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众所周知TG的航空发动机还不太成熟，依然依赖俄制发动机，加之苏35气动外形却有优势，引进一批还是有一定滋养借鉴作用的，但是却存在系统整合问题，俄制与我军早已分道扬镳已经不是一个系统了，还有俄制电子设备（包裹机载雷达）亦没有我军先进，故而询问一个很不成熟的想法，如果购进苏35能否用TG自家的雷达与航电，世界武器进口有此先例否？众所周知TG的航空发动机还不太成熟，依然依赖俄制发动机，加之苏35气动外形却有优势，引进一批还是有一定滋养借鉴作用的，但是却存在系统整合问题，俄制与我军早已分道扬镳已经不是一个系统了，还有俄制电子设备（包裹机载雷达）亦没有我军先进，故而询问一个很不成熟的想法，如果购进苏35能否用TG自家的雷达与航电，世界武器进口有此先例否？
很难，除非只买机体和航发，但是飞发火一体系统不知道能行不……
简单点俄国人会同意这类做法吗？ 如果可以的话我想TG能引进一大批苏35，必定现在的周边形势实在太紧张了，这样等于两国和造战斗机了，速度会快不少吧？说白了就是借苏35一个壳子，用咱们自己的系统航电。
那就不叫购买而叫合作研制了。而且推诿扯皮什么的，周期会拖长。
那就不叫购买而叫合作研制了。而且推诿扯皮什么的，周期会拖长。
西门飘血 发表于 2014-1-31 18:15
那就不叫购买而叫合作研制了。而且推诿扯皮什么的，周期会拖长。
其实不所谓的，俄国人想开点有钱为什么不赚呢？双方都放低身段坦诚点这类买卖未必就做不成吧？
那就不叫购买而叫合作研制了。而且推诿扯皮什么的，周期会拖长。
其实不所谓的，俄国人想开点有钱为什么不赚呢？双方都放低身段坦诚点这类买卖未必就做不成吧？
那不就是自己搞3.5重歼，最多进点毛发不就行了？机体气动貌似一点没变，最多是加大了复合材料应用比例。
baihuodalou 发表于 2014-1-31 18:21
其实不所谓的，俄国人想开点有钱为什么不赚呢？双方都放低身段坦诚点这类买卖未必就做不成吧？
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
其实不所谓的，俄国人想开点有钱为什么不赚呢？双方都放低身段坦诚点这类买卖未必就做不成吧？
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
卖方市场，买卖双方非盟友，你说呢？
740159711 发表于 2014-1-31 18:34
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
T-50也有这个底气就真牛了，就怕一代不如一代啊。
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
T-50也有这个底气就真牛了，就怕一代不如一代啊。
红海mini 发表于 2014-1-31 18:30
那不就是自己搞3.5重歼，最多进点毛发不就行了？机体气动貌似一点没变，最多是加大了复合材料应用比例。
35相对27来说气动变化蛮大的吧？
那不就是自己搞3.5重歼，最多进点毛发不就行了？机体气动貌似一点没变，最多是加大了复合材料应用比例。
35相对27来说气动变化蛮大的吧？
购进苏35不能用TG自家的雷达与航电
740159711 发表于 2014-1-31 18:34
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
毛子没这么霸气吧，貌似是上赶着咱们买？
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
毛子没这么霸气吧，貌似是上赶着咱们买？
悲惨的群力 发表于 2014-1-31 18:53
卖方市场，买卖双方非盟友，你说呢？
35绝对是买方市场，毛子再不卖真快死裤裆里了！
卖方市场，买卖双方非盟友，你说呢？
35绝对是买方市场，毛子再不卖真快死裤裆里了！
qych500 发表于 2014-1-31 18:58
购进苏35不能用TG自家的雷达与航电
为什么不能用？
购进苏35不能用TG自家的雷达与航电
为什么不能用？
因为飞火推是由软件控制的，我国雷达也无法融入机体软件。
qych500 发表于 2014-1-31 19:02
因为飞火推是由软件控制的，我国雷达也无法融入机体软件。
毛子不能开放软件系统吗？
因为飞火推是由软件控制的，我国雷达也无法融入机体软件。
毛子不能开放软件系统吗？
一氧化二氢 发表于 2014-1-31 18:57
T-50也有这个底气就真牛了，就怕一代不如一代啊。
三哥那是爱买不买就这东西 我兔吗嘿嘿。。。
T-50也有这个底气就真牛了，就怕一代不如一代啊。
三哥那是爱买不买就这东西 我兔吗嘿嘿。。。
baihuodalou 发表于 2014-1-31 19:04
毛子不能开放软件系统吗？
美国都不开放f35软件，俄国可能吗？
毛子不能开放软件系统吗？
美国都不开放f35软件，俄国可能吗？
35是飞火推一体么？
baihuodalou 发表于 2014-1-31 19:09
三哥那是爱买不买就这东西 我兔吗嘿嘿。。。
我兔对T-50“嘿嘿”？
三哥那是爱买不买就这东西 我兔吗嘿嘿。。。
我兔对T-50“嘿嘿”？
美国当初买海鹞后就是里里外外换了个遍。不过美英关系和中俄关系不是一个级别的。
个人瞎猜，底线是能用国产弹药和整合国产数据链，做不到这两点买了无用；再好点能换上国产雷达，不知这是否需要开放航电控制软件的源代码？要么Su-35的航电综合水平低，只需开放接口协议就行？这个得请教懂的网友；最理想是整个航电架构全换掉只留下飞控和发控，这个可能性接近于零，除了俄方不会提供技术支持外硬件上也很难保障。
个人瞎猜，底线是能用国产弹药和整合国产数据链，做不到这两点买了无用；再好点能换上国产雷达，不知这是否需要开放航电控制软件的源代码？要么Su-35的航电综合水平低，只需开放接口协议就行？这个得请教懂的网友；最理想是整个航电架构全换掉只留下飞控和发控，这个可能性接近于零，除了俄方不会提供技术支持外硬件上也很难保障。
很难
向毛子开放我们的电子设备性能数据？！就毛子的节操？！天呐，不可想象，多少保密协定都堵不住那张臭嘴
740159711 发表于 2014-1-31 18:34
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
这六字真言或许对三哥有效，对兔子？嘿嘿
毛子的六字真言：爱要要，不要滚！
这六字真言或许对三哥有效，对兔子？嘿嘿
楼主，休闲畅谈区，有一个允许捞10次的捞分贴，是昨天某个敬业的ID发的，主题思想是，天朝看中了毛子的航电，才引进72架的。大家都去捞分吧。
那不就是自己搞3.5重歼，最多进点毛发不就行了？机体气动貌似一点没变，最多是加大了复合材料应用比例。
加大复合材料比例是说加就加的？
11b前车之鉴就在那
加大复合材料比例是说加就加的？
11b前车之鉴就在那
加大复合材料比例是说加就加的？ 11b前车之鉴就在那
11b到底怎么了？能讲讲么？
11b到底怎么了？能讲讲么？
The distinctive feature of Su-35 is the employment of a new suite of onboard instruments. Its core is the information management system (IMS), which integrates functional, logical, informational and software subsystems into a single complex that ensures the interaction between the crew and equipment. The IMS includes two central digital computers, commutation and information devices and an indication system built on the “all-glass cockpit” concept.
The core of the Su-35 cockpit instrumentation suite are two full-color multi-function liquid crystal displays of MFI type, a multi-function panel with a built-in display processor, a wide angle collimatory display on the windshield and a control and indication panel.
MFI multi-function displays with a built-in processor measure 9 x 12 inches (diagonal 15 inches) and have a resolution of 1400x1050 pixels. They are intended for reception, processing and production, in a multiple window mode, of graphic, numeric, alphabetic and symbolic information. They also present televised information received from onboard TV sensors and impose on it synthesized numeric, alphabetic and symbolic information. Besides, they produce and send video signals in a digital format to the video record unit. The multi-function panel with a built-in display processor presents the required information and issues commands by pushing the buttons on the button array at any time in flight. The airborne collimatory display with a built-in processor monitors the space beyond the cockpit. The information is processed by control signals. The collimator angle of view is 20x30о.
The onboard systems and armament in the new cockpit of Su-35 are controlled by buttons and switches on the aircraft control joystick and engine control levers as well as by a button array on multi-function displays. Thus the HOTAS concept is realized on this type of aircraft. The displays and some other avionics systems of Su-35 are developed by Instrument Design Bureau of Ramenskoye and affiliated companies of Tekhnokompleks Research and Production Association.
The aircraft is equipped with the new Integrated digital aircraft con-trol system (ICS) carried out the functions of Fly-by-wire and Automatic Flight Control systems, Signal limiting system and Air Data System, and Landing Gear Wheel Braking Control System. The aircraft boasts of new avionics with the use of multiplex communication links, and phased array radar. Wide-angle colour head-up display and two large-format colour MFDs form the aircraft indication system. Due to the cockpit lightening equipment the pilot can use night vision goggle.
苏35已实现飞推火一体控制了
The core of the Su-35 cockpit instrumentation suite are two full-color multi-function liquid crystal displays of MFI type, a multi-function panel with a built-in display processor, a wide angle collimatory display on the windshield and a control and indication panel.
MFI multi-function displays with a built-in processor measure 9 x 12 inches (diagonal 15 inches) and have a resolution of 1400x1050 pixels. They are intended for reception, processing and production, in a multiple window mode, of graphic, numeric, alphabetic and symbolic information. They also present televised information received from onboard TV sensors and impose on it synthesized numeric, alphabetic and symbolic information. Besides, they produce and send video signals in a digital format to the video record unit. The multi-function panel with a built-in display processor presents the required information and issues commands by pushing the buttons on the button array at any time in flight. The airborne collimatory display with a built-in processor monitors the space beyond the cockpit. The information is processed by control signals. The collimator angle of view is 20x30о.
The onboard systems and armament in the new cockpit of Su-35 are controlled by buttons and switches on the aircraft control joystick and engine control levers as well as by a button array on multi-function displays. Thus the HOTAS concept is realized on this type of aircraft. The displays and some other avionics systems of Su-35 are developed by Instrument Design Bureau of Ramenskoye and affiliated companies of Tekhnokompleks Research and Production Association.
The aircraft is equipped with the new Integrated digital aircraft con-trol system (ICS) carried out the functions of Fly-by-wire and Automatic Flight Control systems, Signal limiting system and Air Data System, and Landing Gear Wheel Braking Control System. The aircraft boasts of new avionics with the use of multiplex communication links, and phased array radar. Wide-angle colour head-up display and two large-format colour MFDs form the aircraft indication system. Due to the cockpit lightening equipment the pilot can use night vision goggle.
苏35已实现飞推火一体控制了
人家是飞火推一体的，不会开放源代码的
The digital redundant integrated flight control system was developed for equipping the Su-35 aircraft. It performs the following functions:
manual fly-by-wire control of the aircraft control surfaces by means of hydraulic actuators according to pilot commands and flight parameter sensor signals;
manual and automatic fly-by-wire control of thrust vector by means of engine nozzle swiveling parts and engine thrust control;
automatic and flight-director control of the aircraft;
object ground run control by means of the nose landing gear wheels (swiveling part) turn and the main landing gear wheels braking with anti-skidding;
measuring, calculating and delivering information about current values of altitude-speed flight parameters to consumers;
definition of the maximum permissible values of flight parameters in accordance with information about current load and fuelling, flight condition and serviceability of interactive systems;
generation and delivery of information to external systems in order to report about flight parameters approaching the maximum permissible values and to activate automatic prevention of the flight parameters spillover;
automatic obstacle collision avoidance (earth surface, other aircraft, armaments, its own air armaments fragments and others) by signals from the information management system of an airborne equipment complex;
support of aircraft stability and controllability during in-flight refueling;
automatic pre-start check of serviceability and continuous in-flight monitoring with failure localization and results output.
飞控是功能很强大的
manual fly-by-wire control of the aircraft control surfaces by means of hydraulic actuators according to pilot commands and flight parameter sensor signals;
manual and automatic fly-by-wire control of thrust vector by means of engine nozzle swiveling parts and engine thrust control;
automatic and flight-director control of the aircraft;
object ground run control by means of the nose landing gear wheels (swiveling part) turn and the main landing gear wheels braking with anti-skidding;
measuring, calculating and delivering information about current values of altitude-speed flight parameters to consumers;
definition of the maximum permissible values of flight parameters in accordance with information about current load and fuelling, flight condition and serviceability of interactive systems;
generation and delivery of information to external systems in order to report about flight parameters approaching the maximum permissible values and to activate automatic prevention of the flight parameters spillover;
automatic obstacle collision avoidance (earth surface, other aircraft, armaments, its own air armaments fragments and others) by signals from the information management system of an airborne equipment complex;
support of aircraft stability and controllability during in-flight refueling;
automatic pre-start check of serviceability and continuous in-flight monitoring with failure localization and results output.
飞控是功能很强大的
只能靠逆向工程
不过等逆向搞出来了，估计20都OK了
35雷达不是被吹的很牛逼吗，干嘛要换
11b到底怎么了？能讲讲么？
某飞当年为了用而用的事都不知道？
就是用了复材减重，出事了，加固，减重失败。。。。
某飞当年为了用而用的事都不知道？
就是用了复材减重，出事了，加固，减重失败。。。。
695447055 发表于 2014-1-31 23:10
某飞当年为了用而用的事都不知道？
就是用了复材减重，出事了，加固，减重失败。。。。
谣就在这样造的吗？
某飞当年为了用而用的事都不知道？
就是用了复材减重，出事了，加固，减重失败。。。。
谣就在这样造的吗？
这个主意不错啊
俄电子设备没我军先进？还真不好说。看电子的什么领域了。
换是能换，就怕换了效果不好。
换是能换，就怕换了效果不好。
我们除了PUPU谁都不认
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baihuodalou 发表于 2014-1-31 18:07
简单点俄国人会同意这类做法吗？ 如果可以的话我想TG能引进一大批苏35，必定现在的周边形势实在太紧张了， ...
哦，这个想法明显会存在很多很难，
或者说不能解决的问题
比如说你只买机体和发动机，那留给俄方的有没有足够的利润呢？
毕竟作生意，得双方都有所收获才行
另一方面，现代战机的航电和机体是紧密结合的
你没有办法分开作然后拼凑在一起就能行的
现在都是集成在一体研发试飞定型的
换TB航电就得从新走试飞的程序
时间要拖很久，有风险，而且试飞由谁来作？
简单点俄国人会同意这类做法吗？ 如果可以的话我想TG能引进一大批苏35，必定现在的周边形势实在太紧张了， ...
哦，这个想法明显会存在很多很难，
或者说不能解决的问题
比如说你只买机体和发动机，那留给俄方的有没有足够的利润呢？
毕竟作生意，得双方都有所收获才行
另一方面，现代战机的航电和机体是紧密结合的
你没有办法分开作然后拼凑在一起就能行的
现在都是集成在一体研发试飞定型的
换TB航电就得从新走试飞的程序
时间要拖很久，有风险，而且试飞由谁来作？
fhlx 发表于 2014-1-31 20:20
楼主，休闲畅谈区，有一个允许捞10次的捞分贴，是昨天某个敬业的ID发的，主题思想是，天朝看中了毛子的航电 ...
算了吧我就图一乐儿 就别没事喷人家去了。。。
楼主，休闲畅谈区，有一个允许捞10次的捞分贴，是昨天某个敬业的ID发的，主题思想是，天朝看中了毛子的航电 ...
算了吧我就图一乐儿 就别没事喷人家去了。。。