空军考虑为F-35升级新雷达和激光武器 恐导致盟国不满

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com ... 5-obsolescence.html

PARIS --- US Air Force plans to replace the F-35 fighter’s avionics, radar and engines are an implicit admission that the current aircraft is already obsolete and that, despite a unit cost of over $250 million, it cannot match the latest foreign fighters coming into service.

This is the first time a customer acknowledges that the obsolescence of the F-35’s sensors has degraded the aircraft’s still unproven nominal capabilities to the point that a radical upgrade is necessary, more than a year before it enters service.

The upgrade plans were revealed by Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, the USAF’s F-35 program chief, in an April 7 Reuters interview.

"We are already considering and thinking through what are some of the technologies that will be part of the F-35," Reuters reported Harrigian as saying. "This is not the time to rest on your laurels." Reuters added that “Harrigian gave few details but said potential upgrades could include new avionics systems, radar, laser weapons and a new more fuel-efficient engine,” and quoted him as saying "I don't think we would take anything off the table at this point."

$400 billion and still needs upgrades

In reality, Harrigian’s statements mean there will be little left of the F-35 that is now being procured under Low-Rate Initial Production contracts once its engine, avionics and radar are replaced by new systems.

Critics will no doubt question the wisdom of spending nearly $400 billion to develop and produce an aircraft that, years before it enters service, already needs an upgrade to all of its major components and systems.

The need for upgrades at this early stage completely also undermines the many claims of the F-35’s alleged across-the-board superiority made by the US military services, by foreign governments justifying their purchase, by manufacturer Lockheed Martin and by program officials at the F-35 Joint Program Office.

These are now shown to be little more than an officially-sanctioned marketing spiel, intended to cover up the aircraft’s well-documented deficiencies, which its backers nonetheless steadfastly continue to deny.

What do foreign buyers know?

It is debatable whether foreign partners and customers, for example, would have committed to spending billions of dollars on the F-35 if they had known they would have to pay for a costly upgrade to achieve the capabilities they were promised.

It also raises the issue of who will pay for the upgrades, given that the aircraft’s engine costs about $15 million, and that new avionics and radar are likely to add as much again, plus their development and installation costs.

The F-35 -- and its components -- was designed in the 1990s, its development contract was awarded in 2001 and it is due to reach Initial Operational Capability (IOC) with the US Air Force in mid-2016 – 15 years after contract award. USAF plans call for the F-35 to reach Full Operational Capability (FOC) around 2021 or 2022 – 20 years after award of the development contract.

No deviation from current plans

The most remarkable aspect of this interview is that, despite conceding that “the Air Force was already looking at follow-on capabilities for the F-35, given rapid technology development by potential adversaries,” Harrigian remains unperturbed, and confirms that the F-35’s Initial Operational Capability is still planned for August or September 2016.

However, he is “keeping close tabs on key items required to meet the target date,” Reuters reported, adding that “Those issues include software development, modification of existing jets to incorporate design changes, further work on a complex automated logistics system called ALIS and ensuring a sufficient number of technicians are trained to service the jet.”

"There's a lot of work to be done,” Harrigian said “but from where we sit, we're on the right glide path to IOC.”


简而言之,USAF终于意识到F-35根本无法应对未来威胁只好升级,而可怜的盟友不知做何感想

顺带,@笑脸男人  ,F-35的新雷达是什么?那个F-35的激光武器啥的有没说时间点?

http://www.defense-aerospace.com ... 5-obsolescence.html

PARIS --- US Air Force plans to replace the F-35 fighter’s avionics, radar and engines are an implicit admission that the current aircraft is already obsolete and that, despite a unit cost of over $250 million, it cannot match the latest foreign fighters coming into service.

This is the first time a customer acknowledges that the obsolescence of the F-35’s sensors has degraded the aircraft’s still unproven nominal capabilities to the point that a radical upgrade is necessary, more than a year before it enters service.

The upgrade plans were revealed by Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, the USAF’s F-35 program chief, in an April 7 Reuters interview.

"We are already considering and thinking through what are some of the technologies that will be part of the F-35," Reuters reported Harrigian as saying. "This is not the time to rest on your laurels." Reuters added that “Harrigian gave few details but said potential upgrades could include new avionics systems, radar, laser weapons and a new more fuel-efficient engine,” and quoted him as saying "I don't think we would take anything off the table at this point."

$400 billion and still needs upgrades

In reality, Harrigian’s statements mean there will be little left of the F-35 that is now being procured under Low-Rate Initial Production contracts once its engine, avionics and radar are replaced by new systems.

Critics will no doubt question the wisdom of spending nearly $400 billion to develop and produce an aircraft that, years before it enters service, already needs an upgrade to all of its major components and systems.

The need for upgrades at this early stage completely also undermines the many claims of the F-35’s alleged across-the-board superiority made by the US military services, by foreign governments justifying their purchase, by manufacturer Lockheed Martin and by program officials at the F-35 Joint Program Office.

These are now shown to be little more than an officially-sanctioned marketing spiel, intended to cover up the aircraft’s well-documented deficiencies, which its backers nonetheless steadfastly continue to deny.

What do foreign buyers know?

It is debatable whether foreign partners and customers, for example, would have committed to spending billions of dollars on the F-35 if they had known they would have to pay for a costly upgrade to achieve the capabilities they were promised.

It also raises the issue of who will pay for the upgrades, given that the aircraft’s engine costs about $15 million, and that new avionics and radar are likely to add as much again, plus their development and installation costs.

The F-35 -- and its components -- was designed in the 1990s, its development contract was awarded in 2001 and it is due to reach Initial Operational Capability (IOC) with the US Air Force in mid-2016 – 15 years after contract award. USAF plans call for the F-35 to reach Full Operational Capability (FOC) around 2021 or 2022 – 20 years after award of the development contract.

No deviation from current plans

The most remarkable aspect of this interview is that, despite conceding that “the Air Force was already looking at follow-on capabilities for the F-35, given rapid technology development by potential adversaries,” Harrigian remains unperturbed, and confirms that the F-35’s Initial Operational Capability is still planned for August or September 2016.

However, he is “keeping close tabs on key items required to meet the target date,” Reuters reported, adding that “Those issues include software development, modification of existing jets to incorporate design changes, further work on a complex automated logistics system called ALIS and ensuring a sufficient number of technicians are trained to service the jet.”

"There's a lot of work to be done,” Harrigian said “but from where we sit, we're on the right glide path to IOC.”


简而言之,USAF终于意识到F-35根本无法应对未来威胁只好升级,而可怜的盟友不知做何感想

顺带,@笑脸男人  ,F-35的新雷达是什么?那个F-35的激光武器啥的有没说时间点?


APG-81还不够好啊


APG-81还不够好啊
升呗,刚卖出去的再拿钱来吧,提款机S
牛逼吹大了吧??
不能自主研制,就老老实实被宰
名为盟友,实为仆从。老老实实交钱就行了~
应该是基于氮化镓T/R的新雷达

激光武器的话,有一种很早的设计但是只有F-35B能装,不过如果是吊舱模式的,那么A/C也能装

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新雷达啊,等具体参数看是啥东西
好玩,还没拿到手就再加3千万刀,盟友血淋淋,骡马笑嘻嘻,年中奖年终奖什么都有了
tenshou002 发表于 2015-4-12 17:08
好玩,还没拿到手就再加3千万刀,盟友血淋淋,骡马笑嘻嘻,年中奖年终奖什么都有了
骡马?骡子??混血儿就是聪明
笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 15:47
应该是基于氮化镓T/R的新雷达

激光武器的话,有一种很早的设计但是只有F-35B能装,不过如果是吊舱模式的 ...
喂,那个F-35的激光武器真的有在进行嘛???

另外吊舱是是什么鬼?
喂,那个F-35的激光武器真的有在进行嘛???

另外吊舱是是什么鬼?
有进行激光武器的研究,但是还没有确认一定要装到F-35上,不过有人站出来说要装

笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 19:25
有进行激光武器的研究,但是还没有确认一定要装到F-35上,不过有人站出来说要装
who?

我说的是F-35B那个方案

吊舱模式那个是指啥?

USNI 发表于 2015-4-12 19:31
who?

我说的是F-35B那个方案


F-35B的那个方案最早是诺格提出来的

最近几个月有空军的高层出来讨论六代机的时候说球电或者六代机可能会有激光武器

吊舱我看到的有DARPA的神剑项目,打算给收割者装,用来上升段反导的


USNI 发表于 2015-4-12 19:31
who?

我说的是F-35B那个方案


F-35B的那个方案最早是诺格提出来的

最近几个月有空军的高层出来讨论六代机的时候说球电或者六代机可能会有激光武器

吊舱我看到的有DARPA的神剑项目,打算给收割者装,用来上升段反导的

USNI 发表于 2015-4-12 19:31
who?

我说的是F-35B那个方案
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a435562.pdf
笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 19:41
F-35B的那个方案最早是诺格提出来的

最近几个月有空军的高层出来讨论六代机的时候说球电或者六代机 ...
这个很早就有预估吧,是10-20千米固体激光器吗,如是3千米的激光红外对自身伤害还很大吗,层主能不能多贴一些激光进展帖子,就当科普吧,极长时间没看激光等尖端科普进展了。。。
电功率自由电子激光器可能性在战斗机上可能没有吧,化学的也极不易携带是否还成立吗。。。。类似金属氢概念有突破吗,就当走极大捷径吧,
raptor82 发表于 2015-4-12 19:42
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a435562.pdf
这方案 (装在风扇)真有在执行?我是说继续研究,至少在2010后还有类似这方案研究出现嘛?

另外这只有F-35B能改装对吧?


笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 19:41
F-35B的那个方案最早是诺格提出来的

最近几个月有空军的高层出来讨论六代机的时候说球电或者六代机 ...


上升段反导...还是用Reaper....???DARPA看来也病不轻了
笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 19:41
F-35B的那个方案最早是诺格提出来的

最近几个月有空军的高层出来讨论六代机的时候说球电或者六代机 ...


上升段反导...还是用Reaper....???DARPA看来也病不轻了
USNI 发表于 2015-4-12 20:00
这方案 (装在风扇)真有在执行?我是说继续研究,至少在2010后还有类似这方案研究出现嘛?

另外这只有F- ...
论空间现役机种里确实只有F-35B去掉升力风扇才有可能塞进内置的100KW固体激光...........

目前还没有实装计划的报道好像.............
raptor82 发表于 2015-4-12 20:05
论空间现役机种里确实只有F-35B去掉升力风扇才有可能塞进内置的100KW固体激光...........

目前还没有 ...
所以F-35这些升级是怎么回事?另外F-35B去风扇这方案肯定不可行,除非要新造的B型直接去风扇

还是像是神剑直接发展吊舱?但这样就不隐身了吧?
USNI 发表于 2015-4-12 20:08
所以F-35这些升级是怎么回事?另外F-35B去风扇这方案肯定不可行,除非要新造的B型直接去风扇

还是像是 ...
肯定是用B型的airframe去做个新衍生型号啦,不可能有STOVL能力。

6th Gen fighter 重新设计新机体的话估计会考虑给DE武器留下足够的空间吧。

Reaper上用的Excalibur是翼下吊舱,大一点的喷气式Avenger的150KW激光好像是个机腹的保形舱

GENERAL ATOMICS Avenger UAV - High-Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System - AWS.jpg

raptor82 发表于 2015-4-12 20:19
肯定是用B型的airframe去做个新衍生型号啦,不可能有STOVL能力。

6th Gen fighter 重新设计新机体的话 ...
如果F-35会有laser weapon,应该也是像这个保形舱
raptor82 发表于 2015-4-12 20:19
肯定是用B型的airframe去做个新衍生型号啦,不可能有STOVL能力。

6th Gen fighter 重新设计新机体的话 ...
个人不觉得F-35会特别去改新改型,这徒增复杂度

适型舱已经是最好选择,能端看要不要加上去类似fuel tank的确不错
上升段反导...还是用Reaper....???DARPA看来也病不轻了
无人机用激光炮上升段反导是导弹防御局的脑洞

DARPA就是负责给他们实现脑洞的

个人不觉得F-35会特别去改新改型,这徒增复杂度

适型舱已经是最好选择,能端看要不要加上去类似fuel tan ...
F-35B那个方案的好处是有上下两个炮塔,射击范围更广

笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 21:01
无人机用激光炮上升段反导是导弹防御局的脑洞

DARPA就是负责给他们实现脑洞的
你真的相信配一个100kw的激光塔给reaper就可以去猎杀上升阶段的导弹?

这大概可以解释为何美帝自2000年后为何一系列的计画都跌跌撞撞
笑脸男人 发表于 2015-4-12 21:02
F-35B那个方案的好处是有上下两个炮塔,射击范围更广
问题是那方案要改动的设计太大,适型舱难道不是个更有可能实现的方案嘛?
USNI 发表于 2015-4-12 21:09
你真的相信配一个100kw的激光塔给reaper就可以去猎杀上升阶段的导弹?

这大概可以解释为何美帝自2000年 ...
可能只是战术反导,不过MDA那帮人被空军的将军吐槽说:“需要成年人的监管”

http://freebsd48.blog.163.com/bl ... 536120137258291396/