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http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=47
the crippled Tomcat was apparently pretty badly shot by 23mm fire from the MiG-23BN, that is that funny flat-nose radarless attack variant of the Flogger... Talk about David vs Goliath!
- the almost defenseless MiG-23BN greatly contributed to unfavorable kill/loss ratio of the Flogger family - around 37 of them were shot down on their bombing missions
- the monkey MiG-23MS achieved only one kill (Phantom, I think), at least five were shot down in return
- fighter versions MiG-23MF and the mode advanced MiG-23ML were pretty successful in their fighter role - together only 12 of them were shot down against 17-19 kills- one MiG-23ML successfully intercepted and shot down an IRIAA AH-1J Cobra helicopter. Quite impressive piloting skills considering that MiG-23 ain't exactly the type for a job like that.
12架MIG-23MF/MLD换掉了 2架F-14A+15-17架F-4/5 这个交换比似乎非常乐观了吧?
BTW,15-17架F-4/5真的就比不上4架F-14A么?http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=47
the crippled Tomcat was apparently pretty badly shot by 23mm fire from the MiG-23BN, that is that funny flat-nose radarless attack variant of the Flogger... Talk about David vs Goliath!
- the almost defenseless MiG-23BN greatly contributed to unfavorable kill/loss ratio of the Flogger family - around 37 of them were shot down on their bombing missions
- the monkey MiG-23MS achieved only one kill (Phantom, I think), at least five were shot down in return
- fighter versions MiG-23MF and the mode advanced MiG-23ML were pretty successful in their fighter role - together only 12 of them were shot down against 17-19 kills- one MiG-23ML successfully intercepted and shot down an IRIAA AH-1J Cobra helicopter. Quite impressive piloting skills considering that MiG-23 ain't exactly the type for a job like that.
12架MIG-23MF/MLD换掉了 2架F-14A+15-17架F-4/5 这个交换比似乎非常乐观了吧?
BTW,15-17架F-4/5真的就比不上4架F-14A么?
the crippled Tomcat was apparently pretty badly shot by 23mm fire from the MiG-23BN, that is that funny flat-nose radarless attack variant of the Flogger... Talk about David vs Goliath!
- the almost defenseless MiG-23BN greatly contributed to unfavorable kill/loss ratio of the Flogger family - around 37 of them were shot down on their bombing missions
- the monkey MiG-23MS achieved only one kill (Phantom, I think), at least five were shot down in return
- fighter versions MiG-23MF and the mode advanced MiG-23ML were pretty successful in their fighter role - together only 12 of them were shot down against 17-19 kills- one MiG-23ML successfully intercepted and shot down an IRIAA AH-1J Cobra helicopter. Quite impressive piloting skills considering that MiG-23 ain't exactly the type for a job like that.
12架MIG-23MF/MLD换掉了 2架F-14A+15-17架F-4/5 这个交换比似乎非常乐观了吧?
BTW,15-17架F-4/5真的就比不上4架F-14A么?http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=47
the crippled Tomcat was apparently pretty badly shot by 23mm fire from the MiG-23BN, that is that funny flat-nose radarless attack variant of the Flogger... Talk about David vs Goliath!
- the almost defenseless MiG-23BN greatly contributed to unfavorable kill/loss ratio of the Flogger family - around 37 of them were shot down on their bombing missions
- the monkey MiG-23MS achieved only one kill (Phantom, I think), at least five were shot down in return
- fighter versions MiG-23MF and the mode advanced MiG-23ML were pretty successful in their fighter role - together only 12 of them were shot down against 17-19 kills- one MiG-23ML successfully intercepted and shot down an IRIAA AH-1J Cobra helicopter. Quite impressive piloting skills considering that MiG-23 ain't exactly the type for a job like that.
12架MIG-23MF/MLD换掉了 2架F-14A+15-17架F-4/5 这个交换比似乎非常乐观了吧?
BTW,15-17架F-4/5真的就比不上4架F-14A么?
弄个沙发来看戏,来这里看真相。
猫党们痛哭流涕啊!!!被米格-23给虐了。。。。。。
不能太小看伊拉克飞行员捏
楼主那是伊拉克的战绩
我在这贴两个伊朗的战绩
大家进去数数人头作对比就知道了
来源都是ACIG
所以不存在来源不同的争辩
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_211.shtml
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_210.shtml
用一句话推翻既有结论是十分不明智的 [:a4:]
我在这贴两个伊朗的战绩
大家进去数数人头作对比就知道了
来源都是ACIG
所以不存在来源不同的争辩
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_211.shtml
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_210.shtml
用一句话推翻既有结论是十分不明智的 [:a4:]
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23BN后就直接是27了吧。
M(MS) MF ML才是一脉的……
M(MS) MF ML才是一脉的……
原帖由 aaasssaaa 于 2009-1-30 17:34 发表
23BN后就直接是27了吧。
M(MS) MF ML才是一脉的……
伊朗那边声称的大部分都是BN,我说的是MF/ML
MS是BITCH 不提也罢
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宁愿用10台AL31换F14的!
原帖由 红男爵 于 2009-1-30 19:11 发表
宁愿用10台AL31换F14的!
14A的?这玩笑不是一般大……
原帖由 红男爵 于 2009-1-30 19:11 发表
宁愿用10台AL31换F14的!
F-14A的。。。。。。。;P
原帖由 erwinhans 于 2009-1-30 16:31 发表
http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/ ... id=37&Itemid=47
the crippled Tomcat was apparently pretty badly shot by 23mm fire from the MiG-23BN, that is that funny flat ...
:D :D :D :D
Note 1: During the war with Iran the authorities in Baghdad issued a total of over 70 claims for downings of IRIAF F-14s. Between 12 and 14 of these are known in the West - mainly because they were forwarded by the FBIS ("Foreign Broadcast Information Service"). Closer examination of these claims proved that only one of them can roughly be brought into connection with a loss of an Iranian F-14: this is the case of a loss of a single Tomcat near Khark Island, on 11 August 1984. This was confirmed by post-war investigation of the wreckage. All the other known Iraqi claims for downings of Iranian F-14s are posted here in order to show that ACIG.org knows about them but also that we know that they are unsubstained claims.
声称击落70架雄猫,只有一架真正确认。:D
All the other known Iraqi claims for downings of Iranian F-14s are posted here in order to show that ACIG.org knows about them but also that we know that they are unsubstained claims.
原帖由 aaasssaaa 于 2009-1-31 11:26 发表
声称击落70架雄猫,只有一架真正确认。:D
按照 ACIG上的算法 是 2+1
原帖由 erwinhans 于 2009-1-30 16:31 发表
http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/ ... id=37&Itemid=47
the crippled Tomcat was apparently pretty badly shot by 23mm fire from the MiG-23BN, that is that funny flat ...
按照这上面的说法,很多23BN在执行轰炸任务时被击落。同样的,被23MF击落的大部分F-4也是在执行轰炸任务,基本上不具备空战格斗能力。
所以说在复杂的战争环境下,比较交换比这种把戏基本没什么意义。
问题在于那个页面根本不支持下面一段话……
23MF/ML确认击落F4 2,F5 3,F14 2,被F14打掉11,被F4打掉3
23MF/ML确认击落F4 2,F5 3,F14 2,被F14打掉11,被F4打掉3
原帖由 malganis 于 2009-1-31 13:56 发表
问题在于那个页面根本不支持下面一段话……
23MF/ML确认击落F4 2,F5 3,F14 2,被F14打掉11,被F4打掉3
注意不同颜色的字的区别
原帖由 erwinhans 于 2009-2-1 11:10 发表
注意不同颜色的字的区别
两伊那三页只数绿的不就对了
原帖由 malganis 于 2009-2-1 19:13 发表
两伊那三页只数绿的不就对了
绿的是双方都确认的记录。。。
原帖由 erwinhans 于 2009-2-1 19:18 发表
绿的是双方都确认的记录。。。
难道把单方宣称的算上啊,那可热闹了
刚才把那几张表整了下,结果编辑超时,现在重来一遍……
IRAF:
26Sep80 ?FS MiG-23MF Ah.Sabah AAM or 23mm? F-5E IRIAF
15Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13 F-4E IRIAF
15Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13 F-4E IRIAF
16Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS AAM? F-4D IRIAF (pilot ?, POW)
14Nov80 39FS MiG-23MS witheld R-13M F-5E 21TFW/IRIAF (Zabihi KIA)
22Nov80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13 F-4D IRIAF
28Nov80 39FS MiG-23MS witheld R-13 F-4E TFB.6/IRIAF
16Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13M F-4E TFB.6/IRIAF (Moftakhari/Koosta KIA)
4Feb81 MiG-23 AAM? F-4E TFB.6/IRIAF (Qoreishi/Ekhbari KIA)
??Dec82 23FS MiG-23MF O.Goben R-23 F-5E IRIAF (dam. & forced down)
11Aug84 63FS MiG-23ML 1stLt.? R-60MK F-14A 81TFW/IRIAF (All-e-Agha KIA/Rostampour OK)
13Feb86 63FS MiG-23ML witheld R-24 F-5E TFB.2/IRIAF (Varzdar KIA)
17Jan87 63FS MiG-23ML witheld R-? F-14A TFB.7/IRIAF (Ghanei OK/Assl-e-Davtalab KIA)
14Jun87 ?FS MiG-23ML witheld AAM F-4E TFB.4/IRIAF (pilot Solarie KIA)
14Jun87 ?FS MiG-23ML witheld AAM F-4E TFB.4/IRIAF (crew ?)
IRIAF:
23Sep80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-7E-4 MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
25Sep80 F-4E TFB.3 ? AIM-9P MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
25Sep80 F-4E TFB.6 Rassi 20mm MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
2Oct80 F-14A TFB.8 ? AIM-9P MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-54A MiG-23MLA IrAF (pilot Ah.Sabah, KIA)
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-54A MiG-23MLA IrAF
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-9P MiG-23MLA IrAF
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-9P MiG-23MLA IrAF
1Sep81 F-4D 306TFS/TFB.4 ? AIM-7E-2 MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
21Jul82 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A* MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF (Note 2)
21Jul82 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A* MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
21Jul82 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A MiG-23MF IrAF
21Nov82 F-14A TFB.8 Khosrodad AIM-54A MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
21Nov82 F-14A TFB.8 Khosrodad AIM-54A MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
3Dec82 F-4E 31TFS/TFB.4 ? forced down MiG-23MS 84FS/IrAF
????85 F-4E TFB.1 ? maneuver MiG-23ML 63FS/IrAF
12Jul86 F-14A TFB.8 Reza ? AIM-7E-4 MiG-23ML 63FS/IrAF
14Oct86 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A MiG-23ML 63FS/IrAF
14Jun88 F-4E 31TFW/TFB.4 Solarie AIM-9P MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
26Sep80 ?FS MiG-23MF Ah.Sabah AAM or 23mm? F-5E IRIAF
15Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13 F-4E IRIAF
15Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13 F-4E IRIAF
16Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS AAM? F-4D IRIAF (pilot ?, POW)
14Nov80 39FS MiG-23MS witheld R-13M F-5E 21TFW/IRIAF (Zabihi KIA)
22Nov80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13 F-4D IRIAF
28Nov80 39FS MiG-23MS witheld R-13 F-4E TFB.6/IRIAF
16Oct80 39FS MiG-23MS R-13M F-4E TFB.6/IRIAF (Moftakhari/Koosta KIA)
4Feb81 MiG-23 AAM? F-4E TFB.6/IRIAF (Qoreishi/Ekhbari KIA)
??Dec82 23FS MiG-23MF O.Goben R-23 F-5E IRIAF (dam. & forced down)
11Aug84 63FS MiG-23ML 1stLt.? R-60MK F-14A 81TFW/IRIAF (All-e-Agha KIA/Rostampour OK)
13Feb86 63FS MiG-23ML witheld R-24 F-5E TFB.2/IRIAF (Varzdar KIA)
17Jan87 63FS MiG-23ML witheld R-? F-14A TFB.7/IRIAF (Ghanei OK/Assl-e-Davtalab KIA)
14Jun87 ?FS MiG-23ML witheld AAM F-4E TFB.4/IRIAF (pilot Solarie KIA)
14Jun87 ?FS MiG-23ML witheld AAM F-4E TFB.4/IRIAF (crew ?)
IRIAF:
23Sep80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-7E-4 MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
25Sep80 F-4E TFB.3 ? AIM-9P MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
25Sep80 F-4E TFB.6 Rassi 20mm MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
2Oct80 F-14A TFB.8 ? AIM-9P MiG-23MS 39FS/IrAF
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-54A MiG-23MLA IrAF (pilot Ah.Sabah, KIA)
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-54A MiG-23MLA IrAF
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-9P MiG-23MLA IrAF
29Oct80 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 Sedghi AIM-9P MiG-23MLA IrAF
1Sep81 F-4D 306TFS/TFB.4 ? AIM-7E-2 MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
21Jul82 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A* MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF (Note 2)
21Jul82 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A* MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
21Jul82 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A MiG-23MF IrAF
21Nov82 F-14A TFB.8 Khosrodad AIM-54A MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
21Nov82 F-14A TFB.8 Khosrodad AIM-54A MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF
3Dec82 F-4E 31TFS/TFB.4 ? forced down MiG-23MS 84FS/IrAF
????85 F-4E TFB.1 ? maneuver MiG-23ML 63FS/IrAF
12Jul86 F-14A TFB.8 Reza ? AIM-7E-4 MiG-23ML 63FS/IrAF
14Oct86 F-14A 81TFS/TFB.8 ? AIM-54A MiG-23ML 63FS/IrAF
14Jun88 F-4E 31TFW/TFB.4 Solarie AIM-9P MiG-23MF 23FS/IrAF