巴基斯坦朋友对盖茨“垃圾论”的精辟描述

刚才在“四月青年”论坛上看到了一个朋友的回复，感觉很精辟，转帖如下：

我在巴基斯坦论坛上看到一个对此事精彩的评论

1）有個人拿着一个凶器跑到银行柜台前。
2） 申请贷款的时候，他挥着凶对银行职员说，不要小看我的实力
3）他还说，你们应该减少你们的保安措施
4）他接着说，你们的保安措施应该透明，保险柜的密码应该公开，这样我才会放心
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－
还有一个美国人评论：

千万不要对中国自夸两个能力：1） 历史  2）韧性

http://bbs.anti-cnn.com/thread-295558-1-1.html




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[政治] 盖茨垃圾桶理论引发澳大利亚网民强烈反应(转载)

原文链接 　　http://www.theaustralian.com.au/ ... rg6so-1225984639589 　　 　　 Hubert Posted at 1:14 AM Today 　　 　　If America could only learn to try and make real friends instead of an ever increasing number of enemies, it would have to spend fewer hundreds of billions in its ever more precarious security situation. But who can convince the arrogant about the wisdom of being meek??? 　　 　　Comment 6 of 42 　　 　　如果美国可以学习并试着去交些朋友而不是不断地树敌，美国本可以不用花费几千亿美元去解决美国越来越糟糕的国内外的安全形势，但对于一个自大的国家来说，他们怎么又怎么能理解“谦恭”其实也是一种智慧 　　 　　sam of usa Posted at 1:36 AM Today 　　 　　typical rhetoric from our military leaders. though i still think were in the lead militarily, i just wish the powers that be would see it’’s to no avail in the long run. We need to understand war is a waste no matter what. i still feel the leaders should fight one another if they are so bent on power. The masses of the worlds population would have it so no wars exsisted ever!! 　　 　　Comment 8 of 42 　　 　　Hok Posted at 1:56 AM Today 　　 　　Warmonger! 　　 　　Comment 10 of 42 　　战争贩子 　　John guru of Brisbane Posted at 6:51 AM Today 　　 　　Robert Gates typifies America’’s problem. Arrogant, self-centred and refusing to face up to the reality that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with the out of control financial institutions, have bought USA to it’’s knees. The USA no longer has the financial capabilities to be the No.1 world power. Anything he says is just sabre rattling, and the Chinese know this. 　　 　　盖茨本人就是美国的缩影，傲慢，自大，不愿面对深陷伊拉克阿富汗战争泥潭这个现实，没有意识到本国的金融风险已经失控。美国从经济能力上来讲很快就不会是世界第一了。盖茨讲的这些话只是表面凶恶的战争叫嚣，中国人很清楚这一点 　　Comment 15 of 42 　　kai of Melbourne Posted at 6:59 AM Today 　　 　　Those who live on borrowed money perhaps should learn some manners. They really should not be seen going around the neighbourhood carrying a big stick and breathing heavily. 　　 　　那些靠借来的钱生活的美国人应该学会一些基本的礼貌礼仪。他们不应该喘着粗气，扛着棒子在他们的债主面前晃来晃去 　　 　　Comment 16 of 42 　　 　　Ziggy of Sydney Posted at 7:24 AM Today 　　 　　The Chinese are not scared of the USA. They have waged economic war on the Americans for decades and they have succeeded in stripping jobs and industries from the USA to the point where the Americans hardly make anything worthwhile. In the meantime, the Americans are getting deeper and deeper in debt and the only thing saving them is that the US dollar is the world reserve currency and the Americans have the advantage of being the only nation that can print this currency and don’’t have to purchase it with tangible assets. But when the Chinese think that the time is right, they will dump their huge holdings of US dollars and treasury bonds on the market, thus destroying the value of the dollar to that of the Argentinian peso. Once the US dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency, the Americans will have to pay for everything, including their oil, in gold which they don’’t have. That’’s when the Chinese will act, revealing their true military might. They will invade Taiwan and chase the Americans out of the Eastern Hemisphere and there will not be a lot that the Americans will be able to do about it. The American Empire is dying and soon it will be dead. 　　 　　中国并不惧怕美国。这几十年来，中国已经通过无声的经济战争夺走了美国大量的工作岗位和产业经济，事实上美国现在已经不能生产制造什么有价值的东西。同时美国越来越深陷入国家债务的泥潭。唯一对于美国有利的是，美元还是世界上的主要储备货币，只有美国可以不负责任的随意印钞。但是当中国认为时机已到的时候，他们会向市场抛售手里的美元和美元债券，彻底摧毁美元作为国际主要储备货币的地位，让美元贬值成阿根廷比索，这时，美国还债的时候就要到了。同时，中国还会亮出起其掩盖已久强大的武力，收复台湾，把美国赶出东半球，美国也无能无力。美国时代很快就会终结，美国作为一个国家也会灭亡 　　Comment 17 of 42 　　Paul of Darwin Posted at 8:27 AM Today 　　 　　Suck it up Mr Gates..the US like every other historical empire will fade. In fact I would question your one sided knowledge of history..the dustbins of history are full of past emires that were all great at one time or another. Depends which side you’’re on I suppose. 　　 　　省省吧，盖茨，美国，和世界历史上的每一个王朝一样，都会褪去。相反，当你讲这个话的时候，我非常质疑你的历史知识。历史的垃圾桶里都是那些盛极一时的国家，美国无疑也会是垃圾桶里面的一个 　　 　　 　　Comment 18 of 42 　　 　　dogfather Posted at 9:34 AM Today 　　 　　Gates is shaking his big fist at an even bigger fist. What a joke. USA is no longer in charge. They owe Trillions of dollars to China. the USA now has to behave itself or it will get a smack. A great big smack 　　 　　盖茨挥舞着他的拳头，冲着一个比他拳头还大的人不停的挥舞。 真是个笑话，美国已经不是老大了，美国欠中国上万亿美元。美国现在要学乖点，不然就要挨揍了，而且是一顿胖揍 　　 　　Comment 22 of 42 　　Aussie of Sydney Posted at 9:52 AM Today 　　 　　China likes any other countries has the right to advance her own military. The US is showing double standards on this issue by her complaints against China! 　　 　　中国和其他世界上的任何一个国家一样有权发展军力，美国这么说是双重标准 　　 　　Comment 23 of 42 　　Gidgee of Brisbane. Posted at 10:11 AM Today 　　 　　Dustbins filled with nations who’’ve forecast the decline of the USA, Mr Gates? Really? Given that the USA has only been around as an entity for a relatively short period of time those dustbins must still appear very shiny and new to you sir. The big issue here is the compounding speed with which "empires" come and go in human history made ever so clear in my lifetime - I was born in the days when the British had an "empire" on which "the sun never sets" but now, Mr Gates, it’’s gone the way of so many "empires" which have existed previously. The United States, as it now stands, is buggered: it is in debt up to its back teeth to the Asian nations, especially China; its globe-trotting army is being used by its hierarchy in Washington DC as a publicly-funded mercenary endeavour attempting to adjust the awful fact that the US, which has so much oil-dependent requirements permanently ceases oil production within the next few short years. In 1945 the US (then 48 states) was the globe’’s darling but since then the leadership of that proud nation has let it down too many times while brashly and cockily thinking that the good times will last forever. Nothing is forever, Mr Gates, nothing. 　　 　　历史的垃圾桶里都是那些小看美国的国家？真的吗？盖茨先生。。。（接下来若干文字分析美国的内政外交的困镜。。不翻译了。。。） 没有什么事情是永远的，盖茨先生。。。 　　Comment 24 of 42 　　 　　Will Posted at 10:46 AM Today 　　 　　Its this type of arrogance that gets the world into trouble. Gates is typical of the American redneck gun-toting attitude of aggressive behaviour. No wonder the Chinese are insulted by his provocative sabre-rattling statements about US power. This is global power politics at its worst. Sadly, he and the rest of the US administration are too stupid to realise that they are just making it worse. The more they posture & threaten, the more China will build up its military capability. The Chinese don’’t trust the Americans, and I can understand why. I don’’t either anymore. 　　 　　就是美国这种傲慢的态度让全世界陷入了麻烦。盖茨就是个典型的美国农民，自私，傲慢，无知。毫无疑问，中国会被盖茨这种叫嚣的言论所刺激。这是大国政治，盖茨和美国政府很难意识到这一点，他们越施压越威胁，中国越要发展壮大自己的物理。中国人不信任美国，我理解为什么。因为我也不再信任美国人 　　 　　 　　 　　Comment 28 of 42 　　 　　peter hindrup of bondi junction Posted at 12:24 PM Today 　　 　　Dr Gates warned China not to underestimate the US or the continuing power of its military. Reminds me of the times when cornered by bigger we declared desperately ’’my father is a policeman’’! Didn’’t work then, wont work against any nation that takes an objective look at the situation the US is in. Past time for them to go home & to clean up their own mess. "They have the potential to put some of our capabilities at risk." Hell, who cares? From whence comes this notion that the US is all powerful? "Whether the reported new weapons are true or not, in the long run China will own first-class weapons that are capable of competing with the US war machine," Of course, but today why build a ’’conventional’’ army? The shortage of fuel, & the ability of a few nations to totally disrupt the supply world wide leaves the US with a heap of scrap iron. No different to those who owned castles full of armour after the crossbow came on the scene. It is in everybodies interest for the US to be brought to its knees. With the US aspiring for third world status & several nations of roughly equal power dotted around with nobody knowing just who would support who, we’’d have a much more equitable world. 　　太长，没实际内容。不翻了 　　 　　Comment 36 of 42 　　 　　JG of Sydney Posted at 12:36 PM Today 　　 　　Wow, the amount of ignorance in these comments is somewhat amusing. There is no such thing as right or wrong in life, only the strong is right. And currently that is the United States. As for China, its intention is simple. No country like to be dominated by another. Weaker nations cannot do anything about it. However China has the power to stand up to the US, and therefore it does. People needs to stop dreaming of "freedom" and realise there is no such thing as black or white. 　　 　　盖茨的言论无知到让我觉得可笑。世界上没有绝对的对错，历史被强者书写，对于现在来说，美国是最强的。对于中国来说，它的目标很简单。没有一个国家愿意被其他的国家胁迫威胁。弱国可能面临凌辱时没有什么还击手段。但中国有能力和美国平起平坐，而且中国正在这么干。人们应该意识到其实根本没有什么自由也不要用非对即错的观点看待世界 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 转自：http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/worldlook/1/315019.shtml 感觉内容太少，哪位高人要是有兴趣就请接着翻，谢谢。

刚才在“四月青年”论坛上看到了一个朋友的回复，感觉很精辟，转帖如下：

我在巴基斯坦论坛上看到一个对此事精彩的评论

1）有個人拿着一个凶器跑到银行柜台前。
2） 申请贷款的时候，他挥着凶对银行职员说，不要小看我的实力
3）他还说，你们应该减少你们的保安措施
4）他接着说，你们的保安措施应该透明，保险柜的密码应该公开，这样我才会放心
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－
还有一个美国人评论：

千万不要对中国自夸两个能力：1） 历史  2）韧性

http://bbs.anti-cnn.com/thread-295558-1-1.html




==============================================



[政治] 盖茨垃圾桶理论引发澳大利亚网民强烈反应(转载)
原文链接
　　http://www.theaustralian.com.au/ ... rg6so-1225984639589
　　
　　 Hubert Posted at 1:14 AM Today
　　
　　If America could only learn to try and make real friends instead of an ever increasing number of enemies, it would have to spend fewer hundreds of billions in its ever more precarious security situation. But who can convince the arrogant about the wisdom of being meek???
　　
　　Comment 6 of 42
　　
　　如果美国可以学习并试着去交些朋友而不是不断地树敌，美国本可以不用花费几千亿美元去解决美国越来越糟糕的国内外的安全形势，但对于一个自大的国家来说，他们怎么又怎么能理解“谦恭”其实也是一种智慧
　　
　　sam of usa Posted at 1:36 AM Today
　　
　　typical rhetoric from our military leaders. though i still think were in the lead militarily, i just wish the powers that be would see it’’s to no avail in the long run. We need to understand war is a waste no matter what. i still feel the leaders should fight one another if they are so bent on power. The masses of the worlds population would have it so no wars exsisted ever!!
　　
　　Comment 8 of 42
　　
　　Hok Posted at 1:56 AM Today
　　
　　Warmonger!
　　
　　Comment 10 of 42
　　战争贩子
　　John guru of Brisbane Posted at 6:51 AM Today
　　
　　Robert Gates typifies America’’s problem. Arrogant, self-centred and refusing to face up to the reality that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with the out of control financial institutions, have bought USA to it’’s knees. The USA no longer has the financial capabilities to be the No.1 world power. Anything he says is just sabre rattling, and the Chinese know this.
　　
　　盖茨本人就是美国的缩影，傲慢，自大，不愿面对深陷伊拉克阿富汗战争泥潭这个现实，没有意识到本国的金融风险已经失控。美国从经济能力上来讲很快就不会是世界第一了。盖茨讲的这些话只是表面凶恶的战争叫嚣，中国人很清楚这一点
　　Comment 15 of 42
　　kai of Melbourne Posted at 6:59 AM Today
　　
　　Those who live on borrowed money perhaps should learn some manners. They really should not be seen going around the neighbourhood carrying a big stick and breathing heavily.
　　
　　那些靠借来的钱生活的美国人应该学会一些基本的礼貌礼仪。他们不应该喘着粗气，扛着棒子在他们的债主面前晃来晃去
　　
　　Comment 16 of 42
　　
　　Ziggy of Sydney Posted at 7:24 AM Today
　　
　　The Chinese are not scared of the USA. They have waged economic war on the Americans for decades and they have succeeded in stripping jobs and industries from the USA to the point where the Americans hardly make anything worthwhile. In the meantime, the Americans are getting deeper and deeper in debt and the only thing saving them is that the US dollar is the world reserve currency and the Americans have the advantage of being the only nation that can print this currency and don’’t have to purchase it with tangible assets. But when the Chinese think that the time is right, they will dump their huge holdings of US dollars and treasury bonds on the market, thus destroying the value of the dollar to that of the Argentinian peso. Once the US dollar is dumped as the world reserve currency, the Americans will have to pay for everything, including their oil, in gold which they don’’t have. That’’s when the Chinese will act, revealing their true military might. They will invade Taiwan and chase the Americans out of the Eastern Hemisphere and there will not be a lot that the Americans will be able to do about it. The American Empire is dying and soon it will be dead.
　　
　　中国并不惧怕美国。这几十年来，中国已经通过无声的经济战争夺走了美国大量的工作岗位和产业经济，事实上美国现在已经不能生产制造什么有价值的东西。同时美国越来越深陷入国家债务的泥潭。唯一对于美国有利的是，美元还是世界上的主要储备货币，只有美国可以不负责任的随意印钞。但是当中国认为时机已到的时候，他们会向市场抛售手里的美元和美元债券，彻底摧毁美元作为国际主要储备货币的地位，让美元贬值成阿根廷比索，这时，美国还债的时候就要到了。同时，中国还会亮出起其掩盖已久强大的武力，收复台湾，把美国赶出东半球，美国也无能无力。美国时代很快就会终结，美国作为一个国家也会灭亡
　　Comment 17 of 42
　　Paul of Darwin Posted at 8:27 AM Today
　　
　　Suck it up Mr Gates..the US like every other historical empire will fade. In fact I would question your one sided knowledge of history..the dustbins of history are full of past emires that were all great at one time or another. Depends which side you’’re on I suppose.
　　
　　省省吧，盖茨，美国，和世界历史上的每一个王朝一样，都会褪去。相反，当你讲这个话的时候，我非常质疑你的历史知识。历史的垃圾桶里都是那些盛极一时的国家，美国无疑也会是垃圾桶里面的一个
　　
　　
　　Comment 18 of 42
　　
　　dogfather Posted at 9:34 AM Today
　　
　　Gates is shaking his big fist at an even bigger fist. What a joke. USA is no longer in charge. They owe Trillions of dollars to China. the USA now has to behave itself or it will get a smack. A great big smack
　　
　　盖茨挥舞着他的拳头，冲着一个比他拳头还大的人不停的挥舞。 真是个笑话，美国已经不是老大了，美国欠中国上万亿美元。美国现在要学乖点，不然就要挨揍了，而且是一顿胖揍
　　
　　Comment 22 of 42
　　Aussie of Sydney Posted at 9:52 AM Today
　　
　　China likes any other countries has the right to advance her own military. The US is showing double standards on this issue by her complaints against China!
　　
　　中国和其他世界上的任何一个国家一样有权发展军力，美国这么说是双重标准
　　
　　Comment 23 of 42
　　Gidgee of Brisbane. Posted at 10:11 AM Today
　　
　　Dustbins filled with nations who’’ve forecast the decline of the USA, Mr Gates? Really? Given that the USA has only been around as an entity for a relatively short period of time those dustbins must still appear very shiny and new to you sir. The big issue here is the compounding speed with which "empires" come and go in human history made ever so clear in my lifetime - I was born in the days when the British had an "empire" on which "the sun never sets" but now, Mr Gates, it’’s gone the way of so many "empires" which have existed previously. The United States, as it now stands, is buggered: it is in debt up to its back teeth to the Asian nations, especially China; its globe-trotting army is being used by its hierarchy in Washington DC as a publicly-funded mercenary endeavour attempting to adjust the awful fact that the US, which has so much oil-dependent requirements permanently ceases oil production within the next few short years. In 1945 the US (then 48 states) was the globe’’s darling but since then the leadership of that proud nation has let it down too many times while brashly and cockily thinking that the good times will last forever. Nothing is forever, Mr Gates, nothing.
　　
　　历史的垃圾桶里都是那些小看美国的国家？真的吗？盖茨先生。。。（接下来若干文字分析美国的内政外交的困镜。。不翻译了。。。） 没有什么事情是永远的，盖茨先生。。。
　　Comment 24 of 42
　　
　　Will Posted at 10:46 AM Today
　　
　　Its this type of arrogance that gets the world into trouble. Gates is typical of the American redneck gun-toting attitude of aggressive behaviour. No wonder the Chinese are insulted by his provocative sabre-rattling statements about US power. This is global power politics at its worst. Sadly, he and the rest of the US administration are too stupid to realise that they are just making it worse. The more they posture & threaten, the more China will build up its military capability. The Chinese don’’t trust the Americans, and I can understand why. I don’’t either anymore.
　　
　　就是美国这种傲慢的态度让全世界陷入了麻烦。盖茨就是个典型的美国农民，自私，傲慢，无知。毫无疑问，中国会被盖茨这种叫嚣的言论所刺激。这是大国政治，盖茨和美国政府很难意识到这一点，他们越施压越威胁，中国越要发展壮大自己的物理。中国人不信任美国，我理解为什么。因为我也不再信任美国人
　　
　　
　　
　　Comment 28 of 42
　　
　　peter hindrup of bondi junction Posted at 12:24 PM Today
　　
　　Dr Gates warned China not to underestimate the US or the continuing power of its military. Reminds me of the times when cornered by bigger we declared desperately ’’my father is a policeman’’! Didn’’t work then, wont work against any nation that takes an objective look at the situation the US is in. Past time for them to go home & to clean up their own mess. "They have the potential to put some of our capabilities at risk." Hell, who cares? From whence comes this notion that the US is all powerful? "Whether the reported new weapons are true or not, in the long run China will own first-class weapons that are capable of competing with the US war machine," Of course, but today why build a ’’conventional’’ army? The shortage of fuel, & the ability of a few nations to totally disrupt the supply world wide leaves the US with a heap of scrap iron. No different to those who owned castles full of armour after the crossbow came on the scene. It is in everybodies interest for the US to be brought to its knees. With the US aspiring for third world status & several nations of roughly equal power dotted around with nobody knowing just who would support who, we’’d have a much more equitable world.
　　太长，没实际内容。不翻了
　　
　　Comment 36 of 42
　　
　　JG of Sydney Posted at 12:36 PM Today
　　
　　Wow, the amount of ignorance in these comments is somewhat amusing. There is no such thing as right or wrong in life, only the strong is right. And currently that is the United States. As for China, its intention is simple. No country like to be dominated by another. Weaker nations cannot do anything about it. However China has the power to stand up to the US, and therefore it does. People needs to stop dreaming of "freedom" and realise there is no such thing as black or white.
　　
　　盖茨的言论无知到让我觉得可笑。世界上没有绝对的对错，历史被强者书写，对于现在来说，美国是最强的。对于中国来说，它的目标很简单。没有一个国家愿意被其他的国家胁迫威胁。弱国可能面临凌辱时没有什么还击手段。但中国有能力和美国平起平坐，而且中国正在这么干。人们应该意识到其实根本没有什么自由也不要用非对即错的观点看待世界
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转自：http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/worldlook/1/315019.shtml
感觉内容太少，哪位高人要是有兴趣就请接着翻，谢谢。