超级军网母亲节前后，J20 HKC,F22 BKC,美国军坛各色KC
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英语一般,高手们发现问题尽管仍砖
1.1. 简氏
The available data supports the proposition that the J-20, once fully developed, will be a high performance stealth aircraft, arguably capable of competing in most cardinal performance parameters (i.e. speed, altitude, stealth, agility) with the United States F-22A Raptor, and superior in most if not all cardinal performance parameters against the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
已知数据表明J-20一旦成熟，会是高性能匿踪（lz:丫的我喜欢这个词，下同）战机,大部分主要性能参数（速度，高度，匿踪,灵活)可以F22A猛禽媲美,超过大部分（如果不是全部）F35联合打击战机性能.
If the engines deliver 40,000 – 50,000 lb class thrust performance, the J-20 will be viable as an air combat fighter, air defense interceptor and deep strike fighter. If thrust performance falls below this benchmark, the aircraft would lack the agility for close air combat, but still be very effective as an interceptor or bomber.
如果发动机能提供40,000,50,000磅推力,J-20有望实现格斗，拦截，纵深打击.如果推力比这个小，灵活性就会差些，但做截击机和炸弹卡车完全没问题的。
The strategic impact of a mature production J-20, even if limited to strike roles alone, would be profound. With sufficiently good stealth performance to defeat air defense radars in the L-band through Ku-band, the aircraft could easily penetrate all air defense systems currently deployed in Asia. Even should the aircraft be tracked by a counter-stealth radar, the high altitude supersonic cruise penetration flight profile makes it extremely difficult to engage by fighter aircraft and Surface to Air Missiles. The only fighters deployed in the Pacific Rim with the raw performance to reliably intercept a supersonic J-20 are the F-22A Raptor and Russian MiG-31 Foxhound.
成熟的J20对战略影响深远，好的匿踪性能足以对付L-波段,Ku-波段防空雷达,可以很容易穿透现在所有部署在亚洲的防空系统。甚至即使反匿踪雷达能跟踪，但高度超音超巡渗透特性让它极其难以被战斗机和空蛋锁定。亚洲周边有能力拦截J-20的是F-22A和毛子米-31腊肠犬(lz:靠，原来31这样厉害的)
The size of the J-20 and resulting fuel fraction indicate that the aircraft will be able to cover the “First Island Chain” without aerial tanker support, and with tanker support, reach targets across the “Second Island Chain” on subsonic cruise profiles. Nearer targets would be accessible on supersonic cruise profiles .
J-20 size和与此对应的载油量表明此机能覆盖第一岛链，空中加油后用亚音速能到达第二岛链。
The strategic choices available to the United States and its allies for dealing with the J-20 are very limited; such is the potency of all aircraft combining stealth and supersonic cruise capabilities. These distill down to the deployment of large numbers of F-22A Raptor fighters in the region, and the development and deployment of “counter-stealth” radars operating in the HF, VHF, and UHF radio-frequency bands. Funding for the production of the F-22A was stopped in 2009, following an intensive political effort by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates. There is no program to fund the development and volume production of “counter-stealth” radars.
美国和盟国应付J-20的对策不多，这拉低了这一地区大量部署F-22A的数量和部署反匿踪雷达在HF,VFH和UHF雷达频宽
英语一般,高手们发现问题尽管仍砖
1.1. 简氏
The available data supports the proposition that the J-20, once fully developed, will be a high performance stealth aircraft, arguably capable of competing in most cardinal performance parameters (i.e. speed, altitude, stealth, agility) with the United States F-22A Raptor, and superior in most if not all cardinal performance parameters against the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
已知数据表明J-20一旦成熟，会是高性能匿踪（lz:丫的我喜欢这个词，下同）战机,大部分主要性能参数（速度，高度，匿踪,灵活)可以F22A猛禽媲美,超过大部分（如果不是全部）F35联合打击战机性能.
If the engines deliver 40,000 – 50,000 lb class thrust performance, the J-20 will be viable as an air combat fighter, air defense interceptor and deep strike fighter. If thrust performance falls below this benchmark, the aircraft would lack the agility for close air combat, but still be very effective as an interceptor or bomber.
如果发动机能提供40,000,50,000磅推力,J-20有望实现格斗，拦截，纵深打击.如果推力比这个小，灵活性就会差些，但做截击机和炸弹卡车完全没问题的。
The strategic impact of a mature production J-20, even if limited to strike roles alone, would be profound. With sufficiently good stealth performance to defeat air defense radars in the L-band through Ku-band, the aircraft could easily penetrate all air defense systems currently deployed in Asia. Even should the aircraft be tracked by a counter-stealth radar, the high altitude supersonic cruise penetration flight profile makes it extremely difficult to engage by fighter aircraft and Surface to Air Missiles. The only fighters deployed in the Pacific Rim with the raw performance to reliably intercept a supersonic J-20 are the F-22A Raptor and Russian MiG-31 Foxhound.
成熟的J20对战略影响深远，好的匿踪性能足以对付L-波段,Ku-波段防空雷达,可以很容易穿透现在所有部署在亚洲的防空系统。甚至即使反匿踪雷达能跟踪，但高度超音超巡渗透特性让它极其难以被战斗机和空蛋锁定。亚洲周边有能力拦截J-20的是F-22A和毛子米-31腊肠犬(lz:靠，原来31这样厉害的)
The size of the J-20 and resulting fuel fraction indicate that the aircraft will be able to cover the “First Island Chain” without aerial tanker support, and with tanker support, reach targets across the “Second Island Chain” on subsonic cruise profiles. Nearer targets would be accessible on supersonic cruise profiles .
J-20 size和与此对应的载油量表明此机能覆盖第一岛链，空中加油后用亚音速能到达第二岛链。
The strategic choices available to the United States and its allies for dealing with the J-20 are very limited; such is the potency of all aircraft combining stealth and supersonic cruise capabilities. These distill down to the deployment of large numbers of F-22A Raptor fighters in the region, and the development and deployment of “counter-stealth” radars operating in the HF, VHF, and UHF radio-frequency bands. Funding for the production of the F-22A was stopped in 2009, following an intensive political effort by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates. There is no program to fund the development and volume production of “counter-stealth” radars.
美国和盟国应付J-20的对策不多，这拉低了这一地区大量部署F-22A的数量和部署反匿踪雷达在HF,VFH和UHF雷达频宽
1.2 美国网友回应
As the U.S. and its allies proved in WWII, quantity can outgun quality in a war of attrition. If China brings this technology in numbers that threaten to saturate a western defense capabilty, then where will Gates be to defend his lofty decision?
所有美国和盟国已经在二战证明，在一场消耗站中，数量可以干过质量。如果中国把这个技术量产，叫盖茨如何自圆其说....
Gates can disagree all he wants. While I think this report is a bit sensational, keep in mind Sec Gates was the one who said it would be at least 2015 years before the PRC had a stealth fighter prototype and 20 years before they could field them. He's too enamored with UAVs/RPAs and his pet, the F-35.
盖茨打自己脸，虽然我认为报告有点哗众取宠,但想起盖茨说过2015才能有样机，2020年后才能部署，他太迷恋无人机(UAV)和遥控驾驶飞机(RPA)以及他的宠物F-35了
F-22 late, overbudget. F-35 late, overbudget. Carriers, subs, space systems late, overbudget. We need to get cost & schedule under control before priding ourselves on our superior technology. The Chinese are naturally going to brag and overstate the capabilities of this fighter to a degree, but it still shows that they are moving forward. In the past 15 years the Chinese have gone from an air force that largely consisted of MiG-21 copies to producing their own 4th generation fighters. Modern AESA radars will probably be able to detect the J-20 at a moderate range but it will be quite a challenge for most SAM systems and fighters in the region to deal with. Hence the reason the Japanese and South Koreans have shown interest in procuring 5th generation fighters. This platform will be far superior to our JSF and F-22. Good old waste of money Stealth has cost us dearly. We will never catch-up with China
F-22 延期,超预算. F35 延期,超预算. 航母,潜艇,太空系统延期,超预算(lz:求科普,连这些也超?). 洋洋得意超级技术前我们必须能控制费用和进度.中国人夸大飞机的能力,但仍然显示他们在进步.过去15年,中国空军已经从主要依靠米-21山寨转向自主生产自己的4代机,现代AESA雷达可能快可以在中等距离发现J-20,但是在那个地区大多数SAM导弹系统和飞机还是难以对付,相同原因,日本和韩国已经显出自己研发5代的兴趣. 这个平台将来远比我们的JSF和F-22先进(lz:太BKC!)还象以前那样浪费,我们永远也无法追上中国. 现在我们需要多少F-22?
1. The F-22 would likely have every advantage over the J-20. Too bad we don't have more.
1.F-22好象比J-20好很多,但糟糕的是我们没有更多的了.
2.The F-35 will have to rely on its greater stealth and better sensors since it will likely be at a major disadvantage in all traditional air-to-air fighter capabilities. That should give it a first shot advantage (at least initially). So if that stealth advantage is eroded over time (better ways to detect and track) the F-35 advantage may turn to disadvantage. It is also very limited in its internal carriage capability. The bigger J-20 may have a major advantage here too. The J-20s, if it can survive the AMRAAM first shots, may be able to overwhelm the F-35s with multiple shots and disengage as needed.
2. F35将来还是要依靠它高匿踪,高航电,这对传统空空弹是难题,这样我们可以发第一蛋.所以如果这些优势随着时间没了,F-35优势就变略势,它蛋仓小,J-20蛋囊大,如果他能在我们的第一轮高级中距空空蛋AMRAAM中幸存,他蛋多就可以用干挺我们然后凯旋.
3.Another major factor to figure in is the weapons. The USAF is looking at a new air-to-air missile which could dramatically change the balance. And what role will DE weapons and new ECM techniques play in the 2025 timeframe?
另外一个主要因素是武器,美国空军正在求可以显著改变平衡的新的空空蛋,这也是定向能武器和新的电子对抗技术在2025年前后要做的事情.
4.Other factors could also be big players like whose AWACS are working, whose datalinks are working etc.
另外一个因素也很重要,谁的预警机,谁的数据链等等强.
5.Still, you'd like to have the kinematic advantage, like the F-22 has, to limit the time you can be engaged/tracked, allow greater flexibility in choosing when/where to engage, and to help you disengage if required. The J-20 will likely have those advantages over the F-35. The F-35 will never have them and will likely become more and more vulnerable over time
另外就是机动,就象F-22,留给敌发现和跟踪的时间有限,给你更灵活的选择何时何地打击,让你更容易脱离.J-20在这些方便优于F-35,F-35很快就不会有这些优势变得越来越糟.
1.2 美国网友回应
As the U.S. and its allies proved in WWII, quantity can outgun quality in a war of attrition. If China brings this technology in numbers that threaten to saturate a western defense capabilty, then where will Gates be to defend his lofty decision?
所有美国和盟国已经在二战证明，在一场消耗站中，数量可以干过质量。如果中国把这个技术量产，叫盖茨如何自圆其说....
Gates can disagree all he wants. While I think this report is a bit sensational, keep in mind Sec Gates was the one who said it would be at least 2015 years before the PRC had a stealth fighter prototype and 20 years before they could field them. He's too enamored with UAVs/RPAs and his pet, the F-35.
盖茨打自己脸，虽然我认为报告有点哗众取宠,但想起盖茨说过2015才能有样机，2020年后才能部署，他太迷恋无人机(UAV)和遥控驾驶飞机(RPA)以及他的宠物F-35了
F-22 late, overbudget. F-35 late, overbudget. Carriers, subs, space systems late, overbudget. We need to get cost & schedule under control before priding ourselves on our superior technology. The Chinese are naturally going to brag and overstate the capabilities of this fighter to a degree, but it still shows that they are moving forward. In the past 15 years the Chinese have gone from an air force that largely consisted of MiG-21 copies to producing their own 4th generation fighters. Modern AESA radars will probably be able to detect the J-20 at a moderate range but it will be quite a challenge for most SAM systems and fighters in the region to deal with. Hence the reason the Japanese and South Koreans have shown interest in procuring 5th generation fighters. This platform will be far superior to our JSF and F-22. Good old waste of money Stealth has cost us dearly. We will never catch-up with China
F-22 延期,超预算. F35 延期,超预算. 航母,潜艇,太空系统延期,超预算(lz:求科普,连这些也超?). 洋洋得意超级技术前我们必须能控制费用和进度.中国人夸大飞机的能力,但仍然显示他们在进步.过去15年,中国空军已经从主要依靠米-21山寨转向自主生产自己的4代机,现代AESA雷达可能快可以在中等距离发现J-20,但是在那个地区大多数SAM导弹系统和飞机还是难以对付,相同原因,日本和韩国已经显出自己研发5代的兴趣. 这个平台将来远比我们的JSF和F-22先进(lz:太BKC!)还象以前那样浪费,我们永远也无法追上中国. 现在我们需要多少F-22?
1. The F-22 would likely have every advantage over the J-20. Too bad we don't have more.
1.F-22好象比J-20好很多,但糟糕的是我们没有更多的了.
2.The F-35 will have to rely on its greater stealth and better sensors since it will likely be at a major disadvantage in all traditional air-to-air fighter capabilities. That should give it a first shot advantage (at least initially). So if that stealth advantage is eroded over time (better ways to detect and track) the F-35 advantage may turn to disadvantage. It is also very limited in its internal carriage capability. The bigger J-20 may have a major advantage here too. The J-20s, if it can survive the AMRAAM first shots, may be able to overwhelm the F-35s with multiple shots and disengage as needed.
2. F35将来还是要依靠它高匿踪,高航电,这对传统空空弹是难题,这样我们可以发第一蛋.所以如果这些优势随着时间没了,F-35优势就变略势,它蛋仓小,J-20蛋囊大,如果他能在我们的第一轮高级中距空空蛋AMRAAM中幸存,他蛋多就可以用干挺我们然后凯旋.
3.Another major factor to figure in is the weapons. The USAF is looking at a new air-to-air missile which could dramatically change the balance. And what role will DE weapons and new ECM techniques play in the 2025 timeframe?
另外一个主要因素是武器,美国空军正在求可以显著改变平衡的新的空空蛋,这也是定向能武器和新的电子对抗技术在2025年前后要做的事情.
4.Other factors could also be big players like whose AWACS are working, whose datalinks are working etc.
另外一个因素也很重要,谁的预警机,谁的数据链等等强.
5.Still, you'd like to have the kinematic advantage, like the F-22 has, to limit the time you can be engaged/tracked, allow greater flexibility in choosing when/where to engage, and to help you disengage if required. The J-20 will likely have those advantages over the F-35. The F-35 will never have them and will likely become more and more vulnerable over time
另外就是机动,就象F-22,留给敌发现和跟踪的时间有限,给你更灵活的选择何时何地打击,让你更容易脱离.J-20在这些方便优于F-35,F-35很快就不会有这些优势变得越来越糟.
China is so rich these days it could build 20,000 J20s and pay cash up front. And it just gets better for every JSF we build on money loaned from China they will be able to build a J20 just with the interest
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱废话。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的毛泽东主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱废话。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的毛泽东主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
China is so rich these days it could build 20,000 J20s and pay cash up front. And it just gets better for every JSF we build on money loaned from China they will be able to build a J20 just with the interest
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱废话。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的毛泽东主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱废话。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的毛泽东主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
J-20 is a boogeyman, give us wads of more cash to build our new toys, or it will come to get you
J-20是一个夜魔,给我们多几捆钱弄些新玩意，否则它就会来抓你。
If Robert Gates thinks the global security situation doesn't warrant additional F-22's, I'm inclined to take his word for it.
如果罗伯特·盖茨认为全球安全形式不是增加F-22的理由，还是信他把
I still say the timing of the Chinese military's 'release' of information on this aircraft is extremely suspect given the F-22 is about to end production in November. It seems to me if they were wanting to field an aircraft who's only counter would be the F-22, it would make a lot more sense to keep it under wraps until production of the F-22 is over as opposed to before when we could simply flip a legislative switch and buy more F-22s.
I personally think the Chinese are simply trying to at the very least get us to spend money on defense we don't need to, or to spend on things we don't need in hopes we don't spend on things they are concerned about.
中国释放这个信息的时间真让人怀疑，我们正准备在十一月停产F22,在我看来，他们想部署一个仅仅F22能应付的飞机，而不是等F22停产，在我们聊几句就能买更多F-22这前就暴露不合理呀。我任为中国仅仅是想让我们把钱花在我们不需要花的地方，而让我们在他们真正担心的地方不花。(lz:中国最怕美国把钱花哪里?)
We need to focus our efforts on economic health and strategic R&D in disruptive technologies
回楼上，我们需要把注意力放在经济健康和研发
The Chinese have NO experience whatsoever maintaining a RAM coating on a production/deployed aircraft. When they get it, wake me up. When they develop from scratch their own production fighter engine, again, wake me up.
不管如何，中国完全没有维护吸波涂层的经验（lz:看来有和维护不一样，我们需要向F22那样不停刷漆吗?），当他们有时叫醒我，当他们有自己的发动机时，再次叫醒我。
China would never attack America!!! It would be insane the peace loving people of china simply all wish for puppies and kittens and have never EVER invaded another country! (which is basicly true except for-oh never mind they have had quite a history of that)
Ignoring that. What happens when they sell say a J-20 type fighter to say Iran, Venezuela, and others? Or SAMs capable of shooting down F-35's which really arent equiped to deal with it.
In 1939 the US front line fighter was no match for the german. By 1946 germany was one big european korean penensula.
中国永远不会打美国！！！，疯了，热爱和平的中国仅仅希望猫猫狗狗门平平安安，永远不侵略其他国家,多虑了，就是他们买J-20给伊朗，委内瑞拉和其他又怎样，卖能打下F35的SAM蛋有如何。
1939年,美国主战飞机没有德国好，但1946年后，德国不过是欧洲的朝鲜半岛而已。
J-20是一个夜魔,给我们多几捆钱弄些新玩意，否则它就会来抓你。
If Robert Gates thinks the global security situation doesn't warrant additional F-22's, I'm inclined to take his word for it.
如果罗伯特·盖茨认为全球安全形式不是增加F-22的理由，还是信他把
I still say the timing of the Chinese military's 'release' of information on this aircraft is extremely suspect given the F-22 is about to end production in November. It seems to me if they were wanting to field an aircraft who's only counter would be the F-22, it would make a lot more sense to keep it under wraps until production of the F-22 is over as opposed to before when we could simply flip a legislative switch and buy more F-22s.
I personally think the Chinese are simply trying to at the very least get us to spend money on defense we don't need to, or to spend on things we don't need in hopes we don't spend on things they are concerned about.
中国释放这个信息的时间真让人怀疑，我们正准备在十一月停产F22,在我看来，他们想部署一个仅仅F22能应付的飞机，而不是等F22停产，在我们聊几句就能买更多F-22这前就暴露不合理呀。我任为中国仅仅是想让我们把钱花在我们不需要花的地方，而让我们在他们真正担心的地方不花。(lz:中国最怕美国把钱花哪里?)
We need to focus our efforts on economic health and strategic R&D in disruptive technologies
回楼上，我们需要把注意力放在经济健康和研发
The Chinese have NO experience whatsoever maintaining a RAM coating on a production/deployed aircraft. When they get it, wake me up. When they develop from scratch their own production fighter engine, again, wake me up.
不管如何，中国完全没有维护吸波涂层的经验（lz:看来有和维护不一样，我们需要向F22那样不停刷漆吗?），当他们有时叫醒我，当他们有自己的发动机时，再次叫醒我。
China would never attack America!!! It would be insane the peace loving people of china simply all wish for puppies and kittens and have never EVER invaded another country! (which is basicly true except for-oh never mind they have had quite a history of that)
Ignoring that. What happens when they sell say a J-20 type fighter to say Iran, Venezuela, and others? Or SAMs capable of shooting down F-35's which really arent equiped to deal with it.
In 1939 the US front line fighter was no match for the german. By 1946 germany was one big european korean penensula.
中国永远不会打美国！！！，疯了，热爱和平的中国仅仅希望猫猫狗狗门平平安安，永远不侵略其他国家,多虑了，就是他们买J-20给伊朗，委内瑞拉和其他又怎样，卖能打下F35的SAM蛋有如何。
1939年,美国主战飞机没有德国好，但1946年后，德国不过是欧洲的朝鲜半岛而已。
I don't under stand why he totally discounts the F-35
1. The F-35 still has a significant RCS advantage over the J-20. The J-20 will have issues in the egrees because the rear isn't stealthy.
2. So you have a aircraft with enough fuel to reach close to 2000 miles out and is the size of the F-111 But it will turn greater than a F-22? That heavy of a plane simply wont beat the F-35 trying to out turn it at 9G.
3. How can you sneak past the F-35 F-22 screen when you don't know where they
are?
4. F-35s will be networked so once 1 planes sees a engine plume, Missile plume or anything else, every F-35 in theater will know it.
5. How will the Chinese all of a sudden come up with a 50,000LB engine when they haven't even mastered the stolen Russian engine design? Note how the F-22 is only 35,000+ of thrust per engine. Now you need enough engine power to make something the size of A F-111 out turn and burn that.
A old fighter jock once said " I can make the plane go fast, Have a heavy load, or go farther, but I cant make it do all three" This is the issue with the J-20. Its not gonna go fast, carry a 5000lb load, go 2000 miles out, then dog fight, and come home. It has to give up something.
我不理解为什么他完全忽略F-35
1.F35还是明显比J-20 RCS小,J-20还会出问题，它后部不匿踪
2. 你有油可以飞2000公里,大小和f111差不多，比F22大？9G的推重比无法让这个重型机打败F-35.
3. 你不知道F-35,F-22在哪里，你能溜走？
4. F-35s已经联网，如果一架机看到一个发动机或者导弹角，战场的其他F-35就知道
5. 中国如何突然就能有50,000磅发动机,他们甚至没有掌握从毛子那里顺来的发动机设计?注意F-22每个发动机才35,000+.你需要够大的发动机才能推起象F111这样大的JJ.(lz:靠我们J-20有这样大?)
一个老鸟曾经告诉我，我可以让飞机跑得快，拉得多，走得远，但我不能同时干，这也适用与J-20,不可能拉5000磅，走2000里，跑得快，然后狗斗，然后飞回,它要放弃一些东西.
I'm amazed at the short memories of all of you folks. For four weeks during the Libyan involvement by the US, several of us asked where are the F-22's and for four weeks we got a different answers, all lies.
At least one of those lies came directly off the lips of General Norton Schwartz, a General who wants to become the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I don't see how President Obama can appoint a general that is so dumb as to lie about something like this that even the village idiot know will come out into the public domain.
This is a creditability issue. The public must be able to believe there senior military officer is being honest and upfront with them, unless the lie is told regarding an obvious issue of National Security, the O2 system problem with an the F-22 as embarrassing to the manufacturer as it is, is not a National Security issue, but simply an effort to cover up a screw up by Lockheed Martin. General Schwartz obviously can't tell the difference between covering Lockheed's six and is not a National Security issue.
我惊讶你们这些家伙的记忆，四周前，美国参与利比亚，我们几个问F-22那里去了，我们得到不同答案，都是谎言。
至少一个从诺顿·施瓦兹直接出来，这人想成为下任参谋长联席会议主席，我想不通总统可以提名一个愚蠢和撒谎的人，他以为全地球人都是傻子。这是诚信问题, 公众必须能够相信他们面前高级军官，除非被高子这个一个国家安全问题，氧气系统真丢人，这不是国家安全问题，仅仅是掩盖洛克希德马丁干的好事?
They said the problem extends to other aircraft. I'm guessing that this is more of an issue with the F-22 because it flies higher than others types.
他们说可能问题会波及其他飞机，我猜可能F22还有别的问题因为它飞得比别的高
1. The F-35 still has a significant RCS advantage over the J-20. The J-20 will have issues in the egrees because the rear isn't stealthy.
2. So you have a aircraft with enough fuel to reach close to 2000 miles out and is the size of the F-111 But it will turn greater than a F-22? That heavy of a plane simply wont beat the F-35 trying to out turn it at 9G.
3. How can you sneak past the F-35 F-22 screen when you don't know where they
are?
4. F-35s will be networked so once 1 planes sees a engine plume, Missile plume or anything else, every F-35 in theater will know it.
5. How will the Chinese all of a sudden come up with a 50,000LB engine when they haven't even mastered the stolen Russian engine design? Note how the F-22 is only 35,000+ of thrust per engine. Now you need enough engine power to make something the size of A F-111 out turn and burn that.
A old fighter jock once said " I can make the plane go fast, Have a heavy load, or go farther, but I cant make it do all three" This is the issue with the J-20. Its not gonna go fast, carry a 5000lb load, go 2000 miles out, then dog fight, and come home. It has to give up something.
我不理解为什么他完全忽略F-35
1.F35还是明显比J-20 RCS小,J-20还会出问题，它后部不匿踪
2. 你有油可以飞2000公里,大小和f111差不多，比F22大？9G的推重比无法让这个重型机打败F-35.
3. 你不知道F-35,F-22在哪里，你能溜走？
4. F-35s已经联网，如果一架机看到一个发动机或者导弹角，战场的其他F-35就知道
5. 中国如何突然就能有50,000磅发动机,他们甚至没有掌握从毛子那里顺来的发动机设计?注意F-22每个发动机才35,000+.你需要够大的发动机才能推起象F111这样大的JJ.(lz:靠我们J-20有这样大?)
一个老鸟曾经告诉我，我可以让飞机跑得快，拉得多，走得远，但我不能同时干，这也适用与J-20,不可能拉5000磅，走2000里，跑得快，然后狗斗，然后飞回,它要放弃一些东西.
I'm amazed at the short memories of all of you folks. For four weeks during the Libyan involvement by the US, several of us asked where are the F-22's and for four weeks we got a different answers, all lies.
At least one of those lies came directly off the lips of General Norton Schwartz, a General who wants to become the next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I don't see how President Obama can appoint a general that is so dumb as to lie about something like this that even the village idiot know will come out into the public domain.
This is a creditability issue. The public must be able to believe there senior military officer is being honest and upfront with them, unless the lie is told regarding an obvious issue of National Security, the O2 system problem with an the F-22 as embarrassing to the manufacturer as it is, is not a National Security issue, but simply an effort to cover up a screw up by Lockheed Martin. General Schwartz obviously can't tell the difference between covering Lockheed's six and is not a National Security issue.
我惊讶你们这些家伙的记忆，四周前，美国参与利比亚，我们几个问F-22那里去了，我们得到不同答案，都是谎言。
至少一个从诺顿·施瓦兹直接出来，这人想成为下任参谋长联席会议主席，我想不通总统可以提名一个愚蠢和撒谎的人，他以为全地球人都是傻子。这是诚信问题, 公众必须能够相信他们面前高级军官，除非被高子这个一个国家安全问题，氧气系统真丢人，这不是国家安全问题，仅仅是掩盖洛克希德马丁干的好事?
They said the problem extends to other aircraft. I'm guessing that this is more of an issue with the F-22 because it flies higher than others types.
他们说可能问题会波及其他飞机，我猜可能F22还有别的问题因为它飞得比别的高
不知道有的要审核,有的又不要,如果重了请管理员去掉
China is so rich these days it could build 20,000 J20s and pay cash up front. And it just gets better for every JSF we build on money loaned from China they will be able to build a J20 just with the interest
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱废话。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的毛泽东主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
China is so rich these days it could build 20,000 J20s and pay cash up front. And it just gets better for every JSF we build on money loaned from China they will be able to build a J20 just with the interest
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱废话。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的毛泽东主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
好像还有。。。。
前排就坐围观米人
比我们高呀
pkfe 发表于 2011-5-19 15:51 
身高差距啊
身高差距啊
China is so rich these days it could build 20,000 J20s and pay cash up front. And it just gets better for every JSF we build on money loaned from China they will be able to build a J20 just with the interest
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱吹牛。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的MZD主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
China is so rich these days it could build 20,000 J20s and pay cash up front. And it just gets better for every JSF we build on money loaned from China they will be able to build a J20 just with the interest
the main problem is that the U.S. is way too focused on fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as funding those two wars. This is causing a failure in assessing and preparing for future threats that are not related to enemies who utilize mainly on guerrilla tactics, like the mujihadeen and insurgents use in Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. needs to be preparing itself for future conflicts with rapidly developing/modernizing countries. ie.) China for example
Reading this makes me wonder about the recent USAF strategy of retrofitting F-15C’s with the latest AN/APG-63 AESA radar (V(2)&V(3)) and basing them in Kadena with the idea of using these aircraft to “spot” attacking J-20′s and directing our few Raptors to intercept them.
The aforementioned Raytheon AESA systems operate in the X-band above 1 Gigahertz L-band, meaning that they should be equally blind to the frontal stealth shaping of the J-20 even with their longer range and ability to track smaller targets.
Attached is one of the latest photos released showing a very stealth profile with design cues taken straight from the F-22/F-35. The development of the J-20 has continued with several test flights occurring recently and more detailed images coming out.
The decision to build only 187 Raptors is looking more questionable everyday....
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款,他就是比我们从中国贷款的钱造的JSF强,利息就够造J20.主要问题是美国太过关注阿富汗和伊拉客,钱都花在MSL和游击队了,我们要更好的准备将来的来自快速发展和现代化国家的冲突例如中国.
读了这我正怀疑最近美国空军升级F-15C和最近的AN/APG-63 AESA雷达(V2,V3)的策略,把他们部署在冲绳嘉手纳,用来稍微挡J-20一下并引导我们少得可怜的猛禽拦截它们.
上述的雷神AESA系统在超过1G hz的L波段中的x波段工作,意味者对着J-20正面基本就是个瞎子,即使采用高些的波段能看到更小的东西也没用.
附件中的一张最新的照片的轮廓显示设计直接来源于F-22/F25,J-20已经连续几次试飞并更多详细的照片正在出现.
Americans have a bad habit of lying - it's a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.
As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.
On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere
美国人习惯说谎，这是众所周知的文化特征：中国低调，美国人爱吹牛。当世界影响力从美国人转到中国人时，越多的中国人理解我们的怪僻就越能和平转移.最近一次亚洲之行，值得注意的是中国人的影响里已经多么大，美国人多象上一个时代的人呀，到处都是中国的投资。
Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter.
Dictatorship envy apparently.
感觉这个Oblat是一个反美国的MZD主义支持者
If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn't the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can't compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer - please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.
It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it's self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don't play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It's the American dream.
如果你旅行有我一样多并见过和我见的一样多的美国人,你就会意识到美国人多怕中国,原因不是中国军队,美国人感觉乏力是因为无法在经济上竞争,在这片土地上,你可以听到相同的祈祷声,上帝请让中国BKC,让它小白些.他们这样搞对中国不公平,中国人在工业,在教育投入更多,更勤劳.
要花几代人才能让美国人丢掉自恋才能认识到爱拼才会赢.现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
美国人还是比较能清醒的看待问题，不像棒子、三哥上来就嘴炮
楼主辛苦了
米国JY？
乌拉咪咪 发表于 2011-5-19 15:59
是的 所以美帝还是个很可怕的核要值得研究的敌人。。
是的 所以美帝还是个很可怕的核要值得研究的敌人。。
山寨美帝体系是必不可少的，很好的学习模板。。不管航母船型 还是航母运作体系。
如果发动机能提供40,000,50,000磅推力,J-20有望实现格斗，拦截，纵深打击.如果推力比这个小，灵活性就会差些，但做截击机和炸弹卡车完全没问题的。
推力大是格斗和纵深打击的前提～第一次听过～B2不做任何表示
推力小能做截击机～2.8马赫的米格-31表示压力巨大～
推力大是格斗和纵深打击的前提～第一次听过～B2不做任何表示
推力小能做截击机～2.8马赫的米格-31表示压力巨大～
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款
美愤也羡慕土鳖有银子，不过，黑丝不是玩具，适用数量就OK
里面的BKC很多啊
看来md还是有人清醒的啊
我也来好好看看，美帝军迷的素质应该不低。 
BKC多不是什么好事。。。
今个中国真有钱,它可以搞2万架J20不用贷款
也就是扯扯蛋
现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
换成中国小孩一样受用
也就是扯扯蛋
现在美国小孩都想着出名,发财,又懒又蠢,做白日梦.
换成中国小孩一样受用
最根本的还是经济，MD对于无力的经济也底气不足啊
那上面说的f22为什么停产？？？
请问原帖地址？
到底是英制单位国家啊，反正我是看到磅，英里就蛋疼
哪个国家都有BKC和HKC，不过事实是20年前我们的确只有八爷，这个进度是摆在这儿的，20年前我们KC在红，MD的KC在白也想不到今天TG会有丝带，所以不得不让人联想20年后会是什么情况。
回复 24# camo
虽说我也是90后的，但的确我们这一代的人环境太过好了，总是伸手向父母拿钱，吃不了苦，思想单纯天真啊……自贬
虽说我也是90后的，但的确我们这一代的人环境太过好了，总是伸手向父母拿钱，吃不了苦，思想单纯天真啊……自贬
老美的体系比较好，还有创新机制值得我们学习
相反，我很讨厌匿踪这个词，台湾词来的
LZ总共发了16帖,在这帖里还重复的发了6帖.pkfe 发表于 2011-5-19 15:33
翻得不错，我觉得那句白日做梦不如原文的：这就是美国梦。
翻得不错，我觉得那句白日做梦不如原文的：这就是美国梦。
观海同志貌似暴露了~
大哥不想杯具就发下链接
希望他们家HKC多。都是精英，对付起来难。
每个国家都有HKC和BKC啊
美帝清醒！！知道有体系的优势
美国人民全是清醒党，5毛