兔子的巨浪2跟俄毛的布拉瓦有得一比？

我们跟人家不一样8000勉强够得着，必须要11000

都是陆弹上舰
陆弹水平也差不多
不过我国弹头分配器没搞定……所以多弹头能力目前都是虚的

亚洲滴联邦 发表于 2013-7-14 22:27
我们跟人家不一样8000勉强够得着，必须要11000

我国的潜艇的发射阵地原来在西北内陆……

不敢相信  人家老毛子都潜射都发展了好几代了 几十年前早就形成可靠的水下核威慑了  我们了 ？到现在还不具备吧   所以洗洗睡吧  

对自己不了解的东西能不能不要胡说。TG的DF-5B首飞是在2006年，08年发射环境1A/B用的就是智能分配器（一次和平机会展示MIRV能力）

百臂巨人 发表于 2013-7-15 00:48
都是陆弹上舰
陆弹水平也差不多
不过我国弹头分配器没搞定……所以多弹头能力目前都是虚的

对自己不了解的东西能不能不要胡说。TG的DF-5B首飞是在2006年，08年发射环境1A/B用的就是智能分配器（一次和平机会展示MIRV能力）

巴士海峡对TG很重要！

昨天刚看到两个贴子，一个说布拉瓦重量是45吨，
另一个贴子是说俄方有什么装备都要拿出来广而告之兼吹捧一翻
其实看看布拉瓦，具体性能什么的很多都是不公布的哦

看来还是一些网友对俄罗斯的偏见比较深吧

百臂巨人 发表于 2013-7-15 00:49
我国的潜艇的发射阵地原来在西北内陆……

8000公里的话，你以为发射阵地设在哪里比较好呢？

呵呵，你完美解决了这个问题，一定会得到嘉奖的

百臂巨人 发表于 2013-7-15 00:49
我国的潜艇的发射阵地原来在西北内陆……
如果JL-2射程8000km的话，从渤海湾发射，能打到阿拉斯加和夏威夷。但由于那里海水深度不够，所以未来JL-2的预设发射阵地可能会在第一岛链以外的太平洋里。如果要打击MD大陆的大部分目标，则要到千岛群岛以东的北太，或夏威夷群岛以西的中太。
其实出了第一岛链，导弹射程就不怎么重要了，因为核潜艇可以自由潜航于深海之中。呵呵

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-15 10:31
如果JL-2射程8000km的话，从渤海湾发射，能打到阿拉斯加和夏威夷。但由于那里海水深度不够，所以未来JL-2 ...
094核潜艇估计还是在南海区域巡航。出岛链去太平洋，各种反潜来抓，有一定危险性。
可能是这样：南海巡航，巨浪2弹头数较少，射程11000km，够得到美国西海岸。

vvvtnt 发表于 2013-7-15 10:35
094核潜艇估计还是在南海区域巡航。出岛链去太平洋，各种反潜来抓，有一定危险性。
可能是这样：南海巡 ...
徐光裕少将已经证实094会前出第一岛链以外。

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-15 10:42
徐光裕少将已经证实094会前出第一岛链以外。
会不会出岛链的时候被盯上？
总感觉大洋巡航是096+巨浪3的事情

核潜这东西只能猜猜，真实的情况外界机会不可能知道！

百臂巨人 发表于 2013-7-15 00:48
都是陆弹上舰
陆弹水平也差不多
不过我国弹头分配器没搞定……所以多弹头能力目前都是虚的
额。。。。。。最后一句是高级黑吗？

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-15 10:42
徐光裕少将已经证实094会前出第一岛链以外。

这个，事关国家最高机密呀，
他怎么会公开说出来呢？

百度一下吧，我认为像他这样的专家不会在电视上随便说的。
战略核潜艇都在国土之外执行任务
　　徐光裕表示，战略核潜艇是国家军事战略制衡的手段，战略核潜艇执行任务基本都在国土之外，最近也是在近海。像我国家执行战略导弹战备巡逻任务，应该在第一岛链之外，因为它所携带的导弹射程从8000到12000公里，只有进入第一岛链之外，它的威慑能力才能起到作用。

YmzgD 发表于 2013-7-15 12:02
这个，事关国家最高机密呀，
他怎么会公开说出来呢？

百度一下吧，我认为像他这样的专家不会在电视上随便说的。
战略核潜艇都在国土之外执行任务
　　徐光裕表示，战略核潜艇是国家军事战略制衡的手段，战略核潜艇执行任务基本都在国土之外，最近也是在近海。像我国家执行战略导弹战备巡逻任务，应该在第一岛链之外，因为它所携带的导弹射程从8000到12000公里，只有进入第一岛链之外，它的威慑能力才能起到作用。

必须是第一岛链之外 岛链内潜深不够 黑鱼发挥不了优势

至于出岛链 黑鱼一般在局势恶化之前就开始出海 如果确认战争爆发 就下潜等待发射命令

没那么容易抓的

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-15 14:44
百度一下吧，我认为像他这样的专家不会在电视上随便说的。
战略核潜艇都在国土之外执行任务
　　徐光 ...

哦，“应该”
这么说也没错，呵呵

所以说8000公里，“应该”也是够了
当然，再远一点就更好了

YmzgD 发表于 2013-7-15 17:15
哦，“应该”
这么说也没错，呵呵
将来土鳖SSBN出第一岛链应该是常态。。。。前提是有3-4个航母战斗群打掩护。。。。

QGP 发表于 2013-7-15 02:04
巴士海峡对TG很重要！
航母战斗群对土鳖的SSBN至关重要。。。

shinobi4587 发表于 2013-7-15 18:13
将来土鳖SSBN出第一岛链应该是常态。。。。前提是有3-4个航母战斗群打掩护。。。。

那个好象很贵的，
要是有4个航母群，运行费用还是蛮贵的

JL2在没在海上试验就YY，要实事求是啊伙计

叽叽喳喳叫 发表于 2013-7-15 21:03
JL2在没在海上试验就YY，要实事求是啊伙计
先把人话说清楚

楼上楼下 发表于 2013-7-15 15:58
必须是第一岛链之外 岛链内潜深不够 黑鱼发挥不了优势

至于出岛链 黑鱼一般在局势恶化之前就开始出海 如 ...
你当老美的SSN是吃素的啊，老美的SSN对敌对国家的SSBN都是一对一防守的。

starsea 发表于 2013-7-15 22:11
你当老美的SSN是吃素的啊，老美的SSN对敌对国家的SSBN都是一对一防守的。

你说得很有道理呀，
看来真不需要再建SSBN了，
美D的SSN数量明显比一般国家的SSBN多呢

一对一又怎么样？怕了吗？你当TG的水面舰艇、潜艇、高新机吃素的啊！还有我朝众多的渔船和海上民兵，用渔网都能网住MD的SSN。

starsea 发表于 2013-7-15 22:11
你当老美的SSN是吃素的啊，老美的SSN对敌对国家的SSBN都是一对一防守的。

一对一又怎么样？怕了吗？你当TG的水面舰艇、潜艇、高新机吃素的啊！还有我朝众多的渔船和海上民兵，用渔网都能网住MD的SSN。

YmzgD 发表于 2013-7-15 22:30
你说得很有道理呀，
看来真不需要再建SSBN了，
美D的SSN数量明显比一般国家的SSBN多呢

看你一副水性的样，血性到哪去了？你说这些话让别人都替你脸红。我还是第一次在CD上看到这种人。

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-15 23:36
看你一副水性的样，血性到哪去了？你说这些话让别人都替你脸红。我还是第一次在CD上看到这种人。

我觉得我说的是反话呀，
咋这么隐蔽么》？

YmzgD 发表于 2013-7-15 23:56
我觉得我说的是反话呀，
咋这么隐蔽么》？
如果是我误解了，我收回我的话。

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-16 17:50
如果是我误解了，我收回我的话。

没事，大家该建不还是建么，
现在水下核力量已经得到大多数，甚至是绝大多数的核大国的重视哦

共谍NASIC最新报告：
3.JL-2的射程估计从7200+km下降到7000+km.
4.不认为JL-2是分导式多弹头.

能否给个报告原文的链接？这说不过去，东风31甲的射程达11200+km，而同期研制的巨浪-2会只有7000+km，还是单弹头？根据已知资料，巨浪-2相比较东风31甲，前者的一级发动机壳体采用芳纶纤维复合材料，比后者更轻。

笑脸男人 发表于 2013-7-16 18:57
共谍NASIC最新报告：
3.JL-2的射程估计从7200+km下降到7000+km.
4.不认为JL-2是分导式多弹头.

能否给个报告原文的链接？这说不过去，东风31甲的射程达11200+km，而同期研制的巨浪-2会只有7000+km，还是单弹头？根据已知资料，巨浪-2相比较东风31甲，前者的一级发动机壳体采用芳纶纤维复合材料，比后者更轻。

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-16 20:27
能否给个报告原文的链接？这说不过去，东风31甲的射程达11200+km，而同期研制的巨浪-2会只有7000+km， ...
http://liuqiankktt.blog.163.com/ ... 211201361231451584/

http://blogs.fas.org/security/2013/07/nasic2013/

China

The NASIC report states that the Chinese ballistic missile force is expanding both in size and types of missiles.

Deployment of the DF-31A (CSS-10 Mod 2) ICBM continues at a slow pace with “more than 15” launchers deployed six years after the system was first introduced.

Despite many rumors about a new DF-41 ICBM, the NASIC report does not mention this system at all.

Deployment of the shorter-range DF-31 (CSS-10 Mod 1) ICBM, on the contrary, appears to have stalled or paused, with only 5-10 launchers deployed seven years after it was initially introduced (see my recent analysis of this trend here). Moreover, the range of the DF-31 is lowered a bit, from 7,200+ km in the 2009 report to 7,000+ in the new version.

Medium-range nuclear missiles include the DF-21 (CSS-5) (in two versions: Mod 1 and Mod 2, but with identical range etc.) and the old DF-3A (CSS-2), which is still listed as deployed. Only 5-10 launchers are left, probably in a single brigade that will probably convert to DF-21 in the near future.

An important new development concerns conventional missiles, where the NASIC report states that several new systems have been introduced or are in development. This includes a “number of new mobile, conventionally armed MRBMs,” apparently in addition to the DF-21C and DF-21D already known. As for the DF-21D anti-ship missile, report states that “China has likely started to deploy” the missile but that it is “unknown” how many are deployed.

More dramatic is the development on five new short-range ballistic missiles, including the CSS-9, CSS-11, CSS-14, CSS-X-15, and CSS-X-16. The CSS-9 and CSS-14 come in different versions with different ranges. The CSS-11 Mod 1 is a modification of the existing DF-11, but with a range of over 800 kilometers (500 miles). None of these systems are listed as nuclear-capable.

Concerning sea-based nuclear forces, the NASIC report echoes the DOD report by saying that the JL-2 SLBM for the new Jin-class SSBN is not yet operational. The JL-2 is designated as CSS-NX-14, which I thought it was a typo in the 2009 report, as opposed to the CSS-NX-3 for the JL-1 (which is also not operational).

NASIC concludes that JL-2 “will, for the first time, allow Chinese SSBNs to target portions of the United States from operating areas located near the Chinese coast.” That is true for Guam and Alaska, but not for Hawaii and the continental United States. Moreover, like the DF-31, the JL-2 range estimate is lowered from 7,200+ km in the 2009 report to 7,000+ km in the new version. Earlier intelligence estimates had the range as high as 8,000+ km.

One of the surprises (perhaps) in the new report is that it does not list the CJ-20 air-launched cruise missile, which was listed in the U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command briefing as a nuclear cruise missile that had been “fielded” within the past five years.

Concerning the overall size of the Chinese nuclear arsenal, there have been many rumors that it includes hundreds or even thousands of additional warheads more than the 250 we estimate. STRATCOM commander has also rejected these rumors. To that end, the NASIC report lists all Chinese nuclear missiles with one warhead each, despite widespread rumors in the news media and among some analysts that multiple warheads are deployed on some missiles.

Yet the report does echo a projection made by the annual DOD report, that “China may also be developing a new road-mobile ICBM capable of carrying a MIRV payload.” But NASIC does not confirm widespread news media rumors that this system is the DF-41 – in fact, the report doesn’t even mention the DF-41 as in development.

As for the future, the NASIC report repeats the often-heard prediction that “the number of warheads on Chinese ICBMs capable of threatening the United States is expected to grow to well over 100 in the next 15 years.” This projection has continued to slip and NASIC slips it a bit further into the future to 2028.

Pakistan

Most of the information about the Pakistani system pretty much fits what we have been reporting. The only real surprise is that the Shaheen-II MRBM does still not appear to be fully deployed, even though the system has been flight tested six times since 2010. The report states that “this missile system probably will soon be deployed.”

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-16 20:27
能否给个报告原文的链接？这说不过去，东风31甲的射程达11200+km，而同期研制的巨浪-2会只有7000+km， ...

http://blogs.fas.org/security/2013/07/nasic2013/

China

The NASIC report states that the Chinese ballistic missile force is expanding both in size and types of missiles.

Deployment of the DF-31A (CSS-10 Mod 2) ICBM continues at a slow pace with “more than 15” launchers deployed six years after the system was first introduced.

Despite many rumors about a new DF-41 ICBM, the NASIC report does not mention this system at all.

Deployment of the shorter-range DF-31 (CSS-10 Mod 1) ICBM, on the contrary, appears to have stalled or paused, with only 5-10 launchers deployed seven years after it was initially introduced (see my recent analysis of this trend here). Moreover, the range of the DF-31 is lowered a bit, from 7,200+ km in the 2009 report to 7,000+ in the new version.

Medium-range nuclear missiles include the DF-21 (CSS-5) (in two versions: Mod 1 and Mod 2, but with identical range etc.) and the old DF-3A (CSS-2), which is still listed as deployed. Only 5-10 launchers are left, probably in a single brigade that will probably convert to DF-21 in the near future.

An important new development concerns conventional missiles, where the NASIC report states that several new systems have been introduced or are in development. This includes a “number of new mobile, conventionally armed MRBMs,” apparently in addition to the DF-21C and DF-21D already known. As for the DF-21D anti-ship missile, report states that “China has likely started to deploy” the missile but that it is “unknown” how many are deployed.

More dramatic is the development on five new short-range ballistic missiles, including the CSS-9, CSS-11, CSS-14, CSS-X-15, and CSS-X-16. The CSS-9 and CSS-14 come in different versions with different ranges. The CSS-11 Mod 1 is a modification of the existing DF-11, but with a range of over 800 kilometers (500 miles). None of these systems are listed as nuclear-capable.

Concerning sea-based nuclear forces, the NASIC report echoes the DOD report by saying that the JL-2 SLBM for the new Jin-class SSBN is not yet operational. The JL-2 is designated as CSS-NX-14, which I thought it was a typo in the 2009 report, as opposed to the CSS-NX-3 for the JL-1 (which is also not operational).

NASIC concludes that JL-2 “will, for the first time, allow Chinese SSBNs to target portions of the United States from operating areas located near the Chinese coast.” That is true for Guam and Alaska, but not for Hawaii and the continental United States. Moreover, like the DF-31, the JL-2 range estimate is lowered from 7,200+ km in the 2009 report to 7,000+ km in the new version. Earlier intelligence estimates had the range as high as 8,000+ km.

One of the surprises (perhaps) in the new report is that it does not list the CJ-20 air-launched cruise missile, which was listed in the U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command briefing as a nuclear cruise missile that had been “fielded” within the past five years.

Concerning the overall size of the Chinese nuclear arsenal, there have been many rumors that it includes hundreds or even thousands of additional warheads more than the 250 we estimate. STRATCOM commander has also rejected these rumors. To that end, the NASIC report lists all Chinese nuclear missiles with one warhead each, despite widespread rumors in the news media and among some analysts that multiple warheads are deployed on some missiles.

Yet the report does echo a projection made by the annual DOD report, that “China may also be developing a new road-mobile ICBM capable of carrying a MIRV payload.” But NASIC does not confirm widespread news media rumors that this system is the DF-41 – in fact, the report doesn’t even mention the DF-41 as in development.

As for the future, the NASIC report repeats the often-heard prediction that “the number of warheads on Chinese ICBMs capable of threatening the United States is expected to grow to well over 100 in the next 15 years.” This projection has continued to slip and NASIC slips it a bit further into the future to 2028.

Pakistan

Most of the information about the Pakistani system pretty much fits what we have been reporting. The only real surprise is that the Shaheen-II MRBM does still not appear to be fully deployed, even though the system has been flight tested six times since 2010. The report states that “this missile system probably will soon be deployed.”

笑脸男人 发表于 2013-7-16 18:57
共谍NASIC最新报告：
3.JL-2的射程估计从7200+km下降到7000+km.
4.不认为JL-2是分导式多弹头.
看样子未来一段时期内还是得靠二炮死扛

笑脸男人 发表于 2013-7-16 21:34
http://blogs.fas.org/security/2013/07/nasic2013/

China

MD对自己掌握的兔子的导弹情况还很不自信，在射程上添个“+”，好给以后发现出错了留个余地。
如果真如他们说的，JL-2在近海发射只能打击关岛和阿拉斯加，那么也不差区区200km，只要094前出到太平洋，就算JL-2的射程只有7000km，也能打击MD国内的大部分目标。
MD几次对自己估计的JL-2的射程、服役时间等做出修改，不排除是种心理战，借此来减轻JL-2服役所带来的冲击。

所以说NASIC是共谍，他们这么搞完全是欺骗国会和美国人民

MD就等着被10000+的JL2抽脸吧

zjia78 发表于 2013-7-16 23:32
MD对自己掌握的兔子的导弹情况还很不自信，在射程上添个“+”，好给以后发现出错了留个余地。
如 ...

所以说NASIC是共谍，他们这么搞完全是欺骗国会和美国人民

MD就等着被10000+的JL2抽脸吧

笑脸男人 发表于 2013-7-16 23:34
所以说NASIC是共谍，他们这么搞完全是欺骗国会和美国人民

MD就等着被10000+的JL2抽脸吧
JL-2的射程如超过10000km，那么就可能不会是多弹头了。

我总觉得毛子的液体燃料发动机技术世界一流，我们的JL2虽然不错，但是比毛子应该还是有差距。并非是电子方面，应该差距在工科上。