参考:Russian Fighters for China Still On Hold

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TAIPEI — Russian industry officials are denying media reports that Beijing and Moscow are finalizing a deal on the sale of advanced Russian fighters and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to China.

Widely reported by other media outlets, Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV announced that the head of Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, confirmed that a deal with China to procure Su-35S fighters and S-400 SAMs was close to concluding.

But Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) denies that Pogosyan discussed anything beyond the sale of commercial aircraft during his visit to China.

Maxim Syssoev, manager of UAC’s communications department, wrote in a news release that Pogosyan did not discuss the sale of the Su-35 with Chinese officials. However, UAC and China’s state-run Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China did sign a cooperation agreement to build wide-body long-range commercial airliners on May 20.

This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”

Whether the sale goes forward today or next year, it will spell trouble for Taiwan and Japan’s efforts to defend the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The 400-kilometer range S-400 will allow China to strike any aircraft over Taiwan. This will give China effective control of Taiwan’s airspace during a war. At present, China’s 300-kilometer range S-300s can hit aircraft only in a small section of Taiwan’s northwest coastal area.

The S-400 will make it difficult for Tokyo to control the Senkaku’s airspace. The disputed islands are controlled by Japan, but also claimed by China as the Diaoyu Islands are within 350 kilometers of China’s coast.

Taiwan is also facing a fighter shortage as older aircraft, such as the roughly 50 F-5s and 55 Mirage 2000s, begin retiring within the next 10 years. What remain are 126 upgraded indigenous defense fighters (IDFs) and 144 F-16A/B fighters. Taiwan has initiated an upgrade program for the F-16s, but still insists the US release 66 F-16C/D fighters on hold since 2006.

One response for Washington would be to sell Taiwan the “General Electric F404 or F414-class small turbofan engine that would allow Taiwan to develop its indigenous defense fighter into a very short take-off, supersonic climbing fighter,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. “With very high acceleration and climb, such a ‘Super IDF’ could develop tactics involving supersonic eastern egress to evade SAMs, gain altitude and then launch missiles down on attacking [Chinese] aircraft.”

China has an array of S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems at its fingertips and the sale of the S-400 and technology to develop more advanced air defense systems will no doubt put the region on notice.

“This has long been expected and would be consistent with the practice of Almaz-Antey [S-300/400 manufacturer] to use foreign sales to assist the funding of their next-generation projects,” Fisher said.

“Almaz-Antey transferred S-300 technology to allow China to develop its HQ-9 family of fourth generation SAMs and it can be expected that in the future, they will sell S-400 technology to China to enable their next generation SAM as well,” he said.■



英文水平不高,看下来好像苏霍伊的 Mikhail Pogosyan说su35和s400快定下来了,但2016年前s400不会到货链接:http://www.defensenews.com/artic ... rs-China-Still-Hold

全文:
TAIPEI — Russian industry officials are denying media reports that Beijing and Moscow are finalizing a deal on the sale of advanced Russian fighters and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) to China.

Widely reported by other media outlets, Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV announced that the head of Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, confirmed that a deal with China to procure Su-35S fighters and S-400 SAMs was close to concluding.

But Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) denies that Pogosyan discussed anything beyond the sale of commercial aircraft during his visit to China.

Maxim Syssoev, manager of UAC’s communications department, wrote in a news release that Pogosyan did not discuss the sale of the Su-35 with Chinese officials. However, UAC and China’s state-run Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China did sign a cooperation agreement to build wide-body long-range commercial airliners on May 20.

This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has been made, said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

“As I understand, S-400 and Su-35 deals might be sped up because of the growing importance of strategic ties with China for Moscow after the Crimean crisis,” he said. However, “taking into account production cycles, the first S-400s are unlikely to reach China before 2016.”

Whether the sale goes forward today or next year, it will spell trouble for Taiwan and Japan’s efforts to defend the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The 400-kilometer range S-400 will allow China to strike any aircraft over Taiwan. This will give China effective control of Taiwan’s airspace during a war. At present, China’s 300-kilometer range S-300s can hit aircraft only in a small section of Taiwan’s northwest coastal area.

The S-400 will make it difficult for Tokyo to control the Senkaku’s airspace. The disputed islands are controlled by Japan, but also claimed by China as the Diaoyu Islands are within 350 kilometers of China’s coast.

Taiwan is also facing a fighter shortage as older aircraft, such as the roughly 50 F-5s and 55 Mirage 2000s, begin retiring within the next 10 years. What remain are 126 upgraded indigenous defense fighters (IDFs) and 144 F-16A/B fighters. Taiwan has initiated an upgrade program for the F-16s, but still insists the US release 66 F-16C/D fighters on hold since 2006.

One response for Washington would be to sell Taiwan the “General Electric F404 or F414-class small turbofan engine that would allow Taiwan to develop its indigenous defense fighter into a very short take-off, supersonic climbing fighter,” said Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. “With very high acceleration and climb, such a ‘Super IDF’ could develop tactics involving supersonic eastern egress to evade SAMs, gain altitude and then launch missiles down on attacking [Chinese] aircraft.”

China has an array of S-300 and HQ-9 air defense systems at its fingertips and the sale of the S-400 and technology to develop more advanced air defense systems will no doubt put the region on notice.

“This has long been expected and would be consistent with the practice of Almaz-Antey [S-300/400 manufacturer] to use foreign sales to assist the funding of their next-generation projects,” Fisher said.

“Almaz-Antey transferred S-300 technology to allow China to develop its HQ-9 family of fourth generation SAMs and it can be expected that in the future, they will sell S-400 technology to China to enable their next generation SAM as well,” he said.■



英文水平不高,看下来好像苏霍伊的 Mikhail Pogosyan说su35和s400快定下来了,但2016年前s400不会到货



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Reports Denied: Russia has denied media reports that it is close to selling Su-35S fighters to China. Here, spectators view an Su-35 at the Paris Air Show last year. (Eric Feferberg/AFP/Getty Images)


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Reports Denied: Russia has denied media reports that it is close to selling Su-35S fighters to China. Here, spectators view an Su-35 at the Paris Air Show last year. (Eric Feferberg/AFP/Getty Images)


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Reports Denied: Russia has denied media reports that it is close to selling Su-35S fighters  ...
蓝字大快人心
意思是某鸟媒体造谣?等高层再来否认这个报道。


两年了。莫非再两年后,还要“将签署”。再四年后,“接近签署”。再过六年后“合同己签字,就等盖章”。2022年,“合同己盖章,还需要花时间复印一份。”。
http://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1520313

两年了。莫非再两年后,还要“将签署”。再四年后,“接近签署”。再过六年后“合同己签字,就等盖章”。2022年,“合同己盖章,还需要花时间复印一份。”。
http://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1520313
意思就是波戈相根本没说卖苏35的事,就是媒体造谣
ssj100高层您在哪里??希望您参加完军委扩大会议之后来这里给屌丝们说明一下。
yjqww6 发表于 2014-6-1 13:06
意思就是波戈相根本没说卖苏35的事,就是媒体造谣
很明显波戈相确实造了谣,但是现在又撂挑子了。
潜水芙蓉 发表于 2014-6-1 14:04
很明显波戈相确实造了谣,但是现在又撂挑子了。

不会吧,
你从哪儿得出的结论?
人家也是航空企业的总经理
哪会乱说


西门吸血 发表于 2014-6-1 12:05
蓝字大快人心
丢西瓜拣芝麻
后面一句才是重点

su35算个球,宽体客机才是真正能威胁到美欧的东西
YmzgU 发表于 2014-6-1 14:10
不会吧,
你从哪儿得出的结论?
人家也是航空企业的总经理
现在暂时懒得详细说,但是你迟早会对我的结论心服口服。
潜水芙蓉 发表于 2014-6-1 15:00
现在暂时懒得详细说,但是你迟早会对我的结论心服口服。

迟早?
谁知道?
也许迟早是你会认识到你是在瞎扯呢



YmzgU 发表于 2014-6-1 15:18
迟早?
谁知道?
也许迟早是你会认识到你是在瞎扯呢
你忘了我开的那个长帖了吗?在那里有我一系列的辟谣见解,我会时不时更新的。
潜水芙蓉 发表于 2014-6-1 15:26
你忘了我开的那个长帖了吗?在那里有我一系列的辟谣见解,我会时不时更新的。

那不一样,
这个新闻说是波戈相说的
那是有比较高的可信度的


我去!这么狗血的话题到头来居然没有???
香港媒体造的谣?哈?
很好奇,我们和毛子合作宽体客机以什么形式进行?因为我们在民航制造领域几乎是一穷二白,既然合作,那必定有互补的方面,这样的话,该怎么进行呢?
Tray.P.Wan 发表于 2014-6-1 16:41
很好奇,我们和毛子合作宽体客机以什么形式进行?因为我们在民航制造领域几乎是一穷二白,既然合作,那必定 ...
根据双方的技术优势,无外乎鹅毛牵头气动设计及机翼制造,其他部件中国制造,机载设备西方供应的模式。
西门吸血 发表于 2014-6-1 12:05
蓝字大快人心
没啥大快人心的,宋晓军英语水平看来也是半斤八两,人家只是否定了已经签单,没说没有与中国的交易,他有误导大众的嫌疑
这时候该SSJ100出来发表内幕消息了
Caesarwang 发表于 2014-6-1 17:22
This does not mean that a deal on the multirole combat aircraft is dead, only that no agreement has  ...
said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. , 这只是设在莫斯科一个智库的研究员说的,基本没有什么说服力,谢谢!the deal is not dead, yeah, it has already been alive for over 10 years, it's immortal!

另外蓝色字体部分: Russia has denied media reports that it is close to selling Su-35S fighters to China  俄罗斯已否认之前媒体的与中国接近达成Su-35交易的报道。这说明之前引起毛粉高潮的媒体报道完全是杜撰的假货,呵呵,Sorry!
跟天然气一样, 说不定明天就签了
hantangsongming 发表于 2014-6-1 21:04
said Vasily Kashin, a researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technol ...
宋晓军”没有与中国有su35的交易“

俄罗斯 ”still on hold“

就事论事,不是没有,只是on hold。当然前面凤凰新闻所谓”已经签约“是假新闻
出口转内销,内销再出口,罗圈新闻
没中文翻译啊,那还贴个JB
谁中文翻译下,英语实在看不懂
Tray.P.Wan 发表于 2014-6-1 16:41
很好奇,我们和毛子合作宽体客机以什么形式进行?因为我们在民航制造领域几乎是一穷二白,既然合作,那必定 ...
这可不能说是真的一穷二白……
波音的机头是成飞搞的,波音的肚子是西飞搞的,波音的尾巴是沈飞搞的
(大致是这样,也可能有出入)
单说造个壳子,我们倒是的确没问题……
ssj100高层您在哪里??希望您参加完军委扩大会议之后来这里给屌丝们说明一下。
同声呼唤…………呵呵
毛粉真挺可怜的
一个破35都成精神支柱了
TG这要是不买让毛粉可咋活啊
meloncumt 发表于 2014-6-1 14:44
丢西瓜拣芝麻
后面一句才是重点
毛子的IL96-300刚出事、、、
Caesarwang 发表于 2014-6-1 21:09
宋晓军”没有与中国有su35的交易“

俄罗斯 ”still on hold“
说得对,这个新闻如果是真的,恰恰说明兔子确实是跟毛子在谈SU-35,只不过谈判还没结束。但不管怎样,各路媒体的没节操性又一次暴露,不管是真懂还是假懂,反正标题党不用上税,怎么吸引眼球怎么来。
猛犸8 发表于 2014-6-4 10:16
毛子的IL96-300刚出事、、、
哪跟哪啊

mh370找到了吗?
meloncumt 发表于 2014-6-4 12:10
哪跟哪啊

mh370找到了吗?
你确认看懂我的回复是什么意思么。。
Caesarwang 发表于 2014-6-1 17:21
没啥大快人心的,宋晓军英语水平看来也是半斤八两,人家只是否定了已经签单,没说没有与中国的交易,他有 ...
他微博上误导的次数还少么。。。呵呵
不认得洋文....
不认得洋文....
需要课外授业么?听力,阅读,写作,口活全套。
牛帖,这里必须顶起。