超级军网绿帽子谈市面上AR附件在战场上的应用：竞技与实战的跨界 ...
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不是翻译，只是大概转述
作者Jeff Gurwitch90年加入陆军，98年进陆特，01年起参加USPSA，3-gun，IDPA竞赛。
1.猫扑神教一桶浆糊
如图所见，猫扑附件仍处统治地位，其中CTR和AFG最为流行，当然猫扑的东西还是实惠又好用的。接着一段嘲讽了自己的同事们不懂研究枪，不懂得找适合自己的东西，只会跟风，那种大家都用总不会错的心理.......
2.和竞技圈的差距缩小，但仍然落后
作者觉得装上RIS II浮置护木合geiseele二道火扳机后的SOPMOD II M4拿来打3枪比赛基本不会比专门改出来的赛枪差太远，唯一真正的不足是没有好制退器（狭小空间用制退器害人害己）。
落后的地方在于瞄准镜，在某年的一次三3枪比赛后，作者深感自己的4倍镜（打仗elcan，比赛vortex）不够用了，在其中的两场射击200-300m处6寸和8寸铁靶的时候，作者自觉发挥良好，结果成绩平平。原因就在于倍率不足：5年前4倍还是标配，现在基本都了换1-6x甚至1.5-8x的镜。高倍率在捕获目标和精确瞄准方面自然占优势，以射击200m的8个6寸铁靶为例，作者用4x镜击中两个目标的间隔平均为4秒，而用6倍镜的选手射击同样的目标命中间隔可以轻易快他1秒，总成绩自然差了不少。
推广到战场上呢？同样400m的目标，用4倍ELCAN只能瞄躯干打，用6倍镜则可以精确到胸腔的具体位置或者脑袋。SCAR-H用6倍的ELCAN就是因为这个原因。
Troy护木 Trijicon VCOG 1-6 scope (1-6×24 Variable Combat Optical Gunsight tactical rifle scope). 增加的倍率不但增加了击中掩体后的敌人，更能出色完成侦察工作
3.配件
就像开头讲的今年仍然猫扑居多，不过值得注意的是操作员们开始把LA-5放到前手后，调后重心进而更好得用C手控枪，并通过内部开关或压动开关操作激光。大部分射手习惯把LA-5放在护木前端的原因是过去的PEQ-2如果固定远了，IR激光会射一前准。
附件装在前手附近的完美例子。射手们使用大部分时间用C手控枪，操作LA5的IR激光时旋转手至小握把。Inforce WML 灯(Weapon Mounted Light)装在前手拇指位置，还装有猫扑的CTR托，小握把和握把，以及不明显的POF Archangel ambidextrous拉机柄。
消音MK18，LA5也装在前手后。附件有Magpul AFG (Angled ForeGrip)，CTR托，CAA握把和消音套。（激光前面的是开关，可以想见什么姿势持枪吧）
最新的SOPMOD Block II护木(没准心坐)猫扑折叠后瞄和Hogue握把。
Magpul握把和枪托，CTR上是 LaRue Tactical Reciprocating Inline Stock Riser (RISR)。这位射手喜欢Elcan上加备用 EOTech MRDS，laRue贴腮能提供必要的高度。
和上面是同一把，射手开始用的是 MFT Battlelink Minimalist托
MK18 Magpul套装（枪托，握把和hand stop）注意加长弹匣，不只被用于三枪，加长弹匣已被证明足够可靠
VLTOR枪托，Magpul小握把和握把
你可能注意到了是大家都不怎么用铁瞄BUIS，包括作者在内的很多士兵都从没遇见过倍率红点一起跪的情况。12年的第一篇里作者还装有前后铁瞄，14年的第二篇里拆了后瞄，现在全拆了。
Despite what the “tactical experts” say about back up iron sights beeing a must on any tactical gun, a lot of soldiers, myself included, have had no issues with either red dots or magnified optics going down on them in combat. Is it a good idea to have a set of back-up irons on your rifle? Yes, but these guys are using their rifles in harm’s way rigged like they are. If anything, their choice to not run back up irons is a testament to the durability of the current issued optics.
下面是作者的枪
本次部署；除了VCOG外配置和去年的部署一样，MK18 Magpul 小握把， Ark Defense Enhanced SOPMOD 枪托，BCM Gunfighter 握把，Arredondo 加长弹匣井，加长空挂释放和装在Matt Burkett Predator Tactical 45度架上的EOTech MRDS 红点，BCM Gunfighter 双向拉机柄换成了 AXTS/Rainer Arms Raptor 双向拉机柄。Blackhawk Night Ops Gladius tactical 战术灯从2005年到现在经历海外部署四次仍然坚挺。
作者目前的配置 部署了大概一个月后把10.5寸管换成14.5寸，虽然加了消音器有点头沉而且长，但是MK18弹道不足以体现VCOG的优势，而14.5寸管的弹道可以近乎完美符合VCOG按照5.56弹制定的分划。在打击目标平均距离300-400m的阿富汗，自然是更好的选择。
从后面看，左撇子作者表示双向拉机柄非常必要
4.弹匣
用的最多的还是Magpul Pmag gen m2，为什么是m2而不是m3呢？因为几年前队里买了几千个m2。比起pmag作者更喜欢emag，可惜自己的三个emag丢在阿富汗了。另外他表示这次部署才拿到的IMI defense G2非常好用，比用了三次部署的L5更好。作者也很喜欢emag，只可惜自己的emag被丢在阿富汗各处了（打空换弹后没时间捡）
2015年作者的选择从左到右分别是 IMI Defense G2, Lancer L5 Advanced Warfighter, BCM铝弹匣和 Magpul PMAG
总结
虽然看起来和上次的没什么区别，但是这反而证明了这些附件的可靠性，它们已经被证明能够经受住大兵们的摧残。
作者近照，背心还是那件ATS
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不是翻译，只是大概转述
作者Jeff Gurwitch90年加入陆军，98年进陆特，01年起参加USPSA，3-gun，IDPA竞赛。
1.猫扑神教一桶浆糊
如图所见，猫扑附件仍处统治地位，其中CTR和AFG最为流行，当然猫扑的东西还是实惠又好用的。接着一段嘲讽了自己的同事们不懂研究枪，不懂得找适合自己的东西，只会跟风，那种大家都用总不会错的心理.......
2.和竞技圈的差距缩小，但仍然落后
作者觉得装上RIS II浮置护木合geiseele二道火扳机后的SOPMOD II M4拿来打3枪比赛基本不会比专门改出来的赛枪差太远，唯一真正的不足是没有好制退器（狭小空间用制退器害人害己）。
落后的地方在于瞄准镜，在某年的一次三3枪比赛后，作者深感自己的4倍镜（打仗elcan，比赛vortex）不够用了，在其中的两场射击200-300m处6寸和8寸铁靶的时候，作者自觉发挥良好，结果成绩平平。原因就在于倍率不足：5年前4倍还是标配，现在基本都了换1-6x甚至1.5-8x的镜。高倍率在捕获目标和精确瞄准方面自然占优势，以射击200m的8个6寸铁靶为例，作者用4x镜击中两个目标的间隔平均为4秒，而用6倍镜的选手射击同样的目标命中间隔可以轻易快他1秒，总成绩自然差了不少。
推广到战场上呢？同样400m的目标，用4倍ELCAN只能瞄躯干打，用6倍镜则可以精确到胸腔的具体位置或者脑袋。SCAR-H用6倍的ELCAN就是因为这个原因。
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Troy护木 Trijicon VCOG 1-6 scope (1-6×24 Variable Combat Optical Gunsight tactical rifle scope). 增加的倍率不但增加了击中掩体后的敌人，更能出色完成侦察工作
3.配件
就像开头讲的今年仍然猫扑居多，不过值得注意的是操作员们开始把LA-5放到前手后，调后重心进而更好得用C手控枪，并通过内部开关或压动开关操作激光。大部分射手习惯把LA-5放在护木前端的原因是过去的PEQ-2如果固定远了，IR激光会射一前准。
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附件装在前手附近的完美例子。射手们使用大部分时间用C手控枪，操作LA5的IR激光时旋转手至小握把。Inforce WML 灯(Weapon Mounted Light)装在前手拇指位置，还装有猫扑的CTR托，小握把和握把，以及不明显的POF Archangel ambidextrous拉机柄。
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消音MK18，LA5也装在前手后。附件有Magpul AFG (Angled ForeGrip)，CTR托，CAA握把和消音套。（激光前面的是开关，可以想见什么姿势持枪吧）
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最新的SOPMOD Block II护木(没准心坐)猫扑折叠后瞄和Hogue握把。
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Magpul握把和枪托，CTR上是 LaRue Tactical Reciprocating Inline Stock Riser (RISR)。这位射手喜欢Elcan上加备用 EOTech MRDS，laRue贴腮能提供必要的高度。
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和上面是同一把，射手开始用的是 MFT Battlelink Minimalist托
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MK18 Magpul套装（枪托，握把和hand stop）注意加长弹匣，不只被用于三枪，加长弹匣已被证明足够可靠
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VLTOR枪托，Magpul小握把和握把
你可能注意到了是大家都不怎么用铁瞄BUIS，包括作者在内的很多士兵都从没遇见过倍率红点一起跪的情况。12年的第一篇里作者还装有前后铁瞄，14年的第二篇里拆了后瞄，现在全拆了。
Despite what the “tactical experts” say about back up iron sights beeing a must on any tactical gun, a lot of soldiers, myself included, have had no issues with either red dots or magnified optics going down on them in combat. Is it a good idea to have a set of back-up irons on your rifle? Yes, but these guys are using their rifles in harm’s way rigged like they are. If anything, their choice to not run back up irons is a testament to the durability of the current issued optics.
下面是作者的枪
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本次部署；除了VCOG外配置和去年的部署一样，MK18 Magpul 小握把， Ark Defense Enhanced SOPMOD 枪托，BCM Gunfighter 握把，Arredondo 加长弹匣井，加长空挂释放和装在Matt Burkett Predator Tactical 45度架上的EOTech MRDS 红点，BCM Gunfighter 双向拉机柄换成了 AXTS/Rainer Arms Raptor 双向拉机柄。Blackhawk Night Ops Gladius tactical 战术灯从2005年到现在经历海外部署四次仍然坚挺。
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作者目前的配置 部署了大概一个月后把10.5寸管换成14.5寸，虽然加了消音器有点头沉而且长，但是MK18弹道不足以体现VCOG的优势，而14.5寸管的弹道可以近乎完美符合VCOG按照5.56弹制定的分划。在打击目标平均距离300-400m的阿富汗，自然是更好的选择。
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从后面看，左撇子作者表示双向拉机柄非常必要
4.弹匣
用的最多的还是Magpul Pmag gen m2，为什么是m2而不是m3呢？因为几年前队里买了几千个m2。比起pmag作者更喜欢emag，可惜自己的三个emag丢在阿富汗了。另外他表示这次部署才拿到的IMI defense G2非常好用，比用了三次部署的L5更好。作者也很喜欢emag，只可惜自己的emag被丢在阿富汗各处了（打空换弹后没时间捡）
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2015年作者的选择从左到右分别是 IMI Defense G2, Lancer L5 Advanced Warfighter, BCM铝弹匣和 Magpul PMAG
总结
虽然看起来和上次的没什么区别，但是这反而证明了这些附件的可靠性，它们已经被证明能够经受住大兵们的摧残。
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作者近照，背心还是那件ATS
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
papop 发表于 2016-2-16 23:31
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
没找到没前准版的M4上机匣吧
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
没找到没前准版的M4上机匣吧
papop 发表于 2016-2-16 23:33
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
几篇文章里都没有到提过
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
几篇文章里都没有到提过
papop 发表于 2016-2-16 23:31
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
穷单位是没那么多可以选的，给你的M4上机匣就是带三角准的。
我上次跟D总谈过这个问题，他已经加到网站里了。
http://www.firearmsworld.net/usa/m16/m4/m4sopmod2.htm
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
穷单位是没那么多可以选的，给你的M4上机匣就是带三角准的。
我上次跟D总谈过这个问题，他已经加到网站里了。
http://www.firearmsworld.net/usa/m16/m4/m4sopmod2.htm
papop 发表于 2016-2-16 23:31
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
仔细看了一下M4应该他的很多年前的旧枪换了护木，那把一直都是有前准的
作者不是说没必要保留机械瞄吗？怎么最后改用14.5寸管M4之后，还是把三角形前准给装上去了？
仔细看了一下M4应该他的很多年前的旧枪换了护木，那把一直都是有前准的
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
谈这个的人太多了，lav说过他服役时的colt 卡宾枪几乎没出过故障，Mike Pannone也测试过m4在战场沙尘环境下表现……AR只有被超级懒人去用才会故障
谈这个的人太多了，lav说过他服役时的colt 卡宾枪几乎没出过故障，Mike Pannone也测试过m4在战场沙尘环境下表现……AR只有被超级懒人去用才会故障
papop 发表于 2016-2-16 23:33
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
这些人手里的枪肯定都是比老婆都爱护，平时保养的好可靠性自然就高
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
这些人手里的枪肯定都是比老婆都爱护，平时保养的好可靠性自然就高
繁体人生1 发表于 2016-2-17 01:11
谈这个的人太多了，lav说过他服役时的colt 卡宾枪几乎没出过故障，Mike Pannone也测试过m4在战场沙尘环境 ...
而且LAV几次强调只有在短管，全自动，弹药脏和消音器这四种情况下才需要活塞AR
谈这个的人太多了，lav说过他服役时的colt 卡宾枪几乎没出过故障，Mike Pannone也测试过m4在战场沙尘环境 ...
而且LAV几次强调只有在短管，全自动，弹药脏和消音器这四种情况下才需要活塞AR
另外，作者有没有提到这些年来他手中用过的AR在恶劣环境下的可靠性表现？
ar可靠性这个话题已经被讨论烂了，没什么问题
ar可靠性这个话题已经被讨论烂了，没什么问题
C手控枪这个翻译有点奇怪，原文应该是C-clamp吧，不翻译其实更好理解
这些枪和附件怎么造型怪怪的，以前的枪多简洁
这些枪和附件怎么造型怪怪的，以前的枪多简洁
都是能提升作战效能的有用附件，不是摆设
都是能提升作战效能的有用附件，不是摆设
作者关于不装铁瞄铁瞄的回应，最大的原因居然是好多人现在不太会用铁瞄了
First off great discussion!
With each article besides just listing out what accessories are in use. I wanted to try and give my take on the why behind some of the trends. Hence first article trying to explain why KISS set ups hold back your shooting capability. Article two: a suppressed rifle is the way to go for combat. And in the latest one a little on why the lack of BUIS.
In regards to the lack of BUIS, I purposely did not go into all the reasons why it is becoming the current trend. (I did not want to draw away too much form the main topic of current accessories.)
To expand on why the lack of BUIS. While confidence in current optics (which I mentioned), the mission (night ops), the ability to transition to a pistol are all factors. The biggest reason I think is the institutionalization of optics as the primary method of aiming a rifle.
On the Army side of the house starting in basic training soldiers train and qualify with an Aimpoint red dot. Iron sights are seen as back up. This has been the new norm for at least the last 5 years or so. The benefit of this of course Soldiers are much more proficient shooters with optics. The down side of course is shooting skill with irons is becoming lost. And not just the skill but I hate to say this but the confidence in iron sights that you can shoot well with them is something not present in the mindset in a lot of the current crop of soldiers.
Has this created a reliance on optics with the current soldier? Unfortunately to some extent I would say yes. Have there been some instances where not running a BUIS has bitten some soldier in the ass, I am sure it has happened. What has replaced a BUIS in a lot of soldier’s minds? Running a backup optic. Lets face it we are in a digital age, one where our youth see things differently. Our 1-4 Elcan sights are issued with a MRDS. In a lot of soldier’s minds if you have two optics on your rifle that is plenty of back up for Murphy’s Law. I have to say I agree with this reasoning, (and I am from the generation that for a time only had iron sights.)
Optic reliability, my experience. I have had a optic only go down one time. Back 2005 Iraq I tripped on a curb slamming my Aimpoint CompM2 on the concrete (zero gone). I did have a BUIS. Now had I not had a BUIS, then I would have just shot through the tube. Used the lens tube itself as my rear sight and lined it up with my front sight post. (Works well enough for CQB distances.) This trip, I fell slamming my rifle on a pile of rocks during a op. My Trijicon VCOG did not drop it’s zero at all.
So trust in reliability of modern optics based on the culture level (institutionalization that Optics are the only way to go), along with the capability to run dual optics, (really three with IR/visible lasers I think are the biggest factors in the decision not to run BUIS.
Is it wrong? Traditionally speaking many would say yes. But having experienced the current trend first hand. In 15 years of operating I have only used a BUIS one time, luckily modern optics are only getting stronger and battery life longer.
In the end I think it all boils down to the confidence the shooters has in his equipment and what is viewed as a back up. And this view with the modern soldier is changing.
I appreciate your comments and feedback.
Jeff G!
First off great discussion!
With each article besides just listing out what accessories are in use. I wanted to try and give my take on the why behind some of the trends. Hence first article trying to explain why KISS set ups hold back your shooting capability. Article two: a suppressed rifle is the way to go for combat. And in the latest one a little on why the lack of BUIS.
In regards to the lack of BUIS, I purposely did not go into all the reasons why it is becoming the current trend. (I did not want to draw away too much form the main topic of current accessories.)
To expand on why the lack of BUIS. While confidence in current optics (which I mentioned), the mission (night ops), the ability to transition to a pistol are all factors. The biggest reason I think is the institutionalization of optics as the primary method of aiming a rifle.
On the Army side of the house starting in basic training soldiers train and qualify with an Aimpoint red dot. Iron sights are seen as back up. This has been the new norm for at least the last 5 years or so. The benefit of this of course Soldiers are much more proficient shooters with optics. The down side of course is shooting skill with irons is becoming lost. And not just the skill but I hate to say this but the confidence in iron sights that you can shoot well with them is something not present in the mindset in a lot of the current crop of soldiers.
Has this created a reliance on optics with the current soldier? Unfortunately to some extent I would say yes. Have there been some instances where not running a BUIS has bitten some soldier in the ass, I am sure it has happened. What has replaced a BUIS in a lot of soldier’s minds? Running a backup optic. Lets face it we are in a digital age, one where our youth see things differently. Our 1-4 Elcan sights are issued with a MRDS. In a lot of soldier’s minds if you have two optics on your rifle that is plenty of back up for Murphy’s Law. I have to say I agree with this reasoning, (and I am from the generation that for a time only had iron sights.)
Optic reliability, my experience. I have had a optic only go down one time. Back 2005 Iraq I tripped on a curb slamming my Aimpoint CompM2 on the concrete (zero gone). I did have a BUIS. Now had I not had a BUIS, then I would have just shot through the tube. Used the lens tube itself as my rear sight and lined it up with my front sight post. (Works well enough for CQB distances.) This trip, I fell slamming my rifle on a pile of rocks during a op. My Trijicon VCOG did not drop it’s zero at all.
So trust in reliability of modern optics based on the culture level (institutionalization that Optics are the only way to go), along with the capability to run dual optics, (really three with IR/visible lasers I think are the biggest factors in the decision not to run BUIS.
Is it wrong? Traditionally speaking many would say yes. But having experienced the current trend first hand. In 15 years of operating I have only used a BUIS one time, luckily modern optics are only getting stronger and battery life longer.
In the end I think it all boils down to the confidence the shooters has in his equipment and what is viewed as a back up. And this view with the modern soldier is changing.
I appreciate your comments and feedback.
Jeff G!
实战经验下的产物。
还有人问为什么14年的那些keymod没有了，作者说是因为RIS II这两年才发到他们手上，陆特真穷啊
Good question, I only saw one rifle with Key Mod this year. The reason I think based on several factors. Firstly I think is not that no one is using them instead it has to do with the unit I was assigned to. We are semi-compartmentalized, so when it comes to gear a lot of guys are only exposed to what they see their buddies running. A good example of this, I saw war belts being used for the first time on a team in 2010. A guy on my team got one, we all tried it and within a week we all went out and got them on the team. Same thing with rifle accessories, one guy goes out and gets something it works well it will catch on within the unit. I think that was the case with the Key Mods from last years article they were all from the same company.
Also another factor when looking for setups to cover is exposer to a lot of soldiers. My ability to try and get as wide as sampling as I can. This past trip I was somewhat limited due to my mission and where I was. Lastly this year RIS II was finally issued to everyone. Even though the RIS II has been (the standard item) for guns the last 2 years or so. The supply system can be really slow. We were not getting the extended RISII rails until the beginning of the deployment last year. So a lot of guys could not wait and did not want to roll with a carbine length rail so they went out and purchased on their own. This trip both RIS rails were available (with and without FSB cut out).
AS far as Key Mod rails go, personally I was skeptical of Key Mod, after trying one out I actually kind of like it. Last years article I know I was getting bashed on here from some saying why would soldiers pick rails that have not been dropped tested and stuff. Frankly most Operators could care less about stuff like that, if they spend their own coin on accessories they are going to purchase what they like and might later use on their personal rifles.
I brought of War belts... it seems they are on their way out. This trip I saw lots of micro duty belts being worn. In fact I just got one from Ronin Tactics to try out!
Good question, I only saw one rifle with Key Mod this year. The reason I think based on several factors. Firstly I think is not that no one is using them instead it has to do with the unit I was assigned to. We are semi-compartmentalized, so when it comes to gear a lot of guys are only exposed to what they see their buddies running. A good example of this, I saw war belts being used for the first time on a team in 2010. A guy on my team got one, we all tried it and within a week we all went out and got them on the team. Same thing with rifle accessories, one guy goes out and gets something it works well it will catch on within the unit. I think that was the case with the Key Mods from last years article they were all from the same company.
Also another factor when looking for setups to cover is exposer to a lot of soldiers. My ability to try and get as wide as sampling as I can. This past trip I was somewhat limited due to my mission and where I was. Lastly this year RIS II was finally issued to everyone. Even though the RIS II has been (the standard item) for guns the last 2 years or so. The supply system can be really slow. We were not getting the extended RISII rails until the beginning of the deployment last year. So a lot of guys could not wait and did not want to roll with a carbine length rail so they went out and purchased on their own. This trip both RIS rails were available (with and without FSB cut out).
AS far as Key Mod rails go, personally I was skeptical of Key Mod, after trying one out I actually kind of like it. Last years article I know I was getting bashed on here from some saying why would soldiers pick rails that have not been dropped tested and stuff. Frankly most Operators could care less about stuff like that, if they spend their own coin on accessories they are going to purchase what they like and might later use on their personal rifles.
I brought of War belts... it seems they are on their way out. This trip I saw lots of micro duty belts being worn. In fact I just got one from Ronin Tactics to try out!
heming3501 发表于 2016-2-17 02:15
而且LAV几次强调只有在短管，全自动，弹药脏和消音器这四种情况下才需要活塞AR
其它都能理解，AR上消音器会出问题也听说过，但全自动下才需要活塞AR是什么情况？是说全自动情况下，AR变得不可靠了？
而且LAV几次强调只有在短管，全自动，弹药脏和消音器这四种情况下才需要活塞AR
其它都能理解，AR上消音器会出问题也听说过，但全自动下才需要活塞AR是什么情况？是说全自动情况下，AR变得不可靠了？
papop 发表于 2016-2-18 22:03
其它都能理解，AR上消音器会出问题也听说过，但全自动下才需要活塞AR是什么情况？是说全自动情况下，AR变 ...
其实如果我没有记错，LAV说的是在短管（10.5或者10.3这个级别）消音全自动（三者同时发生)的情况下，才需要HK416。
其它都能理解，AR上消音器会出问题也听说过，但全自动下才需要活塞AR是什么情况？是说全自动情况下，AR变 ...
其实如果我没有记错，LAV说的是在短管（10.5或者10.3这个级别）消音全自动（三者同时发生)的情况下，才需要HK416。
其它都能理解，AR上消音器会出问题也听说过，但全自动下才需要活塞AR是什么情况？是说全自动情况下，AR变 ...
AR玩全自动容易热，润滑油蒸发快。而且装有消音器的话，积碳会很严重，不过随着消音器技术的进步，这个问题已经好多了
AR玩全自动容易热，润滑油蒸发快。而且装有消音器的话，积碳会很严重，不过随着消音器技术的进步，这个问题已经好多了
nedbruce 发表于 2016-2-18 23:19
其实如果我没有记错，LAV说的是在短管（10.5或者10.3这个级别）消音全自动（三者同时发生)的情况下，才 ...
原话是表现得更好
Piston AR's have their place- to determine if you need one ask yourself four questions;
1) Do I need a barrel length shorter than 14.5 inches
2) Do I need to run my gun suppressed a lot
3) Do I need to shoot a lot of full auto
4) Do I need to shoot a wide variety of ammo
Piston guns have been shown to be superior in those four categories over a DI gun. If you can say no to all four questions a good DI gun will do you fine
其实如果我没有记错，LAV说的是在短管（10.5或者10.3这个级别）消音全自动（三者同时发生)的情况下，才 ...
原话是表现得更好
Piston AR's have their place- to determine if you need one ask yourself four questions;
1) Do I need a barrel length shorter than 14.5 inches
2) Do I need to run my gun suppressed a lot
3) Do I need to shoot a lot of full auto
4) Do I need to shoot a wide variety of ammo
Piston guns have been shown to be superior in those four categories over a DI gun. If you can say no to all four questions a good DI gun will do you fine
M16Extra 发表于 2016-2-19 11:20
AR玩全自动容易热，润滑油蒸发快。而且装有消音器的话，积碳会很严重，不过随着消音器技术的进步，这个问 ...
消音器还有气体喷脸的问题，作者在上一篇讲他在拿到surefire消音器后马上扔m4换mk18，虽然现在又换回来了
AR玩全自动容易热，润滑油蒸发快。而且装有消音器的话，积碳会很严重，不过随着消音器技术的进步，这个问 ...
消音器还有气体喷脸的问题，作者在上一篇讲他在拿到surefire消音器后马上扔m4换mk18，虽然现在又换回来了
原话是表现得更好
Piston AR's have their place- to determine if you need one ask yourself four que ...
我说的是他在谈HK416的那个视频里谈到的，为什么当初看上416
Piston AR's have their place- to determine if you need one ask yourself four que ...
我说的是他在谈HK416的那个视频里谈到的，为什么当初看上416
消音器还有气体喷脸的问题，作者在上一篇讲他在拿到surefire消音器后马上扔m4换mk18，虽然现在又换回来了
气体喷脸这个问题不管是活塞还是气吹都会有，所以还是要看消音器
气体喷脸这个问题不管是活塞还是气吹都会有，所以还是要看消音器
AR玩全自动容易热，润滑油蒸发快。而且装有消音器的话，积碳会很严重，不过随着消音器技术的进步，这个问 ...
还有涂层技术的运用
还有涂层技术的运用
heming3501 发表于 2016-2-19 12:28
消音器还有气体喷脸的问题，作者在上一篇讲他在拿到surefire消音器后马上扔m4换mk18，虽然现在又换回来了
没看明白，是说因为M4装消音器会有气体喷脸的问题，所以扔m4换mk18吗？
消音器还有气体喷脸的问题，作者在上一篇讲他在拿到surefire消音器后马上扔m4换mk18，虽然现在又换回来了
没看明白，是说因为M4装消音器会有气体喷脸的问题，所以扔m4换mk18吗？
没看明白，是说因为M4装消音器会有气体喷脸的问题，所以扔m4换mk18吗？
不是，是以前MK18的气体反喷问题比较严重，特别是用KAC的消音器，所以用M4问题相对好一些。但是surefire的消音器解决这个问题比较好，所以就又可以用MK18了。
不是，是以前MK18的气体反喷问题比较严重，特别是用KAC的消音器，所以用M4问题相对好一些。但是surefire的消音器解决这个问题比较好，所以就又可以用MK18了。
heming3501 发表于 2016-2-17 02:15
而且LAV几次强调只有在短管，全自动，弹药脏和消音器这四种情况下才需要活塞AR
那这么说活塞ar基本没什么缺点了？
而且LAV几次强调只有在短管，全自动，弹药脏和消音器这四种情况下才需要活塞AR
那这么说活塞ar基本没什么缺点了？
owen1840 发表于 2016-2-22 09:50
那这么说活塞ar基本没什么缺点了？
他的意思是说，大部分情况下气吹AR没有缺点
那这么说活塞ar基本没什么缺点了？
他的意思是说，大部分情况下气吹AR没有缺点
他的意思是说，大部分情况下气吹AR没有缺点
我的意思是如他所说气吹AR改成活塞AR就可以避免那些问题。
那活塞AR基本就没什么缺点了……接近”完美“？
我的意思是如他所说气吹AR改成活塞AR就可以避免那些问题。
那活塞AR基本就没什么缺点了……接近”完美“？
owen1840 发表于 2016-2-22 09:50
那这么说活塞ar基本没什么缺点了？
看我这帖子：
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2171880-1-1.html
AR的恶劣环境可靠性如何看和谁比，和同期那一票西方其它自动原理步枪比（包括活塞枪），其实处于同一水平线上。和其是气吹还是活塞原理其实没多大关系。
那这么说活塞ar基本没什么缺点了？
看我这帖子：
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2171880-1-1.html
AR的恶劣环境可靠性如何看和谁比，和同期那一票西方其它自动原理步枪比（包括活塞枪），其实处于同一水平线上。和其是气吹还是活塞原理其实没多大关系。
owen1840 发表于 2016-2-23 12:44
我的意思是如他所说气吹AR改成活塞AR就可以避免那些问题。
那活塞AR基本就没什么缺点了……接近”完美 ...
头重，贵，配件少。而且活塞也不能避免一些AR本身设计上的局限，比如缓冲管弯了一样会废
我的意思是如他所说气吹AR改成活塞AR就可以避免那些问题。
那活塞AR基本就没什么缺点了……接近”完美 ...
头重，贵，配件少。而且活塞也不能避免一些AR本身设计上的局限，比如缓冲管弯了一样会废