关于埃及的新导弹快艇,非常坑爹

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http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1257899-1-1.html

这则原始新闻的中文资料很多都OUT了。

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=537407730#post537407730

New Missile Craft for Egypt Delivered
By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS
Published: 26 Oct 2011 12:20


The first of four new fast missile craft for Egypt was dedicated Oct. 25 at a shipyard in Pascagoula, Miss., and the ship's name was announced.

The S. Ezzat is named after Soliman Ezzat, the admiral who founded and led the modern Egyptian Navy from 1953 to 1967, shipbuilder VT Halter Marine said in a press release.


Construction of the ship began in a newly built fabrication facility at VT Halter in November 2009 under a U.S. Navy Foreign Military Sales program managed by the U.S. Navy's Naval Sea Systems Command.

The original contract for the program was awarded to VT Halter in November 2005. Since then, the U.S. has awarded the shipbuilder more than $800 million for the ships.

Also known as the Ambassador III class, the stealthy, 550-ton ships are 207 feet long. They are powered by three MTU diesels and designed for a top speed of 41 knots. The ships are armed with eight Harpoon surface-to-surface missiles and an OTO Melara 3-inch gun, with self-defense provided by a Rolling Airframe Missile launcher and a Close-In Weapon System Block 1B. They are designed to operate at sea for up to eight days.

The Egyptian Navy operates several classes of fast missile ships, built in the Soviet Union, Germany and Britain, but the last was delivered in 1982.


The Ezzat is expected to leave Mississippi for Egypt during 2012.

Construction continues on the other three ships: F. Zekry, M. Fahmy and A. Gad. The last ship is contracted for delivery in December 2013.


所以实际上这个案子到了2005年11月才正式签约执行(因为透过FMA管道,所以是美国海上系统司令部主导与发包等等),2009年11月开始建造首艇。

相信很多人看到「美国与船厂方面签署超过8亿美元」那段,头皮已经开始发麻。




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador_MK_III_Missile_Boat

更详细的过程wiki百科有人写了:

On 03 January 2001, Halter Marine announced that it had been selected by the Egyptian Navy[16][17] to provide three Ambassador Mk III class fast attack craft. The program was valued at USD 406M (US$ 200M from FMA and USD 206M financed over five years), including construction, all weapons, integration, spare parts and technical services. Industry sources suggest that the program was under-bidded by as much as 33%, to assure a Halter Marine contract. Privately, the Egyptian Navy also expressed concern over the cheapness of the price quoted, and initially demanded a high-priced performance bond to guarantee the delivery, and assurances that there would be no cost overruns.

On 01 July 2001, the Egyptian Armament Authority approved the contract, and forwarded it to the Ministry of Defense for final approval before the end of 2001, with construction commencing in 2002. The first unit is scheduled to be delivered by 2005 followed by one unit per year valued at USD 101.5M each

这个合约在2001年初落入Halter Marine船厂的口袋里,主因是该厂报出4.06亿美元的超低价(就是中文新闻里的价码),比埃及海军的底标足足低了33%,这个数字还是包山包海(船体、作战装备、技术支援、零件弹药)。而这个称为Ambassador III的设计,还是个先前没有任何实绩、投标时只有一纸规格的新东西。信不信由你,反正埃及政府信了;倒是埃及海军不怎么信,他们要求高额保证金来保证如期、如预算完工。原本计画首艇要在2002年开工,2005年交付。

A construction contract for the three FAC was expected to be completed by the end of 2004. Industry sources indicate that the program remained in limbo until January 2005 due to significant numbers of technical questions that were posed by all parties. These issues were apparently resolved at a meeting in Alexandria in January 2005.

结果,到了2004年底,什么都没有。各方都在质疑这种全新设计有诸多问题,直到2005年初美国埃及会商之后才走得下去。

Phase I began in December 2005, when VT Halter Marine signed a USD 28.8M contract with the US Department of Defense to develop a functional design for a fast missile craft (FMC) for the Egyptian Navy. Under this phase, VT Halter Marine conducted analytical, design, engineering and model testing for the FMC. The effort included preparation for the integration of C4ISR as well as a combat system effectiveness study to validate the FMC system requirements. The first phase was completed in December 2006.[22]

到2005年12月,美国国防部终于颁合约给VT Halter Marine船厂,开始Phase I的初步设计,从船型设计、船模测试等从头开始,在2006年结束前完成。

Phase II (following the successful completion of Phase I) began in September 2008 and is for the design and construction of the four new FAC (including option for the fourth unit). The total contract value is now estimated at USD 1.29B (including systems) for the four units. The four vessels will probably be complete by 2014. The US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) is managing the program.

到2008年9月,终于进入第二阶段(Phase II),中间又空窗超过1 年半。然后,整个计画的造价规模也水落石出:比原计画落后约6年,四艘总共是坑爹的13亿美元。

怎么看都觉得埃及被钓鱼了,以埃及相当全面的装备规格,加上一个全新开发的船型,厂商报价还比底标低超过30%,怎么看都不太现实。

In May 2010, Egyptian Navy was in discussions concerning the procurement of two additional units (five and six). These units could begin around 2014.[24]

Construction began in 2001 for the missile boat units. One will be delivered in 2011, one delivered in 2012, one will be delivered in 2013 and the last one in final phase of construction and to be delivered in 2014.

四艘预定在2011到2014年交付,埃及还打算购买第五、第六艘。当然这都是穆巴拉克下台之前的事,以后就再说了。




http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1257899-1-1.html

这则原始新闻的中文资料很多都OUT了。

http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?p=537407730#post537407730

New Missile Craft for Egypt Delivered
By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS
Published: 26 Oct 2011 12:20


The first of four new fast missile craft for Egypt was dedicated Oct. 25 at a shipyard in Pascagoula, Miss., and the ship's name was announced.

The S. Ezzat is named after Soliman Ezzat, the admiral who founded and led the modern Egyptian Navy from 1953 to 1967, shipbuilder VT Halter Marine said in a press release.


Construction of the ship began in a newly built fabrication facility at VT Halter in November 2009 under a U.S. Navy Foreign Military Sales program managed by the U.S. Navy's Naval Sea Systems Command.

The original contract for the program was awarded to VT Halter in November 2005. Since then, the U.S. has awarded the shipbuilder more than $800 million for the ships.

Also known as the Ambassador III class, the stealthy, 550-ton ships are 207 feet long. They are powered by three MTU diesels and designed for a top speed of 41 knots. The ships are armed with eight Harpoon surface-to-surface missiles and an OTO Melara 3-inch gun, with self-defense provided by a Rolling Airframe Missile launcher and a Close-In Weapon System Block 1B. They are designed to operate at sea for up to eight days.

The Egyptian Navy operates several classes of fast missile ships, built in the Soviet Union, Germany and Britain, but the last was delivered in 1982.


The Ezzat is expected to leave Mississippi for Egypt during 2012.

Construction continues on the other three ships: F. Zekry, M. Fahmy and A. Gad. The last ship is contracted for delivery in December 2013.


所以实际上这个案子到了2005年11月才正式签约执行(因为透过FMA管道,所以是美国海上系统司令部主导与发包等等),2009年11月开始建造首艇。

相信很多人看到「美国与船厂方面签署超过8亿美元」那段,头皮已经开始发麻。




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador_MK_III_Missile_Boat

更详细的过程wiki百科有人写了:

On 03 January 2001, Halter Marine announced that it had been selected by the Egyptian Navy[16][17] to provide three Ambassador Mk III class fast attack craft. The program was valued at USD 406M (US$ 200M from FMA and USD 206M financed over five years), including construction, all weapons, integration, spare parts and technical services. Industry sources suggest that the program was under-bidded by as much as 33%, to assure a Halter Marine contract. Privately, the Egyptian Navy also expressed concern over the cheapness of the price quoted, and initially demanded a high-priced performance bond to guarantee the delivery, and assurances that there would be no cost overruns.

On 01 July 2001, the Egyptian Armament Authority approved the contract, and forwarded it to the Ministry of Defense for final approval before the end of 2001, with construction commencing in 2002. The first unit is scheduled to be delivered by 2005 followed by one unit per year valued at USD 101.5M each

这个合约在2001年初落入Halter Marine船厂的口袋里,主因是该厂报出4.06亿美元的超低价(就是中文新闻里的价码),比埃及海军的底标足足低了33%,这个数字还是包山包海(船体、作战装备、技术支援、零件弹药)。而这个称为Ambassador III的设计,还是个先前没有任何实绩、投标时只有一纸规格的新东西。信不信由你,反正埃及政府信了;倒是埃及海军不怎么信,他们要求高额保证金来保证如期、如预算完工。原本计画首艇要在2002年开工,2005年交付。

A construction contract for the three FAC was expected to be completed by the end of 2004. Industry sources indicate that the program remained in limbo until January 2005 due to significant numbers of technical questions that were posed by all parties. These issues were apparently resolved at a meeting in Alexandria in January 2005.

结果,到了2004年底,什么都没有。各方都在质疑这种全新设计有诸多问题,直到2005年初美国埃及会商之后才走得下去。

Phase I began in December 2005, when VT Halter Marine signed a USD 28.8M contract with the US Department of Defense to develop a functional design for a fast missile craft (FMC) for the Egyptian Navy. Under this phase, VT Halter Marine conducted analytical, design, engineering and model testing for the FMC. The effort included preparation for the integration of C4ISR as well as a combat system effectiveness study to validate the FMC system requirements. The first phase was completed in December 2006.[22]

到2005年12月,美国国防部终于颁合约给VT Halter Marine船厂,开始Phase I的初步设计,从船型设计、船模测试等从头开始,在2006年结束前完成。

Phase II (following the successful completion of Phase I) began in September 2008 and is for the design and construction of the four new FAC (including option for the fourth unit). The total contract value is now estimated at USD 1.29B (including systems) for the four units. The four vessels will probably be complete by 2014. The US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) is managing the program.

到2008年9月,终于进入第二阶段(Phase II),中间又空窗超过1 年半。然后,整个计画的造价规模也水落石出:比原计画落后约6年,四艘总共是坑爹的13亿美元。

怎么看都觉得埃及被钓鱼了,以埃及相当全面的装备规格,加上一个全新开发的船型,厂商报价还比底标低超过30%,怎么看都不太现实。

In May 2010, Egyptian Navy was in discussions concerning the procurement of two additional units (five and six). These units could begin around 2014.[24]

Construction began in 2001 for the missile boat units. One will be delivered in 2011, one delivered in 2012, one will be delivered in 2013 and the last one in final phase of construction and to be delivered in 2014.

四艘预定在2011到2014年交付,埃及还打算购买第五、第六艘。当然这都是穆巴拉克下台之前的事,以后就再说了。


又是一个钓鱼项目啊
这种项目,一般都是拿美国军援资金(Foreign Security Assistance)买的
埃及每年有20多亿的美国军援,比以色列都多
埃及当年那些F-16,M1,佩里诺克斯,都是这么来的

干爹把资金回流到自己口袋里,埃及自己反正也掏不了几个钱,涨就涨呗
pheonix 发表于 2011-10-30 03:46
这种项目,一般都是拿美国军援资金(Foreign Security Assistance)买的
埃及每年有20多亿的美国军援,比以 ...
所以叫坑爹,坑美国干爹。
穆巴拉克都倒台了,这个还继续吗?

drakan 发表于 2011-10-30 10:25
穆巴拉克都倒台了,这个还继续吗?


这是必须的,每年的保护费是要交的,不要以为把穆哥摔下台了,就想赖皮了。

其实一年一艘航母钱还是花算的。

真希望MD能雄起一把,从现在起就坚决不交这屈辱的保护费,试试看。


左边:MD     最右边:以色列    中间:阿土伯    后面围观群众:TG

drakan 发表于 2011-10-30 10:25
穆巴拉克都倒台了,这个还继续吗?


这是必须的,每年的保护费是要交的,不要以为把穆哥摔下台了,就想赖皮了。

其实一年一艘航母钱还是花算的。

真希望MD能雄起一把,从现在起就坚决不交这屈辱的保护费,试试看。


左边:MD     最右边:以色列    中间:阿土伯    后面围观群众:TG

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这个,坑爹是必须的。否则怎么向各方交代呢
伊朗门发来贺电
4亿涨到12亿, 其实是可以换算成人民币钓鱼了
都是美国干爹自己的钱


按西方说法:穆巴拉克独裁,军队权势很大,军费又由美国援助,埃美友好。

美国军工联合体同埃及权贵一同玩掏山姆大叔口袋的游戏。


按西方说法:穆巴拉克独裁,军队权势很大,军费又由美国援助,埃美友好。

美国军工联合体同埃及权贵一同玩掏山姆大叔口袋的游戏。
埃及咋想到从美国订呢?看他提出的指标,从德国或者法国订购完全可以,莫非被美国军援限制?
从这里也可见美国国内军工复合体的势力
美国军援的资金必须买美国军事装备
美国企业通过埃及坑美国军援,体制问题……