超级军网台风老二和猛禽干过？
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千年老二的位子座腻了，开始跟大哥比划:D
以下资料是从asherhoa的帖子粘过来的。不晓得是真是假。
toga Posted - 01/12/2008 : 11:17:21
個人所聽聞過的號稱由皇家空軍飛官私下透露，信不信由你英國佬奇談彙整：
1. 在不對外正式公開的英美老大老二友誼賽中，颱風老二能用雷達探測到猛禽大佬的距離，從距離8至80公里不等～或許這便是有與沒有使用RCS放大裝置的差異？？？
2. 在對抗完全匿蹤態的猛禽時，即使是以嘴砲聞名全球業餘軍迷界的英國佬也不得不承認颱風寶貝的末代機掃雷達無法在BVR空戰距離下察覺其存在，不過其還是有另打嘴砲之法～DASS電戰系統在對抗過程中仍是能察覺號稱電磁匿蹤的APG-77雷達之訊跡，從而採取適當的電子軟殺反制～也許英國空軍官方在颱風姬自美返回之後，發表聲明聲稱颱風戰機電戰系統在美測試期間的表現令人十分滿意與激賞的部分依據便是在此？？？
3. 至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。
不過根據：
http://www.eurofighter.com/downloads/EFReviewIssue2.pdf
The results of Exercise Indra Dhanush?
“Outstanding!”declares Squadron Leader Smith, adding:“This is an Su-30 MKI, the very latest Russian technology with thrust vectoring, probably the pinnacle of Eastern European weaponry currently fielded and from the results we've seen this week, not a problem!”
最后一段英文应该是印度的彩虹试练2007。看来台风赢了。
注意这一段：
“至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。”
狗战干掉30本在意料之中。但为何能赢f-22?从数据上看和狗战有关的一切性能猛禽都在台风之上，是不是台风负多胜少，报喜不报忧而已。千年老二的位子座腻了，开始跟大哥比划:D
以下资料是从asherhoa的帖子粘过来的。不晓得是真是假。
toga Posted - 01/12/2008 : 11:17:21
個人所聽聞過的號稱由皇家空軍飛官私下透露，信不信由你英國佬奇談彙整：
1. 在不對外正式公開的英美老大老二友誼賽中，颱風老二能用雷達探測到猛禽大佬的距離，從距離8至80公里不等～或許這便是有與沒有使用RCS放大裝置的差異？？？
2. 在對抗完全匿蹤態的猛禽時，即使是以嘴砲聞名全球業餘軍迷界的英國佬也不得不承認颱風寶貝的末代機掃雷達無法在BVR空戰距離下察覺其存在，不過其還是有另打嘴砲之法～DASS電戰系統在對抗過程中仍是能察覺號稱電磁匿蹤的APG-77雷達之訊跡，從而採取適當的電子軟殺反制～也許英國空軍官方在颱風姬自美返回之後，發表聲明聲稱颱風戰機電戰系統在美測試期間的表現令人十分滿意與激賞的部分依據便是在此？？？
3. 至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。
不過根據：
http://www.eurofighter.com/downloads/EFReviewIssue2.pdf
The results of Exercise Indra Dhanush?
“Outstanding!”declares Squadron Leader Smith, adding:“This is an Su-30 MKI, the very latest Russian technology with thrust vectoring, probably the pinnacle of Eastern European weaponry currently fielded and from the results we've seen this week, not a problem!”
最后一段英文应该是印度的彩虹试练2007。看来台风赢了。
注意这一段：
“至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。”
狗战干掉30本在意料之中。但为何能赢f-22?从数据上看和狗战有关的一切性能猛禽都在台风之上，是不是台风负多胜少，报喜不报忧而已。
以下资料是从asherhoa的帖子粘过来的。不晓得是真是假。
toga Posted - 01/12/2008 : 11:17:21
個人所聽聞過的號稱由皇家空軍飛官私下透露，信不信由你英國佬奇談彙整：
1. 在不對外正式公開的英美老大老二友誼賽中，颱風老二能用雷達探測到猛禽大佬的距離，從距離8至80公里不等～或許這便是有與沒有使用RCS放大裝置的差異？？？
2. 在對抗完全匿蹤態的猛禽時，即使是以嘴砲聞名全球業餘軍迷界的英國佬也不得不承認颱風寶貝的末代機掃雷達無法在BVR空戰距離下察覺其存在，不過其還是有另打嘴砲之法～DASS電戰系統在對抗過程中仍是能察覺號稱電磁匿蹤的APG-77雷達之訊跡，從而採取適當的電子軟殺反制～也許英國空軍官方在颱風姬自美返回之後，發表聲明聲稱颱風戰機電戰系統在美測試期間的表現令人十分滿意與激賞的部分依據便是在此？？？
3. 至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。
不過根據：
http://www.eurofighter.com/downloads/EFReviewIssue2.pdf
The results of Exercise Indra Dhanush?
“Outstanding!”declares Squadron Leader Smith, adding:“This is an Su-30 MKI, the very latest Russian technology with thrust vectoring, probably the pinnacle of Eastern European weaponry currently fielded and from the results we've seen this week, not a problem!”
最后一段英文应该是印度的彩虹试练2007。看来台风赢了。
注意这一段：
“至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。”
狗战干掉30本在意料之中。但为何能赢f-22?从数据上看和狗战有关的一切性能猛禽都在台风之上，是不是台风负多胜少，报喜不报忧而已。千年老二的位子座腻了，开始跟大哥比划:D
以下资料是从asherhoa的帖子粘过来的。不晓得是真是假。
toga Posted - 01/12/2008 : 11:17:21
個人所聽聞過的號稱由皇家空軍飛官私下透露，信不信由你英國佬奇談彙整：
1. 在不對外正式公開的英美老大老二友誼賽中，颱風老二能用雷達探測到猛禽大佬的距離，從距離8至80公里不等～或許這便是有與沒有使用RCS放大裝置的差異？？？
2. 在對抗完全匿蹤態的猛禽時，即使是以嘴砲聞名全球業餘軍迷界的英國佬也不得不承認颱風寶貝的末代機掃雷達無法在BVR空戰距離下察覺其存在，不過其還是有另打嘴砲之法～DASS電戰系統在對抗過程中仍是能察覺號稱電磁匿蹤的APG-77雷達之訊跡，從而採取適當的電子軟殺反制～也許英國空軍官方在颱風姬自美返回之後，發表聲明聲稱颱風戰機電戰系統在美測試期間的表現令人十分滿意與激賞的部分依據便是在此？？？
3. 至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。
不過根據：
http://www.eurofighter.com/downloads/EFReviewIssue2.pdf
The results of Exercise Indra Dhanush?
“Outstanding!”declares Squadron Leader Smith, adding:“This is an Su-30 MKI, the very latest Russian technology with thrust vectoring, probably the pinnacle of Eastern European weaponry currently fielded and from the results we've seen this week, not a problem!”
最后一段英文应该是印度的彩虹试练2007。看来台风赢了。
注意这一段：
“至於在狗戰方面，皇家嘴砲團同樣有人聲稱颱風姬曾在未公開的友誼對抗中以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過，而與後者的狗戰對抗勝利甚至有HUD影像為證，去向英國國防部求證就知道了。～AFM月刊的編輯真的有去求證過，但是得到不承認也不否認的制式官方反應。”
狗战干掉30本在意料之中。但为何能赢f-22?从数据上看和狗战有关的一切性能猛禽都在台风之上，是不是台风负多胜少，报喜不报忧而已。
ZWZ大大找到不少好玩的东西啊，呵呵！！有点意思！！
超级虫和隼都有过格斗"击落"猛禽的战果,台风能赢一次一点不奇怪.
但是没有都赢猛禽的HUD影像,这个底气上面……;P
但是没有都赢猛禽的HUD影像,这个底气上面……;P
以超人一等的高速運動機敏性先後分別讓猛禽與Su-30（MKI？）吃鱉過。
和su－30mki的那一战中不是说su－30mki赢了吗？怎么又成EF-2000了？
但是没有都赢猛禽的HUD影像,这个底气上面……
关于超级虫子PK猛禽，曾有人发过一幅视频截图，正好就是那次对抗中超级虫子锁定22的瞬间。
双赢,一方赢得情报,一方赢得自尊.:D :D :D
但为何能赢f-22?从数据上看和狗战有关的一切性能猛禽都在台风之上。
这应该并不奇怪吧，纸面上的数据只是个量化的标准，而空战的胜负却往往更多的取决于当时的空战场景与飞行员的意识。TG不是就很善于创造此类的奇迹吗;P
另外再问一下，关于这件事的真实性到底有没有经过核查？消息来源出自于哪里？可信度究竟如何？
一切数据占优并不表示你可以打100次赢100次,能赢90次已经很成功了.;P
F-16也还"击落"过F-22呢,这是在红旗菌演中.演习输赢不足以做为依据,演练背后都有其小算盘
During the 07 Indra Dhanush Exercise：
1. 為了避免雙方主力AAM的射程等性能參數外洩，大會為參賽的藍紅軍制定同一規範且異於英印雙方現役彈種的虛擬BVRAAM與WVRAAM。
2. 印度佬不想機密外洩，因此整場軍演期間，Su-30MKI的雷達／IRST／HMS都未開機，所以僅在AWACS的管制指揮下用於狗戰。
3. 在多機對抗時，參賽主力（八架英國Tornado F3與六架印度Su-30MKI）是平均打散分配在藍紅軍理，交鋒時先由雙方的Tornado F3打BVR戰，接著再由Su-30MKI打有所保留（不用HMS與TVC）的近距狗戰。
4. 參加本次軍演的颱風戰機只有兩架，基本上只是插花性質且同樣平均分配給藍紅軍雙方～相對於印度方面避免以Su-30MKI打模擬BVR戰，英國方面則排除任何讓颱風戰機在狀態未全的情況下直接與Su-30MKI狗戰一騎討的可能。
5. 所以簡而言之：在雙方皆大幅保留與隱藏實力下，本次軍演其實根本看不出什麼颱風與超級側衛之間的具體優劣高下.......
TOGA自我矛盾？:o
1. 為了避免雙方主力AAM的射程等性能參數外洩，大會為參賽的藍紅軍制定同一規範且異於英印雙方現役彈種的虛擬BVRAAM與WVRAAM。
2. 印度佬不想機密外洩，因此整場軍演期間，Su-30MKI的雷達／IRST／HMS都未開機，所以僅在AWACS的管制指揮下用於狗戰。
3. 在多機對抗時，參賽主力（八架英國Tornado F3與六架印度Su-30MKI）是平均打散分配在藍紅軍理，交鋒時先由雙方的Tornado F3打BVR戰，接著再由Su-30MKI打有所保留（不用HMS與TVC）的近距狗戰。
4. 參加本次軍演的颱風戰機只有兩架，基本上只是插花性質且同樣平均分配給藍紅軍雙方～相對於印度方面避免以Su-30MKI打模擬BVR戰，英國方面則排除任何讓颱風戰機在狀態未全的情況下直接與Su-30MKI狗戰一騎討的可能。
5. 所以簡而言之：在雙方皆大幅保留與隱藏實力下，本次軍演其實根本看不出什麼颱風與超級側衛之間的具體優劣高下.......
TOGA自我矛盾？:o
按照TOGA的说法，历次演习中30使用AWACS并非耍赖, 而是代替了雷达／IRST／HMS。
http://dailylark.blogspot.com/20 ... -indra-dhanush.html
Wednesday, August 08, 2007
Typhoon vs. SU-30MKI: The 2007 Indra Dhanush Exercise
DID usually restricts its coverage to procurements, but issues of doctrine and lessons and innovations from the field also qualify. Drawing conclusions from exercises is always tricky, and can never replace combat experience. Even so, in the absence of state-on-state conflicts, the expansion of multi-national training (where "gaming" is less likely) occasionally offers an interesting window into platform capabilities and national trends. With a number of air forces around the world contemplating their future fighter options, and India emphasizing the value of force multiplier/ force projection platforms in its air force, the matchups at Exercise Indra Dhanush 2007 at Waddington, UK are worth our time.
While SU-30Ks have faced USAF F-15Cs and F-16s at COPE India 2004 and COPE India 2005, Indra Dhanush 2007 featured more advanced combatants on both sides. On one side is Britain's Eurofighter Typhoon, whose advanced aerodynamics and intuitive controls and avionics have led to studies like the UK DERA rating it as the second-best air superiority aircraft in the world. Its supporting cast includes 1980s era Tornado F3 air defense variants, and upgraded GR9 Harriers from the Royal Navy. On the other side is India's SU-30MKI, the most evolved variant of Sukhoi's outstanding Flanker family, with aerodynamics that allow unique maneuvers, and full thrust vectoring besides.
India's Ministry of Defense, had this to say about the initial RAF-IAF clashes, and adds some words of wisdom:
"The operational part of the 'Exercise Indradhanush-2007' began with a series of 1 vs 1 air combat sorties… The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manouevring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated. [emphasis DID's] The IAF pilots on their part were also visibly impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air.
While it does not imply to say that the 1 vs 1 air combat sorties were meant for backslapping each other, it may be understood that in today's aerial combat scenarios of 'beyond visual range' (BVR) capabilities of air platforms, it is highly unlikely that any of the modern-day fighters will ever get into a situation that warrants extreme close air combat, as in the situation simulated in the 1 vs 1 sorties. With a 'kill' criterion of front-gun ranges being mostly under 1000 metres and a visual tracking envelope behind the target for only up to a 60-degree cone mostly for most fighter aircraft of the world, the unlikely scenario gets more exemplified.
But the irony also lies in the fact that while there is a number of counter and counter-counter measures to make the modern missiles with claims of inescapable parameters redundant by using 'chaff' and other active/passive measures, a 'gun kill' is invariably a most certain kill. The pilots invariably begin honing their tracking and combat skills under such close combat situations."
This is true. Even in the modern missile age, most air-to-air kills have remained within visual range. As such, performance within the parameters of this initial matchup still matters.
At short missile ranges, both aircraft are equipped with canards for fast "slew and point" maneuvers, infared search & track systems, helmet-mounted sights, and ultra-maneuverable short-range infared missiles (ASRAAM, AA-11/R-73) with wide boresight seeker cones. This creates more forgiving parameters for a kill than the front gun range requirements; the SU-30MKI's superior maneuverability would have to contend with UK Typhoon flight profiles enabled by ASRAAM's longer range and lock-on after launch capability.
In longer-range combat situations, however, issues of detection and reach would also come into play. The Eurofighter is smaller, and is generally agreed to have more "shaping" than the SU-30 to reduce its radar profile (though neither aircraft is in the same class as the F-22A Raptor or even the less-stealthy F-35 Lightning II); and its Meteor ramjet BVRAAM missile is explicitly designed to kill from longer range than the Russian AA-12/R-77. Speed can compensate to some degree by reducing detection time and extending missile range, especially in "HVA busting" missions against tankers, AWACS aircraft, et. al. Unlike the American F-22A, however, the Typhoon's supercruise capability for sustained speed above Mach 1 apparently relies on the aircraft being "clean" (no external stores), while the SU-30 currently lacks that capability until and unless plans for an uprated engine come to fruition.
Exercise Indra Dhanush 2007 came to an end on July 12/07, reaching its crescendo with a 6 vs. 6 aerial combat involving 4 Indian Su-30 MKIs, 4 British F3 Tornado air defence variants, 2 British Typhoons, and 2 of the Royal Navy's GR9 Harriers. An Indian IL-78 MKI aerial tanker and a British E-3D Sentry AWACS aircraft were also in the air. No details were released regarding the results, but we're sure they made for very interesting debriefs.
Meanwhile, amidst the excitement of the aerial battles, the successful deployment of India's aircraft using IAF aerial refueling and logistics personnel might go unnoticed. From India's point of view, however, these developments may be even more important than the results of the fighter match-ups in the air. An MoD release notes that:
"When the Indian Air Force (IAF) Jaguars flew to Alaska during their first overseas joint air exercise "Cope Thunder" in July '04, the newly inducted Ilyushin-78 MKI 'air-to-air' refuellers of the IAF heralded their acquired strategic reach capability. This year, the six Su-30 MKIs that flew from Pune airbase in India to Royal Air Force (RAF) airbase at Waddington (UK), were also accompanied by two IL-78 MKIs of the 'Valorous MARS' (No. 78 Mid-Air-Refuelling Squadron) from Agra through their long ferry route. Despite the din and the excitement of the first-ever arrival of the formidable Su-30 MKIs at UK, the significant aspect of IAF's continued enhanced strategic reach capability, did not however go unnoticed.
"The IL-78 MKIs [DID: a variant of Russia's IL-76 heavy transport aircraft] have been employed in five overseas assignment so far. These include Alaska, South Africa, France, Singapore and now UK," informed Group Captain K Raghavendra, Commanding Officer of the MARS. "We would have loved the experience of tanking RAF fighters during the exercise that would have made inter-operability possible. We look forward to such an experience in the future," he added on RAF Tornadoes not having tanked with them during the exercise.
The six IAF Su-30 MKI fighters will have flown nearly 19,000 kms each, tanked eight times and transferred nearly 225 tonnes of fuel mid-air in all, spread over 28 flying hours with stopovers enroute at Doha (Qatar) and Tanagra (Greece), both ways."
Once India receives its IL-76 derivative Russian-Israeli Phalcon AWACS aircraft, its ability to project power abroad will grow significantly; and the INS Vikramaditya carrier project will provide a further boost. Exercises like Indra Dhanush 2007 are valuable for the insights they provide – but they are also valuable for the trends they presage. The logistics and interoperability lessons learned by the IAF during this exercise are and indicator of, and a contributor to, some trends worth watching.
Wednesday, August 08, 2007
Typhoon vs. SU-30MKI: The 2007 Indra Dhanush Exercise
DID usually restricts its coverage to procurements, but issues of doctrine and lessons and innovations from the field also qualify. Drawing conclusions from exercises is always tricky, and can never replace combat experience. Even so, in the absence of state-on-state conflicts, the expansion of multi-national training (where "gaming" is less likely) occasionally offers an interesting window into platform capabilities and national trends. With a number of air forces around the world contemplating their future fighter options, and India emphasizing the value of force multiplier/ force projection platforms in its air force, the matchups at Exercise Indra Dhanush 2007 at Waddington, UK are worth our time.
While SU-30Ks have faced USAF F-15Cs and F-16s at COPE India 2004 and COPE India 2005, Indra Dhanush 2007 featured more advanced combatants on both sides. On one side is Britain's Eurofighter Typhoon, whose advanced aerodynamics and intuitive controls and avionics have led to studies like the UK DERA rating it as the second-best air superiority aircraft in the world. Its supporting cast includes 1980s era Tornado F3 air defense variants, and upgraded GR9 Harriers from the Royal Navy. On the other side is India's SU-30MKI, the most evolved variant of Sukhoi's outstanding Flanker family, with aerodynamics that allow unique maneuvers, and full thrust vectoring besides.
India's Ministry of Defense, had this to say about the initial RAF-IAF clashes, and adds some words of wisdom:
"The operational part of the 'Exercise Indradhanush-2007' began with a series of 1 vs 1 air combat sorties… The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manouevring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated. [emphasis DID's] The IAF pilots on their part were also visibly impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air.
While it does not imply to say that the 1 vs 1 air combat sorties were meant for backslapping each other, it may be understood that in today's aerial combat scenarios of 'beyond visual range' (BVR) capabilities of air platforms, it is highly unlikely that any of the modern-day fighters will ever get into a situation that warrants extreme close air combat, as in the situation simulated in the 1 vs 1 sorties. With a 'kill' criterion of front-gun ranges being mostly under 1000 metres and a visual tracking envelope behind the target for only up to a 60-degree cone mostly for most fighter aircraft of the world, the unlikely scenario gets more exemplified.
But the irony also lies in the fact that while there is a number of counter and counter-counter measures to make the modern missiles with claims of inescapable parameters redundant by using 'chaff' and other active/passive measures, a 'gun kill' is invariably a most certain kill. The pilots invariably begin honing their tracking and combat skills under such close combat situations."
This is true. Even in the modern missile age, most air-to-air kills have remained within visual range. As such, performance within the parameters of this initial matchup still matters.
At short missile ranges, both aircraft are equipped with canards for fast "slew and point" maneuvers, infared search & track systems, helmet-mounted sights, and ultra-maneuverable short-range infared missiles (ASRAAM, AA-11/R-73) with wide boresight seeker cones. This creates more forgiving parameters for a kill than the front gun range requirements; the SU-30MKI's superior maneuverability would have to contend with UK Typhoon flight profiles enabled by ASRAAM's longer range and lock-on after launch capability.
In longer-range combat situations, however, issues of detection and reach would also come into play. The Eurofighter is smaller, and is generally agreed to have more "shaping" than the SU-30 to reduce its radar profile (though neither aircraft is in the same class as the F-22A Raptor or even the less-stealthy F-35 Lightning II); and its Meteor ramjet BVRAAM missile is explicitly designed to kill from longer range than the Russian AA-12/R-77. Speed can compensate to some degree by reducing detection time and extending missile range, especially in "HVA busting" missions against tankers, AWACS aircraft, et. al. Unlike the American F-22A, however, the Typhoon's supercruise capability for sustained speed above Mach 1 apparently relies on the aircraft being "clean" (no external stores), while the SU-30 currently lacks that capability until and unless plans for an uprated engine come to fruition.
Exercise Indra Dhanush 2007 came to an end on July 12/07, reaching its crescendo with a 6 vs. 6 aerial combat involving 4 Indian Su-30 MKIs, 4 British F3 Tornado air defence variants, 2 British Typhoons, and 2 of the Royal Navy's GR9 Harriers. An Indian IL-78 MKI aerial tanker and a British E-3D Sentry AWACS aircraft were also in the air. No details were released regarding the results, but we're sure they made for very interesting debriefs.
Meanwhile, amidst the excitement of the aerial battles, the successful deployment of India's aircraft using IAF aerial refueling and logistics personnel might go unnoticed. From India's point of view, however, these developments may be even more important than the results of the fighter match-ups in the air. An MoD release notes that:
"When the Indian Air Force (IAF) Jaguars flew to Alaska during their first overseas joint air exercise "Cope Thunder" in July '04, the newly inducted Ilyushin-78 MKI 'air-to-air' refuellers of the IAF heralded their acquired strategic reach capability. This year, the six Su-30 MKIs that flew from Pune airbase in India to Royal Air Force (RAF) airbase at Waddington (UK), were also accompanied by two IL-78 MKIs of the 'Valorous MARS' (No. 78 Mid-Air-Refuelling Squadron) from Agra through their long ferry route. Despite the din and the excitement of the first-ever arrival of the formidable Su-30 MKIs at UK, the significant aspect of IAF's continued enhanced strategic reach capability, did not however go unnoticed.
"The IL-78 MKIs [DID: a variant of Russia's IL-76 heavy transport aircraft] have been employed in five overseas assignment so far. These include Alaska, South Africa, France, Singapore and now UK," informed Group Captain K Raghavendra, Commanding Officer of the MARS. "We would have loved the experience of tanking RAF fighters during the exercise that would have made inter-operability possible. We look forward to such an experience in the future," he added on RAF Tornadoes not having tanked with them during the exercise.
The six IAF Su-30 MKI fighters will have flown nearly 19,000 kms each, tanked eight times and transferred nearly 225 tonnes of fuel mid-air in all, spread over 28 flying hours with stopovers enroute at Doha (Qatar) and Tanagra (Greece), both ways."
Once India receives its IL-76 derivative Russian-Israeli Phalcon AWACS aircraft, its ability to project power abroad will grow significantly; and the INS Vikramaditya carrier project will provide a further boost. Exercises like Indra Dhanush 2007 are valuable for the insights they provide – but they are also valuable for the trends they presage. The logistics and interoperability lessons learned by the IAF during this exercise are and indicator of, and a contributor to, some trends worth watching.
原帖由 斯普鲁恩斯 于 2008-1-21 15:12 发表
和su－30mki的那一战中不是说su－30mki赢了吗？怎么又成EF-2000了？
我怎么记得是打平。
rcs放大器？到了TG这就变成了某杀手锏了
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFez8-9oDkQ&feature=related
送上视频一个。台风vs猛禽
送上视频一个。台风vs猛禽
原帖由 zwz 于 2008-1-21 20:12 发表
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFez8-9oDkQ&feature=related
送上视频一个。台风vs猛禽
那视频还行，那些回复看起来才过瘾。
欧洲人 PK 美国人，猛禽粉 VS 蜜蜂粉。:D
1万3点击，200回复，在youtube里算高的了。