美英法三国讨论空袭叙利亚,俄罗斯束手无策,中国沉默不 ...

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纽约时报:美国,英国,法国三国正讨论对叙利亚空袭的具体措施和时间。



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Attacks Fuel Debate Over U.S.-Led Strikes

WASHINGTON — The apparent ease with which Israel struck missile sites and, by Syrian accounts, a major military research center near Damascus in recent days has stoked debate in Washington about whether American-led airstrikes are the logical next step to cripple President Bashar al-Assad’s ability to counter the rebel forces or use chemical weapons.

That option was already being debated in secret by the United States, Britain and France in the days leading to the Israeli strikes, according to American and foreign officials involved in the discussions. On Sunday, Senator John McCain, who has long advocated a much deeper American role in the Syrian civil war, argued that the Israeli attacks, at least one of which appears to have been launched from outside Syrian airspace, weakens the argument that Syria’s air defense system would be a major challenge.

“The Israelis seem to be able to penetrate it fairly easily,” Mr. McCain said on “Fox News Sunday.” He went on to say that the United States would be capable of disabling the Syrian air defenses on the ground “with cruise missiles, cratering their runways, where all of these supplies, by the way, from Iran and Russia are coming in by air.” Patriot missile batteries already installed in Turkey, he argued, could defend a safe zone to protect rebels and refugees.

The Pentagon developed such options months ago, but in recent weeks, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Central Command, which runs military operations in the Middle East, have been asked to refine them and explore how strikes would be coordinated with allies, much as they were in the opening days of the attacks on Libya that ultimately drove Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi from power, according to several senior administration officials.

But President Obama has been reluctant to follow the course he took in that case, aides say, partly because of concerns about the strength of air defenses in Syria and partly because the opposition forces include so many jihadist elements.

So far, Mr. Obama has said he would intervene only if it turned out that Syria had used chemical weapons — the current investigation into the use of sarin gas focuses on Aleppo and Damascus, the capital, in March — or if such use was imminent. Now, one adviser to Mr. Obama said, “it’s become pretty clear to everyone that Assad is calculating whether those weapons might save him.”

The result is that the narrow goal of preventing the use of chemical weapons is beginning to merge with the broader goals of toppling Mr. Assad and seeking an end to a carnage that is already far greater than what took place in Libya, when Mr. Obama justified American intervention on humanitarian grounds.

“We have to work even harder with our allies and the opposition to accelerate Assad’s exit while there is still a Syria to save,” William J. Burns, the deputy secretary of state, said at a symposium at Princeton University on Saturday, as accounts of the Israeli strikes were beginning to emerge.

“There is a mounting urgency to this effort as both the human and strategic costs grow,” he said.

Mr. Obama, in Costa Rica on Friday, all but ruled out placing American forces into Syria, which seemed to eliminate the option of parachuting in Special Forces to secure the 15 to 20 major chemical weapons sites. That has led to a more intense examination of offshore strikes, similar to those conducted by Israel, but aimed at the delivery vehicles for chemical weapons: missiles and aircraft.

On Sunday, a senior administration official said that “there are many options short of American boots on the ground, and there hasn’t been a lean in any particular direction to this point.”

“If there’s a decision to intervene, it’s pretty darn easy to suggest airstrikes if U.S. troops aren’t going to jump in to the conflict,” he added. “But the reality is that any number of options — to include airstrikes — would probably be combined with other measures if more direct engagement is where we’re heading. This isn’t exactly a pick-one-from-the-menu scenario.”

So far among the most reluctant members of the administration to intervene heavily in Syria has been Mr. Obama himself. He declined to arm the rebels last fall, despite urging from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the C.I.A. director at the time, David H. Petraeus.

On Sunday, Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, said he believed the administration was getting closer to a decision to provide lethal aid to the rebels.

“The idea of getting weapons in — if we know the right people to get them, my guess is we will give them to them,” Mr. Leahy said on the NBC program “Meet the Press.”


纽约时报:美国,英国,法国三国正讨论对叙利亚空袭的具体措施和时间。



http:     //cn.              nytimes.                    com/article/world/2013/05/06/c06syria/en/

Attacks Fuel Debate Over U.S.-Led Strikes

WASHINGTON — The apparent ease with which Israel struck missile sites and, by Syrian accounts, a major military research center near Damascus in recent days has stoked debate in Washington about whether American-led airstrikes are the logical next step to cripple President Bashar al-Assad’s ability to counter the rebel forces or use chemical weapons.

That option was already being debated in secret by the United States, Britain and France in the days leading to the Israeli strikes, according to American and foreign officials involved in the discussions. On Sunday, Senator John McCain, who has long advocated a much deeper American role in the Syrian civil war, argued that the Israeli attacks, at least one of which appears to have been launched from outside Syrian airspace, weakens the argument that Syria’s air defense system would be a major challenge.

“The Israelis seem to be able to penetrate it fairly easily,” Mr. McCain said on “Fox News Sunday.” He went on to say that the United States would be capable of disabling the Syrian air defenses on the ground “with cruise missiles, cratering their runways, where all of these supplies, by the way, from Iran and Russia are coming in by air.” Patriot missile batteries already installed in Turkey, he argued, could defend a safe zone to protect rebels and refugees.

The Pentagon developed such options months ago, but in recent weeks, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Central Command, which runs military operations in the Middle East, have been asked to refine them and explore how strikes would be coordinated with allies, much as they were in the opening days of the attacks on Libya that ultimately drove Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi from power, according to several senior administration officials.

But President Obama has been reluctant to follow the course he took in that case, aides say, partly because of concerns about the strength of air defenses in Syria and partly because the opposition forces include so many jihadist elements.

So far, Mr. Obama has said he would intervene only if it turned out that Syria had used chemical weapons — the current investigation into the use of sarin gas focuses on Aleppo and Damascus, the capital, in March — or if such use was imminent. Now, one adviser to Mr. Obama said, “it’s become pretty clear to everyone that Assad is calculating whether those weapons might save him.”

The result is that the narrow goal of preventing the use of chemical weapons is beginning to merge with the broader goals of toppling Mr. Assad and seeking an end to a carnage that is already far greater than what took place in Libya, when Mr. Obama justified American intervention on humanitarian grounds.

“We have to work even harder with our allies and the opposition to accelerate Assad’s exit while there is still a Syria to save,” William J. Burns, the deputy secretary of state, said at a symposium at Princeton University on Saturday, as accounts of the Israeli strikes were beginning to emerge.

“There is a mounting urgency to this effort as both the human and strategic costs grow,” he said.

Mr. Obama, in Costa Rica on Friday, all but ruled out placing American forces into Syria, which seemed to eliminate the option of parachuting in Special Forces to secure the 15 to 20 major chemical weapons sites. That has led to a more intense examination of offshore strikes, similar to those conducted by Israel, but aimed at the delivery vehicles for chemical weapons: missiles and aircraft.

On Sunday, a senior administration official said that “there are many options short of American boots on the ground, and there hasn’t been a lean in any particular direction to this point.”

“If there’s a decision to intervene, it’s pretty darn easy to suggest airstrikes if U.S. troops aren’t going to jump in to the conflict,” he added. “But the reality is that any number of options — to include airstrikes — would probably be combined with other measures if more direct engagement is where we’re heading. This isn’t exactly a pick-one-from-the-menu scenario.”

So far among the most reluctant members of the administration to intervene heavily in Syria has been Mr. Obama himself. He declined to arm the rebels last fall, despite urging from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the C.I.A. director at the time, David H. Petraeus.

On Sunday, Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, said he believed the administration was getting closer to a decision to provide lethal aid to the rebels.

“The idea of getting weapons in — if we know the right people to get them, my guess is we will give them to them,” Mr. Leahy said on the NBC program “Meet the Press.”
大毛,说好的防空导弹呢
连禁飞区都不搞了,直接空袭了。

看来我们也要直接登陆钓鱼岛了。
第3次世界大战?
自由军顶不住,只能自己亲自上了。目测金胖又要发飙
自由军顶不住了!!!!
赤裸裸的侵犯他国主权     怎么着也该强烈抗议一下吧
文章里怎么看出来”俄罗斯束手无策”和”中国沉默不语”了?!
自由军顶不住,只能自己亲自上了。目测金胖又要发飙
该波斯上阵了。

美国、英国和法国三国国旗都只有三种颜色组成:红白蓝
美国、英国和法国三国国旗都只有三种颜色组成:红白蓝
可惜东面不再只有红黄了。
Superbow 发表于 2013-5-7 15:56
文章里怎么看出来”俄罗斯束手无策”和”中国沉默不语”了?!
送导弹比说话顶用。
中国巴不得白皮们现在就动手
波斯上阵了
中央王国 发表于 2013-5-7 15:57
美国、英国和法国三国国旗都只有三种颜色组成:红白蓝
俄罗斯国旗也是
送机下乡
毛子可不是束手无策
毛子S300防空导弹不是玩具吧
医生可不是卡大佐,卡大佐跟几个流氓都闹翻了,最后只能用弹弓打飞机
医生作为毛子的铁杠小弟,搞点防空导弹问题不大
比较希望看到F22的处女秀,娘娘再不出来露露脸,就真要成为大龄老处女了
毛子束手无策那是不可能的
      最好现在就出手,叙利亚会成为第二个越南,这样可以直接将MD和欧盟彻底拖入战争的泥潭。
    冷战的历史一再证明:只要苏美中一方全力支持,任何一方挑起的战争或代理人战争都将是长期的、没有胜负的战争;而如果2方全力支持,另1方挑起的战争或代理人战争都是以失败告终。从朝鲜、越南、柬埔寨、阿富汗、也门、安哥拉、埃塞俄比亚,莫不如此。
    而南斯拉夫的失败由于TG的弱小和毛子没有支持而失败,这助长了欧美对自己武力的迷信,这10年TG的实力增长和毛子实力的回复,到了从新摊牌的时候了。
中央王国 发表于 2013-5-7 15:57
美国、英国和法国三国国旗都只有三种颜色组成:红白蓝
这个......好象俄罗斯也是吧。
从八国联军到叙利亚,到处可见你们的旗帜在别人的国土上空飘扬。 你们真是救(cao)世(ni)主(ma)!
  犹太人现在就来京,表明兔子已经得到了想要的,或者是得到了一些利益。
楼主近期好像很嗨皮啊。
莫非真如东方所说,中东要最暴力破局?
对于TB来说大力援助波斯就是对叙利亚最好的支持!
中国坚决不要出头,让他们掐,最好怂恿毛子出头去和他们干,等仗打完了,去收割胜利的果实就行了,如同在伊拉克和阿富汗所做的一样。
不管最后是谁夺得了叙利亚,最终都需要大量的资金、技术重建,需要大量的投资,这正好是中国可以提供的,也是新政府绝对无法拒绝的。
不作为的话就是等死,叙利亚完了,伊朗就完了,然后全世界就完了。
看朝鲜的态度,很清楚上头也是在准备反击的,只是暂时在那边没看到有什么动作。
该波斯上阵了。
tb已经撂话了:金胖随时再次核爆。按东方的说法,下次波斯和金胖会有某种联动
以色列人选择在内塔访华之际炸叙利亚。
F22这大龄老处女有机会出来秀下不?
送导弹比说话顶用。
谁承诺过要送导弹了 中国政府被代表了
代号狂风 发表于 2013-5-7 16:27
谁承诺过要送导弹了 中国政府被代表了
探狗说俄都出海军陆战队了,送个导弹很出奇吗?搞不好是第二次“抗美援朝”
俄罗斯已经正式出兵  探狗周五过来发图  看看自由军还能坚持几天  等着死无葬身之地吧
嗯~中国在沉默不语的捂着嘴笑~这点的确是可以肯定的!
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一眼望去,最多的颜色,恰好是红,白,蓝,绿,然后是黄。
重阳登高处 发表于 2013-5-7 16:19
以色列人选择在内塔访华之际炸叙利亚。
示威么?还是说让TG知道什么是“远水救不了近火”?
看来,英美法三国是要掳袖子开干了,大毛即将要和欧洲北约擦枪走火了,苏联时代没有发生的事看来即将发生啊。
中国真心管不了这么远,支持叙利亚主要是照顾俄罗斯的要求。
兔子腹黑,不说话很正常的。

不管明的暗的,这次不能再让西方阵营轻易得逞了,毛子最起码应该在军事装备上支持叙利亚。中国也应该进行声援,最起码要抗议西方干涉别国内政。让毛子和西方耗下去