阿三被美国拒绝发狠要研制中距空空导弹

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印度防务2007年2月19日报道:

印度正在寻求射程达到120公里的空空导弹。[ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]

为了维持印度空军在亚洲范围内在超视距空战领域内的优势,印度空军正在制定一个获得中远距空空导弹的计划。

但是令印度空军郁闷的是,作为这类导弹的供应国,美国拒绝向印度提供此类导弹。而与此同时,美国却向邻国巴基斯坦的F16战斗机提供了类似的导弹。(老美果然留一手)

受到如此的挫折之后,印度航空企业IAF的官员表示将尽力获得射程达到120公里的空空导弹。

印度空军现在拥有的中距离空空导弹分别为:俄罗斯的 R-27 REI能够在35公里的距离上索定目标。而射程更远的是R-77 和法国的 R-550 射程在60公里。

但是印度官员也承认:“如果要研制如此长射程的空空导弹应该会需要国际合作”(终于说出一句大实话)

Air Force Looks For Long Range (120Kms) BVR Missiles


Dated 18/2/2007

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To maintain its unchallenged dominance in beyond visual range (BVR) combat in the South Asian region, Indian Air Force has embarked upon a major plan to acquire longer range air-to-air missiles.


India's dominance in offensive air superiority operations is being dented by the supply of similar BVR missiles to Pakistan by the US in government-to-government sales.


This sudden move has spurred IAF officials to make quick efforts to purchase 120-km range air-to-air missiles. The acquisition of such missiles, which sport ramjet propulsion, will make IAF the lone Air Force in Asia to have such an unparallelled capability, top IAF officials said.


Acquisition of these missiles is being undertaken in tandem with moves to induct combat aircraft with active phased array radars.


The new 40 Sukhoi-30 advanced version MKI, whose purchase in a deal worth 2.6 billion dollars has been cleared by the government, and 126 medium range combat aircraft, tenders for which are expected to be floated by this month-end, will be equipped with the new radars, officials said.


These new radars will for the first time give the IAF the capability to detect targets as far as 300 km away and the means to fire such longer range air-to-air missiles.


Till now, the IAF had an unchallenged dominance in beyond visual range combat with its array of MiG fighters equipped with R-27 REI and R-27 RETs missiles with a target lock-on of 35 km for close combat and the longer range R-77 and French R-550 Magic Mantra missiles capable of shooting down targets 60 km away.


But the recent decision of the US administration to clear the supply of AMRAAM and AIM-9M Sidewinder beyond visual range missiles to Pakistan has eroded the IAF's dominance in air combat, officials admitted.


The US government has cleared the sale of AMRAAM and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles worth 240 million dollars to Islamabad to equip its new batch of 50 F-16 fighters.


"There are moves also to start indigenous development of such long-range missiles by DRDO with possible foreign collaboration," a DRDO sources said.[ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]


With the induction of three Phalcon airborne early warning and control aircraft between November this year and 2009, the IAF would get the capability to conduct and control airborne operations upto 400 km inside hostile airspace.


The new Su-30MKI, which India would be acquiring by 2009, would be equipped with Ibris active phased radars which will transform the fighters into a dedicated information weapons platforms.


Thanks to a large number of fighter exercises carried out with foreign Air Forces, IAF pilots have mastered beyond visual range combat even in an AWACS environment. "The pilots are all agog to train with longer range BVR missiles," an IAF official said

从以上这篇报道来看,阿三购买美国战斗机的机会已经不大了。

美国对阿三的戒心是很大的,毕竟阿三空军和老毛子走的那么近(用那么多俄式战斗机俄国工程师肯定也很多),一不小心自己的先进技术被老毛子看光了就惨了。

不把与战斗机相配套的先进的空空导弹卖给阿三,那阿三要这些先进的F18和F16有什么用?难不成要买美国飞再自己把俄国导弹装上去用?能够兼容吗?美国会允许吗?印度防务2007年2月19日报道:

印度正在寻求射程达到120公里的空空导弹。[ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]

为了维持印度空军在亚洲范围内在超视距空战领域内的优势,印度空军正在制定一个获得中远距空空导弹的计划。

但是令印度空军郁闷的是,作为这类导弹的供应国,美国拒绝向印度提供此类导弹。而与此同时,美国却向邻国巴基斯坦的F16战斗机提供了类似的导弹。(老美果然留一手)

受到如此的挫折之后,印度航空企业IAF的官员表示将尽力获得射程达到120公里的空空导弹。

印度空军现在拥有的中距离空空导弹分别为:俄罗斯的 R-27 REI能够在35公里的距离上索定目标。而射程更远的是R-77 和法国的 R-550 射程在60公里。

但是印度官员也承认:“如果要研制如此长射程的空空导弹应该会需要国际合作”(终于说出一句大实话)

Air Force Looks For Long Range (120Kms) BVR Missiles


Dated 18/2/2007

Printer Friendly Subscribe

To maintain its unchallenged dominance in beyond visual range (BVR) combat in the South Asian region, Indian Air Force has embarked upon a major plan to acquire longer range air-to-air missiles.


India's dominance in offensive air superiority operations is being dented by the supply of similar BVR missiles to Pakistan by the US in government-to-government sales.


This sudden move has spurred IAF officials to make quick efforts to purchase 120-km range air-to-air missiles. The acquisition of such missiles, which sport ramjet propulsion, will make IAF the lone Air Force in Asia to have such an unparallelled capability, top IAF officials said.


Acquisition of these missiles is being undertaken in tandem with moves to induct combat aircraft with active phased array radars.


The new 40 Sukhoi-30 advanced version MKI, whose purchase in a deal worth 2.6 billion dollars has been cleared by the government, and 126 medium range combat aircraft, tenders for which are expected to be floated by this month-end, will be equipped with the new radars, officials said.


These new radars will for the first time give the IAF the capability to detect targets as far as 300 km away and the means to fire such longer range air-to-air missiles.


Till now, the IAF had an unchallenged dominance in beyond visual range combat with its array of MiG fighters equipped with R-27 REI and R-27 RETs missiles with a target lock-on of 35 km for close combat and the longer range R-77 and French R-550 Magic Mantra missiles capable of shooting down targets 60 km away.


But the recent decision of the US administration to clear the supply of AMRAAM and AIM-9M Sidewinder beyond visual range missiles to Pakistan has eroded the IAF's dominance in air combat, officials admitted.


The US government has cleared the sale of AMRAAM and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles worth 240 million dollars to Islamabad to equip its new batch of 50 F-16 fighters.


"There are moves also to start indigenous development of such long-range missiles by DRDO with possible foreign collaboration," a DRDO sources said.[ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]


With the induction of three Phalcon airborne early warning and control aircraft between November this year and 2009, the IAF would get the capability to conduct and control airborne operations upto 400 km inside hostile airspace.


The new Su-30MKI, which India would be acquiring by 2009, would be equipped with Ibris active phased radars which will transform the fighters into a dedicated information weapons platforms.


Thanks to a large number of fighter exercises carried out with foreign Air Forces, IAF pilots have mastered beyond visual range combat even in an AWACS environment. "The pilots are all agog to train with longer range BVR missiles," an IAF official said

从以上这篇报道来看,阿三购买美国战斗机的机会已经不大了。

美国对阿三的戒心是很大的,毕竟阿三空军和老毛子走的那么近(用那么多俄式战斗机俄国工程师肯定也很多),一不小心自己的先进技术被老毛子看光了就惨了。

不把与战斗机相配套的先进的空空导弹卖给阿三,那阿三要这些先进的F18和F16有什么用?难不成要买美国飞再自己把俄国导弹装上去用?能够兼容吗?美国会允许吗?
看来A3要买MIG35了:D
楼主一定转少了一个零,阿三的中距一定在1200公里以上!
原帖由 fengxiang 于 2007-2-21 18:40 发表
印度防务2007年2月19日报道:

印度正在寻求射程达到120公里的空空导弹。http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]

为了维持印度空军在亚洲范围内在超视距空战领域内的优势,印度空军正在制定一个获得中远距空空导弹的计划 ...



看毛子愿不愿把R77的冲压改进型给阿三了
结果只有两种
1.求助俄罗斯(类似布拉莫斯的发展轨迹)
2.自己研制~经历99八十一难.77四十九年终于做出59.9分的导弹:D :D :D
不要小看A3:D
印度的体制好:lol
老美果然阴险。。。其实老美根本不缺卖军火那点钱,俄罗斯那是真的很需要那笔钱来救活一些不景气的军工企业。拿出f18ef给阿3看看,让他知道什么才是好东西。想买的话就坐下来谈条件哦
啊三是不是有想法要搞老美啊,毕竟啊三现在是强国啊:D
我觉得这个是个坏消息!
在中国人登上火星之前我们一定能看到印度自行研制生产的主动中距弹!大家一定要对印度有信心!
原帖由 二锅头爱好者 于 2007-2-21 20:48 发表
在中国人登上火星之前我们一定能看到印度自行研制生产的主动中距弹!大家一定要对印度有信心!

做人要厚道;P
R77就可以了!
那阿三就慢慢搞吧!
不成就还的用R77改型了!
中距蛋不是那么好搞的,数数世界上有几种?
其实老美就是咯应阿三,明知道你买不了茅台但是还得让你看看,这样让你买二锅头的时候心里多么不平衡。
不过这个世界也是真不平衡,毛子卖东西那是为了买粮食养活一家老小;老米卖东西那是为了周末心血来潮和老婆孩子出去看电影的开销。
楼上的说地相当精辟。。严重同意
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其实美国还算厚道啦,话说在明处,如果先不说,忽悠印度买了F18E/F,挤掉竞争对手,再告诉它,AIM120不卖.那印度就真抓狂了.印度不是号称软件业发达吗,就去解美国火控软件的源代码吧.印度到现在不也拿俄罗斯SU30的源代码无处下嘴吗?
原帖由 二锅头爱好者 于 2007-2-21 23:17 发表
其实美国还算厚道啦,话说在明处,如果先不说,忽悠印度买了F18E/F,挤掉竞争对手,再告诉它,AIM120不卖.那印度就真抓狂了.印度不是号称软件业发达吗,就去解美国火控软件的源代码吧.印度到现在不也拿俄罗斯SU30的源代 ...

如果签定了超级虫子的合同,配套武器是一定会给的.
我觉得这也可能是反向要挟:你不买我的超级虫子,就别想买我的导弹!
当初美帝不就这么对付棒子的吗;P 另外,我想知道现在印度空军装备序列里有多少能发射美制导弹?
132厂卖东西是为了不再造鸟笼,工人下班路上可以买点蛋糕之类的。
其实132厂里生活去的东西都比我们市区的东西要贵些。
原帖由 二锅头爱好者 于 2007-2-21 23:17 发表
其实美国还算厚道啦,话说在明处,如果先不说,忽悠印度买了F18E/F,挤掉竞争对手,再告诉它,AIM120不卖.那印度就真抓狂了.印度不是号称软件业发达吗,就去解美国火控软件的源代码吧.印度到现在不也拿俄罗斯SU30的源代 ...


啊三只证明帮别人外包软件还行,自主开发我看连金山都不如.
哈哈,这也太把阿三看的低了吧
原帖由 zhu250 于 2007-2-22 00:46 发表


啊三只证明帮别人外包软件还行,自主开发我看连金山都不如.
原帖由 kmplayer 于 2007-2-22 00:56 发表
哈哈,这也太把阿三看的低了吧


没去过印度,不知道他们有啥子软件咧,哪怕是个最普通应用软件.
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原帖由 ddyyaa 于 2007-2-21 19:41 发表
楼主一定转少了一个零,阿三的中距一定在1200公里以上!





ho-ho ho-ho ho-ho :D
原帖由 blueworld 于 2007-2-22 01:01 发表

解代码?大型软件,反汇编或进行系统分析级别的大改的结果就是比从头研究的耗费更高。

没人会傻到去解别人的代码,偷到有可能。

中国人被迫干过解代码的事情.......;P
原帖由 840206 于 2007-2-21 23:20 发表

如果签定了超级虫子的合同,配套武器是一定会给的.
我觉得这也可能是反向要挟:你不买我的超级虫子,就别想买我的导弹!
当初美帝不就这么对付棒子的吗;P 另外,我想知道现在印度空军装备序列里有多少能发射美制导弹?

嘿嘿,先答应你卖,等准备签合同了再耍你,想买吗?加钱!反正现在就我独家了.
啊呀, 啊3很强大的,人家什么都比TG好.恩恩.....
:D :D 没人卖咱们卖他,整个猴版PL
继续买呗。:)
原帖由 fly2000 于 2007-2-22 14:09 发表
继续买呗。:)

挨宰专业户~:D
原帖由 二锅头爱好者 于 2007-2-22 09:18 发表

中国人被迫干过解代码的事情.......;P

老大莫非说的是27??
记得27一开始不能挂我们自己的PL
原帖由 二锅头爱好者 于 2007-2-22 09:18 发表

中国人被迫干过解代码的事情.......;P

先告诉我什么级别的软件,全部还是部分。

军事我不懂,但某些关键地方,比如算法,要是能反编译后整理出来,这很正常。
这是要有前提的,你至少得基本掌握了此套软件的设计流程和方法。
或者说,这里的解代码,不是我前面说的系统分析级别的破解。
自己手上已经有了自己设计的系统分析书。

之前没有从事过这方面的研究和投入,大型软件的反编译的绝对得不尝失。
不说别的,对垃圾代码的整理,就是巨额投入。
印度人搞的这个导弹叫ASTRA 来自于梵语,意思就是武器的意思.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/astra.htm
由印度防御研究与发展局研制(DRDO),1999年首次试射,计划用于印度空军的MIG-20、SU-30、LCA和海航的海鹞。与俄罗斯的R-77和法国的玛特拉560D比较相近。采用边条翼,可以提供40个G的机动能力,射程大约在100公里,导引头工作距离15公里,导弹长为3.8米,直径0.178米,重量为175公斤,包括15公斤重的战斗部.另外DRDO还有个固冲改型的计划增加射程
印度以前不是搞过叫什么兰天的地空导弹吗,怎么没了下文?
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2631
印度在去年划了20亿卢比干这个事情.
The Government has extended fiscal sops given to prestigious indigenous air-to-air missile project, Astra, by six more years.

The extension of the sops, in the form of excise and customs duty concessions, till August 31, 2012 will cost the exchequer Rs 200 crore.

The concessions to the project, aimed at developing beyond visual range air-to-air missile, were to expire this year, the Central Board of Excise and Customs said in two notifications issued recently.

The excise duty sops were given to the project originally in 1995 and customs duty concession the following year.

The Astra missile (from the Sanskrit Astrā, meaning "Weapon") is an air-to-air (AA), beyond visual range (BVR) missile under development by India under its Integrated Guided Missile Development Program. This is the first indigenous air-to-air missile developed by India. The range of this missile is 80 km in head-on chase and 15 km in tail chase. This missile was successfully tested without control and guidance systems on May 9 to May 12, 2003.

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing this advanced beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) for its Mirage 2000, MiG-29, Sea Harrier, Su-30, and the Light Combat Aircraft [LCA]. Astra looks like an elongated Matra 530. It uses an indigenously developed solid fuel propellant, though DRDO is believed to be looking at rocket/ramjet propulsion similar to that used in its AKASH SAM project. The missile's onboard radio-frequency seeker has been designed in India. It will have an active homing range of 15 km. The missile has a pre-fragmented warhead & is fitted with a proximity fuze. A radar fuze already exists for the Astra, but the DRDO is currently working on a new laser fuze.
从这个上新闻可以看出印度寻求这个增程弹可能采用蓝天也就是前苏联的SA-6导弹的冲压发动机
原帖由 fayewonghz 于 2007-2-22 17:51 发表
印度以前不是搞过叫什么兰天的地空导弹吗,怎么没了下文?

ASTRA后面那个导弹就是蓝天
原帖由 小飞猪 于 2007-2-22 17:52 发表

ASTRA后面那个导弹就是蓝天

;P 不是一般的丑啊,请问服役了没有
那个蓝天MS老毛子的SAM-6改的...
原帖由 365赌王 于 2007-2-22 17:57 发表
那个蓝天MS老毛子的SAM-6改的...

不会吧,这么烂................想当年某杂志还把它和爱国者等列为同一代
就是因为性能达不到要求,下课鸟...