说T50隐身能力差的进来,毛子和三哥表示情绪稳定--雷达阻 ...

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说T50隐身能力差的请进来,毛子和三哥表示压力不大.

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以超大pzgr43为代表的我方观点:
1:T50没有采用类似F22,F35,J20式的整体座舱;

2:IRST不是融合孔径系统,毛5的航电在传感器融合方面能力有限;

3:T-50身上较小的设备仓开口基本都没有做隐身修型处理,说明它的RCS还没有小到需要考虑这些细节的地步。后期修改设备口形状很麻烦,任何机体上的接缝或者开口都涉及到结构强度的改变.

4:T50的进气道不隐身,甚至通过肉眼就可以看到硕大发动机叶片.

毛子表示压力不大,并回复:

你对传感器融合知识一点也不懂,如果你不认为俄罗斯的传感器融合技术很好,请仔细研究OLS-35.
You know nothing about sensor fussion, read up on the OLS-35 if you don't think Russian sensor fussion is good. And please you have demonstrated time and time again that you have no clue as to what you are saying, and this is evident by phrases such as 'Equipment storehouse openings' are you talking about weapons bays? If so give me a scientific explanation as to what is wrong with them.

让我解释一下这个最早最简单的IRST球体,球体本事显示面积很小,而且它的曲面是倾斜的.相同面积下球体比平刨体积小.甚至我们可以假定象IRST球体的大小返回的雷达信号象昆虫或更小,不管怎样,没有雷达在有效的范围可以探测到那么小的东西.
Once again a fanboy with zero understanding of stealth goes around making big red circles. Let me explain this in the simplest and easiest way possible The IRST ball is a sphere, a sphere by it self presents a very small surface area, and the surface area itself is sloped. By itself a sphere is many times smaller than a flat plane measuring the same area, even if we assume a sphere as small as an IRST housing returns a signal the signal would be insignificant likely something in the magnitude of an insect or smaller considering RAM, either way no radar would be able to detect something that small at meaningful ranges or any ranges at all.

And an illustration of a sphere and its efficiency, at scattering signals.


遮盖不是整体的变得更好,YF23比YF22的隐身性能更好,用的是两块座舱.F35的某些原型机也是.
It looks like a sphere  but wait there's more! The canopy is not a one piece canopy  it gets better, the YF-23 an aircraft said to have a smaller rcs than the YF-22 had a two piece canopy, some F-35 prototypes also had two piece canopies.

我上面已经说过N此,雷达阻截器就好像S型进气道,这在沉默鹰的正面RCS效果很明显.
And again as stated for the 20th time radar blockers are as good as S-shaped intakes, this is evident in the Silent Eagle's frontal RCS.

别逼我说J20的隐身问题,诸如鸭翼,缺少边缘绕射.
Don't make me talk about the J-20's problems such as canards and lack of edge diffraction.


没人说F15SE是五代机,我和你讨论的是雷达阻截器和正向RCS,正向RCS上,F15SE和F35是一样的......
No one said it was a '5th generation' aircraft. And the conversation is in regards to radarblockers and frontal RCS, in frontal RCS the F-15SE is equal to the F-35, period! Get your head around it, nothing you say will change that.

我之所以在讨论T50时提及F15SE,是为了说明两者使用雷达阻截器得到相同的效果.只有你这种愚蠢军迷才会分类比较飞机数据...
If you were smart, which clearly you are not, you would see that the F-15SE was not a comparison but an example of the effectivness of radar blockers, and onlt idiotic fanboys would go around comparing the data of aircraft that is classified.

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针对隐身能力:F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50的说法,三哥表示:

那是因为T50不是最终的定型产品,PAK-FA才是.
你的定论显示无知.....
没有大推力发动机,你们的J20甚至比不上Su35,这样还弄什么五代机呢?
你们中国至今还依赖俄罗斯的发动机,所以你们先搞掂发动机再跟T50比吧.
在这场游戏中,印度是一个婴儿,看着两个已婚男人和一个大学生之间打架.

Many insects add up to a lot.And IRST is just on the one hand.
Russia in detail with the United States gap too far away
That's why Stealth performance:
F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50

this one fact proves how you are about fighter jets....

F-22 higher than J20 but F-35 greatest than T-50

true b'cos t-50 is not the final product  PAK-FA is there..

your comment shows like that...

without make a High Trust engine, your fighter is not even come close to Su-35... then why goes to 5th Gen Fighter...

Russia is provide you the engine till now so first ENGINE then compare with others...

In this game India is just a baby watching a Fight between Two married men and a College Student...

说T50隐身能力差的请进来,毛子和三哥表示压力不大.

1101041224a35997b8644a1fb1.jpg.thumb.jpg

以超大pzgr43为代表的我方观点:
1:T50没有采用类似F22,F35,J20式的整体座舱;

2:IRST不是融合孔径系统,毛5的航电在传感器融合方面能力有限;

3:T-50身上较小的设备仓开口基本都没有做隐身修型处理,说明它的RCS还没有小到需要考虑这些细节的地步。后期修改设备口形状很麻烦,任何机体上的接缝或者开口都涉及到结构强度的改变.

4:T50的进气道不隐身,甚至通过肉眼就可以看到硕大发动机叶片.

毛子表示压力不大,并回复:

你对传感器融合知识一点也不懂,如果你不认为俄罗斯的传感器融合技术很好,请仔细研究OLS-35.
You know nothing about sensor fussion, read up on the OLS-35 if you don't think Russian sensor fussion is good. And please you have demonstrated time and time again that you have no clue as to what you are saying, and this is evident by phrases such as 'Equipment storehouse openings' are you talking about weapons bays? If so give me a scientific explanation as to what is wrong with them.

让我解释一下这个最早最简单的IRST球体,球体本事显示面积很小,而且它的曲面是倾斜的.相同面积下球体比平刨体积小.甚至我们可以假定象IRST球体的大小返回的雷达信号象昆虫或更小,不管怎样,没有雷达在有效的范围可以探测到那么小的东西.
Once again a fanboy with zero understanding of stealth goes around making big red circles. Let me explain this in the simplest and easiest way possible The IRST ball is a sphere, a sphere by it self presents a very small surface area, and the surface area itself is sloped. By itself a sphere is many times smaller than a flat plane measuring the same area, even if we assume a sphere as small as an IRST housing returns a signal the signal would be insignificant likely something in the magnitude of an insect or smaller considering RAM, either way no radar would be able to detect something that small at meaningful ranges or any ranges at all.

And an illustration of a sphere and its efficiency, at scattering signals.


遮盖不是整体的变得更好,YF23比YF22的隐身性能更好,用的是两块座舱.F35的某些原型机也是.
It looks like a sphere  but wait there's more! The canopy is not a one piece canopy  it gets better, the YF-23 an aircraft said to have a smaller rcs than the YF-22 had a two piece canopy, some F-35 prototypes also had two piece canopies.

我上面已经说过N此,雷达阻截器就好像S型进气道,这在沉默鹰的正面RCS效果很明显.
And again as stated for the 20th time radar blockers are as good as S-shaped intakes, this is evident in the Silent Eagle's frontal RCS.

别逼我说J20的隐身问题,诸如鸭翼,缺少边缘绕射.
Don't make me talk about the J-20's problems such as canards and lack of edge diffraction.


没人说F15SE是五代机,我和你讨论的是雷达阻截器和正向RCS,正向RCS上,F15SE和F35是一样的......
No one said it was a '5th generation' aircraft. And the conversation is in regards to radarblockers and frontal RCS, in frontal RCS the F-15SE is equal to the F-35, period! Get your head around it, nothing you say will change that.

我之所以在讨论T50时提及F15SE,是为了说明两者使用雷达阻截器得到相同的效果.只有你这种愚蠢军迷才会分类比较飞机数据...
If you were smart, which clearly you are not, you would see that the F-15SE was not a comparison but an example of the effectivness of radar blockers, and onlt idiotic fanboys would go around comparing the data of aircraft that is classified.

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针对隐身能力:F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50的说法,三哥表示:

那是因为T50不是最终的定型产品,PAK-FA才是.
你的定论显示无知.....
没有大推力发动机,你们的J20甚至比不上Su35,这样还弄什么五代机呢?
你们中国至今还依赖俄罗斯的发动机,所以你们先搞掂发动机再跟T50比吧.
在这场游戏中,印度是一个婴儿,看着两个已婚男人和一个大学生之间打架.

Many insects add up to a lot.And IRST is just on the one hand.
Russia in detail with the United States gap too far away
That's why Stealth performance:
F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50

this one fact proves how you are about fighter jets....

F-22 higher than J20 but F-35 greatest than T-50

true b'cos t-50 is not the final product  PAK-FA is there..

your comment shows like that...

without make a High Trust engine, your fighter is not even come close to Su-35... then why goes to 5th Gen Fighter...

Russia is provide you the engine till now so first ENGINE then compare with others...

In this game India is just a baby watching a Fight between Two married men and a College Student...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/mil ... 19.html#post1390201

补上链接
LZ是反讽吗。。


F35座舱盖是内支撑架,玻璃是整块的,只是因为成本低较薄,所以要在里面弄个支撑架,玻璃镀膜后RCS效果跟F22的没有区别,毛子T50座舱盖椭圆型金属框是直接外漏的,根本不是一回事,YF-23原型机就挂掉了,怎么改进谁也不知道。。。。毛子T50随便看看看看,就IRST,座舱盖,圆滚滚跟SU27一摸一样的的发动机吊舱,进气道直通这几样就统统是RCS大敌,除非T50改不改这些细节RCS都在一个级别上,所以没心思仔细雕琢,否则怎么说都是掩耳盗铃,要不T50其实就是忽悠三哥

F35座舱盖是内支撑架,玻璃是整块的,只是因为成本低较薄,所以要在里面弄个支撑架,玻璃镀膜后RCS效果跟F22的没有区别,毛子T50座舱盖椭圆型金属框是直接外漏的,根本不是一回事,YF-23原型机就挂掉了,怎么改进谁也不知道。。。。毛子T50随便看看看看,就IRST,座舱盖,圆滚滚跟SU27一摸一样的的发动机吊舱,进气道直通这几样就统统是RCS大敌,除非T50改不改这些细节RCS都在一个级别上,所以没心思仔细雕琢,否则怎么说都是掩耳盗铃,要不T50其实就是忽悠三哥
这个……毛子不至于棒子化了吧~~
wenzi1113 发表于 2011-1-5 17:37


    和三哥混久了  三哥化了。。
超大嫦娥 发表于 2011-1-5 17:39


    这也没好到哪里去~~
看到风扇列。
毛子的工业基础不是说着玩的,其科研人员也不是吃干饭的,同时你拿试验机比有意思吗,TG这些方面做的好了,也不要嘲笑别人啊,毕竟毛子可能更有实力做的更好
舱盖不开锯齿在原型机上没啥特别的

这是X-32的主起落架

这是X-35的前起落架

当然反过来也可以说……已经开始做这些内容的J20目前的完成度非常高。
在国家任务面前,所谓科研人员的科学态度就是一坨~~
百臂巨人 发表于 2011-1-5 17:47

X32很早就已经败局已定,造原型机也就应付元老院的拨款,马马虎虎都无所谓
毛子可能有实力,做个东西出来证明一下啊,
总感觉T50就是忽悠三哥的,毛子不用这款
Johnny005611 发表于 2011-1-5 17:41

窃以为老毛子才有资格称为你说的这些,新毛子只是在老毛子留得资本上再啃老
霏菲飞 发表于 2011-1-5 17:55

X-35同样也是没开锯齿的呀

至于你说X-32马马虎虎,有哪个马马虎虎的会垂直起降型回合PK吃瘪后,造新设计的舰载型继续PK……
PK舰载型回合的时候,不但翼形完全是新的,连整体舱盖都补上了。

boeing_x-32_1.jpg
美帝的体制跟土鳖毛鳖都不一样,

直接类比没意义的,土鳖和现在毛鳖都是图纸争标,出原型机已经是早已过了确定中标阶段了
这是一个很有争议的话题
我来当当铆钉党吧...
霏菲飞 发表于 2011-1-5 17:35

效果还是差一些的,主要是为了减重吧。整体的实在太重,F35鸭梨很大。
回复 15# COOPY


    你等毛五的量产出现了看看再说吧
Johnny005611 发表于 2011-1-5 18:17


    大家都等着~~不过貌似众毛粉都坚称T50是毛子验证机,不会量产服役,偶也希望毛子开放的公开报道能公布T50的未来改进、量产计划~~:sleepy:
什么啊

大家都等着~~不过貌似众毛粉都坚称T50是毛子验证机,不会量产服役,偶也希望毛子开放的公开报道能 ...
wenzi1113 发表于 2011-1-5 18:21



    应该不会像ATF那样先YF,然后专门还有EMD原型……
    老毛子去年可是宣称2015年服役的,结果现在跳票的2017年了,现在,光第二架原型机首飞节点就已经比原计划拖延了大半年,要是还弄EMD模式,别2017年了,2025年都困难:L
    当然,毛五肯定服役前得改,口盖座舱什么的改改是有可能。进气道改S,去掉光电球什么的那是根本不可能的……
大家都等着~~不过貌似众毛粉都坚称T50是毛子验证机,不会量产服役,偶也希望毛子开放的公开报道能 ...
wenzi1113 发表于 2011-1-5 18:21



    应该不会像ATF那样先YF,然后专门还有EMD原型……
    老毛子去年可是宣称2015年服役的,结果现在跳票的2017年了,现在,光第二架原型机首飞节点就已经比原计划拖延了大半年,要是还弄EMD模式,别2017年了,2025年都困难:L
    当然,毛五肯定服役前得改,口盖座舱什么的改改是有可能。进气道改S,去掉光电球什么的那是根本不可能的……
F22处心积虑的搞这么多隐身措施,在毛子那就是完全没必要,说是只有昆虫大小.
91年毛子就废了 新毛子现在全盘崩溃 我国轻工业已经超越了毛子 用不了多久重工业也能超过
ericcui1 发表于 2011-1-5 18:28


    这种小改意义很大么?我觉得还不如就这样尽快配套117S完成试飞争取量产算了,至少时间上还能压着F35\J20一头,要只为马扁三哥银子的话已经可以了~~


回复 27# wenzi1113


    反正无论如何,以老毛子的时间节点安排,那是不可能搞什么验证机的,那绝对就是量产版的原型机……。当然,如果像苏-27初期那样遇到重大挫折,推倒重来,也许就变验证机了,不过这样的话,对毛子和毛粉们就太悲催了……

回复 27# wenzi1113


    反正无论如何,以老毛子的时间节点安排,那是不可能搞什么验证机的,那绝对就是量产版的原型机……。当然,如果像苏-27初期那样遇到重大挫折,推倒重来,也许就变验证机了,不过这样的话,对毛子和毛粉们就太悲催了……
可以假定象IRST球体的大小返回的雷达信号象昆虫或更小


这条纯扯淡...
那个座舱盖真难看
ericcui1 发表于 2011-1-5 18:40


    如果以这种小改方式量产毛子和毛粉照样很杯摧~~这个跳票的时间表也很杯摧~~
但是你要是连计划都没有,又怎么去忽悠阿三的银子?
T50一出来就觉得毛子自己的5代机纯粹是个大忽悠...
我也看懂了,大家对T50目前的隐身能力都不看好。剩下还有两种选择:一种是不做大改,迅速定型装备,赶在J20前装备,但这样隐身性能就悲剧了。另一选择是把T50当验证机,大改直到完美,但这样,也许会到2025年才装备。毛粉选择一种死法吧。
毛子现在正处没落期
不是毛子吧?好像是一A3,这样的A3一点不奇怪,LCA都宇宙第一了。


毛子就那德行了,人们总是被以往吓住,我不信在这物质的时代一个GDP在2025年到25万亿美金的国家会抛不开一个只有7、8万亿的俄罗斯。
话放这,15年没大动乱,经济上,科技上俄毛就是拿来踩的。

毛子就那德行了,人们总是被以往吓住,我不信在这物质的时代一个GDP在2025年到25万亿美金的国家会抛不开一个只有7、8万亿的俄罗斯。
话放这,15年没大动乱,经济上,科技上俄毛就是拿来踩的。
毫无疑问,就头向隐身效果来看,T-50目前只能垫底了
重复,编辑掉
等被干下来就表示压力还不大
LZ见过毛子或A3(特别是A3)表示压力很大吗?
反正我是没见过
人家心态那么好会有压力?