毛子已卖了近1000台AL-31给TG，今年签了2单在谈一单，巴 ...

在巴铁论坛看到的：

第一单是150台AL-31F替换老苏-27/30

第二单是120台AL-31FN给歼-10的已经交货

在谈140台AL-31FN估计10月签约，毛子现在已经来不及作

以单台300万美金计，毛子单单AL-31已经和TG签了30亿美刀{:soso_e103:}


下面还有位巴铁论坛的（不知道是不是CD的{:soso_e104:} ）认为TH产量不够要等到2014年第二条生产线上线才行{:soso_e100:}



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Big New Chinese Order for Russian Fighter Engines
AIN Defense Perspective » October 3, 2011


Russia has now sold nearly 1,000 AL-31 engines to China, where they power J-10 and J-11 fighters. (Photo: Vladimir Karnozov)
October 3, 2011, 4:45 AM

China has placed additional orders for Russian AL-31-series fighter engines. State arms trade agency Rosoboronexport clinched two big contracts earlier this year. One is for more than 150 AL-31Fs as replacements for earlier engines of same type that power the Su-27/Su-30MKK/MK2 fighters, that are designated J-11 in China. Engines under this contract will be assembled by the Ufa-based UMPO factory.

The second contract is for more than 120 AL-31FN engines to power newly built Chengdu J-10 fighters. Engines under this contract are already being delivered, from the Moscow-based Salut plant.

Speaking to AIN at the Aviation Expo 2011 in Beijing, Salut general director Vladislav Masalov said that negotiations continue on a second batch of nearly 140 AL-31FNs and that a follow-on contract is expected to be signed in October.

Masalov further said that the grand total of Salut-made AL-31 series engines in China “is nearing one thousand units.” To serve them, Salut has established partnerships with Limin Corp. and Tyan Li company in Chengdu on deliveries and manufacturing of spare parts for both the AL-31F and the AL-31FN. Russia has also agreed to provide all necessary maintenance and repair documentation to the Chinese partners. Salut faces many issues pertaining to ramping up production to fill these big Chinese orders, Masalov said. This year the company must increase its production output by 30 to 40 percent to fulfill the Chinese contracts. “Certainly there is some pressure on us, with bottlenecks being metal and vendor items,” Masalov said.

Meanwhile, Salut is negotiating the sale of another 40 AL-31FM1 engines to the Russian Air Force for the Su-27SM upgrade. Twelve have already been ordered. Talks to supply AL-31FM2 versions for the Su-34 continue, Masalov said.


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The engine is a complicated issue.it's hard to say the J-10B will not use the AL-31fn,it's a quantity problem that the current FWS-10s production capacity is not big enough to feed the needs. The Niming factory just reached 100 copies of the FWS-10 seriers capacity in 2010 by the official AVIC newspaper report,in 2009 and 2010 they needed to fit the FWS-10s on:
1.around 50 J-11Bs that had no engines and sat on the SAC airfield for two years due to the FWS-10 issue on 2007/2008
2.every year 40 new J-11Bs produced by the SAC and soon 10 copies of the J-15 for the navy
So there's no FWS-10s left for the J-10s which has to rely on the AL-31FN.The situation can only change until 2014 when the second FWS-10 production line is set and reach a 200+ copies capacity.The Niming factory still need time to train the workers making them experenced.Untill 2014 we can talk to fit the FWS-10s massivelly on the J-10s and export it.What will happen to the FWS-10 mostlikely will be:
1.In 2012 a 110 copies capacity reached to fit on 50 J-11s and J-15,40 J-10A and J-10B in CAC have to rely on the AL-31FN
2.In 2013 a 140 copies capactity reached,110 for the J-11s and j-15,rest 30 for the J-10s
3.In 2014 a new line is set to reach 220 copies,110 for the J-11s and J-15,50 for the J-10Bs and the rest to replace the AL-31FN that fitted in the J-10As since 2004 which will need the MLU during the time frame

在巴铁论坛看到的：

第一单是150台AL-31F替换老苏-27/30

第二单是120台AL-31FN给歼-10的已经交货

在谈140台AL-31FN估计10月签约，毛子现在已经来不及作

以单台300万美金计，毛子单单AL-31已经和TG签了30亿美刀{:soso_e103:}


下面还有位巴铁论坛的（不知道是不是CD的{:soso_e104:} ）认为TH产量不够要等到2014年第二条生产线上线才行{:soso_e100:}



http://www.defence.pk/forums/mil ... 36.html#post2173924

http://www.ainonline.com/?q=avia ... ian-fighter-engines

Big New Chinese Order for Russian Fighter Engines
AIN Defense Perspective » October 3, 2011


Russia has now sold nearly 1,000 AL-31 engines to China, where they power J-10 and J-11 fighters. (Photo: Vladimir Karnozov)
October 3, 2011, 4:45 AM

China has placed additional orders for Russian AL-31-series fighter engines. State arms trade agency Rosoboronexport clinched two big contracts earlier this year. One is for more than 150 AL-31Fs as replacements for earlier engines of same type that power the Su-27/Su-30MKK/MK2 fighters, that are designated J-11 in China. Engines under this contract will be assembled by the Ufa-based UMPO factory.

The second contract is for more than 120 AL-31FN engines to power newly built Chengdu J-10 fighters. Engines under this contract are already being delivered, from the Moscow-based Salut plant.

Speaking to AIN at the Aviation Expo 2011 in Beijing, Salut general director Vladislav Masalov said that negotiations continue on a second batch of nearly 140 AL-31FNs and that a follow-on contract is expected to be signed in October.

Masalov further said that the grand total of Salut-made AL-31 series engines in China “is nearing one thousand units.” To serve them, Salut has established partnerships with Limin Corp. and Tyan Li company in Chengdu on deliveries and manufacturing of spare parts for both the AL-31F and the AL-31FN. Russia has also agreed to provide all necessary maintenance and repair documentation to the Chinese partners. Salut faces many issues pertaining to ramping up production to fill these big Chinese orders, Masalov said. This year the company must increase its production output by 30 to 40 percent to fulfill the Chinese contracts. “Certainly there is some pressure on us, with bottlenecks being metal and vendor items,” Masalov said.

Meanwhile, Salut is negotiating the sale of another 40 AL-31FM1 engines to the Russian Air Force for the Su-27SM upgrade. Twelve have already been ordered. Talks to supply AL-31FM2 versions for the Su-34 continue, Masalov said.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/mil ... 34.html#post2136349

The engine is a complicated issue.it's hard to say the J-10B will not use the AL-31fn,it's a quantity problem that the current FWS-10s production capacity is not big enough to feed the needs. The Niming factory just reached 100 copies of the FWS-10 seriers capacity in 2010 by the official AVIC newspaper report,in 2009 and 2010 they needed to fit the FWS-10s on:
1.around 50 J-11Bs that had no engines and sat on the SAC airfield for two years due to the FWS-10 issue on 2007/2008
2.every year 40 new J-11Bs produced by the SAC and soon 10 copies of the J-15 for the navy
So there's no FWS-10s left for the J-10s which has to rely on the AL-31FN.The situation can only change until 2014 when the second FWS-10 production line is set and reach a 200+ copies capacity.The Niming factory still need time to train the workers making them experenced.Untill 2014 we can talk to fit the FWS-10s massivelly on the J-10s and export it.What will happen to the FWS-10 mostlikely will be:
1.In 2012 a 110 copies capacity reached to fit on 50 J-11s and J-15,40 J-10A and J-10B in CAC have to rely on the AL-31FN
2.In 2013 a 140 copies capactity reached,110 for the J-11s and j-15,rest 30 for the J-10s
3.In 2014 a new line is set to reach 220 copies,110 for the J-11s and J-15,50 for the J-10Bs and the rest to replace the AL-31FN that fitted in the J-10As since 2004 which will need the MLU during the time frame