俄罗斯再次发动猛攻:第二波“十问乌克兰”(这次加上美 ...

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俄毛的第2批次“十问乌克兰(这次+美国)”

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?

“Please note that the plane stayed within the corridor until it reached Donetsk but then it deviated from the route to the north,” said Kartopolov.

2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?

“The maximum deviation from the left border of the corridor was 14 km. Following that, we can see the plane maneuvering to return to the corridor, yet the Malaysian crew did not get a chance to complete the maneuver. At 17.20, the plane began to lose speed, and at 17.23 it disappeared from Russian radars.”

3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the militia-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?

“As far as we know, the Ukrainian military had three or four air defense battalions equipped with Buk-M1 SAM systems deployed in the vicinity of Donetsk on the day of the crash. This system is capable of hitting targets within the range of 35 km at the altitude of up to 22 km.”

4. Why did Kiev deploy Buk missile system right next to the militia-controlled area straight ahead of the tragedy?

“We have satellite photos of the places where Ukraine had its air defense units deployed in the southeastern parts of the country. The first three photos were made on July 14. The first photo shows Buk launchers 8 km northwest of Lugansk. You can clearly see a TELAR and two TELs. The second photo shows radars 5 km north of Donetsk. You can see two TARs along with other equipment and technical structures. The third photo shows air defense systems north of Donetsk. You can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures.

“Here’s a photo of the same area made on July 17. Please note that the launcher has disappeared. The fifth photo shows a battery of Buk missiles at the village of Zaroshchenskoye 50 km east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shakhtyorsk on the morning of the same day. The sixth photo shows the same area on July 18. As you can see, the battery has left.”

5. On the day of the crash Kiev increased activity on its Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are components of the Buk system in the area. Why?

“Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.”

6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?

“There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.”

“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.”

“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.”

7. Why was the military jet flying at almost the same time and the same altitude with a passenger plane?

“At 17:21’35, with [the Boeing’s] velocity having dropped to 200 kilometers per hour, a new mark detecting an airborne object appears at the spot of the Boeing’s destruction. This new airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya. An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its parameters – most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar transponder, which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft,” said Makushev.

“Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to ascend. Further changes in the airborne object’s coordinates suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777’s crash site, monitoring of the situation.

“Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.”

8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?

“I’d like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems – unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia,” said Kartopolov.

“For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.”

9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?

10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?

“US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the militia. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.

“This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.”

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/俄毛的第2批次“十问乌克兰(这次+美国)”

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?

“Please note that the plane stayed within the corridor until it reached Donetsk but then it deviated from the route to the north,” said Kartopolov.

2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?

“The maximum deviation from the left border of the corridor was 14 km. Following that, we can see the plane maneuvering to return to the corridor, yet the Malaysian crew did not get a chance to complete the maneuver. At 17.20, the plane began to lose speed, and at 17.23 it disappeared from Russian radars.”

3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the militia-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?

“As far as we know, the Ukrainian military had three or four air defense battalions equipped with Buk-M1 SAM systems deployed in the vicinity of Donetsk on the day of the crash. This system is capable of hitting targets within the range of 35 km at the altitude of up to 22 km.”

4. Why did Kiev deploy Buk missile system right next to the militia-controlled area straight ahead of the tragedy?

“We have satellite photos of the places where Ukraine had its air defense units deployed in the southeastern parts of the country. The first three photos were made on July 14. The first photo shows Buk launchers 8 km northwest of Lugansk. You can clearly see a TELAR and two TELs. The second photo shows radars 5 km north of Donetsk. You can see two TARs along with other equipment and technical structures. The third photo shows air defense systems north of Donetsk. You can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures.

“Here’s a photo of the same area made on July 17. Please note that the launcher has disappeared. The fifth photo shows a battery of Buk missiles at the village of Zaroshchenskoye 50 km east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shakhtyorsk on the morning of the same day. The sixth photo shows the same area on July 18. As you can see, the battery has left.”

5. On the day of the crash Kiev increased activity on its Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are components of the Buk system in the area. Why?

“Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.”

6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?

“There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.”

“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.”

“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.”

7. Why was the military jet flying at almost the same time and the same altitude with a passenger plane?

“At 17:21’35, with [the Boeing’s] velocity having dropped to 200 kilometers per hour, a new mark detecting an airborne object appears at the spot of the Boeing’s destruction. This new airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya. An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its parameters – most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar transponder, which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft,” said Makushev.

“Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to ascend. Further changes in the airborne object’s coordinates suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777’s crash site, monitoring of the situation.

“Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.”

8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?

“I’d like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems – unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia,” said Kartopolov.

“For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.”

9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?

10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?

“US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the militia. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.

“This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.”

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/
又是九评,又是十问,真热闹。。。
又是九 ping,又是十问,真是太有趣了
方言看不懂啊!谁翻下啊!
这次老毛子干的不错啊,后发制人,杀人诛心呐!
别光嘴炮了——民兵和赤卫队前线吃紧了,急需正规红军来支援——普皇快派一个集团军来……
  这戏的高潮在后面哪!


1、为什么MH17会离开国际航线?Kartopolov说:“请注意飞机在到达顿涅茨克前一直在国际航道中,但是到了顿涅茨克北部它偏离了国际航线。”
2、难道MH17偏离航线是导航错误或者飞行员听从了乌克兰Dnepropetrovsk空中交通管制人员的指令?“飞机偏离航线左边界的最大距离达到14公里,随后,我们看到飞机想移动回国际航道,但是马来西亚飞行员未能完成移回航道的机动,到17:20分时,飞机失去速度并于17:23分在俄罗斯的雷达上消失。”
3、民兵控制区没有飞机,为什么在这里部署大规模的空中防御系统?“据我们所知,在空难当天,乌克兰有三或四个配备buk-m1山姆系统的防空营部署在顿涅茨克附近。该系统能够击中长达35公里范围内22公里高度的目标。”
4、在悲剧发生前,基辅为什么在民兵控制区旁边部署导弹探测系统?
“我们有乌克兰东南部该国防空力量部署的卫星照片,最早的三张照片是7月14日拍摄的。第一张照片显示卢甘斯克西北8公里处的Buk发射器,你可以清楚地看到Telar和两部电话。第二张照片显示顿涅茨克以北5公里处的雷达,你可以看到两个和其它设备与技术装备一起的系留气球雷达系统。第三的照片显示顿涅茨克北部的防空系统,你可以清楚地看到Telar发射器和大约60个军事及辅助车辆、车帐篷和其他体系。”
“第四张是同一地区7月17日的照片。请注意,发射器已经消失了。第五张照片显示在顿涅茨克以东50公里zaroshchenskoye乡间和同一天上午在Shakhtyorsk以南8公里处的一连串Buk导弹。第六张照片显示7月18日的同一地区,你可以看到,电池已经离开了。”


(大体意思,凑合看吧。有事外出,请其他朋友继续)

1、为什么MH17会离开国际航线?Kartopolov说:“请注意飞机在到达顿涅茨克前一直在国际航道中,但是到了顿涅茨克北部它偏离了国际航线。”
2、难道MH17偏离航线是导航错误或者飞行员听从了乌克兰Dnepropetrovsk空中交通管制人员的指令?“飞机偏离航线左边界的最大距离达到14公里,随后,我们看到飞机想移动回国际航道,但是马来西亚飞行员未能完成移回航道的机动,到17:20分时,飞机失去速度并于17:23分在俄罗斯的雷达上消失。”
3、民兵控制区没有飞机,为什么在这里部署大规模的空中防御系统?“据我们所知,在空难当天,乌克兰有三或四个配备buk-m1山姆系统的防空营部署在顿涅茨克附近。该系统能够击中长达35公里范围内22公里高度的目标。”
4、在悲剧发生前,基辅为什么在民兵控制区旁边部署导弹探测系统?
“我们有乌克兰东南部该国防空力量部署的卫星照片,最早的三张照片是7月14日拍摄的。第一张照片显示卢甘斯克西北8公里处的Buk发射器,你可以清楚地看到Telar和两部电话。第二张照片显示顿涅茨克以北5公里处的雷达,你可以看到两个和其它设备与技术装备一起的系留气球雷达系统。第三的照片显示顿涅茨克北部的防空系统,你可以清楚地看到Telar发射器和大约60个军事及辅助车辆、车帐篷和其他体系。”
“第四张是同一地区7月17日的照片。请注意,发射器已经消失了。第五张照片显示在顿涅茨克以东50公里zaroshchenskoye乡间和同一天上午在Shakhtyorsk以南8公里处的一连串Buk导弹。第六张照片显示7月18日的同一地区,你可以看到,电池已经离开了。”


(大体意思,凑合看吧。有事外出,请其他朋友继续)
我赌个茶叶蛋,这事不会有真相。
赢了俺自费买个吃下去,输了买两个让俺心痛半年。哈哈
问的再有力也没用,人家就是不听你说话,就是说是你干的,就是要制裁你,再说出花来也是白搭啊
普金快准备好和中国再亲密些,作好战争的准备吧,美国就是想整俄罗斯,有没有这借口都会整的
最可耻的是美帝;
急不可耐的跳出来说是导弹击落,证据呢?
哦,吞吞吐吐几天都交不出来,被自己吃掉了
这下可好,俄国反将一军:推算当时你TM有早期预警卫星在上空,看到什么了,拿出来啊
没用,老毛子这次必须大失血!
感觉大毛的反击在后面
茣斯科的意思是客机被苏25干掉了。。,
感觉事件一发生,大毛就完全知道真相了。只要顶过第一段三板斧,随着大毛的信息不断发布,后面好戏上台。
冒泡泡的鱼 发表于 2014-7-22 19:46
方言看不懂啊!谁翻下啊!
就是就是,没翻译怎么看
不论是否有这次航班事件,毛子肯定会出血的,这是必然,从毛子收回克里米亚以后就注定了。乌克兰就是一个美俄欧较量的平台,让他们去斗吧,对我们有好处。
好歹给翻译一下,这鸟语懂得不多
只能说这是一次载入国际关系史的历史事件。不管真相如何,无论谁做的,都称得上分水岭式的事件了。我说的不是废话。
→_→O_O←_←什么节奏
cd.hua 发表于 2014-7-22 20:44
最可耻的是美帝;
急不可耐的跳出来说是导弹击落,证据呢?
哦,吞吞吐吐几天都交不出来,被自己吃掉了{: ...
谁说没有证据,CIA正在找导演制造证据呢,现在只是还没有制造出来罢了,等会,类似于伊拉克大规模杀伤性武器就来了。
简单翻译,随便看看
1.为啥马航17离开了国际走廊?
2.马航偏离是因为导航错误还是机组依照乌克兰空管的指令?
3.为啥一大批防空导弹被部署到民兵控制地区?这些民兵并没有飞机。
4.为啥基辅防空导弹恰在灾难之前被部署到紧邻民兵控制区?
5.失事那天防空系统雷达活动增多,为啥?
6.军机在民航航线上干啥?
7.为啥军机和马航几乎在同时间和同高度?
8.那辆发射车(西媒大肆宣传的视频中显示并且宣称由乌克兰向俄罗斯转移的)来自哪里?正像视频是在基辅控制区拍摄一样,发射车被转移到了哪里?
9.它现在何处?为啥一些导弹不见了?它上一次发射导弹是在何时?
10.美国佬宣称民兵发射了导弹,为啥不出示证据?
看来准备挽袖子开干了
九平乌克兰  乌克兰迫害马航乘客内幕……
这就是四人打牌三打一,哪一就是毛子
MD:你输了,我有两个王
毛:拿出来,出牌啊
MD:你就是输了,不信,让牛牛来看
牛牛:恩,你就是输了,鹰有一对王哟~~
毛:你倒是出牌啊~
MD:你就是输了,不信再让鸡鸡来看看。。
高卢:毛子,你认了吧,你输了,鹰哥真有一对王哟~~
毛:倒是出牌啊!你们这些畜生!
这是逛大妓院的后遗症咩?还是学兔子的文风啊

军营门外 发表于 2014-7-22 19:52
1、为什么MH17会离开国际航线?Kartopolov说:“请注意飞机在到达顿涅茨克前一直在国际航道中,但是到了顿 ...


5、为什么在空难当天基辅在这一地区的Buk系统的kupol-m1 9s18雷达活动增加了。
“同时,7月17日可以见到乌克兰Buk系统kupol-m1 9s18雷达增加的部分活动。从这个图表,你能看到有7月15日这一地区的雷达有7次操作,7月16日有8次操作,7月17日有9次操作。然后,从7月18日起相关雷达的活动强度锐减到每天不超过2-3次,其背后的原因尚待发现。”

6、军用飞机在民用飞机的航线上做什么呢?
“在这一时间,有三架民用飞机正在作常规航班的飞行,有一个航班17:17从哥本哈根飞往新加坡,有一个航班17:24从巴黎飞往台北,还有一个航班从阿姆斯特丹飞往吉隆坡。”
“同时,俄罗斯监控系统探测到这里有一架乌克兰军机,应为Su-25,爬升并接近马来西亚的波音客机。
“su-25距离马来西亚飞机3-5公里,它能短时爬升到海拔10000米,标准装备包括R60空对空导弹,能够锁定和击中12公里内,确保击中距离5公里的目标。”

7、为什么军用飞机在与客机相同的时间和高度飞行?

军营门外 发表于 2014-7-22 19:52
1、为什么MH17会离开国际航线?Kartopolov说:“请注意飞机在到达顿涅茨克前一直在国际航道中,但是到了顿 ...


5、为什么在空难当天基辅在这一地区的Buk系统的kupol-m1 9s18雷达活动增加了。
“同时,7月17日可以见到乌克兰Buk系统kupol-m1 9s18雷达增加的部分活动。从这个图表,你能看到有7月15日这一地区的雷达有7次操作,7月16日有8次操作,7月17日有9次操作。然后,从7月18日起相关雷达的活动强度锐减到每天不超过2-3次,其背后的原因尚待发现。”

6、军用飞机在民用飞机的航线上做什么呢?
“在这一时间,有三架民用飞机正在作常规航班的飞行,有一个航班17:17从哥本哈根飞往新加坡,有一个航班17:24从巴黎飞往台北,还有一个航班从阿姆斯特丹飞往吉隆坡。”
“同时,俄罗斯监控系统探测到这里有一架乌克兰军机,应为Su-25,爬升并接近马来西亚的波音客机。
“su-25距离马来西亚飞机3-5公里,它能短时爬升到海拔10000米,标准装备包括R60空对空导弹,能够锁定和击中12公里内,确保击中距离5公里的目标。”

7、为什么军用飞机在与客机相同的时间和高度飞行?
尼玛这是准备打谁的脸啊
suiguofang 发表于 2014-7-22 20:34
我赌个茶叶蛋,这事不会有真相。
赢了俺自费买个吃下去,输了买两个让俺心痛半年。哈哈
有钱人!两个茶叶蛋才心疼半年。

你让我这个还在吃草从来没有吃过茶叶蛋没有喝过权贵可乐的西部人情何以堪,情何以堪


有翻译出来了:
http://news.qq.com/a/20140722/065956.htm
俄罗斯军方向乌克兰和美国再发十问


据俄媒《今日俄罗斯》报道,马航MH17客机坠毁已过去5天。事故原因众说纷纭,面对一些西方国家和乌克兰的指责,俄罗斯军方周一公布了最新的雷达监测数据并做出分析,数据显示在MH17失事前乌克兰政府军飞机曾对其进行跟踪。继上周发出十问后,本周俄罗斯军方再次向乌克兰当局和西方国家提出十个问题。

1、为什么MH17不按国际规定航线飞行?

俄罗斯军方官员Kartopolov称在MH17飞入顿涅茨克地区之前,一直按照国际通行航线飞行,可数据显示到了乌克兰东部的顿涅茨克地区,它便改变了航线。

2、MH17改变航向是因为导航错误还是因为机组人员收到了乌克兰第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克市地面交管员的指令?

MH17当时飞行的路线与国际通行航线至少有14公里的误差,我们可以看到飞机曾试图回到正常路线上来,但是17点20时,飞机的速度开始直线下降,17点23分它已经从俄罗斯的雷达监控中消失。

3、顿涅茨克地区的分离武装航空自卫队称没有装备飞机,那么为何军事区域乌克兰会部署大型防空导弹系统?

7月14日,顿涅茨克市以北的5公里处,顿涅茨克地区的山毛榉导弹防御系统。

据我们所知,MH17失事当日,乌克兰政府军在顿涅茨克地区部署有3到4个防空营,这些防空营均配备有“山毛榉”防空导弹系统。

4、为什么悲剧发生之前基辅会在分裂武装控制的区域附近部署反导系统?


7月17日,顿涅茨克市以北的5公里处,顿涅茨克地区的山毛榉导弹防御系统已经转移。

俄罗斯的卫星照片显示,乌克兰在该国东南部地区部署有防空部队。前三张照片是7月14日拍摄的。第一张照片显示在卢甘斯克西北8公里处有山毛榉导弹发射架。你可以清楚地看到1辆雷达车和其它发射设备。第二张照片显示处于顿涅茨克以北5公里的雷达系统,你可以清楚地看到2辆雷达车与和其它设备。第三个图为顿涅茨克北方的防空系统。你可以清楚地看到一个1辆雷达车和大约60辆军事车辆。

这是在7月17日拍摄到的同一地区的照片。请注意,发射架已经消失了。第五图为山毛榉导弹的电池组在顿涅茨克东部50公里处的村庄出现。第六图为7月18日拍摄的同一个区域。能够看得到,电池已经被移走了。

5、为什么在马航飞机坠毁的当天,基辅的Kupol-M19S18雷达运行强度明显增强?而此雷达系统又是山毛榉导弹运行必不可少的一部分。

7月17日,俄罗斯观察到乌克兰的Kupol-M19S18雷达运行强度明显增强,此雷达系统是山毛榉导弹必不可少的一部分。从下面这张图上可以看到在7月15日有7部雷达运行,7月16日达到了8部,而7月17日达到了顶峰9部。接着,从7月18日开始,雷达的运行强度大规模减弱,现在每天在运行的雷达不超过2至3部,这背后的原因究竟是什么?

6、为什么是军用飞机出现在民用航班的航线上?

俄罗斯展示的MH17飞机飞行周边状态。

有3架民用飞机在马航MH17执坠落时段出现在当时的区域。17时17分时有一架从哥本哈根飞往新加坡的民航飞机,17时24分有一架从巴黎飞往台北的民航飞机,还有一架是从阿姆斯特丹飞往吉隆坡的飞机。此外俄罗斯的监测系统显示,有一架乌克兰空军飞机,很有可能是苏-25,曾上升高度并接近马航飞机。

苏-25大概距离马航飞机3-5公里。苏-25爬升到10000米高空需要的时间很短。它的标准弹药转配包括R60空-空导弹,射程达到12公里。所有如果有目标出现在其5公里处时,可以说打击成功率能够达到100%

7、为什么是军用飞机与马航MH17几乎在同一高度同时出现?

在17时21分35秒时,马航飞机的飞行速度已经下降到每小时200公里,而雷达在其坠落地点的上空又检测到一架新的飞行器,它在雷达上停留了4分钟。地面要求其报告自己的基本信息,但是没有得到任何的回应。这很有可能是因为飞机上并没有装配二级雷达回应器,所以无法回答。而这也是军用飞机最明显的特征。雷达监测表面,这架军用飞机在马航MH17坠落后仍然在事故现场上空盘旋飞行,以监视随后发生的状况。乌克兰官员早前声称己方没有军用飞机出现在当时的事故区域,但是正如你所能够看到的,乌方的言论不是事实。

8、在西方媒体发布的视频中,一批山毛榉导弹系统从乌克兰被运往俄罗斯,那这个导弹发射器是从何而来?视频的拍摄地点是基辅控制的地域内,导弹发射器究竟被运往何处?

"我要说的是,我们在此发布的任何信息都是客观的,数据也是通过各种技术系统而得出的,十分可信。不像那些针对俄罗斯的指控,毫无根据。“Kartopolov说。

“比如,媒体上播放了一个可能是一个发射山毛榉导弹的系统从乌克兰运往俄罗斯,这显然是伪造的。视频是在乌克兰东部克拉斯诺梅斯克市拍摄的,背景上的广告牌展示的是位于第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克街34号的汽车经销商。5月11日起,克拉斯诺梅斯克市就已经处于乌克兰政府军队的控制之下。”

9、导弹发射器现在在哪里?为什么发射器里有几枚导弹不见了?这部车最后一次导弹发射是在什么时候?
10、美国官方称MH17航班是被乌克兰境内的民兵组织击落,为什么还没有证据支持?

美国官员称他们有卫星照片可以证明马航飞机是被民兵组织的导弹击落。但到目前为止还没有人见过美国的卫星照片。据我们所知,美国卫星在莫斯科时间7月17日17:06到17:21确实处于乌克兰东南部的上空。

“这颗卫星是美国导弹预警系统的一部分,旨在追踪和监控不同区域的导弹发射情况。如果美国得到了卫星图像,就应该向国际社会公布,以求进一步的调查。这也许是一个巧合,但美国卫星飞过乌克兰的时间与马来西亚客机坠毁的时间完全相同。”

俄罗斯认为,这已经不是俄罗斯第一次就此次空难进行发问。 基辅坚称俄罗斯是飞机袭击案的幕后黑手,但是却没有任何证据。迄今为止只有“录音”勉强充数。

美国将所有的过错都推到了俄罗斯头上,却也拒绝公布任何情报资料。 周一,美国国务院副发言人Marie Harf谴责俄罗斯所罗列的证据是“政治宣传和虚假谎言”。但是当记者问她华盛顿是否会提供他们的情报资源和卫星数据时,哈尔夫苏菲只轻描淡写地回答说:“可能会吧。” 迄今为止,美国所有言论的来源都是所谓的“常识”和社交媒体,而不是证据。


有翻译出来了:
http://news.qq.com/a/20140722/065956.htm
俄罗斯军方向乌克兰和美国再发十问


据俄媒《今日俄罗斯》报道,马航MH17客机坠毁已过去5天。事故原因众说纷纭,面对一些西方国家和乌克兰的指责,俄罗斯军方周一公布了最新的雷达监测数据并做出分析,数据显示在MH17失事前乌克兰政府军飞机曾对其进行跟踪。继上周发出十问后,本周俄罗斯军方再次向乌克兰当局和西方国家提出十个问题。

1、为什么MH17不按国际规定航线飞行?

俄罗斯军方官员Kartopolov称在MH17飞入顿涅茨克地区之前,一直按照国际通行航线飞行,可数据显示到了乌克兰东部的顿涅茨克地区,它便改变了航线。

2、MH17改变航向是因为导航错误还是因为机组人员收到了乌克兰第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克市地面交管员的指令?

MH17当时飞行的路线与国际通行航线至少有14公里的误差,我们可以看到飞机曾试图回到正常路线上来,但是17点20时,飞机的速度开始直线下降,17点23分它已经从俄罗斯的雷达监控中消失。

3、顿涅茨克地区的分离武装航空自卫队称没有装备飞机,那么为何军事区域乌克兰会部署大型防空导弹系统?

7月14日,顿涅茨克市以北的5公里处,顿涅茨克地区的山毛榉导弹防御系统。

据我们所知,MH17失事当日,乌克兰政府军在顿涅茨克地区部署有3到4个防空营,这些防空营均配备有“山毛榉”防空导弹系统。

4、为什么悲剧发生之前基辅会在分裂武装控制的区域附近部署反导系统?


7月17日,顿涅茨克市以北的5公里处,顿涅茨克地区的山毛榉导弹防御系统已经转移。

俄罗斯的卫星照片显示,乌克兰在该国东南部地区部署有防空部队。前三张照片是7月14日拍摄的。第一张照片显示在卢甘斯克西北8公里处有山毛榉导弹发射架。你可以清楚地看到1辆雷达车和其它发射设备。第二张照片显示处于顿涅茨克以北5公里的雷达系统,你可以清楚地看到2辆雷达车与和其它设备。第三个图为顿涅茨克北方的防空系统。你可以清楚地看到一个1辆雷达车和大约60辆军事车辆。

这是在7月17日拍摄到的同一地区的照片。请注意,发射架已经消失了。第五图为山毛榉导弹的电池组在顿涅茨克东部50公里处的村庄出现。第六图为7月18日拍摄的同一个区域。能够看得到,电池已经被移走了。

5、为什么在马航飞机坠毁的当天,基辅的Kupol-M19S18雷达运行强度明显增强?而此雷达系统又是山毛榉导弹运行必不可少的一部分。

7月17日,俄罗斯观察到乌克兰的Kupol-M19S18雷达运行强度明显增强,此雷达系统是山毛榉导弹必不可少的一部分。从下面这张图上可以看到在7月15日有7部雷达运行,7月16日达到了8部,而7月17日达到了顶峰9部。接着,从7月18日开始,雷达的运行强度大规模减弱,现在每天在运行的雷达不超过2至3部,这背后的原因究竟是什么?

6、为什么是军用飞机出现在民用航班的航线上?

俄罗斯展示的MH17飞机飞行周边状态。

有3架民用飞机在马航MH17执坠落时段出现在当时的区域。17时17分时有一架从哥本哈根飞往新加坡的民航飞机,17时24分有一架从巴黎飞往台北的民航飞机,还有一架是从阿姆斯特丹飞往吉隆坡的飞机。此外俄罗斯的监测系统显示,有一架乌克兰空军飞机,很有可能是苏-25,曾上升高度并接近马航飞机。

苏-25大概距离马航飞机3-5公里。苏-25爬升到10000米高空需要的时间很短。它的标准弹药转配包括R60空-空导弹,射程达到12公里。所有如果有目标出现在其5公里处时,可以说打击成功率能够达到100%

7、为什么是军用飞机与马航MH17几乎在同一高度同时出现?

在17时21分35秒时,马航飞机的飞行速度已经下降到每小时200公里,而雷达在其坠落地点的上空又检测到一架新的飞行器,它在雷达上停留了4分钟。地面要求其报告自己的基本信息,但是没有得到任何的回应。这很有可能是因为飞机上并没有装配二级雷达回应器,所以无法回答。而这也是军用飞机最明显的特征。雷达监测表面,这架军用飞机在马航MH17坠落后仍然在事故现场上空盘旋飞行,以监视随后发生的状况。乌克兰官员早前声称己方没有军用飞机出现在当时的事故区域,但是正如你所能够看到的,乌方的言论不是事实。

8、在西方媒体发布的视频中,一批山毛榉导弹系统从乌克兰被运往俄罗斯,那这个导弹发射器是从何而来?视频的拍摄地点是基辅控制的地域内,导弹发射器究竟被运往何处?

"我要说的是,我们在此发布的任何信息都是客观的,数据也是通过各种技术系统而得出的,十分可信。不像那些针对俄罗斯的指控,毫无根据。“Kartopolov说。

“比如,媒体上播放了一个可能是一个发射山毛榉导弹的系统从乌克兰运往俄罗斯,这显然是伪造的。视频是在乌克兰东部克拉斯诺梅斯克市拍摄的,背景上的广告牌展示的是位于第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克街34号的汽车经销商。5月11日起,克拉斯诺梅斯克市就已经处于乌克兰政府军队的控制之下。”

9、导弹发射器现在在哪里?为什么发射器里有几枚导弹不见了?这部车最后一次导弹发射是在什么时候?
10、美国官方称MH17航班是被乌克兰境内的民兵组织击落,为什么还没有证据支持?

美国官员称他们有卫星照片可以证明马航飞机是被民兵组织的导弹击落。但到目前为止还没有人见过美国的卫星照片。据我们所知,美国卫星在莫斯科时间7月17日17:06到17:21确实处于乌克兰东南部的上空。

“这颗卫星是美国导弹预警系统的一部分,旨在追踪和监控不同区域的导弹发射情况。如果美国得到了卫星图像,就应该向国际社会公布,以求进一步的调查。这也许是一个巧合,但美国卫星飞过乌克兰的时间与马来西亚客机坠毁的时间完全相同。”

俄罗斯认为,这已经不是俄罗斯第一次就此次空难进行发问。 基辅坚称俄罗斯是飞机袭击案的幕后黑手,但是却没有任何证据。迄今为止只有“录音”勉强充数。

美国将所有的过错都推到了俄罗斯头上,却也拒绝公布任何情报资料。 周一,美国国务院副发言人Marie Harf谴责俄罗斯所罗列的证据是“政治宣传和虚假谎言”。但是当记者问她华盛顿是否会提供他们的情报资源和卫星数据时,哈尔夫苏菲只轻描淡写地回答说:“可能会吧。” 迄今为止,美国所有言论的来源都是所谓的“常识”和社交媒体,而不是证据。
我就两条,第一说好的25个美国乘客呢,第二说好的美利坚高科技卫星图呢。大爷可等了好几天了。


10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?
美国官员声称是民兵击落了MH17,但是为什么迟迟不肯出示相关证据?

“US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the militia. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
美国官员声称他们的卫星照片可以证明是民兵发射的导弹击落了MH17。但是目前还没人看到这些照片。据我们所知,莫斯科时间7月17号17.06_17.21,的确有一个美国的卫星飞越乌克兰东南部地区。

“This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.”
该卫星属于美国预警系统,该系统被设计为可以跟踪和监控各种不同射程的导弹的发射活动。如果我们的美国同僚有该卫星的影像,应该公诸于国际社会,以供细节核实。这可能纯属巧合,但是马航坠毁
的时候美国的卫星恰好在飞越该地区上空。





10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?
美国官员声称是民兵击落了MH17,但是为什么迟迟不肯出示相关证据?

“US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the militia. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
美国官员声称他们的卫星照片可以证明是民兵发射的导弹击落了MH17。但是目前还没人看到这些照片。据我们所知,莫斯科时间7月17号17.06_17.21,的确有一个美国的卫星飞越乌克兰东南部地区。

“This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.”
该卫星属于美国预警系统,该系统被设计为可以跟踪和监控各种不同射程的导弹的发射活动。如果我们的美国同僚有该卫星的影像,应该公诸于国际社会,以供细节核实。这可能纯属巧合,但是马航坠毁
的时候美国的卫星恰好在飞越该地区上空。



有翻译出来了:
http://news.qq.com/a/20140722/065956.htm
俄罗斯军方向乌克兰和美国再发十问

懒蛋,早不搬过来,害得我还自己动手翻译,用手机来回看上下文翻译很累人的。
治兵如理水 发表于 2014-7-22 23:25
懒蛋,早不搬过来,害得我还自己动手翻译,用手机来回看上下文翻译很累人的。
我翻译了6条以后,才发现有这个……
我翻译了6条以后,才发现有这个……
哈哈,咱俩都犯傻了。
别光嘴炮了——民兵和赤卫队前线吃紧了,急需正规红军来支援——普皇快派一个集团军来……
一个集团军估计就把乌克兰灭了。
治兵如理水 发表于 2014-7-22 23:29
哈哈,咱俩都犯傻了。
为人民服务……
(自己看不用翻译的,看原文即可,主要是服务意识)

长河落月 发表于 2014-7-22 21:09
茣斯科的意思是客机被苏25干掉了。。,


没有,俄罗斯这次信息公布,可比美国高明。
只提供了可能与坠机有关的各种相关信息,但却不下结论。

除了苏25,也说了乌政府军在此地部署了Buk导弹系统,且当天雷达还频繁开机。

要明白“谁主张谁举证”的道理。

美国既然下了结论,也就是提出了主张,那就有义务提供充分的证据来证明此主张。

如果给不出足够的证据,同时别人还能提供大量“疑点”的证据,那你之前的结论、主张就显得十分滑稽、可笑。

让人觉得即便不是刻意造假,那也是别有用心。。。
长河落月 发表于 2014-7-22 21:09
茣斯科的意思是客机被苏25干掉了。。,


没有,俄罗斯这次信息公布,可比美国高明。
只提供了可能与坠机有关的各种相关信息,但却不下结论。

除了苏25,也说了乌政府军在此地部署了Buk导弹系统,且当天雷达还频繁开机。

要明白“谁主张谁举证”的道理。

美国既然下了结论,也就是提出了主张,那就有义务提供充分的证据来证明此主张。

如果给不出足够的证据,同时别人还能提供大量“疑点”的证据,那你之前的结论、主张就显得十分滑稽、可笑。

让人觉得即便不是刻意造假,那也是别有用心。。。
会不会像当年U2一样让美国吃瘪
美国的早期预警卫星在睡觉么~