伦敦市长鲍里斯撰文盛赞中国高铁 回忆在中国乘高铁经历

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不久前刚刚访问中国的伦敦市长鲍里斯•约翰逊昨天在英国《每日电讯报》发表文章回忆自己在华乘坐高铁的经历,敦促英国国内早点就修建高铁计划达成共识。

英国政府2012年计划斥资327亿英镑修建一条连接伦敦、伯明翰及北部城市的高铁线路“HS2”。英国政府预计,一期工程“伦敦至伯明翰线”将于2026年建成,投资额约为170亿英镑,届时伦敦到伯明翰的时间将从1个半小时缩短到49分钟。二期工程“曼城、利兹及西斯罗机场延线”将于2033年落成。高速铁路建成后,可以节省民众和商务人士的时间成本,每年为英国节约上百亿英镑。英国也可以借此赶上世界发展高铁的潮流,避免被其他国家落在后面。


这一计划虽受到商界人士和工会的支持,但遭到沿线居民团体、地方议会以及环保组织的抗议,甚至包括威尔士事务大臣谢里尔•吉兰在内的政府官员也因为考虑到选民的反弹,对此计划颇有微词。遭到各方反对的高铁迟迟未能动工。这让鲍里斯•约翰逊感到不满,他在《每日电讯报》上发表文章称中国修建高铁的效率很高。

以下是鲍里斯•约翰逊在《每日电讯报》专栏上文章的节选翻译:

我在中国乘坐高铁的经历中有很多令人吃惊的事情,它的速度要比最快的马萨拉蒂跑车还要快,它飞驰在田野上,能看到戴着草帽的农民星星点点,它穿越高山,一座座新城由近而远。坐在车上的噪音或震动甚至没有一只猫咪发出的咕噜声来的巨大——但这还不是中国高铁最惊奇的地方。

令人惊讶的并不是高铁的速度、安静和舒适,而是我们的中国朋友在我2006年去中国之后的短时间内修建整条高铁的效率。他们修建了813英里长的京沪高铁,像步枪枪管一样笔直,沿途还有那么多新火车站,那里的厅堂如此洁净——这一切一共花了多长时间?两年!而两年的时间我们在HS2高铁上做了些什么?我们花了数亿英镑来进行各种规划、咨询,但没有铺下一根铁轨。

两年!

在我们庞大的基础设施建设工程中,这一段时间刚够用来进行第一次环境影响评价咨询会议。然后将会有许多影响评价和评判重申和上诉,规划调查和各种哈欠连篇的讨价还价舒适地持续上十年甚至更久的时间。这就是我们无法办到中国两年之内所做的事情的原因。

如果我们对于面对我国的基础设施建设需求还抱有一线希望的话,我们首先需要认识到问题的严重性——随着本世纪中叶英国将人口增长并超过8000万,我们需要从现在开始就用高效环保的方式规划大部分问题使他们有所居,提供它们生活需要的公共卫生与能源,而首先,我们要给予它们快速在国内经济发展地区间快速交通的能力。

There were quite a few amazing things about the high-speed train I took the other day in China. It went faster than the fastest Maserati ever made, and it shot through fields dotted with stooping straw-hatted peasants and it zoomed past high mountains and sprouting new cities and it emitted no more noise or vibration than a purring cat – but that wasn’t the truly extraordinary thing about the route.
It wasn’t the speed or the silence or the comfort or the supply of hot towels. It was the fact that our Chinese friends had built the whole darned thing since I had been there last, in 2006. They made the entire 813-mile track from Beijing to Shanghai, rifle-barrel straight, with umpteen gorgeous new marbled stations, with concourses so clean you could use them to gobble your dim sum – and how long did it take them? It took two years! Two years, amigos. That is how long we have already been gassing away about HS2, a period in which we have spent literally hundreds of millions of pounds on drawings and consultants and planning and what have you – and not laid so much as a rail.
Two years!

That is the kind of period we set aside, in our big infrastructure projects, for the first consultation on the environmental impact assessment. And then there will be the equalities impact assessments and the judicial reviews and the appeals and the planning inquiries and the whole spine-cracking yawnathon that will comfortably soak up a decade or more in which we fail to achieve what the Chinese have done in two years.

If we are to have any hope of meeting the infrastructure needs of this country we need first to recognise the severity of the problem – that with a population set to grow to about 80 million by the middle of the century, we need to plan now for the most effective and environmentally sensitive way of housing this population, of providing them with sanitation and power, and above all of enabling them to move speedily between the great wealth-creating zones of this country.

One way or the other, we are going to need HS2, and it is a total disgrace that the Labour Party is now playing politics with the scheme. They are shamelessly courting the sceptic vote – feigning support but unofficially signalling that a Labour government would pull the plug. Ed Balls has said that the case has yet to be made out – even though he went into the last election with HS2 in his manifesto.
Alistair Darling has said it is a “disaster”. Peter Mandelson now claims the whole thing was nothing but an electoral gimmick and should be junked. And you can see why Labour is so tempted, and why they have played this card. They have an economic credibility problem. They are going to have to persuade the electorate that they have some big and unexpected source of funding that will enable them to fulfil all their promises – to cut your fuel bills and plump your pension and subsidise the minimum wage – and the answer is always going to be HS2.

They can also see that the Tories are facing a revolt from those on the route, and from those who aren’t convinced that the scheme represents a good use of public money. Their objective is to make the project politically toxic with a drip, drip, drip of cold water, in a kind of chemical reaction: HS2 + H2O = H2SO4. They hope that continuing anxieties about noise and property prices will cost the Tories votes in key marginals. They are fomenting general hostility to the scheme, and, in particular, they are supporting those who say that investment in HS2 means diverting crucial spending from other parts of the railway network – and there I believe they are talking more nonsense than ever.

This was exactly the case that was made to me, more than five years ago, when the economic crash first happened and we were about to commit to spending £16 billion on Crossrail. It was mad, people said, to build a whole new railway under London when the rest of the Tube network was in urgent need of repair, when we were still using bakelite signalling on the District line and when funds were so desperately short. I remember a passionate denunciation of the scheme from one distinguished transport executive. “Why would you buy a shiny new car and park in front of the house, when the house is falling down?” he asked me.

Well, I think he was wrong then, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he agreed that he looks even more wrong now. We have not only got on with delivering Crossrail – absolutely vital to increase capacity on the London rail network. We have upgraded the Tube as well. We have cut delays by 40 per cent over the last five years, to pick a period entirely at random, and we are going on with a programme of improvements – with new signalling and automation – that will cut delays by a further 30 per cent.

It is now absolutely clear that this decision was right, because the population of London has risen by about half a million in the same period, and is likely to keep rising for the next couple of decades. Without these investments, our public transport system would have rapidly exploded with the strain. Britain has the potential to be the biggest economy in Europe, both in population and output, in our lifetimes; but we simply will not be able to cope, or to give business the platform it needs, if we fail to invest in infrastructure. We need a new supersewer under London, we need a new hub airport, and we need to increase our rail capacity.

There was a time when people like Peter Mandelson and Tony Blair would have recognised this. It is deeply regrettable that the current Labour Party leadership should be so opportunistic and short-sighted as to pussyfoot around about HS2. They are putting short-term tactics before the long-term needs of Britain, and they will not succeed. In 2015 the choice is going to be clear: between fool’s gold, and a Conservative programme for investment and long-term growth.

http://www.guancha.cn/Industry/2013_11_04_183251_2.shtml不久前刚刚访问中国的伦敦市长鲍里斯•约翰逊昨天在英国《每日电讯报》发表文章回忆自己在华乘坐高铁的经历,敦促英国国内早点就修建高铁计划达成共识。

英国政府2012年计划斥资327亿英镑修建一条连接伦敦、伯明翰及北部城市的高铁线路“HS2”。英国政府预计,一期工程“伦敦至伯明翰线”将于2026年建成,投资额约为170亿英镑,届时伦敦到伯明翰的时间将从1个半小时缩短到49分钟。二期工程“曼城、利兹及西斯罗机场延线”将于2033年落成。高速铁路建成后,可以节省民众和商务人士的时间成本,每年为英国节约上百亿英镑。英国也可以借此赶上世界发展高铁的潮流,避免被其他国家落在后面。


这一计划虽受到商界人士和工会的支持,但遭到沿线居民团体、地方议会以及环保组织的抗议,甚至包括威尔士事务大臣谢里尔•吉兰在内的政府官员也因为考虑到选民的反弹,对此计划颇有微词。遭到各方反对的高铁迟迟未能动工。这让鲍里斯•约翰逊感到不满,他在《每日电讯报》上发表文章称中国修建高铁的效率很高。

以下是鲍里斯•约翰逊在《每日电讯报》专栏上文章的节选翻译:

我在中国乘坐高铁的经历中有很多令人吃惊的事情,它的速度要比最快的马萨拉蒂跑车还要快,它飞驰在田野上,能看到戴着草帽的农民星星点点,它穿越高山,一座座新城由近而远。坐在车上的噪音或震动甚至没有一只猫咪发出的咕噜声来的巨大——但这还不是中国高铁最惊奇的地方。

令人惊讶的并不是高铁的速度、安静和舒适,而是我们的中国朋友在我2006年去中国之后的短时间内修建整条高铁的效率。他们修建了813英里长的京沪高铁,像步枪枪管一样笔直,沿途还有那么多新火车站,那里的厅堂如此洁净——这一切一共花了多长时间?两年!而两年的时间我们在HS2高铁上做了些什么?我们花了数亿英镑来进行各种规划、咨询,但没有铺下一根铁轨。

两年!

在我们庞大的基础设施建设工程中,这一段时间刚够用来进行第一次环境影响评价咨询会议。然后将会有许多影响评价和评判重申和上诉,规划调查和各种哈欠连篇的讨价还价舒适地持续上十年甚至更久的时间。这就是我们无法办到中国两年之内所做的事情的原因。

如果我们对于面对我国的基础设施建设需求还抱有一线希望的话,我们首先需要认识到问题的严重性——随着本世纪中叶英国将人口增长并超过8000万,我们需要从现在开始就用高效环保的方式规划大部分问题使他们有所居,提供它们生活需要的公共卫生与能源,而首先,我们要给予它们快速在国内经济发展地区间快速交通的能力。

There were quite a few amazing things about the high-speed train I took the other day in China. It went faster than the fastest Maserati ever made, and it shot through fields dotted with stooping straw-hatted peasants and it zoomed past high mountains and sprouting new cities and it emitted no more noise or vibration than a purring cat – but that wasn’t the truly extraordinary thing about the route.
It wasn’t the speed or the silence or the comfort or the supply of hot towels. It was the fact that our Chinese friends had built the whole darned thing since I had been there last, in 2006. They made the entire 813-mile track from Beijing to Shanghai, rifle-barrel straight, with umpteen gorgeous new marbled stations, with concourses so clean you could use them to gobble your dim sum – and how long did it take them? It took two years! Two years, amigos. That is how long we have already been gassing away about HS2, a period in which we have spent literally hundreds of millions of pounds on drawings and consultants and planning and what have you – and not laid so much as a rail.
Two years!

That is the kind of period we set aside, in our big infrastructure projects, for the first consultation on the environmental impact assessment. And then there will be the equalities impact assessments and the judicial reviews and the appeals and the planning inquiries and the whole spine-cracking yawnathon that will comfortably soak up a decade or more in which we fail to achieve what the Chinese have done in two years.

If we are to have any hope of meeting the infrastructure needs of this country we need first to recognise the severity of the problem – that with a population set to grow to about 80 million by the middle of the century, we need to plan now for the most effective and environmentally sensitive way of housing this population, of providing them with sanitation and power, and above all of enabling them to move speedily between the great wealth-creating zones of this country.

One way or the other, we are going to need HS2, and it is a total disgrace that the Labour Party is now playing politics with the scheme. They are shamelessly courting the sceptic vote – feigning support but unofficially signalling that a Labour government would pull the plug. Ed Balls has said that the case has yet to be made out – even though he went into the last election with HS2 in his manifesto.
Alistair Darling has said it is a “disaster”. Peter Mandelson now claims the whole thing was nothing but an electoral gimmick and should be junked. And you can see why Labour is so tempted, and why they have played this card. They have an economic credibility problem. They are going to have to persuade the electorate that they have some big and unexpected source of funding that will enable them to fulfil all their promises – to cut your fuel bills and plump your pension and subsidise the minimum wage – and the answer is always going to be HS2.

They can also see that the Tories are facing a revolt from those on the route, and from those who aren’t convinced that the scheme represents a good use of public money. Their objective is to make the project politically toxic with a drip, drip, drip of cold water, in a kind of chemical reaction: HS2 + H2O = H2SO4. They hope that continuing anxieties about noise and property prices will cost the Tories votes in key marginals. They are fomenting general hostility to the scheme, and, in particular, they are supporting those who say that investment in HS2 means diverting crucial spending from other parts of the railway network – and there I believe they are talking more nonsense than ever.

This was exactly the case that was made to me, more than five years ago, when the economic crash first happened and we were about to commit to spending £16 billion on Crossrail. It was mad, people said, to build a whole new railway under London when the rest of the Tube network was in urgent need of repair, when we were still using bakelite signalling on the District line and when funds were so desperately short. I remember a passionate denunciation of the scheme from one distinguished transport executive. “Why would you buy a shiny new car and park in front of the house, when the house is falling down?” he asked me.

Well, I think he was wrong then, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he agreed that he looks even more wrong now. We have not only got on with delivering Crossrail – absolutely vital to increase capacity on the London rail network. We have upgraded the Tube as well. We have cut delays by 40 per cent over the last five years, to pick a period entirely at random, and we are going on with a programme of improvements – with new signalling and automation – that will cut delays by a further 30 per cent.

It is now absolutely clear that this decision was right, because the population of London has risen by about half a million in the same period, and is likely to keep rising for the next couple of decades. Without these investments, our public transport system would have rapidly exploded with the strain. Britain has the potential to be the biggest economy in Europe, both in population and output, in our lifetimes; but we simply will not be able to cope, or to give business the platform it needs, if we fail to invest in infrastructure. We need a new supersewer under London, we need a new hub airport, and we need to increase our rail capacity.

There was a time when people like Peter Mandelson and Tony Blair would have recognised this. It is deeply regrettable that the current Labour Party leadership should be so opportunistic and short-sighted as to pussyfoot around about HS2. They are putting short-term tactics before the long-term needs of Britain, and they will not succeed. In 2015 the choice is going to be clear: between fool’s gold, and a Conservative programme for investment and long-term growth.

http://www.guancha.cn/Industry/2013_11_04_183251_2.shtml
我还能说什么呢?我只能说中国的高铁请慢点儿开,请等等英国的人民。
高铁对于英国的意义不是那么的大吧
环评?有时候我在想,饭都吃不上了的时候还会不会那么多环保人士……保护环境是应该的,可总感觉现在有些魔怔了……
可惜了京沪线的380。
英国要什么高铁,马上苏格兰就独立了
大圣归来 发表于 2013-11-4 17:54
环评?有时候我在想,饭都吃不上了的时候还会不会那么多环保人士……保护环境是应该的,可总感觉现在有些魔 ...
身边的空气质量水质量都这样了,还好意思说环保过分……
极端分子哪个领域都有,但要说环保对政策的影响度,目前国内还太不够
修高铁对保护环境有利啊。
身边的空气质量水质量都这样了,还好意思说环保过分……
极端分子哪个领域都有,但要说环保对政策的影响 ...
够是够了,可你挡不住坏和尚念歪经……
保护环境留给三体人吗?
为了从一个半小时缩短到49分钟,就准备花上千亿?疯了。
大圣归来 发表于 2013-11-4 17:54
环评?有时候我在想,饭都吃不上了的时候还会不会那么多环保人士……保护环境是应该的,可总感觉现在有些魔 ...
他们是想要保护环境还是借题发挥?
87448 发表于 2013-11-4 17:49
高铁对于英国的意义不是那么的大吧
还是很大的

从伦敦到纽卡斯尔

大概就是北京到济南

中国是170元

英国是120磅。。
神奇小飞机 发表于 2013-11-4 18:54
为了从一个半小时缩短到49分钟,就准备花上千亿?疯了。
90分钟缩短到49分钟,花个上千亿,从现在来看是很傻,但是如果从战争角度来看,几分钟就是能不能救命的关键了。中国未来不可能有大量的常备军如果某地有情况,从沿海地区调集部队过去,这速度就太慢了,或者在沿海某些城市遭到空袭,调集部队过去,那么这十几分钟就是关键了。说到底现在的钱就是只是信用的白条而已。
神奇小飞机 发表于 2013-11-4 18:54
为了从一个半小时缩短到49分钟,就准备花上千亿?疯了。
钱可以再印,但是时间,生命不能再印,从国家未来的战略出发,搞几条陆上的高速铁路,形成中欧高速铁路网,500公里的速度正好合适
这不是跟他们的带路党肱蜘茎蝇对着干吗?
花十年的时间,上百亿元就为了把两个城市之间的距离缩短半个小时?这值吗?
对英国这样的岛国来说,略嫌浪费。
onlylp 发表于 2013-11-4 19:24
花十年的时间,上百亿元就为了把两个城市之间的距离缩短半个小时?这值吗?
49分钟就是同城化了,怎么浪费了? 你可以自己去科普一下京津城际。
严谨的英国绅士也开始不淡定了?
伦敦至爱丁堡的高铁最好早建,关乎国运~
全球翻过来看过去,也就觉得暂时只有中国一家最适合大规模修高铁,

其实美国也挺适合的,但人家太霸气,直接坐飞机
小猫爱老鼠 发表于 2013-11-4 19:02
90分钟缩短到49分钟,花个上千亿,从现在来看是很傻,但是如果从战争角度来看,几分钟就是能不能救命的关 ...
沿海城市遭空袭,调一堆步兵过去……这是什么年代的思维啊,这么看待高铁就像拿步枪枪托砸人一样
大圣归来 发表于 2013-11-4 18:39
够是够了,可你挡不住坏和尚念歪经……
现在国内环境总体还在恶化过程中
这么多钱???请让中国人给你修。
  日本也是岛国,新干线搞了多少年了  ,出行效率还是很重要的, 这样上班住宅异地分开都行
关键是,乃们有钱么?
京沪高铁建造确实只花了2年,但之前的论证规划甚至争吵持续了近20年,中国的长处是一旦下决心,推进就不可阻挡,英国欠缺决心和执行力。
MachairodusXX 发表于 2013-11-4 18:27
身边的空气质量水质量都这样了,还好意思说环保过分……
极端分子哪个领域都有,但要说环保对政策的影响 ...
高铁大发展,减少了对公路交通和航空交通的依赖,大大减少了污染物的排放,同时高铁对能源的高效利用,还减少了同等运输量的碳排放。高铁在建设中,也考虑到了噪声和电磁辐射的污染,并采取了措施。最明显的例子,就是高铁在通过密集居民区时会减速。
伦敦市长为专制的高铁高举HKC?这不科学!
伦敦快点独立吧
MachairodusXX 发表于 2013-11-5 08:55
沿海城市遭空袭,调一堆步兵过去……这是什么年代的思维啊,这么看待高铁就像拿步枪枪托砸人一样
就目前来看如果要攻击,基本是以突袭为主,所以空军战斗机可以在后方机场起飞在交战区交战,至于支持其的装备就需要就近运到附近机场。毕竟现在不是民国,开战后,我方空军是可以保证局部地区的制空权。
沿海城市遭空袭,调一堆步兵过去……这是什么年代的思维啊,这么看待高铁就像拿步枪枪托砸人一样
你的思维一样跟不上时代 现代战争时间短强度高 流行的做法是在热点地区装备前置 人员快速到达齐装满员开打 高铁运兵快速安全 不管是砍人三板斧还是挨人三板斧 意义都很大
高铁确实不错,但是我怎么觉得伦敦市长有点脑补呢?“戴草帽的农民”,高铁沿线真能看到么?他坐高铁的时候都已经10月底了吧?
燃烧的音符 发表于 2013-11-5 15:09
高铁确实不错,但是我怎么觉得伦敦市长有点脑补呢?“戴草帽的农民”,高铁沿线真能看到么?他坐高铁的时候 ...
这是心里的潜意识

因为欧美的片子谈到中国的时候 经常是这个画面   最好配个锣响
京沈高铁环评4年了,还没出啦
神奇小飞机 发表于 2013-11-4 18:54
为了从一个半小时缩短到49分钟,就准备花上千亿?疯了。
他可能看中的是带来的就业和产业发展。英国那大点的地方,高铁真是浪费。
MachairodusXX 发表于 2013-11-5 08:57
现在国内环境总体还在恶化过程中
我的意见是不管恶化还是改善,其根本是要看清楚这种发展过程中产生的问题是否是可逆的,是否是与经济发展相协调。发展经济不能以破坏环境为代价,同样的,保护环境不能以破坏经济为代价,这是一个相辅相成的关系。
不一样的爱国者 发表于 2013-11-4 17:41
我还能说什么呢?我只能说中国的高铁请慢点儿开,请等等英国的人民。
我只能说,黑的漂亮!严重戳中俺的笑点。
87448 发表于 2013-11-4 17:49
高铁对于英国的意义不是那么的大吧
只要是国土面积不能建设全部超过500公里以上的高铁,都意义不大...

目前全世界只有中国具备500公里以上高铁的建设 运营 维护 经验...所以什么鬼子  法国  德国的高铁技术都是扯淡...已经很明显,全世界高铁就一个标准----中国标准...