消息人士:俄印联合开发第五代战机谈判进展顺利

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消息人士:俄印联合开发第五代战机谈判进展顺利
20:13 | 2013-07-15

俄新网RUSNEWS.CN莫斯科7月15日电 一名接近谈判进程的消息人士周一向俄新社透露,俄印就联合生产第五代战机签署一揽子协议的谈判进度没有出现任何偏差。

《印度时报》昨天援引该国国防部一名消息人士的话称,由于俄方抬高项目价格,对举行俄印第五代战机试验开发工作合同的签署推迟。

他说:“此类报道只是出于政治需要,而不是商业。项目对两国来说是双赢的,双方各投入一半资金,因此没有抬高价格和谈判进程放缓的说法。”

与此同时,据印度报纸的消息人士透露,第五代战机开发合同在2013至2014财年签署的机率非常小。他表示,双方将重新审议时间框架,同时国防部成立了技术专家和金融专家委员会,他们将对项目造价提高的论据充分性进行核实。

报纸写道,尽管与俄合同的签署出现拖延,印度暂时不会接受美国有关购买F-35“闪电II”战机的建议,因为大量资金已投入第五代战机项目,无论从金融角度,还是从组织技术保障角度来讲,印度都不能允许自己实施两项同类计划。

联合开发和生产第五代战机协议于2007年10月18日在莫斯科签署,这是俄印军事技术合作领域的最大规模联合项目。2010年12月,俄罗斯国防出口公司、苏霍伊公司和印度斯坦航空有限公司(Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)签署了拟定飞机技术设计草图的合同。

印度“前景多用途战机”以俄罗斯第五代战机“苏霍伊T-50”或经过印度空军结构加工的前线航空兵前景航空系统。起初印度国防部申请订购166架单座和48台双座机型,但后来决定只采购单座机型。http://rusnews.cn/eguoxinwen/eluosi_anquan/20130715/43814474.html

消息人士:俄印联合开发第五代战机谈判进展顺利
20:13 | 2013-07-15

俄新网RUSNEWS.CN莫斯科7月15日电 一名接近谈判进程的消息人士周一向俄新社透露,俄印就联合生产第五代战机签署一揽子协议的谈判进度没有出现任何偏差。

《印度时报》昨天援引该国国防部一名消息人士的话称,由于俄方抬高项目价格,对举行俄印第五代战机试验开发工作合同的签署推迟。

他说:“此类报道只是出于政治需要,而不是商业。项目对两国来说是双赢的,双方各投入一半资金,因此没有抬高价格和谈判进程放缓的说法。”

与此同时,据印度报纸的消息人士透露,第五代战机开发合同在2013至2014财年签署的机率非常小。他表示,双方将重新审议时间框架,同时国防部成立了技术专家和金融专家委员会,他们将对项目造价提高的论据充分性进行核实。

报纸写道,尽管与俄合同的签署出现拖延,印度暂时不会接受美国有关购买F-35“闪电II”战机的建议,因为大量资金已投入第五代战机项目,无论从金融角度,还是从组织技术保障角度来讲,印度都不能允许自己实施两项同类计划。

联合开发和生产第五代战机协议于2007年10月18日在莫斯科签署,这是俄印军事技术合作领域的最大规模联合项目。2010年12月,俄罗斯国防出口公司、苏霍伊公司和印度斯坦航空有限公司(Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)签署了拟定飞机技术设计草图的合同。

印度“前景多用途战机”以俄罗斯第五代战机“苏霍伊T-50”或经过印度空军结构加工的前线航空兵前景航空系统。起初印度国防部申请订购166架单座和48台双座机型,但后来决定只采购单座机型。
毛子又准备坑三哥了
为什么不买F-35?可以形成“高低搭配”嘛,你看兔子家都搭配了,三哥不搭配不就输给兔子了吗?
演绎霸气 发表于 2013-7-16 09:07
毛子又准备坑三哥了
你说反了吧,明明是三哥坑毛子。
T50将会是坠毁最多的四代,信不
毛子欢呼:忽悠阿三顺利
打冷灯 发表于 2013-7-16 09:15
为什么不买F-35?可以形成“高低搭配”嘛,你看兔子家都搭配了,三哥不搭配不就输给兔子了吗?
三哥有自己的AMCA
鹅毛又开始忽悠三哥!三哥那120架阵风咋样了!
htl 发表于 2013-7-16 09:17
你说反了吧,明明是三哥坑毛子。
T50将会是坠毁最多的四代,信不
如此甚好···  
penrhyn 发表于 2013-7-16 11:35
鹅毛又开始忽悠三哥!三哥那120架阵风咋样了!
亲是126架啊
三哥和毛熊又基情迸发了,继续马扁三哥银子,三哥不差钱
1个要钱 一个要回扣,没有根本矛盾 不顺利才怪
潜台词只有一句:阿三答应掏钱了。
这是必须的,双方都需要它顺利。
htl 发表于 2013-7-16 09:17
你说反了吧,明明是三哥坑毛子。
T50将会是坠毁最多的四代,信不
掉了三哥也是给钱的了,但是那个航妈。。。。你懂得


尽管与俄合同的签署出现拖延,却也能号称进展顺利,都“合作”了这么多年,合同都还没签署一份儿

来来来,看看三哥的原文:


http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1678651-1-2.html
俄国五代机成本上涨,印度五代机计划遇到障碍,但表示暂不考虑F-35

印度至今未与俄罗斯正式落实五代机开发合同(出一分钱的真金白银开发),但表示不考虑F-35。

印度想知道成色如何,必须花数亿美元买3架原型机回印度测试。

要想订购量产型,以后还要给俄罗斯110/2=55亿美元的设计费用,这还是目前预定的研发成本,上涨是必然的,只是幅度问题

眼下,类似于”阵风“遇到的情况,印度没钱将采购(开发)项目落实,又表示不会考虑替代机型,虽然2010年与俄罗在一份价值2.95亿美元的FGFA(印度版T-50)”计划“上签了名,但直到今年都没有付款,自然也没有启动(根据之前合同,印度本应在2013财年开始启动50印度版FGFA的研制,但目前看不大可能。)

印度最早给俄罗斯画的350亿美元大饼还只是存在于纸面上,而且大饼已经小一圈了——印度空军已决定将第五代战斗机(Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft,FGFA)的购买数量调整为144架单座型机,而不是之前确定的214多架(印度空军最早宣布计划购买214架FGFA,其中166架单座型,48架双座型)。

5th-generation fighter plan hits hurdle as Russia hikes cost

NEW DELHI: India's biggest defence project in the making, the critical joint development of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia, has flown into some rough weather.

Defence ministry sources said the inking of the final design and R&D contract for the stealth fighter has been hit by a huge delay, with Russia also jacking up costs for the futuristic project. "It's very unlikely the FGFA final design contract will be concluded in the 2013-2014 fiscal," said a source.

This contract was to be inked in 2012 as per the then revised timeline after completion of the preliminary design contract (PD C) phase. India will eventually end up spending close to $35 billion over the next two decades to induct over 200 such "swing-role" fighters.

The plan till last year was that India would begin inducting the FGFA from 2022 onwards, with IAF test pilots getting three prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for trials at the Hindustan Aeronautics manufacturing facility at Ozar.

"The timeframes will now have to be revised. MoD has established a committee of specialists and finance officials to verify the rise in costs. An internal contract negotiation committee is also in progress," said the source.

But India remains firm about rejecting the US offer for joining its Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or the F-35 'Lightning-II' programme. "A lot of money and time has been invested in the FGFA with Russia. India simply cannot afford two FGFAs, both financially as well as logistically" he said.

The 18-month PDC worth $295 million for the FGFA with Russia was inked in December 2010, under which Indian designers and scientists have even been stationed in Russia to work out the blueprints and documentation for the fighter.

Though the Indian "perspective multi-role fighter" will be based on the Russian single-seat FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA, which now has four prototypes flying, it will be tweaked to IAF requirements. IAF had initially pitched for 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat fighters but will go for only single-cockpit jets now to reduce costs as well as protect stealth features.

The final design contract now being negotiated was pegged at $11 billion, with India and Russia sharing $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up at Ozar, prototype development and flight testing. Each fighter was to cost over $100 million.

IAF is quite confident the T-50 will meet its future requirements. Apart from ultra-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, the FGFA will carry its weapons inside the fuselage to lower its radar signature. With a cruising speed of Mach 1.7 to 1.8, it has both long-range strike and high-endurance air defence capabilities.

IAF is currently making do with just 34 fighter squadrons (each has 14 to 18 jets) despite needing at least 44 to keep both Pakistan and China at bay. It's banking upon the ongoing induction of 270 Russian Sukhoi-30MKIs for around $12 billion as well as the early inking of the almost $20 billion project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters to plug operational gaps till the FGFA becomes a reality.

尽管与俄合同的签署出现拖延,却也能号称进展顺利,都“合作”了这么多年,合同都还没签署一份儿

来来来,看看三哥的原文:


http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1678651-1-2.html
俄国五代机成本上涨,印度五代机计划遇到障碍,但表示暂不考虑F-35

印度至今未与俄罗斯正式落实五代机开发合同(出一分钱的真金白银开发),但表示不考虑F-35。

印度想知道成色如何,必须花数亿美元买3架原型机回印度测试。

要想订购量产型,以后还要给俄罗斯110/2=55亿美元的设计费用,这还是目前预定的研发成本,上涨是必然的,只是幅度问题

眼下,类似于”阵风“遇到的情况,印度没钱将采购(开发)项目落实,又表示不会考虑替代机型,虽然2010年与俄罗在一份价值2.95亿美元的FGFA(印度版T-50)”计划“上签了名,但直到今年都没有付款,自然也没有启动(根据之前合同,印度本应在2013财年开始启动50印度版FGFA的研制,但目前看不大可能。)

印度最早给俄罗斯画的350亿美元大饼还只是存在于纸面上,而且大饼已经小一圈了——印度空军已决定将第五代战斗机(Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft,FGFA)的购买数量调整为144架单座型机,而不是之前确定的214多架(印度空军最早宣布计划购买214架FGFA,其中166架单座型,48架双座型)。

5th-generation fighter plan hits hurdle as Russia hikes cost

NEW DELHI: India's biggest defence project in the making, the critical joint development of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia, has flown into some rough weather.

Defence ministry sources said the inking of the final design and R&D contract for the stealth fighter has been hit by a huge delay, with Russia also jacking up costs for the futuristic project. "It's very unlikely the FGFA final design contract will be concluded in the 2013-2014 fiscal," said a source.

This contract was to be inked in 2012 as per the then revised timeline after completion of the preliminary design contract (PD C) phase. India will eventually end up spending close to $35 billion over the next two decades to induct over 200 such "swing-role" fighters.

The plan till last year was that India would begin inducting the FGFA from 2022 onwards, with IAF test pilots getting three prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for trials at the Hindustan Aeronautics manufacturing facility at Ozar.

"The timeframes will now have to be revised. MoD has established a committee of specialists and finance officials to verify the rise in costs. An internal contract negotiation committee is also in progress," said the source.

But India remains firm about rejecting the US offer for joining its Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or the F-35 'Lightning-II' programme. "A lot of money and time has been invested in the FGFA with Russia. India simply cannot afford two FGFAs, both financially as well as logistically" he said.

The 18-month PDC worth $295 million for the FGFA with Russia was inked in December 2010, under which Indian designers and scientists have even been stationed in Russia to work out the blueprints and documentation for the fighter.

Though the Indian "perspective multi-role fighter" will be based on the Russian single-seat FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA, which now has four prototypes flying, it will be tweaked to IAF requirements. IAF had initially pitched for 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat fighters but will go for only single-cockpit jets now to reduce costs as well as protect stealth features.

The final design contract now being negotiated was pegged at $11 billion, with India and Russia sharing $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up at Ozar, prototype development and flight testing. Each fighter was to cost over $100 million.

IAF is quite confident the T-50 will meet its future requirements. Apart from ultra-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, the FGFA will carry its weapons inside the fuselage to lower its radar signature. With a cruising speed of Mach 1.7 to 1.8, it has both long-range strike and high-endurance air defence capabilities.

IAF is currently making do with just 34 fighter squadrons (each has 14 to 18 jets) despite needing at least 44 to keep both Pakistan and China at bay. It's banking upon the ongoing induction of 270 Russian Sukhoi-30MKIs for around $12 billion as well as the early inking of the almost $20 billion project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters to plug operational gaps till the FGFA becomes a reality.
两国忽悠了世界人民这么多年,还是个谈判顺利