从目前证据来看,基本可以确定是亲俄罗斯民兵所为,不过 ...

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目前最有力证据是一段击落客机后的手机通话被曝光,是属于亲俄罗斯武装分子和他们指挥官在击落战机后的通话。乌克兰政府的空管让客机飞越战区是极度不负责任的行为,亲俄罗斯武装分子未必能分清客机和其他飞机的区别。愿死者安息!

以下为手机通话内容,以翻译为英文,我没时间翻译,懂点英语应该看得明白。

Intercepted communications between separatists and their moscow handlers
(with english subtitles)
Trasncript:
Subtitled: 17.07.2014. Bezler group terrorists have shot down a passanger plane Boeing-777 of Malaysian Airlines using air missile system. At 16:40 Bezler has reported to his coordinator GRU colonel Geranin Vasiliy Mykolayovich.

Bezler: "Just downed a plane. "Miner" group. It has fallen behind Enakievo.

Geranin: "Pilots? Where are the pilots?"

Bezler: "Went to look for and photo the downed plane. It's smoking..."

Geranin: "How many minutes ago?"

Bezler: "Approximately 30 minutes ago"

Subtites: After examining the plane terrorists have concluded they've downed the civilian aircraft.

"Greek" (apparently a nickname):

"Yes, major!"

"Major" (same here): "Allright. So the "chernuhinskie" have downed the plane. From Chernuhinskiy check point. Cosacs that are located at Chernuhino." "The plane has colapsed in the air, around the Petropavlovsk mine. We found the first "two hundred" (dead person). It's a civilian"

Greek: "What's going on there?"

Major: "In short, [****], its 100% a civilian plane"

Greek: "[****] are there a lot of people?"

Major: "****ing ****. The parts have fallen right in the backyards."

Greek: "What kind of plane?"

Major: "I haven't figured out yet. I haven't been to the main part. I am only looking where the first bodies started to fall. There are the remainders of inside connections, seats, bodies."

Greek: "Understood. Any weaponry?"

Major: "Nothing at all. Civilian belongings, medical remainders, towels, toilet paper"

Greek: "Any documents?"

Major: "Yes. Of Indonesian student. From Thompson University"

terrorist: "About the plane, downed around Snizhne - Torez. It came out to be a passenger plane. It has collapsed near Grabovo, there is a sea of dead bodies, women and children. Cosacs are looking at it now. They are reporting on TV that it is a Ukrainian transport An-26, but they say it says Malaysian Airlines on it. What was it doing on Ukrainian territory?"

M. Kozicin: "Means they were transporting spies. Shouldn't fukn fly there, it's war now'

A Buk SAM system escaping the Torez area after the downing
supposedly you can make out that 2 out of 4 missiles are missing, (2 white tips visible)

Compilation of crash footage




下面链接里有各种证据的来源,包括录音的视频

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnew ... s_over_the_ukraine/目前最有力证据是一段击落客机后的手机通话被曝光,是属于亲俄罗斯武装分子和他们指挥官在击落战机后的通话。乌克兰政府的空管让客机飞越战区是极度不负责任的行为,亲俄罗斯武装分子未必能分清客机和其他飞机的区别。愿死者安息!

以下为手机通话内容,以翻译为英文,我没时间翻译,懂点英语应该看得明白。

Intercepted communications between separatists and their moscow handlers
(with english subtitles)
Trasncript:
Subtitled: 17.07.2014. Bezler group terrorists have shot down a passanger plane Boeing-777 of Malaysian Airlines using air missile system. At 16:40 Bezler has reported to his coordinator GRU colonel Geranin Vasiliy Mykolayovich.

Bezler: "Just downed a plane. "Miner" group. It has fallen behind Enakievo.

Geranin: "Pilots? Where are the pilots?"

Bezler: "Went to look for and photo the downed plane. It's smoking..."

Geranin: "How many minutes ago?"

Bezler: "Approximately 30 minutes ago"

Subtites: After examining the plane terrorists have concluded they've downed the civilian aircraft.

"Greek" (apparently a nickname):

"Yes, major!"

"Major" (same here): "Allright. So the "chernuhinskie" have downed the plane. From Chernuhinskiy check point. Cosacs that are located at Chernuhino." "The plane has colapsed in the air, around the Petropavlovsk mine. We found the first "two hundred" (dead person). It's a civilian"

Greek: "What's going on there?"

Major: "In short, [****], its 100% a civilian plane"

Greek: "[****] are there a lot of people?"

Major: "****ing ****. The parts have fallen right in the backyards."

Greek: "What kind of plane?"

Major: "I haven't figured out yet. I haven't been to the main part. I am only looking where the first bodies started to fall. There are the remainders of inside connections, seats, bodies."

Greek: "Understood. Any weaponry?"

Major: "Nothing at all. Civilian belongings, medical remainders, towels, toilet paper"

Greek: "Any documents?"

Major: "Yes. Of Indonesian student. From Thompson University"

terrorist: "About the plane, downed around Snizhne - Torez. It came out to be a passenger plane. It has collapsed near Grabovo, there is a sea of dead bodies, women and children. Cosacs are looking at it now. They are reporting on TV that it is a Ukrainian transport An-26, but they say it says Malaysian Airlines on it. What was it doing on Ukrainian territory?"

M. Kozicin: "Means they were transporting spies. Shouldn't fukn fly there, it's war now'

A Buk SAM system escaping the Torez area after the downing
supposedly you can make out that 2 out of 4 missiles are missing, (2 white tips visible)

Compilation of crash footage




下面链接里有各种证据的来源,包括录音的视频

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnew ... s_over_the_ukraine/
这小说是谁写的!
这小说是谁写的!
小说?在还没有爆出是客机之前 民兵领袖还到处炫耀击落了一架乌克兰运输机
看看各方怎么收场吧
这小说是谁写的!
而且是同一时间 同一地点 甚至还配了两张黑烟滚滚的图 那两张图竟然就是777坠毁的地点
飞机怎么进战区了,不是前几天就禁航了
这小说是谁写的!
去看看昨天晚上客机坠毁的消息还没有公布前超大的帖子 一群逗比还在为民兵击落安26欢呼
飞机怎么进战区了,不是前几天就禁航了
事实是,乌克兰已经在该区域设置禁飞区,但是在17日15:00之前,这个禁飞区都只是设置在乌克兰东部26,000-32,000英尺,并非彻底禁飞。
飞机怎么进战区了,不是前几天就禁航了
所以飞了个33000 结果还是被民兵当乌克兰军用运输机给击落了
BOBAN10 发表于 2014-7-18 07:13
小说?在还没有爆出是客机之前 民兵领袖还到处炫耀击落了一架乌克兰运输机
确实击落了一架乌军用运输机,乌方已经承认了。而且客机失事后,乌方怀疑是俄军干的,说民间武装没有可攻击高空目标的武器。
不太相信这个录音。
要是乌克兰对民兵组织的电子监控作的这么好,那还至于这么长时间都没消灭他们。
多少民兵头脑都不够乌军斩首的。当初俄罗斯炸死车臣头子用的不就是电话定位。
西乌占8成,明知东乌用导弹描准飞机,还送羊入虎囗|,居心何在,马航又一次再遭横锅,,,可怜机上295个生命,
事实是,乌克兰已经在该区域设置禁飞区,但是在17日15:00之前,这个禁飞区都只是设置在乌克兰东部26,000- ...
说到底,让民航飞机从战区上空通过,乌克兰政府难逃罪责。
这里的大多是亲俄分子,他们会说这是乌克兰在美帝指示下嫁祸亲俄武装和普京,而忘记几天前他们是如何为击落政府军安26欢呼的
确实击落了一架乌军用运输机,乌方已经承认了。而且客机失事后,乌方怀疑是俄军干的,说民间武装没有可攻 ...
别混淆视听好不好 击落的明明是苏25 而且还是被俄罗斯战机击落的
说到底,让民航飞机从战区上空通过,乌克兰政府难逃罪责。
普京的飞机当时也要从那里过,证明当时空域是安全的

而且雷达完全可以分辨777和战斗机或者an-26的区别,体积差太多,这责任民兵还是要占大头
马航怎么这么倒霉~~
说的是n-26,拜托,发帖前做做功课。
普京的飞机当时也要从那里过,证明当时空域是安全的

而且雷达完全可以分辨777和战斗机或者an-26的区别 ...
普京飞机飞越那里是谣言 已经被证实了
马航管理混乱,也要打一板子!
这事和乌政府真没有什么关系吧?
说的是n-26,拜托,发帖前做做功课。
说的就是安26 因为他们以为是安26
普京的飞机当时也要从那里过,证明当时空域是安全的   而且雷达完全可以分辨777和战斗机或者an-26的区别 ...
我有点不明白,美国的雷达探测到有雷达开机并锁死客机,但到现在还没有马航飞行员的报告或者反应等的报告。
马航管理混乱,也要打一板子!
马航飞机还特意在33000的民航高度飞行 要说有错 也不是什么大错 各国都有飞机从那经过
有黑匣子,可以查的。师母已呆吧。
马航飞机还特意在33000的民航高度飞行 要说有错 也不是什么大错 各国都有飞机从那经过
到底是1万还是3万3。。
屁股决定脑袋的50%
这事儿吧,乌克兰不地道来自: Android客户端
而且是同一时间 同一地点 甚至还配了两张黑烟滚滚的图 那两张图竟然就是777坠毁的地点
同一时间是多少?同一地点在哪里?从照片上是如何看出?
到底是1万还是3万3。。
拜托 一万是米为单位。。。
拜托 一万是米为单位。。。
哦,那就1万米不行么,好好的中国人不用公制,玩耍什么其他范儿。。是来搞笑么
楼主结论下的还真早
马航快倒闭了吧…连续两次…
同一时间是多少?同一地点在哪里?从照片上是如何看出?
UTC时间13:20分坠毁 几乎同一时间民兵领袖发布击落安26 并配上远处浓烟照片 同时民兵组织在Snezhnoe的山毛榉发射车被当地居民拍到 GOOGLE地图都有位置 高度一致 事后浓烟的地点被证明就是777坠毁地点 之后民兵领袖删除照片
到底是1万还是3万3。。
指的显然是英尺
哦,那就1万米不行么,好好的中国人不用公制,玩耍什么其他范儿。。是来搞笑么
乌克兰公布的临时禁飞区就是26000到32000英尺 难道还要我来帮你转换到米?
请问楼主这算证据吗?
请问楼主这算证据吗?
什么才算证据啊?
根据腾迅新闻上所说,上面至少有23名美国公民,那么,美国是打东乌还是打俄国呢?
不然,美国就太怂了
zwf027 发表于 2014-7-18 07:58
哦,那就1万米不行么,好好的中国人不用公制,玩耍什么其他范儿。。是来搞笑么
航空的话是双计量制的。
根据要求,有的时候要报公制,更多的还是用英制……