看美国人对这件事情的评价.
读者评选的最佳评论列表
Bhava RamSan DiegoNYT Pick
FLAG
As a journalist, I spent time with the mujahideen in the mountains of Afghanistan during their war against the Soviet Union. These are an ancient people filled with a wisdom that most westerners will never fathom or understand. We have no right to be in their country. It is naive to ever believe they will welcome or appreciate our presence. And now the burning of the Koran and a massacre. It's time to leave. Let us bring our soldiers home and help them heal. Let us learn a lesson as a nation, lessen our hubris, expand our global awareness, get over our self-centeredness and cease our aggressions.
作为一名记者,在和苏联战争期间我采访过阿富汗群山里的圣战者.他们的历史很悠久,历史教他们很多智慧,我们西方人是不会懂得。我们跟不没有权利在他们的国家存在。想当然的认为他们会欢迎我们的是非常的幼稚。现在出现了烧古兰经书的事情和这个大屠杀，我们该离开了。把我们的士兵带回家吧治病吧。作为一个国家，我们需要从中学习，总结经验。我们需要低下我们高昂的头颅，扩大我们在全球的影响，我们不能再自以为是了，不要在太具有侵略性。
mamamareNew York, NY
FLAG
"The Taliban threatened vengeance, as the insurgents often do after Western actions they depict as atrocities". I don't think 'depict' is the appropriate word here. This situation was just plain old atrocious. We don't need anyone to put it through the filter of subjectivity. Let's call it what it is and not soften the awfulness of what happened by acting as if atrocious is just the Talibans opinion.
”塔利班威胁要报复，每次他们认为我们做错事了他们都这么干“，“认为”这里是一个错误的词。这个屠杀是无可争议的罪行。我们不需要任何人来洗地。我们需要面对现实，这就是一个罪行，这是无可争议的。
Dave KlimanGlen Cove, New York
Verified
FLAG
We are just there stealing in the first place, so doesn't it make sense that one crime would beget many others?
我们到那里就是去偷窃的，所以在多点罪行也是可以理解的。
Haven't the military contractors extracted enough trillions from the American people already? Hasn't the military killed enough civilians and ruined the lives of enough soldiers yet?
那些雇佣兵们偷窃了万亿美元，还不够么？我们军队还没有杀够人么？我们的士兵还没有被毁购么？
We were supposed to be going there for one purpose, to get Osama Bin Laden. For basically a police matter, we have spent all those trillions, and killed all those countless thousands, and what is keeping us there? the gravy train of it all? Let's leave there now.
我们本来去哪里就为了一件事：抓住本拉登。现在，我们花了上万亿了，杀了成千上万人。我们为啥还在那里耗着呢？回来吧。
As an American, I weep at the sight of this child.
最为一个美国人，我为死去的小孩而哭泣。
When are we going to get out of Afghanistan?
我们什么时候从阿富汗撤出来啊
The media has us focused on Rush Limbaugh and contraception when we really need to be thinking about the fact that the US is slowly considering a war with Iran. 2012 seems a lot like 2002, the year before the Iraq invasion. I really don't want this happening again.
现在媒体又在鼓吹打伊朗的事情，2012就像2002年一样。2002年我们发动了伊拉克战争。我们不想再发生这样的事情。
NO WAR!
不要战争。
JasonCambridge, MANYT Pick
FLAG
"Following the attacks, the Taliban threatened vengeance, as the insurgents often do after Western actions they depict as atrocities."
塔利班通常会在他们所谓的西方罪行后发动复仇行动。
This phrasing is troubling. Regardless of political tensions, and American attitudes towards Afghanistan, no one is "depicting" the random slaughter of innocent men, women and children as an atrocity. It simply is one. To cast it as up for interpretation is a reflection on the frequently American stance that we are the good guys regardless of our actions. American exceptionalism at its worst.
这个句子真的有问题。不管你们的政治立场和美国人对阿富汗的态度，任何试图减低这次屠杀的罪恶的行为都是更大的罪恶。我们美国人总是自我感觉良好，这样不行了。
I believe the White House should have issued much stronger language calling this an atrocity and asserting in no uncertain terms that the perpetrator would face punishment. It's hard to imagine an "investigation" somehow revealing that this was an acceptable act, and hard to understand why it's so politically incorrect to avoid and deny blaming an American for such atrocities. It's easier to understand in such circumstances why the Afghan people would lean towards insurgency against the American hegemony that treats such a tragedy as a bad day for public relations and nothing more.
我觉得白宫应该发表声明：强烈谴责这次屠杀并明确表示这次的犯罪者肯定被惩罚。如果调查结果表明这次行为是“情有可原”，那真是无法让人接受的。为啥让美国人承认个错误这么难呢。
What does the general mean when he says these killings were an "isolated episode?"
这个人到底想说什么，这个“独立的事件”
"Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, the NATO spokesman, expressed his 'deep sadness' and said that while the motive was not yet clear, it looked like an isolated episode."
北约发言人说我们表示深深的歉意，这次动机还没有调查清楚。这次事件是一次独立的事件
From the same article:
在同一片文章里
1. "...the killings occurred two days after an episode in Kapisa Province, in eastern Afghanistan, in which NATO helicopters apparently hunting Taliban insurgents instead fired on civilians, killing four and wounding three others..."
这次屠杀发生在北约直升机被击落后的几天
2. "The attack on Sunday may complicate that issue, because it bore some similarities to the night raids carried out by coalition forces in Afghanistan."
这次屠杀发生在周日，这让这个事件更复杂了。一般来说联军总是在周日发动进攻。
3. "The shootings also carried some echoes of an attack in March 2007 in eastern Afghanistan, when several Marines opened fire with automatic weapons, killing as many as 19 civilians..."
2007年三月，几个士兵杀了19个平民，和这次事件很像。
Apparently "isolated episodes" can happen frequently enough to encourage denial of the atrocities of war.
明显“独立的事件”发生的如此频繁以至于人们可以用来否定战争的罪行。
原始连接如下
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/world/asia/us-army-sergeant-suspected-in-afghanistan-shooting.html
原文我就不翻译了,主要翻译一下下面人的评论,让大家看看美国人对这件事情的评价.
读者评选的最佳评论列表
Bhava RamSan DiegoNYT Pick
FLAG
As a journalist, I spent time with the mujahideen in the mountains of Afghanistan during their war against the Soviet Union. These are an ancient people filled with a wisdom that most westerners will never fathom or understand. We have no right to be in their country. It is naive to ever believe they will welcome or appreciate our presence. And now the burning of the Koran and a massacre. It's time to leave. Let us bring our soldiers home and help them heal. Let us learn a lesson as a nation, lessen our hubris, expand our global awareness, get over our self-centeredness and cease our aggressions.
作为一名记者,在和苏联战争期间我采访过阿富汗群山里的圣战者.他们的历史很悠久,历史教他们很多智慧,我们西方人是不会懂得。我们跟不没有权利在他们的国家存在。想当然的认为他们会欢迎我们的是非常的幼稚。现在出现了烧古兰经书的事情和这个大屠杀，我们该离开了。把我们的士兵带回家吧治病吧。作为一个国家，我们需要从中学习，总结经验。我们需要低下我们高昂的头颅，扩大我们在全球的影响，我们不能再自以为是了，不要在太具有侵略性。
mamamareNew York, NY
FLAG
"The Taliban threatened vengeance, as the insurgents often do after Western actions they depict as atrocities". I don't think 'depict' is the appropriate word here. This situation was just plain old atrocious. We don't need anyone to put it through the filter of subjectivity. Let's call it what it is and not soften the awfulness of what happened by acting as if atrocious is just the Talibans opinion.
”塔利班威胁要报复，每次他们认为我们做错事了他们都这么干“，“认为”这里是一个错误的词。这个屠杀是无可争议的罪行。我们不需要任何人来洗地。我们需要面对现实，这就是一个罪行，这是无可争议的。
Dave KlimanGlen Cove, New York
Verified
FLAG
We are just there stealing in the first place, so doesn't it make sense that one crime would beget many others?
我们到那里就是去偷窃的，所以在多点罪行也是可以理解的。
Haven't the military contractors extracted enough trillions from the American people already? Hasn't the military killed enough civilians and ruined the lives of enough soldiers yet?
那些雇佣兵们偷窃了万亿美元，还不够么？我们军队还没有杀够人么？我们的士兵还没有被毁购么？
We were supposed to be going there for one purpose, to get Osama Bin Laden. For basically a police matter, we have spent all those trillions, and killed all those countless thousands, and what is keeping us there? the gravy train of it all? Let's leave there now.
我们本来去哪里就为了一件事：抓住本拉登。现在，我们花了上万亿了，杀了成千上万人。我们为啥还在那里耗着呢？回来吧。
As an American, I weep at the sight of this child.
最为一个美国人，我为死去的小孩而哭泣。
When are we going to get out of Afghanistan?
我们什么时候从阿富汗撤出来啊
The media has us focused on Rush Limbaugh and contraception when we really need to be thinking about the fact that the US is slowly considering a war with Iran. 2012 seems a lot like 2002, the year before the Iraq invasion. I really don't want this happening again.
现在媒体又在鼓吹打伊朗的事情，2012就像2002年一样。2002年我们发动了伊拉克战争。我们不想再发生这样的事情。
NO WAR!
不要战争。
JasonCambridge, MANYT Pick
FLAG
"Following the attacks, the Taliban threatened vengeance, as the insurgents often do after Western actions they depict as atrocities."
塔利班通常会在他们所谓的西方罪行后发动复仇行动。
This phrasing is troubling. Regardless of political tensions, and American attitudes towards Afghanistan, no one is "depicting" the random slaughter of innocent men, women and children as an atrocity. It simply is one. To cast it as up for interpretation is a reflection on the frequently American stance that we are the good guys regardless of our actions. American exceptionalism at its worst.
这个句子真的有问题。不管你们的政治立场和美国人对阿富汗的态度，任何试图减低这次屠杀的罪恶的行为都是更大的罪恶。我们美国人总是自我感觉良好，这样不行了。
I believe the White House should have issued much stronger language calling this an atrocity and asserting in no uncertain terms that the perpetrator would face punishment. It's hard to imagine an "investigation" somehow revealing that this was an acceptable act, and hard to understand why it's so politically incorrect to avoid and deny blaming an American for such atrocities. It's easier to understand in such circumstances why the Afghan people would lean towards insurgency against the American hegemony that treats such a tragedy as a bad day for public relations and nothing more.
我觉得白宫应该发表声明：强烈谴责这次屠杀并明确表示这次的犯罪者肯定被惩罚。如果调查结果表明这次行为是“情有可原”，那真是无法让人接受的。为啥让美国人承认个错误这么难呢。
What does the general mean when he says these killings were an "isolated episode?"
这个人到底想说什么，这个“独立的事件”
"Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, the NATO spokesman, expressed his 'deep sadness' and said that while the motive was not yet clear, it looked like an isolated episode."
北约发言人说我们表示深深的歉意，这次动机还没有调查清楚。这次事件是一次独立的事件
From the same article:
在同一片文章里
1. "...the killings occurred two days after an episode in Kapisa Province, in eastern Afghanistan, in which NATO helicopters apparently hunting Taliban insurgents instead fired on civilians, killing four and wounding three others..."
这次屠杀发生在北约直升机被击落后的几天
2. "The attack on Sunday may complicate that issue, because it bore some similarities to the night raids carried out by coalition forces in Afghanistan."
这次屠杀发生在周日，这让这个事件更复杂了。一般来说联军总是在周日发动进攻。
3. "The shootings also carried some echoes of an attack in March 2007 in eastern Afghanistan, when several Marines opened fire with automatic weapons, killing as many as 19 civilians..."
2007年三月，几个士兵杀了19个平民，和这次事件很像。
Apparently "isolated episodes" can happen frequently enough to encourage denial of the atrocities of war.
明显“独立的事件”发生的如此频繁以至于人们可以用来否定战争的罪行。
美国人民眼睛是雪亮滴！
美国军火商华尔街大老板们已经惹怒美国人民了，不过这毫无意义
池鱼思故渊 发表于 2012-3-13 10:17 ![]()
美国军火商华尔街大老板们已经惹怒美国人民了，不过这毫无意义
说的对哈,惹了又如何,米国的P民也没招
美国军火商华尔街大老板们已经惹怒美国人民了，不过这毫无意义
说的对哈,惹了又如何,米国的P民也没招
mujahideen是圣战者的意思，不是什么mujahideen人。
你们的士兵在外面抛头颅撒热血,你们在后面唱反调,太不象话了.
民煮制度，呵呵。
以上是读者评选出来的评论，下面我翻译一点普通用户的评论。
Listen TomeWashington, DC
FLAG
Does anybody believe we are being told the truth anymore?
还有人认为我们的媒体报道的是事实么？
TakashiBoston, Ma
Might be time to GET OUT NOW of the U.S.
现在正是时候离开美国
This ship is, without doubt, sinking.
这艘船无可置疑的正在下沉。
bncLowell, MA
FLAG
And we minimize such atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Why are these killings any different?
加沙和西岸的屠杀为啥没人报道呢？难道屠杀还有区别么？
SlimMexico
What do you mean "depicted as atrocities"? 16 women and children are killed and it's "maybe" and atrocity?!
什么是所谓的罪恶，16个孩子和妇女被杀了，你说这可能是罪恶？
edthefedbowie md
It's WAY past the time to LEAVE Afghanistan? They don't want us and we don't understand them.
我们早就应该离开阿富汗了，他们不需要我，我也不懂他们。
BillNYC
Historians read your history. The British retreat, the Russian retreat and soon to be, our retreat. It's going to be very ugly leaving.
March 12, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.RECOMMENDED2
看看历史吧，英国人失败了，俄国人失败了，很快我们就要失败了。这次撤离会是非常的丑陋。
Jay LagemannMartha's Vineyard, MA
If this killer is not a "terrorist" then who is? Or is it only "terrorism" when you kill an American, Israeli, or white European?
March 12, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.RECOMMENDED10
这个杀手如果不是恐怖分子，那么谁是恐怖分子。是不是只有杀美国人，以色列人还有白种欧洲人的时候才是恐怖分子？
Val HuberCalifornia
Horrifying and tragic.
恐怖，悲剧
And done in our name.
还是在我们的名字下发生的。
We are there with no chance of useful outcome, only certainly of more tragedies like this.
我们在那里没有任何意义，
Let's get out.
撤吧！
March 12, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.RECOMMENDED4
nickLas Vegas
I grieve for the families and the fallen in this incident, but at the same time I have to wonder why there will be any uproar at all!? Lone gunman goes off his nut and kills a bunch of people that did not deserve to die. He'll be tried and punished, and maybe at some point we all will find out why this happened. In the meantime, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan can walk into towns and villages left and right, rape, kill, and torture their own countrymen, women and children and that seems to be perfectly alright with the same Afghans who will be out there trying to attack any American available to avenge these deaths. Just once it would be nice to see the Afghan people rise up against their own aggressors in their own country. The Americans and NATO forces did not create an Afghan country where people had to fear for their lives every single day, from their own brothers and government. It was there when we came and it will be there when we leave because in all Islamic countries, leadership starts and ends with fear, threats, and reprisals for any who do not fall into line. Bin Laden has been found and dealt with. That was the mission. It's done. Country building is up to those who live in that country, and we just get in the way because our two cultures do not mesh well. If the Afghan people are to ever be successful in beating back their own criminal elements, then we will have to be out of their way.
March 12, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.RECOMMENDED3
对这次事件中死去的人表示悲痛，但是我实在不懂为啥人们这次小题大做。一个孤独的抢手发疯了杀了一批人。他会被审判的。也许我们会发现原因。同时阿富汗的塔利班，基地组织可以自由的出入村镇强奸，杀人，折磨他们自己的村民。没有人说任何事情。多希望看到阿富汗人民能自己起来反抗这些人。美国和北约是来帮助阿富汗人民的，我们把他们从屠杀，强奸，折磨中解救出来。我们走了以后，这个国家还会变成原来的样子。所有的MSL国家都是靠恐惧来统治的。那些不同意的人会被杀死。我们抓到了本拉登。我们帮了他们很大的忙。如果阿富汗人民还想回到那种罪恶的社会，那美国人民真是要离开了。
If I hear Obama refer to these men -- among them being people who kill "the enemy" and urinate on their bodies, kill randomly and pose with the bodies and cut off fingers and ears of the dead for sport and trophy, massacre innocents and beat prisoners to death (as was doen a number of times in Bagram) or burn the holy book of the people they are suppose to protect -- I think next time I hear Obama or Clinton refer to "our troops" as heros, I am going to be sick to my stomoch.
如果奥巴马总统口中的英雄中有这些人：这些人把平民当敌人杀，在他们尸体上撒尿，随机屠杀并且切下他们的指头和耳朵作为战利品，屠杀无辜的平民，虐待囚犯致死，焚烧那些我们要保护的人的可兰经。那么下次我听到奥巴马或者系来历口中在称我们的部队为英雄，我真的会恶心的要吐的。
It is not such sick (likely ignorant ractist) fools who commit this massacre and other stupid acts who are primarily at fault, however. The real cuprits are the whole system of hyper-nationalism and "the military-industrial complex", of which we the public are a part of.
March 12, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.RECOMMENDED3
其实我们可以把所有的问题都归在那些个人身上。但是其实这个问题的根源在于我们的军工支持的国家体系。
Kaafir Against MohammadManchester
I agree there is no excuse however you cant blame a man who has lost his marbles. At best you can look at what caused him to loose it....
March 12, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.RECOMMENDED3
我觉得这个屠杀是无可置疑的，但是我们也要理解这个杀手的动机，最少我们要知道他为啥要这么做
dolorosaVineland
FLAG
I believe this may be the impetus to get out of Afghanistan NOW! i am very sorry for the innocent victims in Afghanistan as well as the servicemen who were killed after the accidental burning of the Quoran! There is no doubt in my mind that the army sergeant who confessed to these murders is a victim of PTSD. I am sure that there are many, many others who may be on the edge. This should be the turning point to vacate Afghanistan ASAP. I, for one, am writing to President Obama as well as my congressmen to express my views, and I urge other concerned citizens to do the same. This has gone on long enough, and there can be no doubt that if we continue to stay in Afghanistan the situation there will deteriorate rapidly, resulting in more bloodshed.
我认为现在我们该撤离阿富汗了，对这次战争中牺牲的阿富汗人和我们的士兵我感到非常的遗憾。这次的杀手绝对是战后综合症的受害者。肯定有很多其他的士兵也在崩溃的边缘
赶紧离开阿富汗吧，越快越好。我已经给总统和议员们写信了。其他人也应该这么做。我们在阿富汗呆的越久就会有越多的麻烦。
以上是读者评选出来的评论，下面我翻译一点普通用户的评论。
Listen TomeWashington, DC
FLAG
Does anybody believe we are being told the truth anymore?
还有人认为我们的媒体报道的是事实么？
TakashiBoston, Ma
Might be time to GET OUT NOW of the U.S.
现在正是时候离开美国
This ship is, without doubt, sinking.
这艘船无可置疑的正在下沉。
bncLowell, MA
FLAG
And we minimize such atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Why are these killings any different?
加沙和西岸的屠杀为啥没人报道呢？难道屠杀还有区别么？
SlimMexico
What do you mean "depicted as atrocities"? 16 women and children are killed and it's "maybe" and atrocity?!
什么是所谓的罪恶，16个孩子和妇女被杀了，你说这可能是罪恶？
edthefedbowie md
It's WAY past the time to LEAVE Afghanistan? They don't want us and we don't understand them.
我们早就应该离开阿富汗了，他们不需要我，我也不懂他们。
BillNYC
Historians read your history. The British retreat, the Russian retreat and soon to be, our retreat. It's going to be very ugly leaving.
March 12, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.RECOMMENDED2
看看历史吧，英国人失败了，俄国人失败了，很快我们就要失败了。这次撤离会是非常的丑陋。
Jay LagemannMartha's Vineyard, MA
If this killer is not a "terrorist" then who is? Or is it only "terrorism" when you kill an American, Israeli, or white European?
March 12, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.RECOMMENDED10
这个杀手如果不是恐怖分子，那么谁是恐怖分子。是不是只有杀美国人，以色列人还有白种欧洲人的时候才是恐怖分子？
Val HuberCalifornia
Horrifying and tragic.
恐怖，悲剧
And done in our name.
还是在我们的名字下发生的。
We are there with no chance of useful outcome, only certainly of more tragedies like this.
我们在那里没有任何意义，
Let's get out.
撤吧！
March 12, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.RECOMMENDED4
nickLas Vegas
I grieve for the families and the fallen in this incident, but at the same time I have to wonder why there will be any uproar at all!? Lone gunman goes off his nut and kills a bunch of people that did not deserve to die. He'll be tried and punished, and maybe at some point we all will find out why this happened. In the meantime, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan can walk into towns and villages left and right, rape, kill, and torture their own countrymen, women and children and that seems to be perfectly alright with the same Afghans who will be out there trying to attack any American available to avenge these deaths. Just once it would be nice to see the Afghan people rise up against their own aggressors in their own country. The Americans and NATO forces did not create an Afghan country where people had to fear for their lives every single day, from their own brothers and government. It was there when we came and it will be there when we leave because in all Islamic countries, leadership starts and ends with fear, threats, and reprisals for any who do not fall into line. Bin Laden has been found and dealt with. That was the mission. It's done. Country building is up to those who live in that country, and we just get in the way because our two cultures do not mesh well. If the Afghan people are to ever be successful in beating back their own criminal elements, then we will have to be out of their way.
March 12, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.RECOMMENDED3
对这次事件中死去的人表示悲痛，但是我实在不懂为啥人们这次小题大做。一个孤独的抢手发疯了杀了一批人。他会被审判的。也许我们会发现原因。同时阿富汗的塔利班，基地组织可以自由的出入村镇强奸，杀人，折磨他们自己的村民。没有人说任何事情。多希望看到阿富汗人民能自己起来反抗这些人。美国和北约是来帮助阿富汗人民的，我们把他们从屠杀，强奸，折磨中解救出来。我们走了以后，这个国家还会变成原来的样子。所有的MSL国家都是靠恐惧来统治的。那些不同意的人会被杀死。我们抓到了本拉登。我们帮了他们很大的忙。如果阿富汗人民还想回到那种罪恶的社会，那美国人民真是要离开了。
If I hear Obama refer to these men -- among them being people who kill "the enemy" and urinate on their bodies, kill randomly and pose with the bodies and cut off fingers and ears of the dead for sport and trophy, massacre innocents and beat prisoners to death (as was doen a number of times in Bagram) or burn the holy book of the people they are suppose to protect -- I think next time I hear Obama or Clinton refer to "our troops" as heros, I am going to be sick to my stomoch.
如果奥巴马总统口中的英雄中有这些人：这些人把平民当敌人杀，在他们尸体上撒尿，随机屠杀并且切下他们的指头和耳朵作为战利品，屠杀无辜的平民，虐待囚犯致死，焚烧那些我们要保护的人的可兰经。那么下次我听到奥巴马或者系来历口中在称我们的部队为英雄，我真的会恶心的要吐的。
It is not such sick (likely ignorant ractist) fools who commit this massacre and other stupid acts who are primarily at fault, however. The real cuprits are the whole system of hyper-nationalism and "the military-industrial complex", of which we the public are a part of.
March 12, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.RECOMMENDED3
其实我们可以把所有的问题都归在那些个人身上。但是其实这个问题的根源在于我们的军工支持的国家体系。
Kaafir Against MohammadManchester
I agree there is no excuse however you cant blame a man who has lost his marbles. At best you can look at what caused him to loose it....
March 12, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.RECOMMENDED3
我觉得这个屠杀是无可置疑的，但是我们也要理解这个杀手的动机，最少我们要知道他为啥要这么做
dolorosaVineland
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I believe this may be the impetus to get out of Afghanistan NOW! i am very sorry for the innocent victims in Afghanistan as well as the servicemen who were killed after the accidental burning of the Quoran! There is no doubt in my mind that the army sergeant who confessed to these murders is a victim of PTSD. I am sure that there are many, many others who may be on the edge. This should be the turning point to vacate Afghanistan ASAP. I, for one, am writing to President Obama as well as my congressmen to express my views, and I urge other concerned citizens to do the same. This has gone on long enough, and there can be no doubt that if we continue to stay in Afghanistan the situation there will deteriorate rapidly, resulting in more bloodshed.
我认为现在我们该撤离阿富汗了，对这次战争中牺牲的阿富汗人和我们的士兵我感到非常的遗憾。这次的杀手绝对是战后综合症的受害者。肯定有很多其他的士兵也在崩溃的边缘
赶紧离开阿富汗吧，越快越好。我已经给总统和议员们写信了。其他人也应该这么做。我们在阿富汗呆的越久就会有越多的麻烦。
iceman_007 发表于 2012-3-13 10:24 ![]()
mujahideen是圣战者的意思，不是什么mujahideen人。
多谢指正
mujahideen是圣战者的意思，不是什么mujahideen人。
多谢指正
MD政府打仗，从来不需要P民的答应
白皮朱作为海盗的传人，其基因里就有那种打一炮跑个地方接着打下一炮的个性，今天嚎叫要回家，晚上又哭闹着要去伊朗干炮。
我想这些民意还不足以影响决策层，屠杀还会继续，除非他们进行革命
哪个长篇大论的说什么＂恐怖统治＂的才是主流，FFJY们永远是少数。
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DakotaNew Mexico
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Ok, I don't uphold anyone killing anyone. This soldier included. But it seems strange American lives can be taken over the burning of a book ( one example) , Taliban whereabouts can be hidden by the Afghani people to assist in the taking of American lives.
But somehow its only wrong if its an American who crosses the line? Their all crossing the line.
首先我觉得杀人是不对的。但是很奇怪的是美国士兵死了好几个了，就因为烧了一本书。塔利班藏在平民中夺取了好多美国人的生命。为啥总是责怪美国人呢，大家都有错误。
As far as I'm concerned, at this point, America needs to pull out of the middle east. Build its own defenses to a level not seen in history. And I mean the sort of lean mean machine Clinton had pressed for not the defense stock padding sort we've had since Clintons endeavors were thrown to the wind by the following administration.
就我来说，我觉得美国应该退出中东，建设一个人类历史上最强大的防御体系。那种克林顿总统提倡的防御体系，而不是后克林顿时代的防御体系。
The middle east countries want to self implode? Fine, let them do it. This includes Israel who has been pitching for war for some time now.
I'd rather see america become much more self sustaining than it currently is. More neutral than it currently is.
The only reason America continues to involve itself in every single disturbance around the world is padding the defense stocks. Enough is enough.
We need to go green on a major scale. Break our reliance on foreign fossil fuels. I don't mean tap ours and leave our reserves empty. Its not a renewable resource so we better start thinking to the future.
中东国家想要自取灭亡，没问题。包括以色列在内，所有国家都要陷入战争。我更希望美国更加的独立，不要掺于任何一方。美国参加每一场战争的原因就是要消耗库存，够了，我们需要绿色国防。不要在依靠石油了，为未来想想吧。
Its time for America to move onward and upward. Leave yesterdays dependency behind. Yes, it costs. But how many generations do we kick this can down the road?Its time to do whats needed.
为美国的未来想想吧，不要再依赖石油了，这样是很难，但是我们的子孙会感谢我们的。
DakotaNew Mexico
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Ok, I don't uphold anyone killing anyone. This soldier included. But it seems strange American lives can be taken over the burning of a book ( one example) , Taliban whereabouts can be hidden by the Afghani people to assist in the taking of American lives.
But somehow its only wrong if its an American who crosses the line? Their all crossing the line.
首先我觉得杀人是不对的。但是很奇怪的是美国士兵死了好几个了，就因为烧了一本书。塔利班藏在平民中夺取了好多美国人的生命。为啥总是责怪美国人呢，大家都有错误。
As far as I'm concerned, at this point, America needs to pull out of the middle east. Build its own defenses to a level not seen in history. And I mean the sort of lean mean machine Clinton had pressed for not the defense stock padding sort we've had since Clintons endeavors were thrown to the wind by the following administration.
就我来说，我觉得美国应该退出中东，建设一个人类历史上最强大的防御体系。那种克林顿总统提倡的防御体系，而不是后克林顿时代的防御体系。
The middle east countries want to self implode? Fine, let them do it. This includes Israel who has been pitching for war for some time now.
I'd rather see america become much more self sustaining than it currently is. More neutral than it currently is.
The only reason America continues to involve itself in every single disturbance around the world is padding the defense stocks. Enough is enough.
We need to go green on a major scale. Break our reliance on foreign fossil fuels. I don't mean tap ours and leave our reserves empty. Its not a renewable resource so we better start thinking to the future.
中东国家想要自取灭亡，没问题。包括以色列在内，所有国家都要陷入战争。我更希望美国更加的独立，不要掺于任何一方。美国参加每一场战争的原因就是要消耗库存，够了，我们需要绿色国防。不要在依靠石油了，为未来想想吧。
Its time for America to move onward and upward. Leave yesterdays dependency behind. Yes, it costs. But how many generations do we kick this can down the road?Its time to do whats needed.
为美国的未来想想吧，不要再依赖石油了，这样是很难，但是我们的子孙会感谢我们的。
米国银难道还能教训MD政府，还能让MD罢手？没有什么可以阻挡MD国会和国防部了。
MD的细民认识这样清楚，对天朝来说不是好事。我们的辉煌注定要与MD这样一个内生力极强的国家有更曲折的碰撞。谁都自认天命所归，但愿最终两国能相忍为安！
可惜MD的决策根本不会受影响
当然 可以民煮的YX然后民煮的被抓起来几个
当然 可以民煮的YX然后民煮的被抓起来几个
美国普通人民不能决定国家方向。决定美国国家方向的是军火商、军方、战略规划部门、华尔街。
哎，现在的世道啊，什么南方系横行....
导致的结果就是： 中，美两国的人民，都认为自己的政府是邪恶的...
尼玛，这也太搞了
导致的结果就是： 中，美两国的人民，都认为自己的政府是邪恶的...
尼玛，这也太搞了
这样的报道毫无意义
静观美国人的审判
99%的卢瑟而已
呵呵，能留言的都是少数。
CNN,FOX一洗脑，民众又开始叫好了。
CNN,FOX一洗脑，民众又开始叫好了。
I know several people who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. They received heavy doses of drugs before being shipped out. While it is not public knowledge what those cocktails were, it seems clear to me that some of them were psychiatric. Now, if you put two and two together and remember the whistle-blowing about such drugs a couple of years ago, by now it is clear that those drugs are likely to cause more damage than good. Shipping the same people back over and over has been covered even by the media in recent years, yet when Americans were checked out in 2006 or so, only one in three young people were physically fit for military service. I keep wondering how many of the remaining 33% would have been willing to go overseas to die for a reason that is still unclear. It seems that the American taxpayer is the primary victim of these wars, and corporations come out as the sole winners. (Did you know that in the past 10 years, we spent $20 billion a year in Afghanistan only to air condition military tents? Did you know that 92% of that money could have been saved by using insulated tents? -- source: TIME Magazine -- Somehow, nobody wanted to save that money. Sure enough, others did want to make it...)
我认识好几个在伊拉克和阿富汗服役的人，他们在离开美国之前会服用一种药剂。这种药剂的成分公众并不知晓。我认为这些药剂是控制精神药剂。现在开来这些药剂造成了严重的后果。同一批人不停的去海外服役，压力肯定很大。2006年，一个调查表明只有三分之一的人符合服役的条件。我不由得想这1/3人中有多少人愿意去海外送死呢？看来美国的纳税人是最大的受害者。美国的大公司是最大的受益者。（你知道么，过去10年历，我们花了200亿美元空调费。如果用保温的帐篷，我们能节省92%的开支--来源时代周刊）但是没有人想要省这个钱，当然了，这也是拉动内需么
我认识好几个在伊拉克和阿富汗服役的人，他们在离开美国之前会服用一种药剂。这种药剂的成分公众并不知晓。我认为这些药剂是控制精神药剂。现在开来这些药剂造成了严重的后果。同一批人不停的去海外服役，压力肯定很大。2006年，一个调查表明只有三分之一的人符合服役的条件。我不由得想这1/3人中有多少人愿意去海外送死呢？看来美国的纳税人是最大的受害者。美国的大公司是最大的受益者。（你知道么，过去10年历，我们花了200亿美元空调费。如果用保温的帐篷，我们能节省92%的开支--来源时代周刊）但是没有人想要省这个钱，当然了，这也是拉动内需么
坐等jy呼吁:"今夜我们都是阿富汗人"
MD的P民原来认为古兰经只是一本书而已哇。。。
帝国坟场啊 新坑挖好了没有
帝国坟场啊 新坑挖好了没有
池鱼思故渊 发表于 2012-3-13 10:17 ![]()
美国军火商华尔街大老板们已经惹怒美国人民了，不过这毫无意义
都是嘴炮啊
美国军火商华尔街大老板们已经惹怒美国人民了，不过这毫无意义
都是嘴炮啊
当美国人自己数落自己的时候，国内的jy们还在拼命的为侵略者洗地，这是神马样的一种精神病哦
lxzch 发表于 2012-3-13 12:01 ![]()
坐等jy呼吁:"今夜我们都是阿富汗人"
错了，他们会喊，今夜我们都是神经病
坐等jy呼吁:"今夜我们都是阿富汗人"
错了，他们会喊，今夜我们都是神经病
美国人民开始懊悔了吗？开始良心发现了吗？
美国老百姓还是相对很正直的，至少己方的错误敢承认。凭心而论，类似的事情中、日、韩等东方国家是绝不会承认的，多半春秋笔法，把己方作为加害者的一面隐去，作为受害者的一面突出。
老霉的民煮其实是富豪、军火商和政客的独裁。
azerenals 发表于 2012-3-13 12:04 ![]()
MD的P民原来认为古兰经只是一本书而已哇。。。
帝国坟场啊 新坑挖好了没有
圣经也只是一本书嘛
居然有这么多西方高等文明人对着一本书宣誓耶
MD的P民原来认为古兰经只是一本书而已哇。。。
帝国坟场啊 新坑挖好了没有
圣经也只是一本书嘛
居然有这么多西方高等文明人对着一本书宣誓耶
绝不会承认
tomcat650093 发表于 2012-3-13 10:25 ![]()
你们的士兵在外面抛头颅撒热血,你们在后面唱反调,太不象话了.
这不正是JY们羡慕的猪油猛煮吗?
你们的士兵在外面抛头颅撒热血,你们在后面唱反调,太不象话了.
这不正是JY们羡慕的猪油猛煮吗?
如果法西斯美帝再能在阿富汗耗上十年就好了
美国老百姓还是相对很正直的，至少己方的错误敢承认。凭心而论，类似的事情中、日、韩等东方国家是绝不会承 ...
胡扯，这事如果是中国，那么这个士兵一定会被判死刑，而且百姓绝不会有太多的反对，你那正直高尚的美爹行吗？
胡扯，这事如果是中国，那么这个士兵一定会被判死刑，而且百姓绝不会有太多的反对，你那正直高尚的美爹行吗？
我擦，一定是我打开电脑的方式不对！
这样的报道毫无意义
我希望美军和北约军队不要理会这点小事，继续坚守在阿富汗，绝不动摇