TG雷达被厄瓜多尔退货了？

被证实了吗？毛子的话不可靠

不会用就说不会用，何必说雷达不工作！还是种香蕉去吧！

注意，这是蛾霉的报道

超级巨嘴鸟，无力吐槽。。。
如果我没记错，这两款雷达是巴铁的主力，反应很不错的，应该是厄尔多瓜不会用。

不会是把核心数据搞到手，然后倒打一耙吧

也可能是无法适应湿热环境，这和中亚干旱环境有天壤之别。

重点是全额退款加900万美元赔偿，这投资回报率杠杠的。

呀咩嗲……哦吔 发表于 2013-5-16 23:17
也可能是无法适应湿热环境，这和中亚干旱环境有天壤之别。
还是希望有进一步可靠的报道吧！毛子的话真心感觉不靠谱！
如果真是无法正常工作，还是希望可以调查清楚原因！

不兼容么？

呀咩嗲……哦吔 发表于 2013-5-16 23:17
也可能是无法适应湿热环境，这和中亚干旱环境有天壤之别。
绝对不可能，中国什么气候的地方没有，这种雷达研发时就会要求进行各种环境的试验，如果不过关会被列装吗？

我考虑厄瓜多尔当时买来想应急，现在形势变了，它觉得多花了钱想赖账，就像斯里兰卡那时一样，搞定猛虎后把剩余武器退了。

厄方买的不止是雷达，而是整个防空预警和指控系统。但国内军贸公司是分别与各单位订的合同，由军贸公司在厄国集成。可是，牵线搭桥的哪有技术力量做系统集成？于是表现出来的是雷达不好用。

Ecuador's China-made radars out of operation on Colombian border.
BBC Monitoring International Reports | November 24, 2011 | Copyright

Text of report by Ecuadoran newspaper El Universo website on 21 November
[El Universo report: "Radars on border with colombia stopped working six months ago."]
The Chinese radar systems that arrived on loan for controlling airspace along the border with Colombia stopped working around six months ago, military sources have revealed off the record.
The equipment arrived in Ecuador in 2010 on a temporary basis until the Chinese company Electronic Technology Group Corporation (CETC), from which the Ecuadoran Air Force (FAE) purchased four radar systems at a cost of $60 million, concludes manufacturing those purchased by the FAE.
Despite purchasing the radar systems for controlling airspace on the northern border being considered a priority within the plan for restoring the Armed Forces' operational capacity after the 2008 Angostura attack, the equipment does not work and Ecuador finds itself as vulnerable to possible aerial attack as it was three years ago.
The purchase of the Chinese radar systems was questioned by a group of companies that presented bids after these were requested by the now-defunct National Defence Board.
On 1 December 2008 the FAE's Contracting Subcommittee called a second bidding round after declaring the first one void. On 19 December, with a favourable report from that subcommittee, the contract was awarded to China's CETC. Bids were received from seven companies.
On 23 December this year, seven days before President Rafael Correa decreed the Defence Board's disappearance, that organization authorized the purchase.
The adjudication was questioned for alleged irregularities. According to the specifications for bids, the radar systems were supposed to meet basic requirements, such as being air cooled.
The CETC technical specifications for the radar systems sold to Ecuador (two long-range YLC-2V-3D systems and two Gap Filler YLC 18 systems) provided during the contract adjudication revealed that they are water cooled. Nevertheless the Contracting Subcommittee stated in the adjudication that the CETC did meet this requirement.
Questions were also raised about the fact that, according to the bidding requirements, systems had to have an operational ceiling of 12,000 feet; but CETC stated that the ceiling for its systems was 3,000 meters (9,990 feet).
Oswaldo Jarrin, former chief of Joint Command and former defence minister, stated that Ecuador's airspace is obviously currently unprotected without these radar systems; and that therefore an investigation is needed into "why radars are being sent that are of no use and why contract conditions are not being met."
He called it a very important Armed Forces investment that should be clarified administratively and financially. However, he felt that at this time the main priority for the Armed Forces is to prevent Colombian guerrillas infiltrating by land.
First implementation
The air-defence system was first implemented in January 2006 in response to Colombia constantly violating Ecuador's airspace in order to bomb the FARC. It was implemented by then Defence Minister Oswaldo Jarrin after a meeting with his Colombian counterpart Camilo Ospin.
Angostura attack
Jorge Gabela, the deceased former commander of the FAE, blamed the Armed Forces' lack of reaction to the Angostura attack on the shaky state of the radar systems and the fact than on the morning of 1 March 2008 they had been turned off.
Criticisms of adjudication
The adjudication of the radar purchase to China's CETC has been questioned. Company spokesman Juan Carlos Guerra said in January 2009 that he was not authorized to make statements and that any concerns had to be expressed to the company's headquarters in Asia.
Source: El Universo website, Guayaquil, in Spanish 21 Nov 11
BBC Monitoring

这算高级黑？

卡扎菲挂掉  南美还是有变动的

fiorro 发表于 2013-5-17 00:35
卡扎菲挂掉  南美还是有变动的
卡扎菲不是非洲的吗跟南美有啥关系？是不是委内瑞拉的查韦斯死了有影响？

sinc2000 发表于 2013-5-16 23:58
厄方买的不止是雷达，而是整个防空预警和指控系统。但国内军贸公司是分别与各单位订的合同，由军贸公司在厄 ...
如果是真的，那就是个大教训！

cqy 发表于 2013-5-17 00:47
如果是真的，那就是个大教训！

应该不会，这两款雷达在下记得已经是好几个单子了，小巴什么的。也应该是直接上的整个系统，使用良好。

一，毛子的报道真实性有待考证。
二，用户方的操作水平有待考证。
三，中方的培训工作有待检讨。

为啥这样的新闻总是娥眉在报道，其他媒体都死了吗！！？？？

sinc2000 发表于 2013-5-16 23:58
厄方买的不止是雷达，而是整个防空预警和指控系统。但国内军贸公司是分别与各单位订的合同，由军贸公司在厄 ...
如果消息为真的话，你这个说法最靠谱。

wj136921799 发表于 2013-5-17 02:47
为啥这样的新闻总是娥眉在报道，其他媒体都死了吗！！？？？
14楼不是贴了BBC的报导了，不是只有峨眉在报导，而是贴了西方媒体的报导大家更不信了，说“这是西方污蔑”所以就贴峨眉啦

教训深刻！看来销售与技术脱节的问题在军贸领域同样存在啊。。。

自己不会用

sinc2000 发表于 2013-5-16 23:58
厄方买的不止是雷达，而是整个防空预警和指控系统。但国内军贸公司是分别与各单位订的合同，由军贸公司在厄 ...
该军贸责任有限公司估计是和厄方高层一起骗钱，事先宣布破产，重新注册一家公司，把不能用的雷达拾掇拾掇再卖一遍！

毛子媒体还说过很多次   中国MBT2000坦克没有摩洛哥采购

其实

真是情况是  2008年  中国MBT2000出口摩洛哥合同签订

2013年已经开始交付了

wj136921799 发表于 2013-5-17 02:47
为啥这样的新闻总是娥眉在报道，其他媒体都死了吗！！？？？
娥眉在军工方面对兔子是心存嫉恨，时刻不忘黑一下，而国内对出口军售一直很隐晦。结果成了别人黑咱，咱更是灯下黑。

别灰心，美帝不是还买过咱家J7嘛！

从BBC的报道来看，厄瓜多尔那边的竞标出了问题………

StFrancesc 发表于 2013-5-17 10:17
从BBC的报道来看，厄瓜多尔那边的竞标出了问题………
BBC报道是2011年，现在已经2013年，峨眉这次算是新闻还算是旧闻呢？

wj136921799 发表于 2013-5-17 02:47
为啥这样的新闻总是娥眉在报道，其他媒体都死了吗！！？？？
你希望看到人民日报、cctv也会报道？

马儿快跑 发表于 2013-5-17 10:11
别灰心，美帝不是还买过咱家J7嘛！
80年代，买了20架壳子，回去自己配发动机，组成蓝军部队做对抗演习。

heaven621 发表于 2013-5-17 11:27
80年代，买了20架壳子，回去自己配发动机，组成蓝军部队做对抗演习。
20架壳子？发动机没那么好配，不是组装兼容电脑。

俄媒就是渣，su35都卖给偶们300架了

uller 发表于 2013-5-17 11:58
20架壳子？发动机没那么好配，不是组装兼容电脑。
呵呵，当时我恰好还在厂里。

搜索了一下，消息应该确实 。从厄瓜多尔时报网站上看，确有其事，而且是source flaws，胎里病。
http://www.ecuadortimes.net/2013/05/05/ecuador-rejects-chinese-radars/

影响市场形象了

雷达厂家还是得好好检讨检讨啊！

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