巴基斯坦同意PAF为来自中国的J-10战斗机购买事项开始谈 ...

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<p>内阁同意对 F-16's 和J-10高科技飞机的购买</p><p>2006年4月17日:巴基斯坦内阁同意PAF(巴国空军)为来自美国的F-16和中国的J-10战斗机购买事项开始谈判。美国和中国已经提议提供这些飞机给巴基斯坦。PAF 将会购买除了导弹和其他的仪器以外的 98架高科技飞机改善巴基斯坦空军 (PAF) 的能力。从美国和中国购买高科技飞机和装备包括以下清单:J-10飞机 (36架),F-16 A/B,美国以前答应出售给巴基斯坦 (26架) ,F-16 C/D(18 由于选项对于另外 18 个) ,SD-10 BVR (超视距)导弹 (300发),BVR,500(超视距导弹)(美国),对准荚(TP) 18和联合攻击弹药(JDAM).(500发)</p><p>该文件说明:整个项目的开支符合PAF(巴国空军)在武装的部队发展计划(AFFDP-2019)中的部分内容。内阁指出,依照该文件,已经允许PAF与CATIC(中航)为36架 FC-20飞机的采购建立联合的工作小组(JWG)。 政府也会为购买J-10飞机确保来自中国政府的长期信用融资方面帮助PAF(巴国空军),除允许PAF经过国防部为F-16 包裹和设备开始一封请求(LoR)的信之外。</p><p>原文:</p><p><font face="Verdana"><span lang="en-us"><font size="3"><strong>Cabinet Approves Purchase Of F-16's And J-10 High Tech Aircrafts</strong></font></span><font size="3"> </font></font></p><div class="normaltext" align="justify"><p align="left"><font face="Verdana" size="2">April 1<span lang="en-us">7,</span> 2006: Pakistan's cabinet gave approval to the country's air force to begin negotiations for the purchase of&nbsp; F-16<span lang="en-us"> and J-10</span> fighter aircraft<span lang="en-us">s</span> from the US<span lang="en-us"> and China</span>.<span lang="en-us"> Both America and China has already offered these planes to Pakistan. </span>P<span lang="en-us">AF</span> will purchase 98 hi-tech aircraft<span lang="en-us"> </span>besides missiles and other equipment to improve the capabilities of Pakistan Air Force (PAF).<span lang="en-us"> </span>M<span lang="en-us">ixed</span> package of hi-tech aircraft and equipment is being purchased from USA and China are as under:<span lang="en-us"> J-10</span> aircraft (36), F-16 A/B, ex-Pakistan (26), F-16 C/D (18 with an option for 18 more), SD-10 BVR missiles (300),<span lang="en-us"> </span>BVR, 500<span lang="en-us"> </span>(American<span lang="en-us">)</span>, targeting pods 18 and joint direct attack munitions (500).<br/><br/>The expenditure on the entire package would be met from PAF share in Armed Forces Development Program (AFFDP-2019), the document says. The Cabinet, according to the document, has allowed PAF to set up Joint Working Group (JWG) with CATIC for procurement of 36 FC-20 aircraft.<span lang="en-us"> </span>The government would also help PAF in securing long-term credit financing for the <span lang="en-us">J-10</span> aircraft from Chinese government, besides allowing PAF to initiate a Letter of Request (LoR) for the F-16 package and equipment through the Defence Ministry.<br/><br/>While elaborating the background, Defence Ministry said that PAF gave a presentation to the President and Prime Minister on the state of present fighter fleet and its various hi-tech aircraft options on March 31, 2006.<span lang="en-us"> </span>At present, PAF's combat fleet consists of around <span lang="en-us">400</span> aircraft. The bulk of its inventory comprises old Mirages and Chinese-origin A-5, FT-6 and F-7 aircraft. With the exception of F-7 PGs, most of these aircraft are more than 20 years old and are scheduled to retire between 2008 and 2015.<br/><br/>Foreseeing this retirement schedule and the known difficulties associated with replacing all old aircraft with western equipment, PAF embarked upon the co-development of JF-17 aircraft. The induction of JF-17 has been planned so as to have a systematic replacement of the retired fleet.<span lang="en-us"> </span>Regarding hi-tech capability, PAF has seriously lagged over the years, mainly due to various geo-political and economic constraints. In order to redress this capability deficit, PAF has very carefully evaluated the hi-tech options against well-defined air staff requirements.<span lang="en-us"> </span>The requirement of multi-role aircraft with effective and modern operational capabilities, supportability, maintainability and other factors were thoroughly evaluated during the trials of available hi-tech options. In this regard, three aircraft namely, Chinese <span lang="en-us">J-10</span>, USF-16 C/D and Swedish Grippen were evaluated.<br/><br/>While the US F-16 C/D and Swedish Grippen qualified against the PAF requirements, the Chinese <span lang="en-us">J-10</span>, in its present state, lagged behind due to the lack of advanced avionics systems and weapons. For the future, however, PAF termed it as a good option with very promising growth potential to become one of the leading frontline fighters to face the challenges of the 21st century.<span lang="en-us"> </span>Further, due to the high cost of Grippen, the F-16 weapon system, along with air-to-air BVR missiles was considered to be the most suitable option to immediately address the critical capability deficit that PAF has accumulated vis-?vis IAF.<span lang="en-us"> </span>The document suggests that the President had directed the Defence Ministry to move a summary for the Cabinet directing the Ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs to adopt proactive approach to influence the United States and Chinese Governments for the release of the requisite package.<br/>&nbsp;</font></p></div>
[此贴子已经被作者于2006-4-19 23:31:28编辑过]
<p>内阁同意对 F-16's 和J-10高科技飞机的购买</p><p>2006年4月17日:巴基斯坦内阁同意PAF(巴国空军)为来自美国的F-16和中国的J-10战斗机购买事项开始谈判。美国和中国已经提议提供这些飞机给巴基斯坦。PAF 将会购买除了导弹和其他的仪器以外的 98架高科技飞机改善巴基斯坦空军 (PAF) 的能力。从美国和中国购买高科技飞机和装备包括以下清单:J-10飞机 (36架),F-16 A/B,美国以前答应出售给巴基斯坦 (26架) ,F-16 C/D(18 由于选项对于另外 18 个) ,SD-10 BVR (超视距)导弹 (300发),BVR,500(超视距导弹)(美国),对准荚(TP) 18和联合攻击弹药(JDAM).(500发)</p><p>该文件说明:整个项目的开支符合PAF(巴国空军)在武装的部队发展计划(AFFDP-2019)中的部分内容。内阁指出,依照该文件,已经允许PAF与CATIC(中航)为36架 FC-20飞机的采购建立联合的工作小组(JWG)。 政府也会为购买J-10飞机确保来自中国政府的长期信用融资方面帮助PAF(巴国空军),除允许PAF经过国防部为F-16 包裹和设备开始一封请求(LoR)的信之外。</p><p>原文:</p><p><font face="Verdana"><span lang="en-us"><font size="3"><strong>Cabinet Approves Purchase Of F-16's And J-10 High Tech Aircrafts</strong></font></span><font size="3"> </font></font></p><div class="normaltext" align="justify"><p align="left"><font face="Verdana" size="2">April 1<span lang="en-us">7,</span> 2006: Pakistan's cabinet gave approval to the country's air force to begin negotiations for the purchase of&nbsp; F-16<span lang="en-us"> and J-10</span> fighter aircraft<span lang="en-us">s</span> from the US<span lang="en-us"> and China</span>.<span lang="en-us"> Both America and China has already offered these planes to Pakistan. </span>P<span lang="en-us">AF</span> will purchase 98 hi-tech aircraft<span lang="en-us"> </span>besides missiles and other equipment to improve the capabilities of Pakistan Air Force (PAF).<span lang="en-us"> </span>M<span lang="en-us">ixed</span> package of hi-tech aircraft and equipment is being purchased from USA and China are as under:<span lang="en-us"> J-10</span> aircraft (36), F-16 A/B, ex-Pakistan (26), F-16 C/D (18 with an option for 18 more), SD-10 BVR missiles (300),<span lang="en-us"> </span>BVR, 500<span lang="en-us"> </span>(American<span lang="en-us">)</span>, targeting pods 18 and joint direct attack munitions (500).<br/><br/>The expenditure on the entire package would be met from PAF share in Armed Forces Development Program (AFFDP-2019), the document says. The Cabinet, according to the document, has allowed PAF to set up Joint Working Group (JWG) with CATIC for procurement of 36 FC-20 aircraft.<span lang="en-us"> </span>The government would also help PAF in securing long-term credit financing for the <span lang="en-us">J-10</span> aircraft from Chinese government, besides allowing PAF to initiate a Letter of Request (LoR) for the F-16 package and equipment through the Defence Ministry.<br/><br/>While elaborating the background, Defence Ministry said that PAF gave a presentation to the President and Prime Minister on the state of present fighter fleet and its various hi-tech aircraft options on March 31, 2006.<span lang="en-us"> </span>At present, PAF's combat fleet consists of around <span lang="en-us">400</span> aircraft. The bulk of its inventory comprises old Mirages and Chinese-origin A-5, FT-6 and F-7 aircraft. With the exception of F-7 PGs, most of these aircraft are more than 20 years old and are scheduled to retire between 2008 and 2015.<br/><br/>Foreseeing this retirement schedule and the known difficulties associated with replacing all old aircraft with western equipment, PAF embarked upon the co-development of JF-17 aircraft. The induction of JF-17 has been planned so as to have a systematic replacement of the retired fleet.<span lang="en-us"> </span>Regarding hi-tech capability, PAF has seriously lagged over the years, mainly due to various geo-political and economic constraints. In order to redress this capability deficit, PAF has very carefully evaluated the hi-tech options against well-defined air staff requirements.<span lang="en-us"> </span>The requirement of multi-role aircraft with effective and modern operational capabilities, supportability, maintainability and other factors were thoroughly evaluated during the trials of available hi-tech options. In this regard, three aircraft namely, Chinese <span lang="en-us">J-10</span>, USF-16 C/D and Swedish Grippen were evaluated.<br/><br/>While the US F-16 C/D and Swedish Grippen qualified against the PAF requirements, the Chinese <span lang="en-us">J-10</span>, in its present state, lagged behind due to the lack of advanced avionics systems and weapons. For the future, however, PAF termed it as a good option with very promising growth potential to become one of the leading frontline fighters to face the challenges of the 21st century.<span lang="en-us"> </span>Further, due to the high cost of Grippen, the F-16 weapon system, along with air-to-air BVR missiles was considered to be the most suitable option to immediately address the critical capability deficit that PAF has accumulated vis-?vis IAF.<span lang="en-us"> </span>The document suggests that the President had directed the Defence Ministry to move a summary for the Cabinet directing the Ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs to adopt proactive approach to influence the United States and Chinese Governments for the release of the requisite package.<br/>&nbsp;</font></p></div>
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<p>谢谢</p><p>少了部分,谁继续</p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2006-4-20 0:59:57编辑过]
<p>还有第3段没有翻译啊...简单说说</p><p>就是说现在PAF(巴基斯坦空军)有400多架飞机</p><p>有什么中国的A-5,FT6,F7以及老的幻影。相对于F-7PG,这些飞机大都已经使用20年以上,要在2008-2015这个时段退役!</p>
<p>内阁赞同对 F-16 的购买' s 和 J-10 高科技飞机</p><p>2006 年四月 17 日: 巴基斯坦籍的内阁对国家的空军表示赞成为来自美国和中国的对 F-16 的购买和 J-10 战斗机飞机开始谈判。 美国和中国已经提供这些飞机给巴基斯坦了。 PAF 将会购买除了导弹和其他的仪器以外的 98架高科技飞机改善巴基斯坦籍的空军 (PAF) 的能力。 高科技飞机的混合包裹和仪器正在从美国和中国被购买是当做在:之下 J-10 飞机 (36) , F-16 A/B ,前任巴基斯坦 (26) , F-16 C/ D(18 由于选项对于另外 18 个) , SD-10 BVR 导弹 (300) , BVR,500(美国人), 对准荚 18 和联合的直接攻击军需品.(500)</p><p>在整个的包裹上的开支会从 PAF 被见面武装的军队发展计画 (AFFDP-2019) 的部份,文件说。 内阁,依照文件,已经允许 PAF 以 CATIC 为 36架 FC-20 飞机的采购建立联合的工作小组 (JWG)。 政府也会在固定为来自中国政府的 J-10 飞机供给~经费的长期信用方面帮助 PAF, 除允许 PAF 经过国防部为 F-16 包裹和仪器开始一封请求 (LoR) 的信之外。</p><p>当详细地说明背景的时候,国防部说了 PAF 2006 年三月 31 日把发表给在现在斗士的状态上的总统和总理了舰队和它的各种不同的高科技飞机选项。 目前, PAF's 的战斗舰队有大约 400架飞机。 它的详细目录的大多数包含旧的海市蜃楼和华人- 起源的一 -5 , FT-6 和 F-7 飞机。 除了 F-7 辅导级电影,这些飞机的大部分很 20 岁而且预定退休在 2008 和 2015之间.</p><p>预见这退休时间表和与用西方的仪器更换所有的旧飞机有关的已知困难,PAF 开始着手 JF-17 飞机的共发展。 JF-17 的归纳法为了要有隐退的舰队一个有系统替换 , 已经被计画。 关于高科技能力, PAF 严重地已经在数年以来落后, 主要适当到各种不同的 geo-政治上的和经济的限制。 为了要纠正这一个能力赤字, PAF 非常小心地已经评估对抗定义明确的空气高科技选项职员需求。 和有效的和现代的操作能力,可支持,可维护性和其他的因素多角色飞机的需求彻底地在可得高科技选项的试验期间被评估。 在这关心方面, 三架飞机即,中国 J-10 , USF-16 C/ D 和瑞典的 Grippen 被评估。</p><p>美国 F-16 C/ D 和瑞典的 Grippen 取得资格对抗 PAF 需求,中国 J-10 ,不过在它的礼物中州, 落后在由于缺乏先进航空电子学系统和武器之后。 今后,然而, PAF 称了它如和非常有希望的生长潜能的好选项变成领导的前线斗士之一面对&nbsp; 21 世纪的挑战。 比较远的,由于 Grippen 的高费用, F-16 武器系统,连同空对空 BVR 导弹一起被考虑是最适当的选项立刻向 PAF 已经累积 vis 的紧要关头的能力赤字发表演说-?vis IAF。 文件意味着总统已经指示国防部为指示国防部和外交采用积极的方式为必要的包裹释放影响美国和中国政府的内阁移动一个摘要。<br/>&nbsp;<br/></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">中国的J-10,在现在的情况下,因为缺乏高级的电子设备和武器而相对落后。</font></p><p><font face="Verdana">说的我们“恶棍”一点面子都没有,毕竟在国人眼里它也算是“实力派”的啊,电子,中距弹这些都是飞跃啊</font></p>
<p>说来说去,我们的电子水平还是有差距哦</p>
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<p>想当初,杨伟在新闻联播里面说的。。。</p><p></p>
写这篇文章的作者并没有看到FC-1 04的座舱
<p>你怎么知道没有看过?</p><p>其实作为FC-1计划有50%股份的巴基斯坦不可能事先不知道04的改动,</p><p>据内线讲,巴主要不满意的不是杨show的那个玻璃座舱,而是对雷达等不满意</p><p>我们的雷达还是相对比较落后地</p><p>如果你注意细嚼慢咽看看巴基斯坦电视台那段对穆沙拉夫访问成飞的视频,能在很多地方发现J10的影子,甚至是在成飞的同志作报告时后面的布景,反而FC-1的曝光远远不如J10。这有两种可能,第一是巴基斯坦人把有FC-1的那一部分剪辑掉了,第二就是成飞其实是更力推J10的。</p><p>再看看我们自己对穆沙拉夫的报道,虽然有一个穆沙拉夫座在FC-1里面的画面,但是仍然没有出现FC-1的整体(央视自己加的不算),可见穆沙拉夫来的重点不是FC-1而是J10。</p><p>有人说J10是不能出口的,我反对,J10就技术水平来讲充其量F16block50的水准</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>小巴上哪儿鼓捣那么多钱呢?全靠军援?</p>
<p>JAS39其实我认为不算贵的,效率也比较高.对于巴基斯坦这样大小的国家也比较适合,只不过有待实战和环境的考验</p>
<p>战机除了要考虑航程还要考虑滞空时间!</p>
<p>猴版J-10的航电,你们说小巴能没有意见吗?=同SU-27我们也是这样滴!</p><p>到底国用的怎么样,天知道!</p>[em01]
<p>PAF跟美国关系最近还不错...都可以买F16</p><p>相对于我们以前可以在某种程度上接触到小巴的F16</p><p>我们把J10卖给PAF不是给了美国某种机会接触到我们</p><p>j10的详细数据了吗??</p>
同意出售10其实是一种对自身技术自信的表现.以前我们施行的军事秘密主义其目的就如同一位老前辈说的:我们的装备是落后,但也不能让你们知道到底有多落后.
jas39我比较不看好。主要因为飞机太小了。技术还是可以。总觉得不适合打仗,尤其是大仗。
是啊,17楼说得有道理