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原文地址:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/teen-jailed-facebook-comment-justin-carter-suicide-watch_n_3542770.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
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Justin Carter, Teen Jailed For Facebook Comment, ReportedlyOn Suicide Watch
一少年由于在Facebook上发表一条评论而被捕,据传他在狱中自杀。







    Justin Carter, the Texasteen jailed over a sarcastic Facebook comment, is reportedly on suicide watch.

    "He's very depressed, very scared, and ... concerned that he's not goingto get out," Carter's father, Jack, said in an interview with CNN Tuesday."He's pretty much lost all hope.“

    Carter, 19, was arrested in February of this year following an argument he hadon Facebook regarding "League of Legends," an online video game.

    "[S]omeone had said something to the effect of 'Oh you're insane, you'recrazy, you're messed up in the head,’" Jack recalled to ABC affiliate KVUEin an earlier interview. "To which [Justin] replied 'Oh yeah, I'm realmessed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eattheir still, beating hearts,’ and the next two lines were 'lol and jk' [allsic]."

    Despite the teen's insistence of "lol" and "jk" -- internetshorthand for "laughing out loud" and "just kidding,"respectively -- a woman who came across the comment on Facebook failed to seethe humor. She alerted police after realizing Carter lived near an elementaryschool. On February 13, a judge authorized a search warrant. A warrant forCarter's arrest came one week later, reports WPTV.


    Given recent school-related violence, the threat was taken seriously, meaningCarter has been charged with making a "terroristic threat," a felonythat carries up to an eight-year prison sentence. His bail: $500,000, reportsNPR, an amount his family can't pay, thus keeping him behind bars.

    "Without getting into the really nasty details, he's had concussions,black eyes, moved four times from base for his own protection," Jackelaborated on Justin's current condition in jail. "He's been put insolitary confinement, nude, for days on end because he's depressed. All of thisis extremely traumatic to this kid. This is a horrible experience."







    Justin Carter,一名德州小伙由于在Facebook上发表了一条恐吓言论而入狱,据传这位小伙在狱中自杀。

    他情绪很低落,非常恐慌...鉴于此他不被允许释放,”周二,Carter的父亲Jack,在接受CNN采访时说道,“他几乎完全没了希望。

    Carter是一名19岁的小伙,由于在今年2月发表了一条关于“英雄联盟”的评论而被捕。

    “游戏里另一位玩家对他说了些什么,大概意思是‘你小子真心疯了’之类的,”Jack早些时候在接受采访时说道,“然后Justin回复道‘没错,哥就是疯了,哥现在恨不得立马去找个满是小孩的学校,开枪射死他们,然后生吃他们的心脏’。接着他补了两个词‘lol’和‘jk’”

    尽管这小伙子坚持这只是个玩笑—“lol”和“jk”都是网络词汇,分别表示“laughingout loud”(大笑)和“justkidding”(只是玩笑)--但是,当一位不明真相的女士看到这条评论时,她似乎没能理解这种幽默.当她了解到Carter家隔壁真的有个小学学校时,她当时就报警了。最终Carter于2月13被告知他已遭逮捕。

    鉴于最近校园暴力情势严峻,该威胁受到慎重对待,Carter的这一行为被控以“恐怖主义威胁”的重罪,并将面临8年的牢狱之灾。由于保释金高达50万美元,他的家庭无力承担,他将身陷囹圄



    “一些细节先不提,我知道他有了脑震荡,黑眼圈,曾被四次更换专属囚室。”Jack在提及Justin的狱中情况是说到,“他被单独监禁,由于心理压力很大,他时常整天裸体呆在囚室里。极端的痛苦压在我孩子身上,这是一段很可怕的经历。”







评论

All the horror movie producers should be jailedtoo. They can write and produce such horrible things but a 19 year old is putin jail over a sarcastic comment? Whoa..


这么说来,所有有着恐怖主义成分的电影的制片人,不都应该被关起来吗?他们能在剧本里写上一堆恐怖的事然后拍出来,但是一个19岁的少年却只因为一条恐吓评论而进监狱,卧槽








This is ridiculous. Let this poor kid go.Everyone on social media makes sarcastic comments like these, sometimes eventhreats. Are we going to arrest everyone?? It is the Internet!

这太可笑了,放过那个穷小伙吧,现代媒体笼罩下的每一个人都差不多有这样的评论,有些人甚至达到威胁的程度了,那又如何,难道要逮捕我们每一个人吗??这是网络嘛?







All because of some offended female whocouldn't take a joke.

全是那些连一句玩笑话都不能忍受的愤怒女人们的错。







He absolutely should not be in jail.... hang onkid...

他完全没理由进监狱的,坚持住孩子。







This is disgusting. The worst part is it is notall that unusual. And as long as prosecutors have absolute immunity, it willkeep happening over and over again.

这真令人厌恶,最糟的事在于,这个事例其实很具有普遍性,如果检察官的绝对豁免权还继续保持着,那他们就能接着这样不负责任地乱来,这样的悲剧会一次次重演。









So who decided that the extrajudicialpunishment calculated to make the kid as suicidal as possible was a good idea?

是谁制订了这些法外的惩罚?这些惩罚导致一个孩子自杀,这能算得上一个好主意吗?









Honestly--he should not spend eight years inJail BUT these types of threats are not okay to make and are never funny, Theboy should poor judgement. After incidents like the Sandy Shook Shootingleaving so many dead its not okay to suggest you will be going to a school andshooting it up. How is anyone suppose to know you are kidding? What if thecomment was ignored and he went and shot up a school? People do need to learnthat it is not okay and I can guarantee he wont be joking about it anymore.


老实说—他不应被关八年,但是,这种恐吓不但影响恶劣,也很无聊。这个小鬼大概是个判断力低下的家伙。例如制造了大量死伤的sandy hock小学枪击案,在这么多恶性枪击案发生后,还暗示自己将前往小学校园进行枪击,这种行为的影响很很糟糕。你怎么能保证每个人都能理解你是在开玩笑呢?再说了,万一这评论被忽视,然后这小子真的去枪击了怎么办。人们做什么事之前应该好好想想,不过我估计他再也不会开这种玩笑了。









Of course they are notfunny, but poor judgement shouldn't land someone in jail..



这种恐吓当然很无聊,但是判断力不佳不该成为进入监狱的罪名。









This society is crumbling down. They want verystrict, even severe law and order so that millions of our citizens are sittingin prison and now they are going after the kids. Since prisons are now for-profitof their cronies, this makes perfect sense I suppose.



这个社会正在崩溃,他们试图用严刑峻法统治我们,数以百万计的我国居民正困在监狱里,而现在,轮到孩子们了。监狱早已沦为他们亲信牟利的地方,他们就是靠着这手段维持着这盛世局面。









WOW- you're right. I forgot about all the forprofit prisons. I wonder if he is in one?

你说的不错,我忘记了这些都是为了给监狱牟利,我在想这孩子是否也是受害者之一。









Meanwhile, they openly say that the verypowerful must be above the law... very openly say that they can't jail say theHSBC people because they can cause trouble if they are punished and that willnever do. One person cited the Nixon pardon by Ford as the beginning of the"powerful people are above the law because it's easier" opinionbecoming openly respectable.


同时,他们公开宣称,强权应凌驾于法律,他们公开宣称不能惩戒汇丰的洗钱行为,因为汇丰有钱有势,惩罚它们将引来大麻烦。有个人开了这样的先河,那就是赦免了尼克松的福特总统,“强权者凌驾于法律,因为这是能轻松做到的事。”,他令这种观点变得公开而可敬。









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnz99usCQZQ
The jail he is in is like gitmo, only in texas
Watch this vid to find out more.


这监狱和关塔那摩监狱唯一的区别就在于,这监狱在德州,看看这视频你可以发现很多









Can anyone thank the administration forexpanding the NDAA? Look up Chris Hedges on the topic. As well as Of course themost famous case of this type of behavior. Brandon Raub and the RutherfordInstitute.


有谁会去感谢全国地区检察官协会的这种,出于扩张自身影响的管理呢?去看看那条关于Chris Hedges的头条吧。还有那些比较出名的相关新闻,比如Brandon  Raub和Rutherford  Institute。(注,Brandon  Raub,前美军海军陆战队士兵,因在Facebook发表反政府论而被捕。相关:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/brandon-j-raub-marine-detained_n_1817484.html。Rutherford  Institute,美国一个公民自由人权保护协会。相关:https://www.rutherford.org/about/)










They did the same thing to Branden Raub. TheRutherford Institute has been working on this issue for well over a year now.


他们对Brandon  Raub做了同样的事,Rutherford  Institute为了处理这件事已经花了一年多时间了。










We do not have free speech anymore, God bless America.

我们其实压根没有言论自由,上帝保佑美国。









You are right. And no common sense, either!

LS你说的不错,同时你也显得自己很没常识。









Sure we do. Ask him. He said what he wanted tosay. It was cute.

我们的确没有言论自由,不过问一下LSS,你说了自己想说的不是吗。你真逗。









I do hope he is able to sue all theirresponsible parties here. The prosecutor & sheriff need to be recalled orat least voted out of office for this travesty.

我希望他能站出来起诉这群不负责任的家伙。这样子乱来,检察长和治安官都应该被罢免,或者至少也应该被踢出办公室。









say thank you NDAA

快对全国地区检察官协会的大老爷们表示感谢。









...and that stupid woman too.

那个蠢女人也应被起诉。









This pretty much happened to me yesterday.

Keizer Police woke me up, told me how someonetold them I was making anti-government, mass shooting threats online. Whilesimultaneously telling me they read them themselves, and knew I didn't threatenanyone. But they felt they had to harass me anyway.
Because someone I don't even know decidedtheir military training as a cannon crewman... Taught them the inner works ofthe human mind, and labeled me a threat!
This country is circling the drain. Itsturning into prove yourself innocent, not prove them guilty.


这就像昨天发生在我身上的事,基泽市的警察弄醒了我,告诉我有人告知他们,我在网上散布反政府和无差别枪击预告信息。同时告诉我,当他们读了那些信息之后,他们知道我没有威胁任何人,但是他们总觉得应该来骚扰我一下。似乎是因为某个我甚至不认识的人,擅自决定我将被训练为一个射手,并对我洗脑,让我成为一个威胁!这个国家正在螺旋下降,这个国家变得,每一个人都需要证明自己无罪,而不去证明犯罪者的罪行。










Why is no one in the news pointing out onebig question, in fact the first question that came to my mind--- HOW did thewoman know (ahem, "realize" as they put it in this story) that thiskid lives near an elementary school? Addresses are not public on facebook,therefore she would have to do some digging to find out where this kid lives...To me, that means she had it out for this kid. Who was she? Just some randomperson? Was she "friends" with the kid on Facebook?



I've had to explain to people (especiallyon HP) what "LOL" and "JK" mean, as well as the definitionsof words like "sarcasm" and "irony" and "joke"and "humor"... some people are just too serious to be on theinternet. It's wrong for this teen to be in jail over something that is A)obviously facetious and B) covered under freedom of speech.



But then again, vampires and zombies areall the rage right now... he may be a ZIT (zombie in training) muahahahahah! JK



喂喂,这有个很大的槽点为何无人吐槽?在这件事里,那个女人是怎么知道那个年轻人住在小学旁边的?Facebook上个人信息并不不公开,这女人是怎样挖出这孩子的信息的?这女人究竟何许人也?只是个普通围观群众?还是这孩子的某个博友?

必须对大众解释清楚什么是LOL和JK,同时也要界定“嘲讽”、“讽刺”“笑话”“幽默”的明确定义。总有人在网上太严格,这个少年和言论自由的关系,并不是非黑即白的关系。

  不过话说回来,现在吸血鬼和丧尸这么流行,他或许是个被训练中的丧尸,哈哈,开玩笑的了。









actually I agree with almost all of which youmentioned..except covered under free speech ...I agree it sounds as though theboy was kidding...and I am not saying otherwise...my point to you is thatthreatening to harm people is not a freedom anyone in america enjoys...thatpart of free speech is a myth...if you tell someone you want to kill them in athreatening way and a witness is there or a police official you could becharged with a felony depending on which state you live in...I mean threateningfolks is not cool
back to this boy...notice how the articlefails to mention what they turned up in the search? they requested a warrantand then arrested him after the alleged search...I assume they found more thanan lol and a jk message



我基本同意你说的观点,LS,除了言论自由那部分,我同意这听起来好像是那个男孩子在开玩笑,我没有异议。我的观点是,发布将要伤害他人的恐吓,这并不是美国人所享受的自由之一,言论自由被部分神化了。如果你恐吓别人,说要杀掉他,在有证人和警察的情况下,你将被控以重罪,这取决与威胁者当时的状态,我的意思是,他在威胁时是否是冷静的。









you are wrong. there was a case here in Ohio that went to thesupreme Court, which ruled in 1969 that the government cannot punishinflammatory speech, unless that speech is directly linked to incitement orcauses incitement. Soooooo, what school got shot up and the shooter atechildren's hearts? NONE. Violation of 1st Amendment rights of this kid. Is thisNazi Germany?In a free society you have to allow stupid remarks as much as smart ones, muchas our corporate and government masters do not like it. IT'S THE LAW. If anyonecan't tell the difference between sarcasm and genuine threat, they should notbe in law enforcement.

你错了LSS,举个例子,俄亥俄州最高法院在1969年裁定,除非你的言论直接导致动乱,否则政府不应处罚煽动言论者,所以呢,什么学校被枪击?什么孩子的心脏被生吃?没有。这孩子并未违反第一修正案的权利。这里是纳粹德国吗?这里是皿煮国家,在这里应当能包容愚蠢的言论就像能包容智慧的言论一样,就算这些言论不讨大企业主和政府的喜欢。这就是法律。有谁对于此有异议么?

原文地址:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/teen-jailed-facebook-comment-justin-carter-suicide-watch_n_3542770.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com原文标题:Justin Carter, Teen Jailed For Facebook Comment, Reportedly On Suicide Watch
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Justin Carter, Teen Jailed For Facebook Comment, ReportedlyOn Suicide Watch
一少年由于在Facebook上发表一条评论而被捕,据传他在狱中自杀。







    Justin Carter, the Texasteen jailed over a sarcastic Facebook comment, is reportedly on suicide watch.

    "He's very depressed, very scared, and ... concerned that he's not goingto get out," Carter's father, Jack, said in an interview with CNN Tuesday."He's pretty much lost all hope.“

    Carter, 19, was arrested in February of this year following an argument he hadon Facebook regarding "League of Legends," an online video game.

    "[S]omeone had said something to the effect of 'Oh you're insane, you'recrazy, you're messed up in the head,’" Jack recalled to ABC affiliate KVUEin an earlier interview. "To which [Justin] replied 'Oh yeah, I'm realmessed up in the head, I'm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eattheir still, beating hearts,’ and the next two lines were 'lol and jk' [allsic]."

    Despite the teen's insistence of "lol" and "jk" -- internetshorthand for "laughing out loud" and "just kidding,"respectively -- a woman who came across the comment on Facebook failed to seethe humor. She alerted police after realizing Carter lived near an elementaryschool. On February 13, a judge authorized a search warrant. A warrant forCarter's arrest came one week later, reports WPTV.


    Given recent school-related violence, the threat was taken seriously, meaningCarter has been charged with making a "terroristic threat," a felonythat carries up to an eight-year prison sentence. His bail: $500,000, reportsNPR, an amount his family can't pay, thus keeping him behind bars.

    "Without getting into the really nasty details, he's had concussions,black eyes, moved four times from base for his own protection," Jackelaborated on Justin's current condition in jail. "He's been put insolitary confinement, nude, for days on end because he's depressed. All of thisis extremely traumatic to this kid. This is a horrible experience."







    Justin Carter,一名德州小伙由于在Facebook上发表了一条恐吓言论而入狱,据传这位小伙在狱中自杀。

    他情绪很低落,非常恐慌...鉴于此他不被允许释放,”周二,Carter的父亲Jack,在接受CNN采访时说道,“他几乎完全没了希望。

    Carter是一名19岁的小伙,由于在今年2月发表了一条关于“英雄联盟”的评论而被捕。

    “游戏里另一位玩家对他说了些什么,大概意思是‘你小子真心疯了’之类的,”Jack早些时候在接受采访时说道,“然后Justin回复道‘没错,哥就是疯了,哥现在恨不得立马去找个满是小孩的学校,开枪射死他们,然后生吃他们的心脏’。接着他补了两个词‘lol’和‘jk’”

    尽管这小伙子坚持这只是个玩笑—“lol”和“jk”都是网络词汇,分别表示“laughingout loud”(大笑)和“justkidding”(只是玩笑)--但是,当一位不明真相的女士看到这条评论时,她似乎没能理解这种幽默.当她了解到Carter家隔壁真的有个小学学校时,她当时就报警了。最终Carter于2月13被告知他已遭逮捕。

    鉴于最近校园暴力情势严峻,该威胁受到慎重对待,Carter的这一行为被控以“恐怖主义威胁”的重罪,并将面临8年的牢狱之灾。由于保释金高达50万美元,他的家庭无力承担,他将身陷囹圄



    “一些细节先不提,我知道他有了脑震荡,黑眼圈,曾被四次更换专属囚室。”Jack在提及Justin的狱中情况是说到,“他被单独监禁,由于心理压力很大,他时常整天裸体呆在囚室里。极端的痛苦压在我孩子身上,这是一段很可怕的经历。”







评论

All the horror movie producers should be jailedtoo. They can write and produce such horrible things but a 19 year old is putin jail over a sarcastic comment? Whoa..


这么说来,所有有着恐怖主义成分的电影的制片人,不都应该被关起来吗?他们能在剧本里写上一堆恐怖的事然后拍出来,但是一个19岁的少年却只因为一条恐吓评论而进监狱,卧槽








This is ridiculous. Let this poor kid go.Everyone on social media makes sarcastic comments like these, sometimes eventhreats. Are we going to arrest everyone?? It is the Internet!

这太可笑了,放过那个穷小伙吧,现代媒体笼罩下的每一个人都差不多有这样的评论,有些人甚至达到威胁的程度了,那又如何,难道要逮捕我们每一个人吗??这是网络嘛?







All because of some offended female whocouldn't take a joke.

全是那些连一句玩笑话都不能忍受的愤怒女人们的错。







He absolutely should not be in jail.... hang onkid...

他完全没理由进监狱的,坚持住孩子。







This is disgusting. The worst part is it is notall that unusual. And as long as prosecutors have absolute immunity, it willkeep happening over and over again.

这真令人厌恶,最糟的事在于,这个事例其实很具有普遍性,如果检察官的绝对豁免权还继续保持着,那他们就能接着这样不负责任地乱来,这样的悲剧会一次次重演。









So who decided that the extrajudicialpunishment calculated to make the kid as suicidal as possible was a good idea?

是谁制订了这些法外的惩罚?这些惩罚导致一个孩子自杀,这能算得上一个好主意吗?









Honestly--he should not spend eight years inJail BUT these types of threats are not okay to make and are never funny, Theboy should poor judgement. After incidents like the Sandy Shook Shootingleaving so many dead its not okay to suggest you will be going to a school andshooting it up. How is anyone suppose to know you are kidding? What if thecomment was ignored and he went and shot up a school? People do need to learnthat it is not okay and I can guarantee he wont be joking about it anymore.


老实说—他不应被关八年,但是,这种恐吓不但影响恶劣,也很无聊。这个小鬼大概是个判断力低下的家伙。例如制造了大量死伤的sandy hock小学枪击案,在这么多恶性枪击案发生后,还暗示自己将前往小学校园进行枪击,这种行为的影响很很糟糕。你怎么能保证每个人都能理解你是在开玩笑呢?再说了,万一这评论被忽视,然后这小子真的去枪击了怎么办。人们做什么事之前应该好好想想,不过我估计他再也不会开这种玩笑了。









Of course they are notfunny, but poor judgement shouldn't land someone in jail..



这种恐吓当然很无聊,但是判断力不佳不该成为进入监狱的罪名。









This society is crumbling down. They want verystrict, even severe law and order so that millions of our citizens are sittingin prison and now they are going after the kids. Since prisons are now for-profitof their cronies, this makes perfect sense I suppose.



这个社会正在崩溃,他们试图用严刑峻法统治我们,数以百万计的我国居民正困在监狱里,而现在,轮到孩子们了。监狱早已沦为他们亲信牟利的地方,他们就是靠着这手段维持着这盛世局面。









WOW- you're right. I forgot about all the forprofit prisons. I wonder if he is in one?

你说的不错,我忘记了这些都是为了给监狱牟利,我在想这孩子是否也是受害者之一。









Meanwhile, they openly say that the verypowerful must be above the law... very openly say that they can't jail say theHSBC people because they can cause trouble if they are punished and that willnever do. One person cited the Nixon pardon by Ford as the beginning of the"powerful people are above the law because it's easier" opinionbecoming openly respectable.


同时,他们公开宣称,强权应凌驾于法律,他们公开宣称不能惩戒汇丰的洗钱行为,因为汇丰有钱有势,惩罚它们将引来大麻烦。有个人开了这样的先河,那就是赦免了尼克松的福特总统,“强权者凌驾于法律,因为这是能轻松做到的事。”,他令这种观点变得公开而可敬。









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnz99usCQZQ
The jail he is in is like gitmo, only in texas
Watch this vid to find out more.


这监狱和关塔那摩监狱唯一的区别就在于,这监狱在德州,看看这视频你可以发现很多









Can anyone thank the administration forexpanding the NDAA? Look up Chris Hedges on the topic. As well as Of course themost famous case of this type of behavior. Brandon Raub and the RutherfordInstitute.


有谁会去感谢全国地区检察官协会的这种,出于扩张自身影响的管理呢?去看看那条关于Chris Hedges的头条吧。还有那些比较出名的相关新闻,比如Brandon  Raub和Rutherford  Institute。(注,Brandon  Raub,前美军海军陆战队士兵,因在Facebook发表反政府论而被捕。相关:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/brandon-j-raub-marine-detained_n_1817484.html。Rutherford  Institute,美国一个公民自由人权保护协会。相关:https://www.rutherford.org/about/)










They did the same thing to Branden Raub. TheRutherford Institute has been working on this issue for well over a year now.


他们对Brandon  Raub做了同样的事,Rutherford  Institute为了处理这件事已经花了一年多时间了。










We do not have free speech anymore, God bless America.

我们其实压根没有言论自由,上帝保佑美国。









You are right. And no common sense, either!

LS你说的不错,同时你也显得自己很没常识。









Sure we do. Ask him. He said what he wanted tosay. It was cute.

我们的确没有言论自由,不过问一下LSS,你说了自己想说的不是吗。你真逗。









I do hope he is able to sue all theirresponsible parties here. The prosecutor & sheriff need to be recalled orat least voted out of office for this travesty.

我希望他能站出来起诉这群不负责任的家伙。这样子乱来,检察长和治安官都应该被罢免,或者至少也应该被踢出办公室。









say thank you NDAA

快对全国地区检察官协会的大老爷们表示感谢。









...and that stupid woman too.

那个蠢女人也应被起诉。









This pretty much happened to me yesterday.

Keizer Police woke me up, told me how someonetold them I was making anti-government, mass shooting threats online. Whilesimultaneously telling me they read them themselves, and knew I didn't threatenanyone. But they felt they had to harass me anyway.
Because someone I don't even know decidedtheir military training as a cannon crewman... Taught them the inner works ofthe human mind, and labeled me a threat!
This country is circling the drain. Itsturning into prove yourself innocent, not prove them guilty.


这就像昨天发生在我身上的事,基泽市的警察弄醒了我,告诉我有人告知他们,我在网上散布反政府和无差别枪击预告信息。同时告诉我,当他们读了那些信息之后,他们知道我没有威胁任何人,但是他们总觉得应该来骚扰我一下。似乎是因为某个我甚至不认识的人,擅自决定我将被训练为一个射手,并对我洗脑,让我成为一个威胁!这个国家正在螺旋下降,这个国家变得,每一个人都需要证明自己无罪,而不去证明犯罪者的罪行。










Why is no one in the news pointing out onebig question, in fact the first question that came to my mind--- HOW did thewoman know (ahem, "realize" as they put it in this story) that thiskid lives near an elementary school? Addresses are not public on facebook,therefore she would have to do some digging to find out where this kid lives...To me, that means she had it out for this kid. Who was she? Just some randomperson? Was she "friends" with the kid on Facebook?



I've had to explain to people (especiallyon HP) what "LOL" and "JK" mean, as well as the definitionsof words like "sarcasm" and "irony" and "joke"and "humor"... some people are just too serious to be on theinternet. It's wrong for this teen to be in jail over something that is A)obviously facetious and B) covered under freedom of speech.



But then again, vampires and zombies areall the rage right now... he may be a ZIT (zombie in training) muahahahahah! JK



喂喂,这有个很大的槽点为何无人吐槽?在这件事里,那个女人是怎么知道那个年轻人住在小学旁边的?Facebook上个人信息并不不公开,这女人是怎样挖出这孩子的信息的?这女人究竟何许人也?只是个普通围观群众?还是这孩子的某个博友?

必须对大众解释清楚什么是LOL和JK,同时也要界定“嘲讽”、“讽刺”“笑话”“幽默”的明确定义。总有人在网上太严格,这个少年和言论自由的关系,并不是非黑即白的关系。

  不过话说回来,现在吸血鬼和丧尸这么流行,他或许是个被训练中的丧尸,哈哈,开玩笑的了。









actually I agree with almost all of which youmentioned..except covered under free speech ...I agree it sounds as though theboy was kidding...and I am not saying otherwise...my point to you is thatthreatening to harm people is not a freedom anyone in america enjoys...thatpart of free speech is a myth...if you tell someone you want to kill them in athreatening way and a witness is there or a police official you could becharged with a felony depending on which state you live in...I mean threateningfolks is not cool
back to this boy...notice how the articlefails to mention what they turned up in the search? they requested a warrantand then arrested him after the alleged search...I assume they found more thanan lol and a jk message



我基本同意你说的观点,LS,除了言论自由那部分,我同意这听起来好像是那个男孩子在开玩笑,我没有异议。我的观点是,发布将要伤害他人的恐吓,这并不是美国人所享受的自由之一,言论自由被部分神化了。如果你恐吓别人,说要杀掉他,在有证人和警察的情况下,你将被控以重罪,这取决与威胁者当时的状态,我的意思是,他在威胁时是否是冷静的。









you are wrong. there was a case here in Ohio that went to thesupreme Court, which ruled in 1969 that the government cannot punishinflammatory speech, unless that speech is directly linked to incitement orcauses incitement. Soooooo, what school got shot up and the shooter atechildren's hearts? NONE. Violation of 1st Amendment rights of this kid. Is thisNazi Germany?In a free society you have to allow stupid remarks as much as smart ones, muchas our corporate and government masters do not like it. IT'S THE LAW. If anyonecan't tell the difference between sarcasm and genuine threat, they should notbe in law enforcement.

你错了LSS,举个例子,俄亥俄州最高法院在1969年裁定,除非你的言论直接导致动乱,否则政府不应处罚煽动言论者,所以呢,什么学校被枪击?什么孩子的心脏被生吃?没有。这孩子并未违反第一修正案的权利。这里是纳粹德国吗?这里是皿煮国家,在这里应当能包容愚蠢的言论就像能包容智慧的言论一样,就算这些言论不讨大企业主和政府的喜欢。这就是法律。有谁对于此有异议么?

还好还好

这哟是兔子 能被公母猪喷死!!!!!!
涉嫌钓鱼吧!不过现在貌似鱼儿都精了!
突然想起那个某少年威胁要自杀结果被警方狙击手一枪给爆头的事了

手中有枪+情绪不稳定=威胁他人安全=可射杀目标

应该就是这么种逻辑
美国本来就是世界上严刑峻法程度最高的国家,监狱人口比重也是世界之冠,超过大多数国家XX倍的,不奇怪
http://www.56.com/u46/v_OTMyNTk1MzE.html#fromoutpvid=OTMyNTk1MzE


言论自由,强烈要求言论自由
No9527 发表于 2013-7-7 21:25
突然想起那个某少年威胁要自杀结果被警方狙击手一枪给爆头的事了

手中有枪+情绪不稳定=威胁他人安全=可 ...
教义说了:自杀会下地狱,所以哥是帮你上天堂……
不由得让哥想起伦敦奥运会,某个英伦小子因为在twitter上对大阴蒂国的“国民英雄”戴利说了一句“你让你的父亲蒙羞”而被查水表,然后逮捕……
果然是同种同文啊!
谁去把这个扔微博上钓一下GZ
按照这个标准,网易要被抓一半以上。
言论自由,谁的言论自由?这是一个问题,说道这里我不禁陷入了沉思:这个国家还是我们的吗?当棱镜哥被全球通缉,当Justin Carter在狱中自杀,我只能说言论自由是权贵们的言论自由,不是我们普通人的言论自由!当权贵们在享受言论自由和网络带来的便捷的同时,在离他们不远的地方,还有吃不起饭的乞丐,还有在养老院终老的老人,还有付不起房产税被赶出家门的平民,还有在监狱里下冤死的孩子。。。这个社会怎么了???

德州一少年因网上开玩笑被捕入狱,或以自杀。
求共知洗地
龙腾上有个网友的评论总结的很到位。

美国是这样的一个国家:对上层阶级,是无罪推定;对下层阶级:是有罪推定。估计是学习了常公凯申的“宁可杀错一千,决不放过一个”
到底楼主认为该不该抓呢?
远走不高飞 发表于 2013-7-7 21:49
言论自由,谁的言论自由?这是一个问题,说道这里我不禁陷入了沉思:这个国家还是我们的吗?当棱镜哥被全球 ...
接一个五毛版本的
先不要急着评论,这个事儿的真实性如何谁能保证?不造谣不传谣,这谁报道的?什么时候报道的?当地政府承认了没有?有没有夹带私货?LZ你取这个标题什么意思?
啥?是真的?那我们要从法律、社会、家庭、教育、道德、人性等各个方面进行深入分析,这孩子为什么要这么说?他这么说是不是有心理阴影,这是不是网络游戏暴力犯罪的又一例证,玩个游戏就说出这种话他妥妥的有激情犯罪的可能性,有关部门逮捕他还是有道理的。
至于自杀,没有事实证明他的自杀是受到虐待导致的嘛,是不是自身心理承受能力不行?为什么同监狱的都没事儿就他自杀?其父语焉不详,如果真有证据说明其心理出现严重问题,为什么当时不报检查机关及时制止?换了四次囚室怎么可能还这样?犯罪嫌疑人心理问题导致的自杀难道还是看守所的错!?


我看事件经过时第一反应就是对那个举报人的深深怀疑,尼玛分明就是棱镜的节奏嘛!

这有个很大的槽点为何无人吐槽?在这件事里,那个女人是怎么知道那个年轻人住在小学旁边的?Facebook上个人信息并不不公开,这女人是怎样挖出这孩子的信息的?这女人究竟何许人也?只是个普通围观群众?还是这孩子的某个博友?

我看事件经过时第一反应就是对那个举报人的深深怀疑,尼玛分明就是棱镜的节奏嘛!

这有个很大的槽点为何无人吐槽?在这件事里,那个女人是怎么知道那个年轻人住在小学旁边的?Facebook上个人信息并不不公开,这女人是怎样挖出这孩子的信息的?这女人究竟何许人也?只是个普通围观群众?还是这孩子的某个博友?
需要审讯,若真的只是发泄,那就社会劳动,没必要进监狱。
欧美法律繁琐,很多莫名奇妙的条文规定。。。
请个律师就过去了,再说这个小城市的人文化水准有限,出这么个事已经钻牛角尖了。
这孩子真傻, 不知道自己活在最伟大最自由最民主最法制最人道罪普世的国家么?
gersen 发表于 2013-7-7 22:00
到底楼主认为该不该抓呢?
这个问题你该去问公知!
gersen 发表于 2013-7-7 22:00
到底楼主认为该不该抓呢?
到底楼上的认为这孩子是在国内而该不该抓呢?
这算是装B装到死了吧
不知道他在监狱中被爆菊痛殴的时候心中有没有蛋蛋的装B
这孩子应该在新浪微博上面发,就安全了。
这个事以后可以当打脸的材料了
revolutionary 发表于 2013-7-7 22:14
这个问题你该去问公知!
看来楼主自己也说不清楚了.
按照这个标准,网易要被抓一半以上。
以前网易还能看看,现在一看就恶心得想吐了。
所以就算按这标准,网易也不会被抓。
因为去取证的哥们都被恶心成工伤住院了。
哪个德州?山东德州?这个题材要挨喷啊!
rage010 发表于 2013-7-7 21:43
谁去把这个扔微博上钓一下GZ
GZJY马上会大骂山东德州警方看守所黑暗无人权
y2zc 发表于 2013-7-7 22:16
到底楼上的认为这孩子是在国内而该不该抓呢?
难道楼主讲的是你的"国内"?
Justin Carter, the Texasteen jailed over a sarcastic Facebook comment, is reportedly on suicide watch.

suicide watch 是看守所为预防嫌疑人自杀而采取的防范性监控而已,谁告诉你他自杀了?
gersen 发表于 2013-7-7 22:19
看来楼主自己也说不清楚了.
你不是要替主子洗地吗,所以我让你去问你的同类。如果你们回答不该,那你们就领不到美分;如果你们回答该,那你们在中国的网上的所作所为,是不是也该像这个人一样呢!
gersen 发表于 2013-7-7 22:24
难道楼主讲的是你的"国内"?
我知道你想洗地
所以我问问你如果这个孩子在中国的网上说了这话该不该抓
逆天笑 发表于 2013-7-7 21:31
美国本来就是世界上严刑峻法程度最高的国家,监狱人口比重也是世界之冠,超过大多数国家XX倍的,不奇怪
美国监狱私有化程度很高
当往事遇上风 发表于 2013-7-7 21:50
德州一少年因网上开玩笑被捕入狱,或以自杀。
大山东躺枪了
banlang 发表于 2013-7-7 22:09
我看事件经过时第一反应就是对那个举报人的深深怀疑,尼玛分明是棱镜的节奏嘛这有个很大的槽点为何无人吐槽 ...
真相帝啊
这充分说明某国人民生活在恐惧中,才会这么敏感
gersen 发表于 2013-7-7 22:19
看来楼主自己也说不清楚了.
尼玛,你的智商还真是无法恭维呀,这么句话的意思都理解不清楚,害我打了那么多字给你解释,现在应该清楚了吧!