超级军网法新社：如果滑铁卢之战逆转就不会有世界大战，拿破仑帝 ...
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据法新社最新的报道，欧洲德国、比利时等国的历史学家们经过多年的研究得出结论，如果滑铁卢之战的结果被逆转，就不会有第一次和第二次世界大战，拿破仑帝国将扩张到中国。
德国历史学家Helmut Stubbe da Luz和比利时专攻滑铁卢战役的历史学家Philippe Raxhon说，如果拿破仑一世在滑铁卢平原上战胜了威灵顿和布鲁切尔，拿破仑的大军将向德国北部进发，不莱梅、汉堡、吕贝克将被法国兼并。
历史学家们下结论说，如果拿破仑·波拿巴打赢的话，他的野心绝对不会止步在欧洲。拿破仑的下一个目标还是俄罗斯。在打下寒冷的俄罗斯后，拿破仑大军的兵峰将继续指向中国大地，最后将兼并欧洲和中国，建立波拿巴超级大帝国。
历史学家们说，如果波拿巴得逞的话也有优点，就是欧洲都将讲法语，德国不会崛起，也就不会有第一次和第二次世界大战死这么多人。
拿破仑·波拿巴将占领俄罗斯和中国：
在德国领导下的欧盟下一步的扩张目标是建立一个西起里斯本、东至海参崴的欧罗巴大联邦，定都布鲁塞尔。中国目前还不在其视线之内：
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Brussels (AFP) - It is the evening of June 18, 1815 and an exultant Napoleon Bonaparte surveys the field after winning the Battle of Waterloo, planning his next conquest.
Within years his empire will stretch as far as China, French will be spoken across the continent, and in the 20th century a global war between the great powers will be avoided because of the stability his rule created.
These are some of the alternate histories that writers and experts have envisaged had Napoleon really been victorious in the battle 200 years ago, which actually ended in his humiliating defeat and exile at the hands of British and Prussian forces.
Historian Helmut Stubbe da Luz said that had Napoleon beaten generals Wellington and Bluecher on the plain of Waterloo, he would have carried on his march as far as northern Germany.
"Bremen, Hamburg and Luebeck would have become French again," da Luz told AFP.
That scenario, however, should perhaps be taken with a pinch of salt, da Luz added, as the European monarchies of the time would not have let a defeat at Waterloo go unavenged.
As Belgian historian Philippe Raxhon, a specialist in the Battle of Waterloo, puts it: "Waterloo was a total victory for the allies but it would not have been a total victory for Napoleon."
- First Russia, then China -
But if one imagines that Bonaparte had eventually defeated his European enemies in the long-term, his ambitions afterwards would have been demonstrably larger, historians said.
"If Napoleon followed his original plans for 1810, he would have invaded Russia again and potentially extended his empire as far as China," Helmut Stubbe da Luz said.
An even more radical scenario was put forward in the 19th century by the French writer Louis Geoffroy. In his novel "Napoleon and the Conquest of the World, 1812-1832" he described how Napoleon was able to overrun China, turning it into a mere "Asian province".
The 1836 alternate history novel -- a literary genre that imagines parallel realities and includes classics such as Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle" about a United States beaten by Japan and Germany -- Geoffroy takes the story back to three years before Waterloo.
"I wrote the history of Napoleon from 1812 to 1832, from Moscow in flames to the universal monarchy and his death, 20 years of incessantly increasing glory which elevated him to an all-powerful level above whom there is only God," he wrote in the introduction to the novel.
But what would an all-powerful Napoleon have been like to live under?
For Stubbe da Luz, "Napoleon was a dictator but not a reactionary dictator like the Tsar of Russia."
Napoleonic rule across continental Europe, balanced by Britain's enduring maritime supremacy, would not necessarily have been that bad for the world, he said.
"The dictatorship that Napoleon exported to the countries under his domination was a regression compared to the progress of the French Revolution, but it wasn't bad for his new subjects in Germany, Holland, Italy and Spain," he said.
He cited the "equality of rights for religious minorities and rural populations, the right to vote for men, a new judicial system and an expanded economic area".
- A less-powerful Germany -
Cautiously looking further into the future, the historian imagines a "continental Europe dominated by France" throughout the 19th century.
Had that happened Germany would not have become so strong during that period, he says.
"Germany would therefore probably not have been in a position to provoke a First and Second World War," he said.
But imagining parallel histories is risky business for historians.
"The causes of events are innumerable," said Raxhon, the Belgian historian, from the University of Liege.
He limited himself to scenarios directly linked to the fates of the main protagonists. For example, a defeated Duke of Wellington would no doubt have returned by sea to England via Ostend, because Wellington himself had "envisaged losing the battle", he said.
Novelists of course have freer rein. In his 1992 best-seller "Fatherland", British writer Robert Harris imagines a Germany in 1964 that is preparing for a visit of the American president "Joseph Peter Kennedy" (JFK's father) to Adolf Hitler, the winner of World War II.
That of course is a war that according to some scenarios would not have happened... if Napoleon had won at Waterloo.
http://news.yahoo.com/french-spe ... -won-053256366.html
据法新社最新的报道，欧洲德国、比利时等国的历史学家们经过多年的研究得出结论，如果滑铁卢之战的结果被逆转，就不会有第一次和第二次世界大战，拿破仑帝国将扩张到中国。
德国历史学家Helmut Stubbe da Luz和比利时专攻滑铁卢战役的历史学家Philippe Raxhon说，如果拿破仑一世在滑铁卢平原上战胜了威灵顿和布鲁切尔，拿破仑的大军将向德国北部进发，不莱梅、汉堡、吕贝克将被法国兼并。
历史学家们下结论说，如果拿破仑·波拿巴打赢的话，他的野心绝对不会止步在欧洲。拿破仑的下一个目标还是俄罗斯。在打下寒冷的俄罗斯后，拿破仑大军的兵峰将继续指向中国大地，最后将兼并欧洲和中国，建立波拿巴超级大帝国。
历史学家们说，如果波拿巴得逞的话也有优点，就是欧洲都将讲法语，德国不会崛起，也就不会有第一次和第二次世界大战死这么多人。
拿破仑·波拿巴将占领俄罗斯和中国：
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在德国领导下的欧盟下一步的扩张目标是建立一个西起里斯本、东至海参崴的欧罗巴大联邦，定都布鲁塞尔。中国目前还不在其视线之内：
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有关消息来源：
Brussels (AFP) - It is the evening of June 18, 1815 and an exultant Napoleon Bonaparte surveys the field after winning the Battle of Waterloo, planning his next conquest.
Within years his empire will stretch as far as China, French will be spoken across the continent, and in the 20th century a global war between the great powers will be avoided because of the stability his rule created.
These are some of the alternate histories that writers and experts have envisaged had Napoleon really been victorious in the battle 200 years ago, which actually ended in his humiliating defeat and exile at the hands of British and Prussian forces.
Historian Helmut Stubbe da Luz said that had Napoleon beaten generals Wellington and Bluecher on the plain of Waterloo, he would have carried on his march as far as northern Germany.
"Bremen, Hamburg and Luebeck would have become French again," da Luz told AFP.
That scenario, however, should perhaps be taken with a pinch of salt, da Luz added, as the European monarchies of the time would not have let a defeat at Waterloo go unavenged.
As Belgian historian Philippe Raxhon, a specialist in the Battle of Waterloo, puts it: "Waterloo was a total victory for the allies but it would not have been a total victory for Napoleon."
- First Russia, then China -
But if one imagines that Bonaparte had eventually defeated his European enemies in the long-term, his ambitions afterwards would have been demonstrably larger, historians said.
"If Napoleon followed his original plans for 1810, he would have invaded Russia again and potentially extended his empire as far as China," Helmut Stubbe da Luz said.
An even more radical scenario was put forward in the 19th century by the French writer Louis Geoffroy. In his novel "Napoleon and the Conquest of the World, 1812-1832" he described how Napoleon was able to overrun China, turning it into a mere "Asian province".
The 1836 alternate history novel -- a literary genre that imagines parallel realities and includes classics such as Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle" about a United States beaten by Japan and Germany -- Geoffroy takes the story back to three years before Waterloo.
"I wrote the history of Napoleon from 1812 to 1832, from Moscow in flames to the universal monarchy and his death, 20 years of incessantly increasing glory which elevated him to an all-powerful level above whom there is only God," he wrote in the introduction to the novel.
But what would an all-powerful Napoleon have been like to live under?
For Stubbe da Luz, "Napoleon was a dictator but not a reactionary dictator like the Tsar of Russia."
Napoleonic rule across continental Europe, balanced by Britain's enduring maritime supremacy, would not necessarily have been that bad for the world, he said.
"The dictatorship that Napoleon exported to the countries under his domination was a regression compared to the progress of the French Revolution, but it wasn't bad for his new subjects in Germany, Holland, Italy and Spain," he said.
He cited the "equality of rights for religious minorities and rural populations, the right to vote for men, a new judicial system and an expanded economic area".
- A less-powerful Germany -
Cautiously looking further into the future, the historian imagines a "continental Europe dominated by France" throughout the 19th century.
Had that happened Germany would not have become so strong during that period, he says.
"Germany would therefore probably not have been in a position to provoke a First and Second World War," he said.
But imagining parallel histories is risky business for historians.
"The causes of events are innumerable," said Raxhon, the Belgian historian, from the University of Liege.
He limited himself to scenarios directly linked to the fates of the main protagonists. For example, a defeated Duke of Wellington would no doubt have returned by sea to England via Ostend, because Wellington himself had "envisaged losing the battle", he said.
Novelists of course have freer rein. In his 1992 best-seller "Fatherland", British writer Robert Harris imagines a Germany in 1964 that is preparing for a visit of the American president "Joseph Peter Kennedy" (JFK's father) to Adolf Hitler, the winner of World War II.
That of course is a war that according to some scenarios would not have happened... if Napoleon had won at Waterloo.
http://news.yahoo.com/french-spe ... -won-053256366.html
如果希特勒不打苏联……
如果丘处机不路过牛家村，还有拿破仑的份儿？
你是说如果吗？、？没常识，滑铁卢已经晚了，哪怕拿破仑完胜也打不过，英国，奥地利，法国，普鲁士，瑞典，西班牙，俄罗斯的后续部队打你妹啊。。。法国唯一可能胜利的战役是50万大军远征俄罗斯打而且打爆俄罗斯，迅速扶植傀儡政权，并在那个时代联合土耳其，蒙古之类，中亚等俄罗斯区域非俄罗斯人起义肢解俄罗斯，不过拿破仑没有这样的视野和能力。
没常识，滑铁卢已经晚了，哪怕拿破仑完胜也打不过，英国，奥地利，法国，普鲁士，瑞典，西班牙，俄罗斯的后续部队打你妹啊。。。法国唯一可能胜利的战役是50万大军远征俄罗斯打而且打爆俄罗斯，迅速扶植傀儡政权，并在那个时代联合土耳其，蒙古之类，中亚等俄罗斯区域非俄罗斯人起义肢解俄罗斯，不过拿破仑没有这样的视野和能力。
如果哥早出世几百年 整个世界都是哥的 反正吹b而已
啦破轮赢不了
连个滑铁卢战役都打不赢的负犬要去征服全世界，听着怎么就这么喜感呢。
归根到底还是邱道长的错。你大路不走走什么牛家村
来比希还有翻盘的可能。
作梦到此为止，想要灭中国的欧洲国家还没出生呢
如果蒙古人打到欧洲大陆的尽头，法国人今天都是混血
都是胡说，明明是潘金莲的错。如果不是当年潘金莲的木棍砸在大官人头上哪有拿破仑什么事啊。
这算是拿破仑.邱的西欧版牛家庄？
这算是拿破仑.邱的西欧版牛家庄？
滑铁卢拿破仑怎么可能赢？
法国人的血早就的差不多了。
法国人的血早就的差不多了。
都是英国的错
希特勒不死就不会有三战了是吧？世界将统一在纳粹党旗之下而不是后来的鹰酱旗下？
然而拿着个破轮怎能赢？名字就出卖了他。
看狗血小说看多了吧
如果没有棒子就没有人类！
然而并没有什么
也难怪法国人对此一直耿耿于怀，那个科西嘉小个子差点让法国人登上了世界之巅，可惜他的对手是牛牛。
如果，如果，如果，……
兵败俄罗斯拿破仑已经输了，后来再次起兵只是回光返照，滑铁卢赢了也改变不了大势。
可笑所以哈哈 发表于 2015-6-7 20:25
也难怪法国人对此一直耿耿于怀，那个科西嘉小个子差点让法国人登上了世界之巅，可惜他的对手是牛牛。
问题是为啥法国人和德国人现在把这故事又搬出来涅？而且还是国有的法新社？
可笑所以哈哈 发表于 2015-6-7 20:25
也难怪法国人对此一直耿耿于怀，那个科西嘉小个子差点让法国人登上了世界之巅，可惜他的对手是牛牛。
问题是为啥法国人和德国人现在把这故事又搬出来涅？而且还是国有的法新社？
西方的认识水平真是可惜了马克思，这种纯粹军事观点还好意思拿出来说。假如拿破仑横扫俄罗斯占领全欧洲，只怕法国会更惨。西班牙人的抵抗已经让法国人焦头烂额了，再加上几个国家的抵抗，法国搞不好会让整个欧洲打成浆糊。
现实太残酷，这年头都流行架空。
如果没有安卡拉之战的惨败连累，奥斯曼帝国早就征服整个欧洲了，还会有后来的欧洲崛起？
法国人真也是可以了，只能在女人和外国人的领导下打胜仗。一战二战打的一个比一个屎，把列强的脸都丢尽了。
如果蒙古人打到欧洲大陆的尽头，法国人今天都是混血
那西欧还得感谢神雕大侠的本垒打。
那西欧还得感谢神雕大侠的本垒打。
没常识，滑铁卢已经晚了，哪怕拿破仑完胜也打不过，英国，奥地利，法国，普鲁士，瑞典，西班牙，俄罗斯的后 ...
威灵顿要死在滑铁卢，国内会有一班子人拍手叫好；普鲁士那点人，格鲁希的那支偏师都有希望直捣勃兰登堡；奥地利就一战五渣、毛子也好不到那去；至于瑞西早就是不入流的了；法国又是什么鬼？而且你好像说的拿破仑就没有几十万大军一样。
英奥普俄之间本身就是矛盾重重，滑铁卢打赢后还能指望它们团结一致，倾国而战？要不内伊格鲁希这俩奇葩250胡来，滑铁卢根本不可能输。
威灵顿要死在滑铁卢，国内会有一班子人拍手叫好；普鲁士那点人，格鲁希的那支偏师都有希望直捣勃兰登堡；奥地利就一战五渣、毛子也好不到那去；至于瑞西早就是不入流的了；法国又是什么鬼？而且你好像说的拿破仑就没有几十万大军一样。
英奥普俄之间本身就是矛盾重重，滑铁卢打赢后还能指望它们团结一致，倾国而战？要不内伊格鲁希这俩奇葩250胡来，滑铁卢根本不可能输。
拿个破轮就想征服世界…切
法国人又在拿一个外国人意淫了
怎么可能，1813的莱比锡会战已经证明，在各国民族主义思想崛起的形势下，法国已经无力在欧洲获得决定性的胜利，而连年的征战，使法国损失了一代青壮年，到了1815年的滑铁卢，拿破仑已经没有能力组织起一只可以对抗整个欧洲的军队。滑铁卢即使获胜，也只能给拿破仑一个好的条件与反法联盟签订一个合约，保持一定时间的和平。
估计法国胜利后，估计能保住撒丁岛和科西嘉岛，以及比利时，荷兰肯定保不住。
估计法国胜利后，估计能保住撒丁岛和科西嘉岛，以及比利时，荷兰肯定保不住。
滑铁卢拿破仑怎么可能赢？
法国人的血早就的差不多了。
怎么不可能赢，不下大雨、内伊不发神经去冲刺刀阵、格鲁希军回援，这三者具备一点，滑铁卢都是稳赢。
法国人的血早就的差不多了。
怎么不可能赢，不下大雨、内伊不发神经去冲刺刀阵、格鲁希军回援，这三者具备一点，滑铁卢都是稳赢。
如果斯巴达克斯当年下海游到北美大陆的话。。。 就算是真的，那也改变不了我们这个位面的世界进程，那只是那个位面的世界轨迹。
统一欧洲已经没机会了
滑铁卢打成什么样都没关系，因为东线还有无比强大的俄奥联军，拿破仑不过是个小丑而已
参见蒙古帝国。如果邱处机不过牛家村之法文版而已。
参见蒙古帝国。如果邱处机不过牛家村之法文版而已。